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    Name Duke’s most dangerous lineup this year

    Name Duke’s most dangerous lineup this year, not necessarily its starting lineup.

    I think most people would think of Kyle Singler and Gerald Henderson as being 2 of Duke’s most dangerous players.

    Assuming he can play half decent defense, Taylor King apparently has no conscience when it comes to scoring, but that’s a big IF.

    You need a PG and if he lives up to his hype, Nolan Smith is probably most dangerous, then Scheyer or Paulus, again a big IF.

    So that 's all three frosh already which is problematic.

    Depending on how you want to shape your team, good arguments can probably be made for almost anyone except possibly McClure, who is a good player, just more of a steadying influence than “dangerous”.

    Some would say it has to be Nelson or Paulus as it is unlikely either one of them does not start; they have the most Duke experience, etc.

    Some would say Scheyer for his 21 points in 75 seconds or whatever it was.

    Some would say Zoubek if he learns to leverage his extreme height advantage.

    Some would say Lance based on speed, defense, etc.

    Some would say Pocius, as I would, based more on gut feel and his success on Euro teams than anything else

    So my 5 most dangerous Duke players in a single lineup, which surely will not be the starting lineup, in fact perhaps none will start in deference to Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-McClure-Lance/Zoubek, would be

    Smith--Pocius- Henderson-Singler-King.

    Which is your 5 most dangerous Duke lineup this year?

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    Paulus, Scheyer, Nelson, Henderson, Singler.

    Yes, I know such a lineup would have a tough time rebounding with 4 guards but all those guards do a nice job of rebounding for their position -- especially Nelson and Henderson. That lineup passes very well, shoots excellently, and would kill with its ability to slash to the basket.

    But, because of matchups, I don't think we see this lineup all that much.

    -Jason "is 'dangerous' just an offensive term, cause we could put out a very dangerous defensive team too" Evans

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    It all depends on how you define dangerous. I think great defensive players like Billy King and Tommy Amaker are on the top of my dangerous list but they certainly didn't shoot the lights out (although Billy might have hit a light or two on his free throw attempts).
    Assuming you mean offensive explosiveness I think a small lineup of:
    Paulus, Scheyer, Henderson, Nelson, Singler has the potential to run and shoot anyone else off the floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Paulus, Scheyer, Nelson, Henderson, Singler.

    Yes, I know such a lineup would have a tough time rebounding with 4 guards but all those guards do a nice job of rebounding for their position -- especially Nelson and Henderson. That lineup passes very well, shoots excellently, and would kill with its ability to slash to the basket.

    But, because of matchups, I don't think we see this lineup all that much.

    -Jason "is 'dangerous' just an offensive term, cause we could put out a very dangerous defensive team too" Evans
    How uneven do you think that lineup would be in a Blue -White matchup?

    Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Henderson-Singler

    vs.

    Smith-Pocius-McClure-Lance-(Zoubek/King).

    Could boil down to whether Zoubek could get Singler in foul trouble versus who could Zoubek guard if they have to play man to man.

    Without Zoubek, King and Pocius could probably adequately guard Paulus and Scheyer, with Lance guarding Singler, Smith/McClure guarding Henderson/Nelson, but could they exploit the small lineup on Offense?

    Depends on the matchups as Nolan-Marty could dribble penetrate if guarded by Greg-Jon. If Nelson is assigned, which one of McClure-King can Greg/Jon guard?

    It boils down to how much Offense McClure/Lance could produce, and whether King is hot.

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    Yes, other than being racially imbalanced a lineup of Smith-Henderson-Nelson-(Singler/McClure)-Lance would be a very dangerous full court pressing team, that Pocius-Scheyer-Paulus could somewhat play that style more than King/Zoubek.
    Last edited by ACCBBallFan; 07-11-2007 at 12:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACCBBallFan View Post
    Name Duke’s most dangerous lineup this year, not necessarily its starting lineup.
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    Paulus as a shooting guard

    Smith PG - Long, quick, penetrator.
    Paulus SG - Our best outside shooter? Can also pass and create.
    Nelson OG - Athletic, can do it all, including score at any time.
    Henderson SF- A matchhup problem on the offensive side, explosive.
    Singler PF - Can do it all, has a great attitude.

    This could be an intriguing lineup from an offensive standpoint. smith could be a suprise player for Duke next year as most people don't see him breaking thru the talented guards in front of him but he brings a different set of skills and abilities to the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whereinthehellami View Post
    Smith PG - Long, quick, penetrator.
    Paulus SG - Our best outside shooter? Can also pass and create.
    Nelson OG - Athletic, can do it all, including score at any time.
    Henderson SF- A matchhup problem on the offensive side, explosive.
    Singler PF - Can do it all, has a great attitude.

    This could be an intriguing lineup from an offensive standpoint. smith could be a suprise player for Duke next year as most people don't see him breaking thru the talented guards in front of him but he brings a different set of skills and abilities to the table.
    To me, our most dangerous lineup is:

    Nolan Smith
    Demarcus Nelson
    Gerald Henderson
    Lance Thomas
    Kyle Singler

    As a whole, this is a solid defensive unit, where all the perimeter players can switch screens without creating a mismatch, the same between Thomas and Singler. You have strong penetration abilities from the 1-3, something you just don't get as much of with Paulus and Scheyer in there. Also of note, Smith, Henderson, and Singler can create their own shots consistently. I think this team can play in the half-court with those three that can create their own shot, but if need be, this 5 can run you right out of the gym. Not to mention, you have two 6-8/6-9 players that can play the post but also step out to the mid-range on both ends of the floor.

    The versatility is the key, though. We've all seen Demarcus guard anyone from the 1 to the 4 or 5, Henderson is capable of guarding any guard/wing player up to 6-6/6-7 or so, Thomas can guard anywhere from the 3 to the 5, and we've seen Singler guard both Kevin Love and Kosta Koufos effectively at 6-9. It's hard for any team to create a mismatch on these 5 while our quickness and athleticism on offense can force the action and impose tempo on the opposition.

    The best part: Having Paulus, Scheyer, McClure and Zoubek come off the bench means I'd put that bench against anyone in the nation. There really wouldn't be much of a drop-off at all. Depth, baby!

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    For what its worth (about $.02) my dangerous five would be King, Paulus, Henderson, Nelson, and Singler. In the early season absence of a really ready BZ, I would also like to put LT in there, but other teams would probably object to our having six players on the court.
    Anyway, I think these five would be dangerous shooters, with two great athletes (Nelson and Henderson). From early reports, King and Singler are not great athletes, but find ways to score. And GP runs the team and takes freebie outside shots.
    I am aware of the good players I have left out, and would love to see Blue/White with these five against Scheyer, LT, McClure (a favorite of mine), Pocius, and Smith. Except from Scheyer, not certain where all the points would come from. And BZ has to get worked into the rotation as early as possible to help him make up ground.
    Fun to speculate.

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    Dangerous for who?

    Dangerous for our opponnents:

    Paulus
    Sheyer
    Nelson
    Henderson
    Singler

    (Although I agree with Jason, we're not likely to see much of this lineup.)

    Dangerous to ourselves:

    Nelson
    Pocius
    McClure
    Thomas
    Zoubek

    (99 assists against 221 turnovers. That's what I call dangerous!)
    Last edited by mph; 07-11-2007 at 02:33 PM.

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    After watching them play this summer, I would have to put lance in my five. Also, he runs really well with the full court offense we are moving back to this coming season.

    Paulus has also played much better in full court offense as opposed to half court. Last year, we did the best when Coach K let the players run the court. We then lost our leads when we slowed things down.

    Henderson has gotten really really good since last season. He played well in their unofficial scrimmages this summer, plus I heard good things about his play at the camp he attended this summer.

    Singler and Nelson are both solid defenders who are really versatile. Scheyer is really close at the top. Nolan Smith has been amazing in scrimmages. He is incredibly quick and just so much fun to watch. I'm hoping he will bulk up though, because if he plays the 2 position, he might get pushed around.


    My five:
    Paulus
    Nelson
    Henderson
    Singler
    Thomas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali-Duke View Post
    After watching them play this summer, I would have to put lance in my five. Also, he runs really well with the full court offense we are moving back to this coming season.

    Paulus has also played much better in full court offense as opposed to half court. Last year, we did the best when Coach K let the players run the court. We then lost our leads when we slowed things down.

    Henderson has gotten really really good since last season. He played well in their unofficial scrimmages this summer, plus I heard good things about his play at the camp he attended this summer.

    Singler and Nelson are both solid defenders who are really versatile. Scheyer is really close at the top. Nolan Smith has been amazing in scrimmages. He is incredibly quick and just so much fun to watch. I'm hoping he will bulk up though, because if he plays the 2 position, he might get pushed around.


    My five:
    Paulus
    Nelson
    Henderson
    Singler
    Thomas
    I bet that we see that lineup on the floor at times this season, and potentially even starting if Jon isn't in the starting lineup. I do think that Jon will be in the starting lineup for most games, though, based on what we saw last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACCBBallFan View Post
    Name Duke’s most dangerous lineup this year

    I think most people would think of Gerald Henderson as being Duke’s most dangerous player.
    You think everyone is going to stick their nose in his way around the basket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by throatybeard View Post
    The women's golf roster.
    Great post!!

    As an aside, our most dangerous lineup would have been the man's Lax team after the NCAA granted everyone on the team an extra year of elligibility, but many of the senior studs on the team have opted to play Lax elsewhere instead of coming back to Duke. I am not sure I understand that, but that is what several of them are doing.

    I still think they deserved that extra year of elligbility, but I am waay bummed that they will be using it for rival programs.

    -Jason "sigh..." Evans

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    I don't really see any of the Duke players being especially dangerous, which may make it tough for them to make it in the NBA:

    http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...=us&lr=lang_en

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans View Post
    Great post!!

    As an aside, our most dangerous lineup would have been the man's Lax team after the NCAA granted everyone on the team an extra year of elligibility, but many of the senior studs on the team have opted to play Lax elsewhere instead of coming back to Duke. I am not sure I understand that, but that is what several of them are doing.

    I still think they deserved that extra year of elligbility, but I am waay bummed that they will be using it for rival programs.

    -Jason "sigh..." Evans
    We have seniors that are transferring? Where'd you hear/read this?

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    One factor in the equation will be the strengths and weaknesses of any given opponent. In fact, the real strength of this year's team could be the different combinations of lineups we can field. However, my straight forward answer to the question is:

    Smith, Nelson, Henderson, Singler & Thomas

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    Singler, Thomas, Henderson, Scheyer, Paulus

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    Lance Thomas

    I've been seeing alot of people putting Thomas in as a starter, I just don't see it. Hopefully he has made huge in-roads this summer but IMO he had some significant holes that needed to be filled before seeing a starter spot. I like his height, length, and energy but think that the speed of the ACC (decision making, reaction times) will put him another year away from being a starter. I like McClure to start in that spot but if we are talking about dangerous lineups then I think you go with Henderson and small ball first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whereinthehellami View Post
    Smith PG - Long, quick, penetrator.
    Paulus SG - Our best outside shooter? Can also pass and create.
    Nelson OG - Athletic, can do it all, including score at any time.
    Henderson SF- A matchhup problem on the offensive side, explosive.
    Singler PF - Can do it all, has a great attitude.

    This could be an intriguing lineup from an offensive standpoint. smith could be a suprise player for Duke next year as most people don't see him breaking thru the talented guards in front of him but he brings a different set of skills and abilities to the table.

    If Smith has the handle, I think that is the best idea I've heard yet. We all know Greg does not handle pressure or traps well at all. If Smith is better at bringing it up court Paulus would do well dishing off the first pass, or draining a jumper. Plus, Smith can probably penetrate better. Darn good thought friend.

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    Even though Smith is a better penetrator, Paulus has one of the best if not the best vision on the team. Plus, with the full court offense, Paulus will have to rely less on penetrating and more on vision and passing. Paulus does have a shot, but so does Smith. Paulus is also a great leader. In all of their summer scrimmages, he is constantly talking to people on the floor. Smith doesn't do that, which is completely understandable when he is new to the system. So I feel Paulus being point guard is best at least for this season.

    By the way, Thomas seems to have gotten better. He is more confident in the scrimmages and his skills are more refined. Granted, I understand that these are just scrimmages and in no way indicative of how the players are going to play, this growth with him being a good fit in a full court offense is promising.

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