2017 NBA Summer League Thread

[JasonEvans]

Folks,

It isn't that big a deal, but can we please try to keep posts about various free agent moves or trades confined to the NBA Summer thread and not mix them in with the Summer League discussion? Just for the sake of keeping conversations straight, it would be helpful.

Thanks.

[rtnorthrup]

Just read that the Lakers are going to hold Ingram out for the rest of Summer League, due to the leg cramp issue. Seems like they saw enough from him yesterday and are going to be overly conservative with him.

Sadly we wont get Ingram v Tatum tonight.

[SilkyJ]

Watching the Celts/Lakers game and they showed all the coaches watching. Thibs was talking to Nolan Smith, which was noted by PJ as he announced. Nolan was wearing a Duke jersey...I'm guessing he's networking and trying to work his way up in the world?? I know this happens in a big way at the final four (all the assistants are there hob-knobbing), so makes sense that summer league could be a good venue for this as well, even for a very junior college asst like Nolan.

[Troublemaker]

Watching the Celts/Lakers game and they showed all the coaches watching. Thibs was talking to Nolan Smith, which was noted by PJ as he announced. Nolan was wearing a Duke jersey...I'm guessing he's networking and trying to work his way up in the world?? I know this happens in a big way at the final four (all the assistants are there hob-knobbing), so makes sense that summer league could be a good venue for this as well, even for a very junior college asst like Nolan.

Sure, that should always be part of it for any young person trying to make it in a new career. But, they also just know each other from USA Basketball training camps in Las Vegas; among the Duke assistants, only Capel went overseas for the actual games, but all of them participated in the Vegas training camp, where Thibs, of course, was also present as a USA assistant.

[Dukehky]

Tatum is better than Fultz and Ball. Tatum is WAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Jaylen Brown.

That is all.

[JNort]

Tatum is better than Fultz and Ball. Tatum is WAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Jaylen Brown.

That is all.

Too early to tell. Fultz looks great so far as does Brown and as does Tatum.

[awhom111]

Another day in Las Vegas started with the Grizzlies beating the Wizards 91-88. Jarrell Martin and Deyonta Davis both had 8 fouls in the win and Daniel Ochefu had 7 in the loss.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/WASMEM#/boxscore

The Mavericks beat the Bulls 91-75 with no foul mayhem.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/DALCHI#/boxscore

The Trailblazers beat the Jazz 72-63 with 7 fouls from Caleb Swanigan while Eric Griffin had 8 fouls in the loss.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/PORUTA#/boxscore

Amile made his debut with 2 points in 18 minutes as the Timberwolves lost to the Raptors 97-72.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/TORMIN#/boxscore

The Heat beat the Spurs 75-74 with nobody getting in foul trouble.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/MIASAS#/boxscore

Jayson finished with 27 points and 11 rebounds in 33 minutes as Brandon got the night off and saw the Celtics beat the Lakers 86-81. Semi Ojeleye had 19 points in 29 minutes. Jaylen Brown figured it was a good time to commit 7 fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/BOSLAL#/boxscore

Matt made his debut with 7 points in 13 minutes as the Rockets lost to the Cavaliers 95-90 in overtime. Zhou Qi figured that he had set expectations too high in the first game and picked up 7 fouls while Kay Felder decided that 9 fouls was a good goal.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/HOUCLE#/boxscore

The Sixers beat the Warriors 95-93. Trust the process.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/PHIGSW#/boxscore

Here is Saturday's schedule (times EDT, NBATV games also on ESPN3):
Hawks vs Pelican (Quinn), 4:00pm NBATV
Suns vs Mavericks, 4:30pm ESPN
Bucks vs Nets, 6:00pm NBATV
Timberwolves (Amile) vs Nuggets, 6:30pm ESPN2
Jazz vs Clippers, 8:00pm NBATV
Trailblazers vs Celtics, 8:30pm ESPN2
Grizzlies vs Kings, 10:00pm NBATV
Sixers vs Spurs, 10:30pm ESPN2

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Tatum is better than Fultz and Ball. Tatum is WAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Jaylen Brown.

That is all.

I agree with you, and have been stating this for awhile. He is going to be the real deal.

[dukelifer]

Tatum is better than Fultz and Ball. Tatum is WAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Jaylen Brown.

That is all.

Tatum does not look afraid out there and is demanding the ball in critical moments. Not sure who is better but Tatum is going to get minutes on a very good team. Fultz will start - most likely- on a promising team so he may have some more opportunities to improve faster.

All I know is that Ball has a strange looking shot. Must have learned that from Dad

[Dukehky]

Too early to tell. Fultz looks great so far as does Brown and as does Tatum.

Other than Brown's first game where he dominated the ball, his offense has been pretty poor. He had an aggressive series against LeBron that lead people to think he's going to be special. He was a controversial #3 pick in one of the worst drafts ever. His absolute ceiling is a less good Avery Bradley.

[Indoor66]

Other than Brown's first game where he dominated the ball, his offense has been pretty poor. He had an aggressive series against LeBron that lead people to think he's going to be special. He was a controversial #3 pick in one of the worst drafts ever. His absolute ceiling is a less good Avery Bradley.

Boy, does that leave a lot of room to be wrong! LOL

[dukebluesincebirth]

Thanks to everyone for posting all the summer league info...the one guy I've really been wondering about is Harry Giles. I've seen lots of Tatum highlights (impressive) and discussion about others. Any video of Giles out there? What's the word?

[dukebluesincebirth]

Thanks to everyone for posting all the summer league info...the one guy I've really been wondering about is Harry Giles. I've seen lots of Tatum highlights (impressive) and discussion about others. Any video of Giles out there? What's the word?

Never mind, sorry... I had missed post #57. That sucks. Doesn't sound like it's off to a good start.

[sagegrouse]

Thanks to everyone for posting all the summer league info...the one guy I've really been wondering about is Harry Giles. I've seen lots of Tatum highlights (impressive) and discussion about others. Any video of Giles out there? What's the word?

Never mind, sorry... I had missed post #57. That sucks. Doesn't sound like it's off to a good start.

Summer league is "Cautious" with a capital C. Brandon Ingram got a leg cramp; he exchanged looks with Magic Johnson, and he knew he wasn't playing in any more games this summer.

[SilkyJ]

Sure, that should always be part of it for any young person trying to make it in a new career. But, they also just know each other from USA Basketball training camps in Las Vegas; among the Duke assistants, only Capel went overseas for the actual games, but all of them participated in the Vegas training camp, where Thibs, of course, was also present as a USA assistant.

Yep, but was just more surprised that he's at the Vegas summer league versus being back home while the team is practicing. Seems a bit out of place that's he's there in general given he's a low level assistant at Duke (not even an official assistant), so the NBA seems a bit out of reach for him right now from a coaching perspective. Moreover, all the new guys arrived on campus recently and are starting their light summer workouts.

Not totally unusual to see him there, but a bit surprised.

[SilkyJ]

Quinn Cook had 25/5/5 today vs Ryan Kelly (8pts) as the Pelicans lost to the Hawks in a tight one. Quinn was the leader on the floor and looked like he belonged. Frank was in street clothes for NO, presumably recovering from that surgery still?

Quinn has looked good so far and looks like a solid backup PG. Can someone remind of his contract situation? He looks like he should stick somewhere regardless, but can't remember if this year with NOP is guaranteed yet--IIRC it's not guaranteed at this point and he still has to get through training camp...

[CDu]

Quinn Cook had 25/5/5 today vs Ryan Kelly (8pts) as the Pelicans lost to the Hawks in a tight one. Quinn was the leader on the floor and looked like he belonged. Frank was in street clothes for NO, presumably recovering from that surgery still?

Quinn has looked good so far and looks like a solid backup PG. Can someone remind of his contract situation? He looks like he should stick somewhere regardless, but can't remember if this year with NOP is guaranteed yet--IIRC it's not guaranteed at this point and he still has to get through training camp...

Cook is in the second year of a two-year deal from last April with the Pelicans. His salary for this year (~$1.3 million) is not guaranteed.

[awhom111]

The first game of the day had even more storylines than we thought with two Duke players. Ryan had 8 points in 13 minutes and helped the Hawks get the win 84-82. He only played that few minutes because by rule, he needed to clear waivers with the Rockets before he could join another team, which did not happen until halftime. Quinn's 25 points for the Pelicans came in 31 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/ATLNOP#/boxscore

Josh Jackson took advantage of being able to collect 7 fouls as the Suns lost to the Mavericks 88-77.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/PHXDAL#/boxscore

The Bucks beat the Nets 88-83 in a relatively uneventful game.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/MILBKN#/boxscore

Amile had 6 points in 10 minutes as the Timberwolves beat the Nuggets 90-71.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/MINDEN#/boxscore

The Clippers beat the Jazz 86-67 in a game with excessive Tarheels.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/UTALAC#/boxscore

Jayson had 11 points and 7 rebounds in 28 minutes in a 70-64 Celtics win over the Trailblazers. Semi had 9 points in 28 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/PORBOS#/boxscore

De'Aaron Fox had 7 fouls as the Kings lost to the Grizzlies 81-75.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/MEMSAC#/boxscore

It seems silly to schedule these teams again after they played in Utah, but the day ended with the 7 fouls Davis Bertans and the Spurs beating 8 foul Brandon Austin and the Sixers 101-95.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/PHISAS#/boxscore

Here is Monday's schedule (times EDT, NBATV games also on ESPN3):
Hawks (Ryan) vs Bulls, 4:00pm ESPNU
Heat vs Wizards, 4:30pm NBATV
Nets vs Pelicans (Quinn), 6:00pm ESPNU
Rockets (Matt) vs Suns, 6:30pm NBATV
Nuggets vs Rockets, 8:00pm ESPNU
Warriors vs Cavaliers, 8:30pm NBATV
Clippers vs Bucks, 10:00pm ESPN2
Lakers vs Kings, 10:30pm NBATV

[ChillinDuke]

The first game of the day had even more storylines than we thought with two Duke players. Ryan had 8 points in 13 minutes and helped the Hawks get the win 84-82. He only played that few minutes because by rule, he needed to clear waivers with the Rockets before he could join another team, which did not happen until halftime. Quinn's 25 points for the Pelicans came in 31 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/ATLNOP#/boxscore
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LOL at the bolded.

The quirks of the NBA rules during the offseason make situations like this amusing...

- Chillin

ETA: I love Quinn Cook. Just so that's clear.

[Channing]

a nice write-up partially focused on Quinn. It feels like a lot of the talk around QC this summer is similar to the type of talk we heard about Seth 2 summers ago. Hopefully it ends as well for QC as it did for Seth: https://www.thebirdwrites.com/2017/7...ks-jones-young