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  1. #1121
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    Girard may be the best known recruit ever who was not ranked in the top 100 (he's not even in the top 150). I'm trying to think of a comparison but coming up with nothing. I thought about Tamir Goodman, but he was actually ranked in the top 50 (though that ranking was totally undeserved).
    Why are you wasting time here when you could be wasting it by listening to the latest episode of the DBR Podcast?

  2. #1122
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Girard may be the best known recruit ever who was not ranked in the top 100 (he's not even in the top 150). I'm trying to think of a comparison but coming up with nothing. I thought about Tamir Goodman, but he was actually ranked in the top 50 (though that ranking was totally undeserved).
    someone who comes to mind is oleg czyz. i can't remember his ranking out of high school, but he got a lot of attention for his dunking. similar to girard for his shooting

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Girard may be the best known recruit ever who was not ranked in the top 100 (he's not even in the top 150). I'm trying to think of a comparison but coming up with nothing. I thought about Tamir Goodman, but he was actually ranked in the top 50 (though that ranking was totally undeserved).
    I am coming up empty as well.

    It seems to me that Girard was tabbed as a knockdown shooter at a small-town school and people thought he may blow up a la Luke Kennard. Unfortunately, as soon as Girard was turned loose against top-tier competition, he struggled mightily and totally blew up his buzz/ranking. At least that's my perception of how the situation unfolded.

    That said, he may turn out to be a nice piece. I fully expect him to have a 4-year career at Syracuse as a hard-nosed, pesky guard, culminating in a major role as a senior and/or junior. Albeit, with no likely NBA future.

    Good luck to him and Syracuse.

    - Chillin

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Girard may be the best known recruit ever who was not ranked in the top 100 (he's not even in the top 150). I'm trying to think of a comparison but coming up with nothing. I thought about Tamir Goodman, but he was actually ranked in the top 50 (though that ranking was totally undeserved).
    Could be a Jimmer Fredette analogy here...Fredette was ranked only as the 71st best guard - meaning he was clearly out of the top 100 over all. Had a great college career, bombed in the NBA, playing overseas now...I think in China.

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    Not sure if folks had noticed, but many of the so-called experts have flipped their picks in the past few days on Isaiah Stewart from Duke and Kentucky to Michigan State. Among the flippers is one of the Devils Den pickers, Chad Lykins.

    Stewart took his official to Syracuse over the weekend. Folks there are convinced his dad wants him to stay close to home (Stewart is from Rochester, NY) so they think he will pick them. He's already taken officials to Washington and Kentucky and everyone says he is going to take one to Duke. With so many folks saying he is now a Mich State lean, it would seem they are going to get the 5th (the NCAA only allows 5) visit.

    -Jason "until the kid has taken his visit, we don't know nothing" Evans
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  6. #1126
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereBeforeCoachK View Post
    Could be a Jimmer Fredette analogy here...Fredette was ranked only as the 71st best guard - meaning he was clearly out of the top 100 over all. Had a great college career, bombed in the NBA, playing overseas now...I think in China.
    To be clear, there have been a ton of lightly recruited players who turned out to be absolute studs in college and the pros. There are examples of this nearly every season. I mean, Steph Curry was the #256 recruit in the country according to 247. His career went fairly well

    I was talking about guys who had generated a lot of buzz and attention and headlines in their recruiting who were just not that highly ranked or thought of as a recruit. It happens sometimes with the sons of celebrities and former players** but Girard is none of that. I just think it is interesting. I mean, when was the last time Duke even offered a kid ranked this low other than a last minute, late recruit who was filling some emergency gap?

    ** - Snoop Dog's son is a good example of this. He attracted a lot of attention considering he was the #222 recruit in football, though top 250 in football is a much bigger deal than top 100 in basketball because there are so many players who play in football.

    -Jason "Jimmer is in China and is beloved there. He averages like 37ppg and was league MVP or something like that" Evans
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  7. #1127
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Girard may be the best known recruit ever who was not ranked in the top 100 (he's not even in the top 150). I'm trying to think of a comparison but coming up with nothing. I thought about Tamir Goodman, but he was actually ranked in the top 50 (though that ranking was totally undeserved).
    Tamir Goodman - that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. A long time.

    Looks like he's living his best life though: https://twitter.com/TamirGoodman/sta...96465492381696

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    Quote Originally Posted by plimnko View Post
    someone who comes to mind is oleg czyz. i can't remember his ranking out of high school, but he got a lot of attention for his dunking. similar to girard for his shooting
    Olek Czyz was the consensus No. 66 player in the h.s. class of 2008, ranked ahead of Miles Plumlee, at 81.

    He left Duke for Nevada. The Reno one, not the Las Vegas one. He was first team All-WAC in 2012, after averaging 13.8 ppg and 6.5 rpg.

    So, I'm not sure the Girard comparisons hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty_B View Post
    Tamir Goodman - that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. A long time.

    Looks like he's living his best life though: https://twitter.com/TamirGoodman/sta...96465492381696
    Good for him! They look like a very happy couple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty_B View Post
    Tamir Goodman - that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. A long time.

    Looks like he's living his best life though: https://twitter.com/TamirGoodman/sta...96465492381696
    What was most unusual about Tamir -- and attracted a ton on notice -- is that he refused to play during the Sabbath, sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. All the same, Gary Williams offered him a scholarship at Maryland. The Gary had second thoughts and rescinded the offer. He ended playing a year plus at Towson, and I can't remember what happened next.

    Although, judging from his picture with his wife, some things turned out well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
    What was most unusual about Tamir -- and attracted a ton on notice -- is that he refused to play during the Sabbath, sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. All the same, Gary Williams offered him a scholarship at Maryland. The Gary had second thoughts and rescinded the offer. He ended playing a year plus at Towson, and I can't remember what happened next.

    Although, judging from his picture with his wife, some things turned out well.
    I only know this because I looked at his Wiki earlier but things did not turn out well at Towson:

    "Goodman continued at Towson for his sophomore campaign until December 2001, when Goodman filed a complaint that the newly hired coach allegedly assaulted him. Goodman then fulfilled a dream of his by moving to Israel and signing a 3-year contract with Maccabi Tel Aviv on July 22, 2002."

    Fortunately all looks well now.

    Olek Czyz also living his best life: https://twitter.com/olekczyz/status/1045900897916612608

  12. #1132
    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Not sure if folks had noticed, but many of the so-called experts have flipped their picks in the past few days on Isaiah Stewart from Duke and Kentucky to Michigan State. Among the flippers is one of the Devils Den pickers, Chad Lykins.

    Stewart took his official to Syracuse over the weekend. Folks there are convinced his dad wants him to stay close to home (Stewart is from Rochester, NY) so they think he will pick them. He's already taken officials to Washington and Kentucky and everyone says he is going to take one to Duke. With so many folks saying he is now a Mich State lean, it would seem they are going to get the 5th (the NCAA only allows 5) visit.

    -Jason "until the kid has taken his visit, we don't know nothing" Evans
    Nope. Players can now take 15 (!!) official visits as of August 15 following the recommendation of the basketball committee. Although those 15 have to spread out between prior to the end of junior year (5), senior year (5) and after graduation (5), so not sure when Stewart's official visits have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty_B View Post
    I only know this because I looked at his Wiki earlier but things did not turn out well at Towson
    I was fiercely rooting for Tamir Goodman to just destroy for Towson and show Maryland they were horrible for not letting "the Jewish Jordan" play on their team. Sadly, it appears his recruiting ranking was the product of hype, not skill. Tamir averaged 6 points, 4 assists, and 2.5 rebounds per game as a freshman at Towson.

    Let's be clear -- the competition at Towson was not exactly top tier D1 kinda stuff. Putting up those numbers tells me he would not have been anything close to a rotation player at Maryland.

    As others have noted, he played professionally in Israel, but never with much success. He could not get playing time in the first or second division of Israeli basketball. He played a couple seasons for a third division team but never averaged better than 2 points per game.

    --Jason "we have totally sidetracked from my original question... can anyone name a lightly regarded recruiting prospect who generated the kind of attention Joe Girard has?" Evans
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    --Jason "we have totally sidetracked from my original question... can anyone name a lightly regarded recruiting prospect who generated the kind of attention Joe Girard has?" Evans
    Does LiAngelo Ball count?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Jason "Jimmer is in China and is beloved there. He averages like 37ppg and was league MVP or something like that" Evans
    Jimmer just scored 41 points in a preseason exhibition game against the Rockets. Even if it was Harden guarding him, that is impressive. Would love to see him find his way back to the league, though I doubt that will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post

    --Jason "we have totally sidetracked from my original question... can anyone name a lightly regarded recruiting prospect who generated the kind of attention Joe Girard has?" Evans
    I'm stretching here, but there have been some lower ranked guys that we have gone after late in the cycle who have gotten some attention. I'm not sure what you would consider Carrick Felix's ranking to be since we were recruiting him from a Juco but there was briefly a ton of buzz about him.

  17. #1137
    Quote Originally Posted by UrinalCake View Post
    Jimmer just scored 41 points in a preseason exhibition game against the Rockets. Even if it was Harden guarding him, that is impressive. Would love to see him find his way back to the league, though I doubt that will happen.
    He took 39 shots to get those points. Not exactly JJ v. Texas sort of efficiency there.

  18. #1138
    Quote Originally Posted by ChillinDuke View Post

    That said, he may turn out to be a nice piece. I fully expect him to have a 4-year career at Syracuse as a hard-nosed, pesky guard, culminating in a major role as a senior and/or junior.

    - Chillin
    and have his career games vs duke.

  19. #1139
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    To be clear, there have been a ton of lightly recruited players who turned out to be absolute studs in college and the pros. There are examples of this nearly every season. I mean, Steph Curry was the #256 recruit in the country according to 247. His career went fairly well

    I was talking about guys who had generated a lot of buzz and attention and headlines in their recruiting who were just not that highly ranked or thought of as a recruit. It happens sometimes with the sons of celebrities and former players** but Girard is none of that. I just think it is interesting. I mean, when was the last time Duke even offered a kid ranked this low other than a last minute, late recruit who was filling some emergency gap?

    ** - Snoop Dog's son is a good example of this. He attracted a lot of attention considering he was the #222 recruit in football, though top 250 in football is a much bigger deal than top 100 in basketball because there are so many players who play in football.

    -Jason "Jimmer is in China and is beloved there. He averages like 37ppg and was league MVP or something like that" Evans
    Mac McClung (not in top 100 RSCI, not in ESPN100, not in Rivals top 150, #245 on 247Sports) has generated more attention than Joe Girard.

    See:

    Recent article on The Undefeated: https://theundefeated.com/features/g...mic-and-white/

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    SLAM highlight video from this summer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3euWbXOHd8E
    Last edited by El_Diablo; 10-15-2018 at 06:30 PM.

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    I don't know how McClung wasn't top 100. That dude can ball.

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