Page 1 of 8 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 156
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Dallas, TX

    MBB: 2016-17 Minutes Discussion Thread

    Here it is! Our roster for next year:

    #0 Jayson Tatum 6-8 F
    #1 Harry Giles 6-10 F/C
    #2 Chase Jeter 6-10 C
    #3 Grayson Allen 6-4 G
    #5 Luke Kennard 6-5 G
    #12 Javin Montgomery-DeLaurier 6-8 F
    #13 Matt Jones 6-5 G/F
    #15 Frank Jackson 6-3 G
    #21 Amile Jefferson 6-9 F
    #30 Antonio Vrankovic 7-0 C
    #34 Sean Obi 6-9 C
    #41 Jack White 6-8 F
    #45 Nick Pagliuca 6-3 G
    #50 Justin Robinson 6-8 F
    #53 Brennan Besser 6-5 G

    And . . .

    Marques Bolden 6-10 F/C

    Let the speculation commence.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Raleigh
    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    Here it is! Our roster for next year:

    #0 Jayson Tatum 6-8 F
    #1 Harry Giles 6-10 F/C
    #2 Chase Jeter 6-10 C
    #3 Grayson Allen 6-4 G
    #5 Luke Kennard 6-5 G
    #12 Javin Montgomery-DeLaurier 6-8 F
    #13 Matt Jones 6-5 G/F
    #15 Frank Jackson 6-3 G
    #21 Amile Jefferson 6-9 F
    #30 Antonio Vrankovic 7-0 C
    #34 Sean Obi 6-9 C
    #41 Jack White 6-8 F
    #45 Nick Pagliuca 6-3 G
    #50 Justin Robinson 6-8 F
    #53 Brennan Besser 6-5 G

    And . . .

    Marques Bolden 6-10 F/C

    Let the speculation commence.
    Damn. That's almost as many as ol roy keeps on his rosters. Considering we'll platoon 3 units, I wonder who the last man out is going to be .
    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Richmond, VA
    Perhaps coach K can petition for a 48 minute game for next year

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Boston, MA
    It'll be a long off-season. I'm not allocating minutes yet but rather bucketing.

    Order is who I think gets the most minutes

    Gonna get minutes:
    -Grayson
    -Tatum
    -Amile
    -Harry
    -Jones
    -Kennard

    Probably gonna get minutes:
    -Jackson
    -Marques

    Outside-looking-in on minutes:
    -Jeter

    Duke-up-30-points-with-2-min-left:
    -Javin
    -Obi
    -Vrank
    -White
    -Robinson
    -Pags
    -Anyone else?
    Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things. - Winston Churchill

    President of the "Nolan Smith Should Have His Jersey in The Rafters" Club

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Dallas, TX

    Early Guess

    Starters

    Player: Minutes

    Harry Giles: 28
    Amile Jefferson: 28
    Matt Jones: 27
    Grayson Allen: 32
    Jayson Tatum: 29

    Bench

    Luke Kennard: 24
    Marques Bolden: 16
    Frank Jackson: 11
    Chase Jeter: 4

    This is pretty new territory. Not sure we've had a team this deep, like, EVER. This team has nine 5-star kids. I was looking at the 98-99 team, and this team still has more highly rated guys. However, I still think it'll become an 8 man rotation, even if it means a really talented kid isn't playing much.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by flyingdutchdevil View Post
    It'll be a long off-season. I'm not allocating minutes yet but rather bucketing.

    Order is who I think gets the most minutes

    Gonna get minutes:
    -Grayson
    -Tatum
    -Amile
    -Harry
    -Jones
    -Kennard

    Probably gonna get minutes:
    -Jackson
    -Marques

    Outside-looking-in on minutes:
    -Jeter

    Duke-up-30-points-with-2-min-left:
    -Javin
    -Obi
    -Vrank
    -White
    -Robinson
    -Pags
    -Anyone else?
    Looks about right at first blush. My only quibble is I'd like that last bucket to look more like "Duke-Up-30-Points-With-15-Min-Left"

  7. #7
    Kaze, I think you can change the title of this thread to:

    Phase -1: Keys to the minutes discussion


    1. Health:
    Obi is already hurt, will he be able to play at all next year? Surprisingly the biggest X factor in the minutes discussion (see 3 and 5).
    If anyone gets hurt next year, every minutes discussion will be moot.

    2. Minutes Locks

    Allen, A. Jefferson, Tatum, Giles, M. Jones, Kennard all a lock for minutes. Thats 6 of an 8-9 deep rotation

    3. Minutes Knocks
    Unlikely to get minutes from Vrank, J. Rob, J. White, and Javin (AKA How do you spell Delaurierierieer?).
    Obi probably also makes this list, because of injury and lack of improvement. Would need a heck of a summer...

    4. Guard Battle (AKA Just how good is Frank Jackson really?)
    He'll probably play, but just how much will Jackson eat into Jones/Kennard minutes? Is he good enough to start? Can he earn MORE minutes than either of these guys?

    5. Jeter Vs Bolden
    Who's more ready, the big body center freshman or the somewhat tested sophomore. There is also a chance neither get significant minutes and they get distributed into a 3 man big rotation of Jefferson, Giles and Tatum. Also Obi?

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Washington, D.C.

    9 deep

    I am very tempted to go with the same prediction I used last year, when Duke looked 9 deep, before we learned that Obi had bad knees, Jeter wasn't ready, and Amile had a broken foot. Everyone of the 9 gets slightly more than 22 mpg, except for blowouts, when the other player take some minutes.

    Maybe I should give this more thought. . .

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Skitzle View Post
    Kaze, I think you can change the title of this thread to:

    Phase -1: Keys to the minutes discussion


    1. Health:
    Obi is already hurt, will he be able to play at all next year? Surprisingly the biggest X factor in the minutes discussion (see 3 and 5).
    If anyone gets hurt next year, every minutes discussion will be moot.

    2. Minutes Locks

    Allen, A. Jefferson, Tatum, Giles, M. Jones, Kennard all a lock for minutes. Thats 6 of an 8-9 deep rotation

    3. Minutes Knocks
    Unlikely to get minutes from Vrank, J. Rob, J. White, and Javin (AKA How do you spell Delaurierierieer?).
    Obi probably also makes this list, because of injury and lack of improvement. Would need a heck of a summer...

    4. Guard Battle (AKA Just how good is Frank Jackson really?)
    He'll probably play, but just how much will Jackson eat into Jones/Kennard minutes? Is he good enough to start? Can he earn MORE minutes than either of these guys?

    5. Jeter Vs Bolden
    Who's more ready, the big body center freshman or the somewhat tested sophomore. There is also a chance neither get significant minutes and they get distributed into a 3 man big rotation of Jefferson, Giles and Tatum. Also Obi?
    I do see Allen, Jefferson, Tatum and Giles as likely starters. The freshmen will have to play defense to maintain that role. It is probably up in the air as to whether Jones starts. The real issue will be to find a consistent PG. Jackson has a chance at that role as does Kennard. Jones is a good defender but not so much a PG or a guy that can create his own shot. Whichever player starts the others will be getting solid PT. I see Bolden as a sub for Jefferson and Jeter for Giles, but a lot of fluidity there based on performance. A lot will depend on how quickly guys pick up defensive skills and rebounding. Beyond them, the others will have to work and improve to see any or much PT. Maybe there will be positive surprises with Delaurier, White and Vrank. Stranger things have happened. Obi's physical condition may keep him out of contributing in any meaningful way.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Boston, MA
    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    Starters

    Player: Minutes

    Harry Giles: 28
    Amile Jefferson: 28
    Matt Jones: 27
    Grayson Allen: 32
    Jayson Tatum: 29

    Bench

    Luke Kennard: 24
    Marques Bolden: 16
    Frank Jackson: 11
    Chase Jeter: 4

    This is pretty new territory. Not sure we've had a team this deep, like, EVER. This team has nine 5-star kids. I was looking at the 98-99 team, and this team still has more highly rated guys. However, I still think it'll become an 8 man rotation, even if it means a really talented kid isn't playing much.
    Come on kaZe, where is Jack White?

    Hey, we'll always have that!
    Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things. - Winston Churchill

    President of the "Nolan Smith Should Have His Jersey in The Rafters" Club

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Quote Originally Posted by flyingdutchdevil View Post
    Come on kaZe, where is Jack White?

    Hey, we'll always have that!
    I'm not taking the bait!

    There's no way I'm going to find my posts from the tremendously long 2016 recruiting thread, but if he doesn't get rotation minutes by year 3 (2018-19), I'll concede the win to you.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Boston, MA
    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    Starters

    Player: Minutes

    Harry Giles: 28
    Amile Jefferson: 28
    Matt Jones: 27
    Grayson Allen: 32
    Jayson Tatum: 29

    Bench

    Luke Kennard: 24
    Marques Bolden: 16
    Frank Jackson: 11
    Chase Jeter: 4

    This is pretty new territory. Not sure we've had a team this deep, like, EVER. This team has nine 5-star kids. I was looking at the 98-99 team, and this team still has more highly rated guys. However, I still think it'll become an 8 man rotation, even if it means a really talented kid isn't playing much.
    Without going deep into second differences (rather than minute differences), pretty much agree. I think Jackson gets more minutes, Jones gets less, Giles less (due to easing him back), Tatum more.

    8 man rotation? Tough to argue with that.
    Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things. - Winston Churchill

    President of the "Nolan Smith Should Have His Jersey in The Rafters" Club

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Forest Hills, NY
    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    Here it is! Our roster for next year:

    #0 Jayson Tatum 6-8 F
    #1 Harry Giles 6-10 F/C
    #2 Chase Jeter 6-10 C
    #3 Grayson Allen 6-4 G
    #5 Luke Kennard 6-5 G
    #12 Javin Montgomery-DeLaurier 6-8 F
    #13 Matt Jones 6-5 G/F
    #15 Frank Jackson 6-3 G
    #21 Amile Jefferson 6-9 F
    #30 Antonio Vrankovic 7-0 C
    #34 Sean Obi 6-9 C
    #41 Jack White 6-8 F
    #45 Nick Pagliuca 6-3 G
    #50 Justin Robinson 6-8 F
    #53 Brennan Besser 6-5 G

    And . . .

    Marques Bolden 6-10 F/C

    Let the speculation commence.
    Not a direct minutes thing, but we have 10 (!) guys at or over 6'8", and 4 at or over 6'10". Wow

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    Quote Originally Posted by Saratoga2 View Post
    I do see Allen, Jefferson, Tatum and Giles as likely starters. The freshmen will have to play defense to maintain that role. It is probably up in the air as to whether Jones starts.
    Matt Jones brings a lot to the table. He's experienced, likely to be a captain, plays good on-ball defense, knows the system, and Coach K loves him. If he's not a starter, things must be going very well for the good guys. I can easily see GA handling the ball on offense in many (most?) situations, which makes room.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    By February it will be a 7-8 man rotation, at most..........kidding folks, just kidding.

  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by duke74 View Post
    Not a direct minutes thing, but we have 10 (!) guys at or over 6'8", and 4 at or over 6'10". Wow
    Well, except every report I can find on Jack White says he's 6'7", but nine guys at or over 6'8" is still pretty good.

  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by TKG View Post
    By February it will be a 7-8 man rotation, at most...kidding folks, just kidding.
    It's possible it will end up a 7-man rotation, if Jayson Tatum ends up playing primarily at PF. More likely it will be an 8-man rotation, with three bigs and five perimeter guys (including Jayson).

    But if Chase Jeter ends the summer vastly improved, I think there's a possibility that K goes outside his comfort zone and plays nine guys regularly (in non-garbage time situations). It would essentially be unprecedented but, as others have pointed out, this year's very deep team is even deeper (both qualitatively and quantitatively) than other teams that we thought at the time were very deep (but turned out not to be).

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Forest Hills, NY
    Quote Originally Posted by Kedsy View Post
    Well, except every report I can find on Jack White says he's 6'7", but nine guys at or over 6'8" is still pretty good.
    Although I was an auditor for 38 years, I didn't audit this. I relied on the OP's representations of height.

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by kAzE View Post
    Starters

    Player: Minutes

    Harry Giles: 28
    Amile Jefferson: 28
    Matt Jones: 27
    Grayson Allen: 32
    Jayson Tatum: 29

    Bench

    Luke Kennard: 24
    Marques Bolden: 16
    Frank Jackson: 11
    Chase Jeter: 4

    This is pretty new territory. Not sure we've had a team this deep, like, EVER. This team has nine 5-star kids. I was looking at the 98-99 team, and this team still has more highly rated guys. However, I still think it'll become an 8 man rotation, even if it means a really talented kid isn't playing much.
    Jackson is too good to only get 11 minutes a game.

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Steamboat Springs, CO
    • Nine-man rotation -- take it to the bank. Similar to the rotation in Elton Brand's two years. Check it out.
    • Chase Jeter will play, although he won't start. He was contributing significantly by the end of the season, and productive players never go to the end of the bench at Duke. He's in the mix.
    • Who's gonna be defensive stoppers other than Amile and Matt Jones? Grayson and Luke will help, but what about the others? When it comes to freshmen, you gotta "show me." We are counting on Tatum, Giles, Bolden and Jackson as part of the rotation. Duke team defense is hard to learn. The distribution of minutes after mid-January may be quite different than in the first half of the season.
    • Surprise of the upcoming season? Luke Kennard makes second-team All-ACC.


    Enough predictions for now
    Sage Grouse

    ---------------------------------------
    'When I got on the bus for my first road game at Duke, I saw that every player was carrying textbooks or laptops. I coached in the SEC for 25 years, and I had never seen that before, not even once.' - David Cutcliffe to Duke alumni in Washington, DC, June 2013

Similar Threads

  1. Football 2016 Thread
    By Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15 in forum Elizabeth King Forum
    Replies: 522
    Last Post: 11-14-2016, 12:02 AM
  2. 2015-2016 NBA D League Thread
    By awhom111 in forum Elizabeth King Forum
    Replies: 163
    Last Post: 08-20-2016, 03:26 AM
  3. 2016 Basketball Recruiting Thread
    By Ichabod Drain in forum Elizabeth King Forum
    Replies: 3515
    Last Post: 08-01-2016, 11:01 PM
  4. 2015-16 Minutes Discussion
    By uh_no in forum Elizabeth King Forum
    Replies: 221
    Last Post: 03-25-2016, 08:34 PM
  5. 2015-2016 Announcer Thread
    By MChambers in forum Elizabeth King Forum
    Replies: 80
    Last Post: 03-24-2016, 02:40 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •