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    Long Strange Trip

    Just finished the 4 hour documentary about the Grateful Dead on Amazon Video. I thought it was great, but happy Amazon has it divided into a series.

    The music was awesome, with some of my favorite Dead songs. The video brought back great memories of my youth - I was never a DeadHead, in the true sense of the word, but saw them twice, once at Cameron, once in Charlotte.

    Really well done. Rotten Tomatoes gives it 100%. IMDB 8.2

    ~rthomas

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    Quote Originally Posted by rthomas View Post
    Just finished the 4 hour documentary about the Grateful Dead on Amazon Video. I thought it was great, but happy Amazon has it divided into a series.

    The music was awesome, with some of my favorite Dead songs. The video brought back great memories of my youth - I was never a DeadHead, in the true sense of the word, but saw them twice, once at Cameron, once in Charlotte.

    Really well done. Rotten Tomatoes gives it 100%. IMDB 8.2

    Well if you like that, you might like this. Spoiler alert: Garcia does a windmill or two near the end.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlwMmfLIkVE

    Howard

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    They're a band beyond description...
    Like Jehovah's favorite choir....

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    Jerry Garcia was a true musical genius capable of incredible performances. On those rare occasions, when everything came into alignment, The Grateful Dead were purely amazing. The rest of the time, we road tripped across America chasing the sound. What a long strange trip it was!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey View Post
    The rest of the time, we road tripped across America chasing the sound. What a long strange trip it was!
    Well, not just America. I saw about 10 shows on the Europe 1990 tour as well. For weeks I had this strong feeling they would play Johnny B. Goode in Berlin, as I could not think of anything more appropriate. Nope, but still some excellent shows.

    Howard

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardlander View Post
    Well, not just America. I saw about 10 shows on the Europe 1990 tour as well. For weeks I had this strong feeling they would play Johnny B. Goode in Berlin, as I could not think of anything more appropriate. Nope, but still some excellent shows.

    Howard
    True, there was the occasional international tour. I chose to stay home and catch the most shows possible per dollar and time off. I definitely lacked green during six years of college.

    The boys hardly ever played the appropriate location tune (no Terrapin @ U. of MD, no Dixie in Richmond, etc.). However, they did seem to breakout tunes at preferred locations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey View Post
    The boys hardly ever played the appropriate location tune (no Terrapin @ U. of MD, no Dixie in Richmond, etc.). However, they did seem to breakout tunes at preferred locations.
    One of the last shows of that Europe tour (maybe the last show?) was in London on Halloween and they did play Werewolves of London. But if i remember correctly Garcia's voice was shot and he basically croaked his way through. So half a mark at best

    Hiward

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardlander View Post
    One of the last shows of that Europe tour (maybe the last show?) was in London on Halloween and they did play Werewolves of London. But if i remember correctly Garcia's voice was shot and he basically croaked his way through. So half a mark at best

    Hiward
    Yep, I prefer the Red Rocks version.

    IMO, the boys peaked, the last time, with Brent. I loved every show I saw from the summer of 1988 through the summer of 1990. Brent was very good for Jerry.
    Last edited by Jeffrey; 07-06-2017 at 03:39 PM. Reason: multi-tasking

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    I always meant to see a Dead show purely for the spectacle but honestly never understood the attraction to their music. Listening to them fart around playing a 5 minute tune for 20 minutes doesn't apeal to me at all. Same goes for Wide Spread Panic and Phish. Just not my thing. Ian McLagan said it best:

    http://www.npr.org/2014/12/05/368737...st-ian-mclagan

    "MCLAGAN: Well, I didn't actually decline the chance - it was a chance, I wasn't given the gig. A friend of mine, who was a friend of Jerry Garcia's said they're looking for a - their current keyboard player has died and they're looking for someone else. He said you could - you want to - they want you to play to a tape and submit it, you know? And he said you'd make a quarter of a million a year, you know? You could live anywhere you want, blah, blah, blah. And I was actually on vacation at the time in San Diego with my wife and our dogs. And I went out and bought a Grateful Dead CD. And my wife went out to do some shopping and came back to the hotel room and I was sitting in a blue funk in a brown study in a green swarm of hell and she said what's the matter? I said I can't play this music, it sucks. I mean, just my personal taste, I couldn't - didn't understand it, didn't get it, you know, still don't really. I mean, I know they make a lot of money; they got a lots of fans. Sorry if I've upset anyone but, you know?

    DAVIES: Wasn't your cup of tea?

    MCLAGAN: Wasn't my cup of tea. No more than Phish or that jam band. That's so tediously boring. But, you know, I like a tune. I like a tune and a singer and a solo and now more of the tune. You know, I just couldn't even do it, you know?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusland View Post

    "MCLAGAN: Well, I didn't actually decline the chance - it was a chance, I wasn't given the gig. A friend of mine, who was a friend of Jerry Garcia's said they're looking for a - their current keyboard player has died and they're looking for someone else. He said you could - you want to - they want you to play to a tape and submit it, you know? And he said you'd make a quarter of a million a year, you know? You could live anywhere you want, blah, blah, blah. And I was actually on vacation at the time in San Diego with my wife and our dogs. And I went out and bought a Grateful Dead CD. And my wife went out to do some shopping and came back to the hotel room and I was sitting in a blue funk in a brown study in a green swarm of hell and she said what's the matter? I said I can't play this music, it sucks. I mean, just my personal taste, I couldn't - didn't understand it, didn't get it, you know, still don't really. I mean, I know they make a lot of money; they got a lots of fans. Sorry if I've upset anyone but, you know?
    Yesiree, this was the devastating approach to replacing a vital band member (Brent). In 1990, The Grateful Dead were playing exceptionally well and grossing more than $30 million in annual ticket sales. Sadly, the band members did not want to be bothered finding an appropriate replacement for Brent. IMO, Bruce Hornsby was a blessing and a curse when he kindly volunteered to temporarily help fill the void. The Hornsby release valve enabled the band members to slack off and not conduct a proper talent search. As a result, IMO, they made a poor selection.

    Jerry's friend would have failed miserably as a headhunter. In 1990, this position was a million dollar a year opportunity. Jerry Garcia, and, thus, all other band members, generously took the same ticket sales percentage as the new keyboardist. IMO, in 1990, the real winners were the key roadies who made almost a quarter of a million a year. Jerry Garcia shared at a level that would probably give Mick Jagger, Don Henley, and, even Bruce Springsteen a heart attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey View Post
    Yesiree, this was the devastating approach to replacing a vital band member (Brent). In 1990, The Grateful Dead were playing exceptionally well and grossing more than $30 million in annual ticket sales. Sadly, the band members did not want to be bothered finding an appropriate replacement for Brent. IMO, Bruce Hornsby was a blessing and a curse when he kindly volunteered to temporarily help fill the void. The Hornsby release valve enabled the band members to slack off and not conduct a proper talent search. As a result, IMO, they made a poor selection.

    Jerry's friend would have failed miserably as a headhunter. In 1990, this position was a million dollar a year opportunity. Jerry Garcia, and, thus, all other band members, generously took the same ticket sales percentage as the new keyboardist. IMO, in 1990, the real winners were the key roadies who made almost a quarter of a million a year. Jerry Garcia shared at a level that would probably give Mick Jagger, Don Henley, and, even Bruce Springsteen a heart attack.
    Yeah in the same interview McLagan talks about recording and touring with the Stones on the Some Girls record and tour and Jagger trying to squeeze him

    "Mick had a conversation with me about money over a game of pool. And he - not really a drinker, Mick, you know, and I am a professional drinker. And so we had a beer together. And the reason he came over to the house was to discuss business and I didn't know, I just thought he wanted a game of pool. Well, he got more and more drunk and he said so how much do you want? And I said well, how long you want to record? And he said two weeks. I said 15 grand. And he said I'm not paying you 50. He thought I'd said 50 instead of 15. He said I'll give you 20, and that's the end of it. And I said OK. But, of course, the next day he completely forgot about this conversation. And then, you know, we screwed around for several days with his employees, as to, you know, deciding what will I be paid, and eventually I did get my 15 but not after a lot of argument (laughter)."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusland View Post
    Yeah in the same interview McLagan talks about recording and touring with the Stones on the Some Girls record and tour and Jagger trying to squeeze him

    "Mick had a conversation with me about money over a game of pool. And he - not really a drinker, Mick, you know, and I am a professional drinker. And so we had a beer together. And the reason he came over to the house was to discuss business and I didn't know, I just thought he wanted a game of pool. Well, he got more and more drunk and he said so how much do you want? And I said well, how long you want to record? And he said two weeks. I said 15 grand. And he said I'm not paying you 50. He thought I'd said 50 instead of 15. He said I'll give you 20, and that's the end of it. And I said OK. But, of course, the next day he completely forgot about this conversation. And then, you know, we screwed around for several days with his employees, as to, you know, deciding what will I be paid, and eventually I did get my 15 but not after a lot of argument (laughter)."
    Who cares? Ain't nobody wanna talk about the Rolling Stones. They're so boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukehky View Post
    Who cares? Ain't nobody wanna talk about the Rolling Stones. They're so boring.
    Yeah those amateurs can barely sell out a high school gym. Someone should let Mick and Keif know this rock and roll thing's prolly not going to work out for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusland View Post
    Yeah those amateurs can barely sell out a high school gym. Someone should let Mick and Keif know this rock and roll thing's prolly not going to work out for them.
    Saw the Stones for the first time during the Some Girls tour at the Oakland Coliseum. Was Mick's 35th birthday and our teenage discussion centered around how much longer those geezers were going to keep touring. Jerry vs Keef in the death pool then would have been a tough call, but Keef continues to defy the odds. Add complete blood changes to Switzerland's many charms. And yes, the Coliseum was crappy for baseball, football, and concerts even back then...

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    While Drums/Space goes, I'm going to share a story about this week in 1990.

    I was walking home from work in DC back to my apartment, and as I passed a park, there were all these people crammed around a stage. It had a local radio station banner flying, so I went over to see what's up. All these folks were sticking their arms out towards the stage, and getting something.
    I'm 6'4, so my arms are longer than most. I went over, stuck out my arm without a clue, and pulled back an envelope. Inside were two tickets, marked Paul McCartney, RFK Stadium.

    So on July 6th I saw Paul McC in RFK for free, put on an amazing show. Four days later, I was in Raleigh, watching this amazing show. And two days after that, I was back in RFK, watching the Dead again. Last time I ever saw Brent wail out Dear Mr Fantasy, witnessed an amazing Dark Star, and even more fun, got to see my second rendering of Hey Jude in the same stadium as I had seen it ripped out by the originator just 6 days prior.
    It's a week I will never forget.
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred View Post
    While Drums/Space goes, I'm going to share a story about this week in 1990.

    I was walking home from work in DC back to my apartment, and as I passed a park, there were all these people crammed around a stage. It had a local radio station banner flying, so I went over to see what's up. All these folks were sticking their arms out towards the stage, and getting something.
    I'm 6'4, so my arms are longer than most. I went over, stuck out my arm without a clue, and pulled back an envelope. Inside were two tickets, marked Paul McCartney, RFK Stadium.

    So on July 6th I saw Paul McC in RFK for free, put on an amazing show. Four days later, I was in Raleigh, watching this amazing show. And two days after that, I was back in RFK, watching the Dead again. Last time I ever saw Brent wail out Dear Mr Fantasy, witnessed an amazing Dark Star, and even more fun, got to see my second rendering of Hey Jude in the same stadium as I had seen it ripped out by the originator just 6 days prior.
    It's a week I will never forget.
    I worked in DC that summer (lived out in Alexandria on the Red Line) and saw the DC show. I have a story but can’t share it here. Fun show, crazy night.

    I guess that was my last a Brent show, hadn’t really thought of it that way before.

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    I hear The Other One ó please be so!

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    !!!!!!!!

    Do it!!!!!!!

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    Half the band is playing 3/4 time, the other half playing 4/4 time. So it meets on the 12.

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    I love those old school visuals. I miss the stadium shows so much, with the stage and the flags flying and the screens.
    Amphitheaters are nice and all, but I miss seeing the stage in a field.
    Q "Why do you like Duke, you didn't even go there." A "Because my art school didn't have a basketball team."

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