Who's Leaving - Duke 2018

[SoCalDukeFan]

Since the Kansas game post-game thread has a lot of OAD stuff, I thought I would start a thread on whose leaving.

Grayson for sure.

I would assume Wendell and Marvin. NBADraft.net has them 2 and 7. They also look like NBA players to me.

Travon and Gary are projected for the first round. Personally I think they both are not ready.

Marquez is not listed. I think he will be a good NBA player someday. Hope he comes back.

Its silly to me for a player to leave for the NBA because he will not much playing time at Duke next year.

SoCa;

[UrinalCake]

I would assume Trevon is more likely to go than Gary. His game is more suited to the pros, he’s going to measure well at the combine, and he just seems like a player who was planning to leave after a year regardless. I would love to have him back but I am not counting on it.

I’m still holding out hope that Gary comes back. I think he was projected in the 40’s in a recent mock, and while he has good size he does not have elite athleticism and is such a streaky shooter. He is almost exclusively a spot up shooter, he hasn’t developed a catch and shoot, he has limited handles, and he is extremely poor finishing at the rim. He also gets very few assists. Basically I think he has a lot to work on.

Bolden made great strides late in the season and would have the post to himself after sharing it with two future lottery picks. I could see him putting his name in and going through the evaluation process, and once a player does that then all bets are off.

[gwlaw99]

Here is a list of almost every mock draft. Gary and Trevon are not in every one in the first round. So the big questions is, if neither is told they will be drafted in the first round, will they go?

http://www.letsgoredskins.com/NBAMocks.htm

[sagegrouse]

Sorry, but I guess I am grumpy today. (Why would that be?)

You shoudln't title the thread or your post, "Whose Leaving." It's "Who Is Leaving?" or "Who's Leaving?"

[SoCalDukeFan]

Sorry, but I guess I am grumpy today. (Why would that be?)

You shoudln't title the thread or your post, "Whose Leaving." It's "Who Is Leaving?" or "Who's Leaving?"

Thanks

I should not post after self medicating to get over tough losses.

SoCal

[MChambers]

Sorry, but I guess I am grumpy today. (Why would that be?)

You shoudln't title the thread or your post, "Whose Leaving." It's "Who Is Leaving?" or "Who's Leaving?"

Isn't it "Who's On First" or "Whose On First'?

[uh_no]

Isn't it "Who's On First" or "Whose On First'?

no, it's always "who's on first" consider

"what is the name of the guy who plays first base"
"who"

[devildeac]

no, it's always "who's on first" consider

"what is the name of the guy who plays first base"
"who"

"Oh, no, no. What is on second base."

[DU82]

"Oh, no, no. What is on second base."

You know, I don't care!

[BlueDevilBrowns]

Well here’s the conundrum of recruiting multiple top 10 prospects year after year:

If Duval and Trent stay next year, do they even start?

Gary maybe would, but Trey Jones is our starting PG next year, Duval or no Duval.

And that’s not a knock on Duval and Trent - it’s just that next years guys are that good.

I actually think Gary would be a huge weapon for us next year, in the JJ Redick 2004 mode, as outside shooting will be hard to find outside of AOC.

In a perfect world, Duval realizes he needs more seasoning and stays two more years while Trent stays next year to work on his handle, defense, and passing.

But the reality is both are likely gone, imo.

[Ian]

Yup, when you recruit 4 top 10 players for next year, you are essential pushing players out the door even if they might benefit from coming back. That option is more or less removed from Trent or Duval regardless of their draft status. Even if they are 2nd rounders, they pretty much have to go.

[DukieTiger]

Well here’s the conundrum of recruiting multiple top 10 prospects year after year:

If Duval and Trent stay next year, do they even start?

Gary maybe would, but Trey Jones is our starting PG next year, Duval or no Duval.

And that’s not a knock on Duval and Trent - it’s just that next years guys are that good.

I actually think Gary would be a huge weapon for us next year, in the JJ Redick 2004 mode, as outside shooting will be hard to find outside of AOC.

In a perfect world, Duval realizes he needs more seasoning and stays two more years while Trent stays next year to work on his handle, defense, and passing.

But the reality is both are likely gone, imo.

My dream staring lineup for next year is Jones, Trent, Barrett, Reddish, Zion - I share that not to get a jump on the 2019 lineup/minutes thread, but to say that I think next year’s roster has the positional flexibility to find a place for GT. I think Duval is gone, so I’m not worried about finding a spot for him. But I have the slightest hope that Gary does decide to return, because I think he’d be the leader on next year’s team.

[jipops]

Well here’s the conundrum of recruiting multiple top 10 prospects year after year:

If Duval and Trent stay next year, do they even start?

Gary maybe would, but Trey Jones is our starting PG next year, Duval or no Duval.

And that’s not a knock on Duval and Trent - it’s just that next years guys are that good.

I actually think Gary would be a huge weapon for us next year, in the JJ Redick 2004 mode, as outside shooting will be hard to find outside of AOC.

In a perfect world, Duval realizes he needs more seasoning and stays two more years while Trent stays next year to work on his handle, defense, and passing.

But the reality is both are likely gone, imo.

I think the only real question mark here is Bolden. The four freshmen are a sure thing to bolt. Marques is an interesting case though. He's had a few injury issues in his two years and his play has been very limited along with that. I also think K has never felt comfortable giving him extended minutes for a variety of reasons, one of which is that K will habitually keep is rotation short and ride his starters to the bitter end. So Marques has occasionally shown some decent moves yet also has looked a little over matched at times. He may just decide on giving it a go anyways just by virtue of being a 6-11 guy who got some hype out of high school and played for Duke. 2 years ago, I'm sure he thought he would be gone by this point. It's a risk for him either way. Go now and get picked up in the 2nd round working the D league for a few years trying to make a team... OR... come back and risk injury thereby taking him off the draft boards once again as a junior... OR... come back and be the lone focal point in the post for a team loaded with perimeter guys, show effectiveness on both ends, and impress just enough scouts to get his name somewhere near the 1st round board.

I think Duke will be a much better team with Marques in the post next season. He's not going to be a major focal point in the offense but he'll get a ton of burn and provide some desperately needed rebounding. Without him, Duke will basically be like the '13-'14 team that is forced to use a small forward at center. We'd put some points on the board but defense would be a huge struggle.

[BlueDevilBrowns]

I think the only real question mark here is Bolden. The four freshmen are a sure thing to bolt. Marques is an interesting case though. He's had a few injury issues in his two years and his play has been very limited along with that. I also think K has never felt comfortable giving him extended minutes for a variety of reasons, one of which is that K will habitually keep is rotation short and ride his starters to the bitter end. So Marques has occasionally shown some decent moves yet also has looked a little over matched at times. He may just decide on giving it a go anyways just by virtue of being a 6-11 guy who got some hype out of high school and played for Duke. 2 years ago, I'm sure he thought he would be gone by this point. It's a risk for him either way. Go now and get picked up in the 2nd round working the D league for a few years trying to make a team... OR... come back and risk injury thereby taking him off the draft boards once again as a junior... OR... come back and be the lone focal point in the post for a team loaded with perimeter guys, show effectiveness on both ends, and impress just enough scouts to get his name somewhere near the 1st round board.

I think Duke will be a much better team with Marques in the post next season. He's not going to be a major focal point in the offense but he'll get a ton of burn and provide some desperately needed rebounding. Without him, Duke will basically be like the '13-'14 team that is forced to use a small forward at center. We'd put some points on the board but defense would be a huge struggle.

No doubt about Bolden’s impact next year. Potentially huge for him.

Much like MP2 returning for his Senior year, I hope Marques sees how he can really better position his pro career by being more of a focal point next year.

... And your mention of the playing style of the 2014 squad made me shutter.

[Nugget]

I think the only real question mark here is Bolden. The four freshmen are a sure thing to bolt. Marques is an interesting case though. He's had a few injury issues in his two years and his play has been very limited along with that. I also think K has never felt comfortable giving him extended minutes for a variety of reasons, one of which is that K will habitually keep is rotation short and ride his starters to the bitter end. So Marques has occasionally shown some decent moves yet also has looked a little over matched at times. He may just decide on giving it a go anyways just by virtue of being a 6-11 guy who got some hype out of high school and played for Duke. 2 years ago, I'm sure he thought he would be gone by this point. It's a risk for him either way. Go now and get picked up in the 2nd round working the D league for a few years trying to make a team... OR... come back and risk injury thereby taking him off the draft boards once again as a junior... OR... come back and be the lone focal point in the post for a team loaded with perimeter guys, show effectiveness on both ends, and impress just enough scouts to get his name somewhere near the 1st round board.

I think Duke will be a much better team with Marques in the post next season. He's not going to be a major focal point in the offense but he'll get a ton of burn and provide some desperately needed rebounding. Without him, Duke will basically be like the '13-'14 team that is forced to use a small forward at center. We'd put some points on the board but defense would be a huge struggle.

Bolden isn't remotely a draft prospect this year. If he goes, it's to the G league or Turkey. Seems a no-brainer decision to me to come back, hopefully be fully healthy and start at C next year for a team that should be able to space the floor better.

Trent really ought to come back, but I see almost zero chance of that.

[kAzE]

Of the starters, I think only Gary is possibly coming back. But it wouldn't be surprising at all if the entire starting lineup leaves for the NBA. Trevon seems like a Dejounte Murray type player, and should get drafted late first round based on his incredible measurables. I think Gary would go early in the 2nd round, like Frank Jackson. I believe Bolden will return. He's showed a lot of improvement since his freshman year, but I think he needs one more year.

If Gary comes back, he's starting and he's probably a captain. I would not be surprised at all if we went with a Zion/Cam/Trent/Barrett/Jones starting lineup. That squad would run and gun like nothing we've ever seen on a Duke team before.

If Gary leaves, We would be more of a half court team with Bolden at center. Personally, I'm not sure if Bolden will be ready for 30+ minutes a game next year, but if he is, he'll be a monster.

[weezie]

...I believe Bolden will return. He's showed a lot of improvement since his freshman year, but I think he needs one more year...Personally, I'm not sure if Bolden will be ready for 30+ minutes a game next year, but if he is, he'll be a monster.

I think he's due to stay because he's not 100% yet. That brace isn't just for decoration. Another year of strength and hardening and lateral moving improvement might push him into the top 15.
I wonder if he has the court personality of a monster, I see him more as a finesse guy. He'll be working on the outlet passes this summer wherever he is.

And PS, NOW what am I going to do every morning when it's time to check in at DBR? Ugh, trudge to work and workouts?

[AtlDuke72]

[QUOTE=weezie;1059143]I think he's due to stay because he's not 100% yet. That brace isn't just for decoration. Another year of strength and hardening and lateral moving improvement might push him into the top 15.
I wonder if he has the court personality of a monster, I see him more as a finesse guy. He'll be working on the outlet passes this summer wherever he is.


Bolden seems like a good team player and I am rooting for him. Having said that, I am baffled by all of the comments for the last two years that imply he will be a top NBA pick or a "monster" if he works hard this summer and plays at Duke next year. I have seen a few good moments and that is about it. He missed two very short shots last night and then sat on the bench. Coach K played him very limited minutes and played Javin ahead of him last night and at the end of the game. I cannot see an NBA team drafting him. I think he should stay and prove himself if he is really that good. Doing so could make him a great deal of money .

[53n206]

I think he's due to stay because he's not 100% yet. That brace isn't just for decoration. Another year of strength and hardening and lateral moving improvement might push him into the top 15.
I wonder if he has the court personality of a monster, I see him more as a finesse guy. He'll be working on the outlet passes this summer wherever he is.

And PS, NOW what am I going to do every morning when it's time to check in at DBR? Ugh, trudge to work and workouts?

Weezie:
I too wonder what I will do. Trading futures gives me some consolation--except when I'm down. No big down days lately, except when our Devils lose. Oh well. Next year.

[Steven43]

I actually think Gary would be a huge weapon for us next year, in the JJ Redick 2004 mode, as outside shooting will be hard to find outside of AOC.

In a perfect world, Duval realizes he needs more seasoning and stays two more years while Trent stays next year to work on his handle, defense, and passing.

But the reality is both are likely gone, imo.

Wait, what?! Did you really just compare Trent’s outside shot to that of JJ? Trent’s is not in the same zip code. I mean, sure, I hope he comes back, but JJ he is not.

And I would love to see Duval come back for two more years. Heck, one more year would be great. I can’t imagine he would be high on NBA lists. He is very athletic, but a below average shooter. And it’s a shooters league. From what I’ve seen of guards over the years if they are not a good shooter on the college level they certainly are not on the NBA level.