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    The Firearm Thread

    Any fellow gun enthusiasts on DBR? What do you have? What do you want? If you have one, what is your EDC? Do you hunt or just shoot for fun?

    I have never hunted, not really my thing as I could never kill an animal, but I do love going to the range. Right now all I have is a Glock 19 (3rd gen) that I got as a gift from my father about a year ago. It is the perfect handgun in my opinion because of it's versatility. The high capacity and concealable design make it ideal for those of us who don't have the means for an arsenal of handguns. It's recent adoption from the Navy Seals and USMC says a lot about the 19's reliability, imo. Being a 9mm, it is also budget friendly to shoot.

    What do you guys/gals have?
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    Cool thread. Thanks for starting it. I've enjoyed shooting for a while and I've become and avid hunter over the past 6 years. For trap, I own an old Ithica 12 gauge that will break your shoulder and a Benelli Vinci that shoots like a dream. I also use the Benelli to hunt turkey. For deer I use a Tikka T3 .30-06 and my son hunts with a Ruger American .243. I have two rifles I enjoy taking to the range. The first is a little Cricket .22 LR I bought for my kids. Very safe and accurate rifle that the kids (or you) can shoot all day. The second is a SIG 516 Patrol FDE. It's a 5.56/.223 patrol rifle that I equipped with an Aimpoint red dot sight. It's great at the range and will be my go to weapon during the zombie apocalypse. My only handgun is a Springfield XD 40. Also fun at the range and good for personal protection when camping in the George Washington National Forest. I like the Glock but went with them XD because the slightly smaller grip felt better in my hand. I'm thinking about adding a laser sight to the XD but haven't made up my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattman91 View Post
    Any fellow gun enthusiasts on DBR? What do you have? What do you want? If you have one, what is your EDC? Do you hunt or just shoot for fun?

    I have never hunted, not really my thing as I could never kill an animal, but I do love going to the range. Right now all I have is a Glock 19 (3rd gen) that I got as a gift from my father about a year ago. It is the perfect handgun in my opinion because of it's versatility. The high capacity and concealable design make it ideal for those of us who don't have the means for an arsenal of handguns. It's recent adoption from the Navy Seals and USMC says a lot about the 19's reliability, imo. Being a 9mm, it is also budget friendly to shoot.

    What do you guys/gals have?
    I'm similar to you as I don't hunt (like to fish though) and like to visit the range on occasion. I also have a Glock 19 but mine is a 4th gen. It's hard to beat a Glock for reliability and ease of use.

    I also have a Sig Sauer P238 which is a really cool little .380. It's built like a miniature 1911 in that it has the exposed hammer and is single action. Very fun to play with and very accurate to be such a little firearm because of the single action. It has the wood grips and stainless steel barrel and is gorgeous in my opinion.

    Lastly, I own a Kahr PM9 which is a compact 9mm. Sweet little gun and super accurate to be that small and firing a 9mm round.

    If you like to look at different guns and hear about the pros and cons I would highly recommend watching Hancock45 on YouTube. He has the most awesome shooting range in his backyard I've ever seen and I don't think there is a firearm made he hasn't reviewed.
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    I have a few guns. Been shooting since I was 10 with my dad. Right now, I'm lusting after the Sig Sauer P226 Legion Series in .357 Sig and .40 convertible. Just something I think is very cool.

    My pride and joy is my Smith & Wesson .38 Special M&P 6" barrel round heel revolver. It's from 1928, and it was my great grandfather's last service piece when he retired from the secret service. It's in almost perfect condition with just the slightest wear on the muzzle and cylinder edge from him holstering it. I'm a sucker for old revolvers. I feel like they're tangible pieces of our history.

    For home defense, I love the first gun I ever purchased with my own money. Back in 1996 when I was 21, I plunked down around $600 for an H&K USP in .40 S&W. At the time, I figured if the USP was good enough for the Navy Seals, it was good enough for me. I liked the mechanical safety and exposed hammer. It's a DA/SA. I still love that thing. Very smooth and accurate. Back then I chose the .40 over the 9mm or .45 because I was a little worried about the kick and lower capacity of a .45, but wanted more stopping power than a 9mm. The .40 seemed like a good compromise at the time, and I haven't regretted it.

    I'm an NRA certified RSO and BPI (basic pistol instructor). So, you could say firearms are my job. I also write for a website called gun values board. We help people figure out the age and value of guns they've found, bought, are thinking of buying, or inherited. I work in the S&W section, but there are sections for almost any gun. There's also great advice on there for legally and safely purchasing and selling guns, and even some repair. Check it out if you want. It's completely free.
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    I only have one...an antique muzzle loader.



    It makes a great home defense weapon. The 6' long barrel makes a great blunt weapon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PackMan97 View Post
    I only have one...an antique muzzle loader.



    It makes a great home defense weapon. The 6' long barrel makes a great blunt weapon!
    I have one like it but the holster hits my ankle when I walk.

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    Any advice for a first-time buyer? I keep putting it off because I'd like to get in some range time to evaluate options. I want something usable for CC, which probably means on the smaller side since I'm a short guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLPOG View Post
    Any advice for a first-time buyer? I keep putting it off because I'd like to get in some range time to evaluate options. I want something usable for CC, which probably means on the smaller side since I'm a short guy.
    Take a look at the KelTec line. I have two and find them quite reliable. You can have .32, .380 or 9mm in a very concealable weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLPOG View Post
    Any advice for a first-time buyer? I keep putting it off because I'd like to get in some range time to evaluate options. I want something usable for CC, which probably means on the smaller side since I'm a short guy.
    There are tons of things to think about with CC but the absolute most important piece of advice I can give you is purchase a firearm you can comfortably carry. If you don't you will not carry it. You might think you will but I'm telling you if it is cumbersome in the least you will quit carrying it.

    There are tons of epic debates about carrying .380's for personal defense and whether or not it's enough but if you buy bigger and don't carry it, then what do you have? YMMV and you may be able to carry something larger just fine and plenty of people do but my personal experience is start small and if you are comfortable then try something larger. Usually folks do just the opposite. My Sig P238 fits this bill perfectly as I hardly ever carry anything larger anymore.

    Also, I'll second your own advice about trying out options on the range first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLPOG View Post
    Any advice for a first-time buyer? I keep putting it off because I'd like to get in some range time to evaluate options. I want something usable for CC, which probably means on the smaller side since I'm a short guy.
    Definitely see what's comfortable in the hand as well as to conceal. Take a course. Or two. Or three. Practice A LOT. If this is your first gun purchase, and you have limited experience with firearms in general, I know it's cliche, but nothing is safer and more reliable than a good, old-fashioned revolver. There are several of them that are easily concealed. Reliability and repeatability are SO important, especially if the unthinkable happens and you have to actually use it, and a revolver has, by far, the shortest path to repeatability.

    If you absolutely want to go semi-auto, I really like the Smith & Wesson Shield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLPOG View Post
    Any advice for a first-time buyer? I keep putting it off because I'd like to get in some range time to evaluate options. I want something usable for CC, which probably means on the smaller side since I'm a short guy.
    What everyone here has suggested has been great advice. the Keltec PF-9 would be a fine choice. They retail for around $350 brand new and are very reliable, and easy for cc.

    If you have smaller hands, the Glock 26 (9) or Glock 27 (40) are nice choices as well, if you don't mind paying about $200 more. If you are OK with a .380, the Glock 42 is a great single stack .380 so you may prefer it over the others named since you are smaller framed. The 42 may actually be my next purchase as the 19 can be a little more difficult to carry in the summer time. Can you tell I'm a Glock fanboy?

    But again, you can'y go wrong with anything that has already been suggested. Smith and Wesson makes some great options, as well as Ruger. I would recommend checking out different manufacturers websites to see what is available, and of course, go to a local gun range and shoot a few different styles.

    IMO, the debate over caliber size for handguns is pointless. As a previous poster said, get what you are comfortable with. I would also add that hollow point ammo is the only kind of ammunition I recommend for concealed carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjornolf View Post
    Definitely see what's comfortable in the hand as well as to conceal. Take a course. Or two. Or three. Practice A LOT. If this is your first gun purchase, and you have limited experience with firearms in general, I know it's cliche, but nothing is safer and more reliable than a good, old-fashioned revolver. There are several of them that are easily concealed. Reliability and repeatability are SO important, especially if the unthinkable happens and you have to actually use it, and a revolver has, by far, the shortest path to repeatability.

    [B][B]If you absolutely want to go semi-auto, I really like the Smith & Wesson Shield.
    I will second this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUKIECB View Post
    I'm similar to you as I don't hunt (like to fish though) and like to visit the range on occasion. I also have a Glock 19 but mine is a 4th gen. It's hard to beat a Glock for reliability and ease of use.

    I also have a Sig Sauer P238 which is a really cool little .380. It's built like a miniature 1911 in that it has the exposed hammer and is single action. Very fun to play with and very accurate to be such a little firearm because of the single action. It has the wood grips and stainless steel barrel and is gorgeous in my opinion.

    Lastly, I own a Kahr PM9 which is a compact 9mm. Sweet little gun and super accurate to be that small and firing a 9mm round.

    If you like to look at different guns and hear about the pros and cons I would highly recommend watching Hancock45 on YouTube. He has the most awesome shooting range in his backyard I've ever seen and I don't think there is a firearm made he hasn't reviewed.
    Love that guy, but I think it is hickok45. I have been subscribed to him for a while, and I agree, his range is bad-I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattman91 View Post
    Love that guy, but I think it is hickok45. I have been subscribed to him for a while, and I agree, his range is bad-I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.!
    You are right, it is Hickok45
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    Ithaca Single shot 12 gauge shotgun.

    .357 magnum Smith and Wesson revolver.

    Eight shot Ruger double action .22 revolver.

    Strictly home defense, as I don't hunt, but may take it up when I've caught all the bass on earth. But since I practice catch and release, that's not possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjornolf View Post
    If you absolutely want to go semi-auto, I really like the Smith & Wesson Shield.
    I love the M&P line from Smith & Wesson. I have the FS .40 cal, as well as the Shield for my concealed carry. Love the single stack of the Shield - conceals nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattman91 View Post
    Any fellow gun enthusiasts on DBR? What do you have? What do you want? If you have one, what is your EDC? Do you hunt or just shoot for fun?

    I have never hunted, not really my thing as I could never kill an animal, but I do love going to the range. Right now all I have is a Glock 19 (3rd gen) that I got as a gift from my father about a year ago. It is the perfect handgun in my opinion because of it's versatility. The high capacity and concealable design make it ideal for those of us who don't have the means for an arsenal of handguns. It's recent adoption from the Navy Seals and USMC says a lot about the 19's reliability, imo. Being a 9mm, it is also budget friendly to shoot.

    What do you guys/gals have?
    I just recently purchased my first handgun, a Smith & Wesson MP Shield 9mm. Last week I shot a friend's Glock 19 and loved it. Thinking about buying one for myself. It seemed more accurate on the range and held 14 bullets. The S&W would probably be better sized for concealed use though.
    Tom Mac

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    I have always liked wheel guns. I have a Smith & Wesson 642 that, with +P ammo is quite a weapon. In considering concealed carry, I look at weight and dimensions. I have no expectation of getting into a Falusia style gunfight, so large capacity mags or # of cylinders is not a concern. Double stack mags just get too thick. That is one reason I like the KelTec PF-9 - 12.9 oz empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommac View Post
    I just recently purchased my first handgun, a Smith & Wesson MP Shield 9mm. Last week I shot a friend's Glock 19 and loved it. Thinking about buying one for myself. It seemed more accurate on the range and held 14 bullets. The S&W would probably be better sized for concealed use though.
    When you get into good quality firearms (Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Glock, Sig Sauer, etc.) accuracy becomes a rather subjective thing, unless you're shooting from a gun vice on a stable platform. (On top of that, the vast majority of easily concealed handguns have very short barrels and are light in weight, so long range accuracy is generally not one of their strengths.) It comes down to your stance and grip, your comfort level, your experience and skill. Even ammunition choice affects it (some guns seem to do better with certain ammo than with others). A gun that is "super accurate" for one person might not work well for someone else. The important thing is to find the gun that works best for you. Part of my job is offering advice to people on what gun to get. I can help narrow them down to a group, but then I always tell the person to try several and find what works and feels best for him or her.

    The most important thing is practice. Practice, practice, practice. If you fire 5,000 rounds with any well-functioning gun, you can get accurate with it. But also, classes and practice on situations where your gun comes into play are even more important. The vast majority of situations where a person needs to use their concealed carry firearm occur within 10 feet of a shooter and happen VERY fast. Is your "accuracy" with plenty of time on a range at 15 or 20 or even 25 yards at a small bullseye going to mean a dang thing when a large man is ten feet away from you advancing and pulling a knife? Learning when to use it and when NOT to (most classes teach evade, hide, THEN shoot only as a last resort), and how, is very important. Practicing it not until you get it right, but until you can't get it wrong is extremely important, because if you ever HAVE to use it, you're going to be under a ton of stress and you can't afford to get it wrong at that point.

    One of my teachers told me that practicing your draw is the most important skill for concealed carry situations. In those situations, you want the time it takes you to access your gun (move clothing out of the way, draw, and get into firing position) to be no more than 1.5 seconds. THAT takes A TON of practice. I'm still working on that. In his opinion, how accurate you are at a distance with your concealed carry gun is secondary to how well you can conceal it and how fast you can draw and use it. He recommends purchasing a dummy gun and practicing at home in a mirror with it. Most handguns on the market these days have a plastic counterpart that match it in size and weight exactly.

    Now, if you want a home defense gun, accuracy jumps up the list. The draw and ability to conceal will PROBABLY be less of a factor in a home defense scenario. However, you should measure the longest "straight" distance in your home. That would be the longest shot you'd ever have to take in a home defense scenario, and even that is unlikely. It's probably shorter than you think. Also, in a home defense scenario, you have the home field advantage. You should use it. Get very familiar with your home, the corners, the sight lines, exposure points and hiding places. A dummy gun is good for this too. Where is the best place to shoot if you have to? You probably want to avoid the hall where your kids, or spouse, are sleeping right on the other side of the wall with nothing to protect them but a couple layers of sheetrock.

    Many teachers recommend the fortress approach. Teach your family to quickly gather in your room. Practice it. Hide them in the bathroom or closet. Lock the door. Call 911 and wait them out. Only use the gun if they break down the bedroom door and you have to. Unfortuntely, most homes' designs make it unrealistic that your kids could get to your room without exposing themselves to danger from the intruder. It might be better to teach them to barricade and hide in their own rooms and wait for you to come get them. Every home and situation is different. The best defense is an armed alarm system. The vast, VAST majority of burglars and home invaders will flee if the alarm goes off.

    Ammo is very important in a home defense situation too. Hollow points are a good choice, because they have great stopping power and do a lot of damage. However, they spend that energy VERY quickly, so they are FAR less likely to hurt your family through those two layers of sheetrock than, say, a full metal jacket solid core bullet. For similar reasons, a lot of people like shotguns for home defense. A BAD choice would be your 30-06 deer rifle. That'll hurt the family next door.

    Basically, like I said, every situation is different and every person is different, and the best gun and ammo for every person is different. I guess the long and short of it is analyze your needs, try several, and pick what's best for you. Sorry for the long, rambling response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indoor66 View Post
    I have always liked wheel guns. I have a Smith & Wesson 642 that, with +P ammo is quite a weapon.
    Cool! The .38 Special Centennial Airweight stainless shrouded. Awesome gun. Do you have the Lady Smith version (probably not) or the original with the black rubber grips? Do you have the post 1996 version or the pre 1992?
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