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  1. #1
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    FSU Scandal Thread - Jameis in Jeopardy?

    Reports coming today that FSU Compliance is investigating the substantial number of autographed items authenticated by the autograph dealer linked to suspended Georgia running back Todd Gurley.

    Fisher then told reporters he wasn't concerned that an autograph authentication business, which recently was linked to suspended Georgia running back Todd Gurley, also was linked to Winston.

    James Spence Authentication certified more than 500 autographs of Gurley, who is being investigated for allegedly taking money for signings.

    A cursory search on JSA's website found more than 340 certified Winston autographs.
    This comes on the heels of the news that Winston will be facing an ad hoc hearing to determine whether he violated the school's code of student conduct in relation to an alleged sexual assault in December 2012. This in turns follows a Fox Sports report that FSU university officials and Tallahassee police hampered the investigation into the December 2012 incident by, among other things, providing police reports to university athletic officials and Winston's attorney days before the reports were provided to the local prosecutor.

    Also this week the New York Times reviewed the sometimes checkered relationship between FSU football and Tallahassee criminal justice.

    When Jesus (Bobo) Wilson, an up-and-coming wide receiver, was stopped by the Tallahassee police in June while riding a stolen Bintelli Sprint motor scooter, his story was dubious: He claimed he had borrowed it from a student whose last name he did not know. But for Officer Michael Petroczky, it was convincing enough to forestall an arrest.

    The officer, noting in his report that Mr. Wilson was a Florida State football player, wrote: “Wilson was not arrested today because he cooperated, showed no signs of guilt and provided a plausible story that needs to be investigated.”

    According to the scooter’s owner, Mr. Wilson’s football connections weighed heavily on the case. After letting Mr. Wilson go, the officer arranged to meet the owner, a Florida State student, in a campus parking lot at night and “questioned if I was mentally stable or if I had forgotten that I lent him the scooter,” the student said in an email interview. The officer seemed deeply reluctant to charge Mr. Wilson, saying he did not want his name on the arrest report, according to the student.

    “He told me that he had not arrested Wilson because he was a football player, and he did not want to ‘ruin’ his record by arresting him” if there was a chance he might be innocent, the student wrote.
    So...all that is happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    Reports coming today that FSU Compliance is investigating the substantial number of autographed items authenticated by the autograph dealer linked to suspended Georgia running back Todd Gurley.



    This comes on the heels of the news that Winston will be facing an ad hoc hearing to determine whether he violated the school's code of student conduct in relation to an alleged sexual assault in December 2012. This in turns follows a Fox Sports report that FSU university officials and Tallahassee police hampered the investigation into the December 2012 incident by, among other things, providing police reports to university athletic officials and Winston's attorney days before the reports were provided to the local prosecutor.

    Also this week the New York Times reviewed the sometimes checkered relationship between FSU football and Tallahassee criminal justice.



    So...all that is happening.

    WOW. This kid is either a really bad apple, or the unluckiest person on the planet. Seems like a new accusation everytime an old one dies down a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by left_hook_lacey View Post

    WOW. This kid is either a really bad apple, or the unluckiest person on the planet. Seems like a new accusation everytime an old one dies down a bit.

    Let's not overlook the third possibility of "breathtakingly immature."

    As much as Fisher is trying to stick up for Winston now, Fisher's eyeroll when Winston came out of the locker room dressed in full uniform and pads for the Clemson game -- the game for which Winston was suspended -- said it all. In that moment, you could practically hear Fisher saying to himself, "Wow, I really am dealing with one of the dumbest human beings alive."

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    I do not care if Winston made infinite dollars off his autographs.



    FSU's hearing of the sexual assault case is another example of universities thinking that they are better able to legislate certain legal issues than the court system. The guy was never even charged, let alone convicted of this crime, why the hell does Florida State University think they can do things better. If he did do it, then I want him punished in a legal setting by people whose job it is to do it, not by an educational institution. It is also ridiculous that he has to be treated differently than other students. I thought that was what schools and the NCAA want to avoid? The hypocrisy of it all baffles me. I understand that they have to do something based on Title IX. But schools need to leave investigations and court-like procedures up to the legal system when it comes to legal matters. It is just infuriating to me that schools think they can operate outside the judicial system. Duke has done it on several occasions and has cost themselves millions of dollars in legal fees and out of court settlements because of their stupidity, other institutions do the same thing, and it just makes no sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukehky View Post
    I do not care if Winston made infinite dollars off his autographs.



    FSU's hearing of the sexual assault case is another example of universities thinking that they are better able to legislate certain legal issues than the court system. The guy was never even charged, let alone convicted of this crime, why the hell does Florida State University think they can do things better. If he did do it, then I want him punished in a legal setting by people whose job it is to do it, not by an educational institution. It is also ridiculous that he has to be treated differently than other students. I thought that was what schools and the NCAA want to avoid? The hypocrisy of it all baffles me. I understand that they have to do something based on Title IX. But schools need to leave investigations and court-like procedures up to the legal system when it comes to legal matters. It is just infuriating to me that schools think they can operate outside the judicial system. Duke has done it on several occasions and has cost themselves millions of dollars in legal fees and out of court settlements because of their stupidity, other institutions do the same thing, and it just makes no sense to me.
    FSU is similar to Duke apparently in having a policy for sexual assault tribunals where the accused is not allowed some of the normal due process rights we expect in US court proceedings, including a right to independent legal counsel. I am very interested to see how this plays out in the Winston case as he has a lawyer and the lawyer is apparently trying to challenge this construct. Most college students charged in these types of cases do not have the resources to truly challenge this like Winston will probably be able to.

    tOSU has a case in this area right now where they may have to pony up some big bucks in the marching band director case. Reading between the lawsuit filed on line, it seems like tOSU got on the hot seat with the Feds task force that is coming after the way universities handle sexual assualt reporting, etc. In order to get the feds to back off, they needed to find a way to show the feds how tough they are on this issue so they made an example of the marching band director. If you believe half of what the band directors lawyers have published, tOSU is in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom B. View Post
    Let's not overlook the third possibility of "breathtakingly immature.""
    Good point. The "yelling terrible things across the quad" incident after already dealing with other allegations lends itself to your theory.

    It just takes some guys longer to "get it". Some never do. Time will tell for Mr. Winston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by left_hook_lacey View Post
    Good point. The "yelling terrible things across the quad" incident after already dealing with other allegations lends itself to your theory.

    It just takes some guys longer to "get it". Some never do. Time will tell for Mr. Winston.
    Generally one has to suffer actual repercussions to "get it."

    Which explains a lot in Winston's case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    Reports coming today that FSU Compliance is investigating the substantial number of autographed items authenticated by the autograph dealer linked to suspended Georgia running back Todd Gurley.



    This comes on the heels of the news that Winston will be facing an ad hoc hearing to determine whether he violated the school's code of student conduct in relation to an alleged sexual assault in December 2012. This in turns follows a Fox Sports report that FSU university officials and Tallahassee police hampered the investigation into the December 2012 incident by, among other things, providing police reports to university athletic officials and Winston's attorney days before the reports were provided to the local prosecutor.

    Also this week the New York Times reviewed the sometimes checkered relationship between FSU football and Tallahassee criminal justice.

    So...all that is happening.
    I'm generally opposed to paying college athletes but football is a vastly different than basketball. Gurley and Winston, like Manziel last year, had already proven themselves to the NFL at least a year before their third season. Those guys could really only hurt their draft stock by playing an additional year of college. Likewise for Clowney last year. Marcus Lattimore may very well have suffered a career ending injury his junior year. I think it's just a matter of time before guys like Clowney or Gurley sit out the third year, sign some endorsement deals and wait for the draft. Rules are rules so Gurley and possibly Winston should suffer the consequences but I think the courts should really be looking at the NFL and NBA for anti-trust violations more so than the NCAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotusland View Post
    I'm generally opposed to paying college athletes but football is a vastly different than basketball. Gurley and Winston, like Manziel last year, had already proven themselves to the NFL at least a year before their third season. Those guys could really only hurt their draft stock by playing an additional year of college. Likewise for Clowney last year. Marcus Lattimore may very well have suffered a career ending injury his junior year. I think it's just a matter of time before guys like Clowney or Gurley sit out the third year, sign some endorsement deals and wait for the draft. Rules are rules so Gurley and possibly Winston should suffer the consequences but I think the courts should really be looking at the NFL and NBA for anti-trust violations more so than the NCAA.
    too bad Manziel can't prove himself to the NFL now :P
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    They got Al Capone on tax evasion, not the St Valentines Day massacre

    Go for it

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    When coupled with the list found in Duvall's post, last year's assault accusation, and the crab misplacement, Winston's issues are an athletic Pollock painting: Where does it begin and end? Which stroke was the tipping point? Where does one focus their eye? How did it get so big?

    Winston also tends to remind me of Murphy's murder in Robocop. Watching the scene play out, the shots just keep coming, the kill shot seems to happen over and over again, yet Murphy survives, he perseveres, until being encased in the protective shell of his helmet, torso protector, powerful boots with grips on the bottom, and the awe-inspiring weapon found in his arm.

    Everyone in the film rooted for Robocop, willingly excusing his violent assaults and thoughtless actions, so long as at the end, the corrupt, and heartless all-powering corporation could remain in control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluegrassdevil1 View Post
    When coupled with the list found in Duvall's post, last year's assault accusation, and the crab misplacement, Winston's issues are an athletic Pollock painting: Where does it begin and end? Which stroke was the tipping point? Where does one focus their eye? How did it get so big?

    Winston also tends to remind me of Murphy's murder in Robocop. Watching the scene play out, the shots just keep coming, the kill shot seems to happen over and over again, yet Murphy survives, he perseveres, until being encased in the protective shell of his helmet, torso protector, powerful boots with grips on the bottom, and the awe-inspiring weapon found in his arm.

    Everyone in the film rooted for Robocop, willingly excusing his violent assaults and thoughtless actions, so long as at the end, the corrupt, and heartless all-powering corporation could remain in control.
    You win... something... for figuring out how to reference both Jackson Pollock and Robocop in the same post about Jameis Winston. Nicely done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvall View Post
    Reports coming today that FSU Compliance is investigating the substantial number of autographed items authenticated by the autograph dealer linked to suspended Georgia running back Todd Gurley.



    This comes on the heels of the news that Winston will be facing an ad hoc hearing to determine whether he violated the school's code of student conduct in relation to an alleged sexual assault in December 2012. This in turns follows a Fox Sports report that FSU university officials and Tallahassee police hampered the investigation into the December 2012 incident by, among other things, providing police reports to university athletic officials and Winston's attorney days before the reports were provided to the local prosecutor.

    Also this week the New York Times reviewed the sometimes checkered relationship between FSU football and Tallahassee criminal justice.



    So...all that is happening.
    And yet it is and shall remain F$U, and unless we find out that Jameis is actually a basketball player and not a football player, we know how this ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msdukie View Post
    And yet it is and shall remain F$U, and unless we find out that Jameis is actually a basketball player and not a football player, we know how this ends.
    Yes. He would be forced to sit out a baseball game.
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    Winston obviously never took any money for signatures. The poor guy has to shoplift crab legs to eat, for Pete's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldPhiKap View Post
    Winston obviously never took any money for signatures. The poor guy has to shoplift crab legs to eat, for Pete's sake.
    He also has to supplement his diet with squirrel meat:

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...et-gun-in-2012

    And steal soda from Burger King:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/co...icle-1.1801658

    Poor fella.

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    Jesus "Bobo" Wilson is quite a name.

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    So...

    Now that it has come to light that FSU was likely complicit in a degree of covering up Mr. Winston's transgressions... there will be an internal disciplinary hearing at FSU? Are they going to slap him on the wrist for (among a laundry list of other things)... allowing the school to perform a cover up?

    This is turning into a really sordid mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain_Devil_91_92_01_10 View Post
    So...

    Now that it has come to light that FSU was likely complicit in a degree of covering up Mr. Winston's transgressions... there will be an internal disciplinary hearing at FSU? Are they going to slap him on the wrist for (among a laundry list of other things)... allowing the school to perform a cover up?

    This is turning into a really sordid mess.
    Nah. No chance. But, if we were to suddenly find out he was not attending his upper level seminar classes and/or having someone compose his end-of-semester paper, then, and only then might we have a (potentially) serious problem.

    Couldn't possibly happen. Or could it?
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    What is, FSU will get off scott-free, duh? I'll take Scandalicious Football Cover-ups for $800, Alex.

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