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  1. #2421
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Duke also beat Delaware State 57-46 in the 2005 NCAAT. And NC A&T 79-69 in the 1981 NIT
    Ironically. & I have not seen a lot of Duke games in person..But I saw both of those games.

  2. #2422
    Quote Originally Posted by mattman91 View Post
    Most people would agree that tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars (usually debt) is not necessary to "prepare you for life". If you want to "interact with a variety of people" it is best to step outside of bubbles and interact with real world people. Duke is great and all, but the vast majority of students there come from very privileged backgrounds.
    I anticipate you can find a large number of people who agree with you – although I similarly anticipate that many Duke graduates would disagree.

    I am spending a crazy amount of money to send my daughter to UVA. But we made a decision that the life experience she will get at UVA justifies the cost. And that is what my parents concluded when they went into their savings to pay for me to go to Duke Law School (instead of my going for free to many other schools). So I did not go into debt, but my father did work a number of extra years to make it up. And when I offered to pay him back, he said no - just do it for your kids.

    Not everyone sees these experiences and the value of this education the same way. Which is fine – life is full of choices.

  3. #2423
    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyNotCrazie View Post
    The hundred thousand dollars (I went in the 90s) my parents spent on my Duke education was the best money they ever spent, and I am scrimping and saving to do the same thing for my children, who won't be going to college in a while. My time at Duke was a life changing experience, and not just because of basketball. I met friends from all over the world who are now doing fascinating things all over the world. I gained from learning about their experiences, and they gained from mine. My Duke experience did not specifically prepare me for my career, but it gave me the tools to think and analyze and quickly learn the details of my career. I have spent most of my career in roles where I dealt with people of a wide variety of backgrounds - geographically, ethnically, racially, socio-economically. I do agree that Duke is a bubble (though less so now than it used to be) but it is also a place full of really smart, interesting people who provoke each other to think. Some people treat it as a four year party, but others seize on what it offers.

    Different people choose to spend their time and money in different ways. For me and my family, college at Duke or a school like Duke was a top priority. I respect the decision of others to prioritize differently - that is what makes the world an interesting place.
    I likewise believe that the value of my Duke experience -- lessons learned both inside and outside the classroom, from fellow students and faculty members, by reading classic books in the library and comic books at Bat's -- was incalculable. It altered the entire trajectory of my life, and that of my family for generations to come. As the first to attend college from a relatively poor family in a small tobacco market town, I was only able to achieve that goal with the help of grants-in-aid from Duke, and student loans, and multiple jobs during every summer and Christmas break, and substantial personal sacrifices by members of my family. But thanks to the education I received, my life was not only enriched in countless ways, but I was able to repay those debts and, best of all, was fortunate enough to provide both of our children the priceless gift of a Duke experience, the shared benefits of which we all continue to enjoy and appreciate with each passing day.

    Over the years, many friends -- usually with children in high school who are trying to choose between a large state school and selective admission private school like Duke -- have asked me whether a Duke degree is really worth the difference in cost. I always tell them that a motivated student can get a good education at any college; but to reap the benefits of a truly enriching college experience, they have to work at it, meaning that they need to actively seek out the best teachers, and reach out beyond their familiar circle of friends from "back home" to interact with peers who can introduce them to different backgrounds and cultural influences. At a school like Duke, a student can obtain a great education almost by osmosis; and unless the student deliberately avoids it, exposure to a diversity of people who bring different experiences to the table -- which not only helps to expand your immediate horizons, but stimulates an interest in continuing to learn that lasts throughout a lifetime -- is a regular feature of daily life on campus. That said, it's clear that even for those young people who might benefit most from a small college environment, Duke is not for everyone.

  4. #2424
    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Gator View Post
    I likewise believe that the value of my Duke experience -- lessons learned both inside and outside the classroom, from fellow students and faculty members, by reading classic books in the library and comic books at Bat's -- was incalculable. It altered the entire trajectory of my life, and that of my family for generations to come. As the first to attend college from a relatively poor family in a small tobacco market town, I was only able to achieve that goal with the help of grants-in-aid from Duke, and student loans, and multiple jobs during every summer and Christmas break, and substantial personal sacrifices by members of my family. But thanks to the education I received, my life was not only enriched in countless ways, but I was able to repay those debts and, best of all, was fortunate enough to provide both of our children the priceless gift of a Duke experience, the shared benefits of which we all continue to enjoy and appreciate with each passing day.

    Over the years, many friends -- usually with children in high school who are trying to choose between a large state school and selective admission private school like Duke -- have asked me whether a Duke degree is really worth the difference in cost. I always tell them that a motivated student can get a good education at any college; but to reap the benefits of a truly enriching college experience, they have to work at it, meaning that they need to actively seek out the best teachers, and reach out beyond their familiar circle of friends from "back home" to interact with peers who can introduce them to different backgrounds and cultural influences. At a school like Duke, a student can obtain a great education almost by osmosis; and unless the student deliberately avoids it, exposure to a diversity of people who bring different experiences to the table -- which not only helps to expand your immediate horizons, but stimulates an interest in continuing to learn that lasts throughout a lifetime -- is a regular feature of daily life on campus. That said, it's clear that even for those young people who might benefit most from a small college environment, Duke is not for everyone.
    Wonderfully said.

  5. #2425
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    Quote Originally Posted by accfanfrom1970 View Post
    Wow. I went from undergrad to grad school back to back. The real education was going to school in Harrisonburg VA, and then Philadelphia PA. Your journey sounds like my dad’s. GI Bill?
    Both my degrees were earned while on active duty. Night school.
    Bob Green
    DBR Survivor Football Champion
    2010 & 2016

  6. #2426
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Green View Post
    Both my degrees were earned while on active duty. Night school.
    Respect.

  7. #2427
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Respect.
    Yes.

  8. #2428
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    Quote Originally Posted by accfanfrom1970 View Post
    Yes.
    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Respect.
    Thank you!
    Bob Green
    DBR Survivor Football Champion
    2010 & 2016

  9. #2429
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    Steamboat Springs, CO
    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Gator View Post
    I likewise believe that the value of my Duke experience -- lessons learned both inside and outside the classroom, from fellow students and faculty members, by reading classic books in the library and comic books at Bat's -- was incalculable. It altered the entire trajectory of my life, and that of my family for generations to come. As the first to attend college from a relatively poor family in a small tobacco market town, I was only able to achieve that goal with the help of grants-in-aid from Duke, and student loans, and multiple jobs during every summer and Christmas break, and substantial personal sacrifices by members of my family. But thanks to the education I received, my life was not only enriched in countless ways, but I was able to repay those debts and, best of all, was fortunate enough to provide both of our children the priceless gift of a Duke experience, the shared benefits of which we all continue to enjoy and appreciate with each passing day.

    Over the years, many friends -- usually with children in high school who are trying to choose between a large state school and selective admission private school like Duke -- have asked me whether a Duke degree is really worth the difference in cost. I always tell them that a motivated student can get a good education at any college; but to reap the benefits of a truly enriching college experience, they have to work at it, meaning that they need to actively seek out the best teachers, and reach out beyond their familiar circle of friends from "back home" to interact with peers who can introduce them to different backgrounds and cultural influences. At a school like Duke, a student can obtain a great education almost by osmosis; and unless the student deliberately avoids it, exposure to a diversity of people who bring different experiences to the table -- which not only helps to expand your immediate horizons, but stimulates an interest in continuing to learn that lasts throughout a lifetime -- is a regular feature of daily life on campus. That said, it's clear that even for those young people who might benefit most from a small college environment, Duke is not for everyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by 1991 duke law View Post
    Wonderfully said.
    Go to a really good school with outstanding faculty and, almost as important -- smart, ambitious and nice fellow students. Live in a campus environment, which, while hard to believe, really is an education in itself -- different people, diverse backgrounds, and unusual ideas about the world. Most importantly, it will not be a continuation of family dinners and high schools friends. It is also important to keep in touch with graduates and faculty after high school, which will be good both personally and professionally. Sometimes we have to recycle our professional path, and it is rewarding to have friends to rely on for support and ideas.
    Sage Grouse

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    'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013

  10. #2430
    Quote Originally Posted by mattman91 View Post
    Most people would agree that tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars (usually debt) is not necessary to "prepare you for life". If you want to "interact with a variety of people" it is best to step outside of bubbles and interact with real world people. Duke is great and all, but the vast majority of students there come from very privileged backgrounds.
    I think the statement in your message that I've highlighted may require some minor qualification -- specifically, it depends on how you define "very privileged backgrounds." Currently, 49% of all Duke undergraduates receive financial aid in some form and amount. So to the extent that "very privileged" might be interpreted by readers to mean "wealthy enough to afford a Duke education," it wouldn't be accurate to say that a "vast majority" of Duke students fall into that category. But if you mean "privileged" in a broader sense, to include people from families who have not suffered what could fairly be characterized as social and economic hardships, then it's probably true that most Duke students fit that description.

    I doubt anyone here would seriously dispute that Duke students, perhaps to a greater degree than those on most college campuses, live in an unusually idyllic environment that is largely insulated from what we would regard as "the real world." But there are plenty of students at Duke from non-privileged backgrounds who bring with them a diversity of "real world" experiences, the benefits of which they are capable of conveying to those fellow students who interact with them. In short, I agree that's there no substitute for the hard lessons to be learned from living in the real world; but that's not what college is supposed to be. College generally, and Duke in particular, helps to prepare young people for life in other ways -- ways that can't be measured solely by professional success, but that evolve and manifest throughout one's lifetime in various forms of personal satisfaction. I know very few of my fellow alumni who wouldn't reaffirm that the preparation they received was well worth the investment of time and money.

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