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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by WhippleSchnopple View Post
    "(including most of the Carolina team and Roy Williams) has stated that it wasn't intentional..."

    Carolina's company line is pretty gracious, and it's undoubtedly not how some over there truly feel, but it serves the conference and rivalry far better than some of the things we've heard uttered so far.

    As for Henderson, there's a whole lot of shuffling about the definition of intent going on. Not many rational people would say that he intended to drive his forearm into Hansbrough's nose. But not many rational people would say that he did not intend to create a violent collision, which ultimately resulted in lots of blood. Personally, I feel that there's no place in the sport for violence, and that what Henderson perpetrated was indeed violent. I have a hard time believing that anybody could reasonably refute that unless they felt they had something to protect.
    All fans feel like they have something to protect, right or wrong --- the more glorious the history/tradition, the more prickly the fans; so, as a UNC fan, please spare us...

    I mean: "I feel that there's no place in the sport for violence" ?? (Way to take a stand on a controversial topic.)

    Now, to my point:

    Well, Henderson has attempted several aggressive blocks this year --- taking full swings at the ball. It's not advisable, because even if he manages a clean block the ball ends up out of bounds and the officials are prone to call a foul even if Henderson manages not to make contact.

    In light of that, I think Henderson wanted to make an emphatic block and possibly commit a hard foul to prevent a dunk. It's unfortunate that the play ended like it did, but it's the type of play Henderson has attempted in other games. Thus, I'm inclined to believe that he was trying to make a play on the ball, the ball was knocked loose, and he simply reacted to that in real-time.

    I also think it's tenable that Henderson had a temporary lapse in judgment as the ball changed paths. I liken it to the Clemons/Piazza incident a couple of years ago. Recall: Piazza breaks his bat on an inside pitch; the barrel of the bat ended up at the mound, and then in a bit of a what-was-he-thinking moment, Clemons threw the severed bat back at Piazza. I think Clemons just reacted and did a very bizarre thing. He really could never explain it.

    I think it's possible that Gerald was going up to take a hard swing at the ball; the ball was no longer there, and he reacted by not exactly trying to hit Tyler, but not exactly trying to hard to miss him either. (Not something for Gerald or Duke fans to be proud of, but not necessarily indicative of GH's character...) It also happened in a split second, which can be easy to forget when bombarded with slow-motion replays and still shots.

    So, if true, Duke fans will gladly forgive GH and UNC fans will try and ram it down our throats... Thus, the search back for UNC transgressions: Tyler punched a State player, Noel slammed Deng (Hey, if I can't even remember the play, I have a hard time believing it was *that* bad...), that dude who transferred from Wake to Michigan to UNC doing something questionable... Whatever. At this point, it just seems inevitable that it has to play out this way.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by WhippleSchnopple View Post
    "But not many rational people would say that he did not intend to create a violent collision, which ultimately resulted in lots of blood. Personally, I feel that there's no place in the sport for violence, and that what Henderson perpetrated was indeed violent. I have a hard time believing that anybody could reasonably refute that unless they felt they had something to protect.

    Rational people can easily say there was no intention to create a violent collision. It's perfectly rational to say he was trying to block the ball (since he was). Noses and even quite minor scalp wounds tend to bleed a bit. This certainly makes for a more dramatic visual, but these injuries are typically less dangerous than concussions.

    With that in mind, it's perfectly rational to note the Deng collision. Noel may not have intended to injure but he did. And there was no foul called.

    No blood no foul. Lots of blood, flagrant foul. So be it.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by dball View Post
    Rational people can easily say there was no intention to create a violent collision. It's perfectly rational to say he was trying to block the ball (since he was). Noses and even quite minor scalp wounds tend to bleed a bit. This certainly makes for a more dramatic visual, but these injuries are typically less dangerous than concussions.

    With that in mind, it's perfectly rational to note the Deng collision. Noel may not have intended to injure but he did. And there was no foul called.

    No blood no foul. Lots of blood, flagrant foul. So be it.
    I'm surely not going to convince you of the difference in these two events. FWIW, I thought former Duke player Jay Bilas put it better than just about anyone on the radio the other day.

  4. #24
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    Feb 2007
    Okay, one arm does look flexed but the other does NOT, even the hand is open. As for the legs, the only way to see if they are flexed is to watch body builders show their muscles, not sure how you get a guy in the air is flexing his leg muscles?

    In taking a look at two videos, on YouTube, from different angles you get two different stories.

    One video, from behind Tyler does look like Henderson led with the elbow but that is because Henderson in that video looks like he came out of no where.

    The other video, from the angle of this picture, shows me Henderson went up with the idea that he would meet Tyler at the rim but when Tyler didn't get up Henderson was caught out of position.

    When ever I've seen an intentional foul, the fouler usually likes to stay watching the player they fouled to see the damage that was done but in this case Henderson did not, it appears he looked at the ref to see who the foul was called on (Henderson turns his back to Tyler - would you do that if you knew you might have hurt they guy?). I believe someone (#51) may have fouled Tyler, keeping him from getting up to the rim thus causing the whole play to change, unfortunately for Henderson. The Camera guy even thought Tyler was going up such that you don't see Tyler lower half of his body.

    Remember when Melo tried to throw a punch at that player earlier this year? Melo tried to get out of the place but he never turned his back to the guy, not something one does if they intentionally wanted to hurt someone. Thus, I don't think Henderson "flexed" his arms and legs to inflict harm.

    Are you watching guys flexing their muscles a little too much?
    Last edited by JBDuke; 03-07-2007 at 12:12 PM.

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