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    Featherston, not JD King

    My handy-dandy literary style analysis doohickey machine believes that Al Featherston is the author of "Duke's Greaest Class?" and not our esteemed host, JD King.

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    The author of that article is definitely Al Featherston. It is a really enjoyable read with the discussion of Denton, Katherman and DeVenzio being a trip down Memory Lane as I spent countless hours in my backyard shooting jump shots, while pretending I was Rick Katherman. And it is Katherman with a K.
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    To Pick of Nits

    At the beginning of the article it stated Tyus Jones is the top rated point guard in the class. That is true if you only look at ESPN or PrepStars rankings. Overall on RSCI though, Mudiay is the top rated point guard and number two overall rated player.

    I say this so if/when Tyus proves to be a better player we can bemoan the recruiting services even more (Jabari Parker behind Aaron Harrison LOL)

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    More nits

    Great memories - thanks.

    Of course, it was not Fred Bearcat, but Barakat. And Sunny Jim Fitzsimmons was not from Boston, although he did leave Duke over Christmas break and resurfaced at Harvard. Jim was from Fairfield, Connecticut, where he played at Fairfield Prep and broke most of Calvin Murphy's state and New England scoring records.

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    I remember those recruiting classes quite well, especially the Denton class and the Dawson/Melchionni et al class...ultimately Hubie Brown gave me a crash course in recruiting, which was WAY different back then.
    There were very few "experts" back then...Howard Garfinkel was by far the most noted authority, and he didn't have a whole lot of competition.
    One reason I would emphasize as to why some of "the best" classes or players didn't work out as expected back then was that the summer camp
    scene wasn't nearly as big or evolved as it is now. I'd assert as a consequence that many of the purported "best" players were white kids...they tended to have more visibility and hype.
    Black kids did not have as much opportunity to compete head on since there were far fewer camps and AAU events in which they could show their stuff.

    Take a look at those two highly touted classes, and you'll find 10 pretty good basketball players, but not a single African American one.
    Needless to say, talent just wasn't as accurately assessed back then (not to imply it's flawless now...but it's a whole lot better than it used to be).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaytoc View Post
    Great memories - thanks.

    Of course, it was not Fred Bearcat, but Barakat. And Sunny Jim Fitzsimmons was not from Boston, although he did leave Duke over Christmas break and resurfaced at Harvard. Jim was from Fairfield, Connecticut, where he played at Fairfield Prep and broke most of Calvin Murphy's state and New England scoring records.
    It's obvious that Al has a "K" problem: "Catherman" and "Bearcat." Sounds like the Coach is not only sucking up all the oxygen in the room but all the K's as well.

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    funny... as I read the article, I thought, "this has to be featherston." it's kinda like picking up a Dave Eggers novel and reading Philip Roth. Both excellent, but different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Green View Post
    The author of that article is definitely Al Featherston. It is a really enjoyable read with the discussion of Denton, Katherman and DeVenzio being a trip down Memory Lane as I spent countless hours in my backyard shooting jump shots, while pretending I was Rick Katherman. And it is Katherman with a K.
    You pretended to be Rick Katherman? Was Bob Verga taken?

    Dream big or don't dream at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    You pretended to be Rick Katherman? Was Bob Verga taken?

    Dream big or don't dream at all.
    See, another person that like Rick. But I did pretend to be the guy from Seagirt, NJ. At least I think that's where Verga was from. GoDuke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jv001 View Post
    See, another person that like Rick. But I did pretend to be the guy from Seagirt, NJ. At least I think that's where Verga was from. GoDuke!
    I was at Duke when Katherman played. The joke was, he is 6-7 but shoots like he's 6-2. But he's 6-7 and rebounds like he's 6-2.

    But the Springfield Rifle could sure fill it up. The 3-point shot would have elevated his profile quite a bit.

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    I was at Duke when Katherman played. The joke was, he is 6-7 but shoots like he's 6-2. But he's 6-7 and rebounds like he's 6-2.

    But the Springfield Rifle could sure fill it up. The 3-point shot would have elevated his profile quite a bit.
    He loved the corner. He had a quick trigger.

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    Katherman from the corner

    Quote Originally Posted by Indoor66 View Post
    He loved the corner. He had a quick trigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    I was at Duke when Katherman played. The joke was, he is 6-7 but shoots like he's 6-2. But he's 6-7 and rebounds like he's 6-2.

    But the Springfield Rifle could sure fill it up. The 3-point shot would have elevated his profile quite a bit.
    Alas, Rick was the Manchester Rifle, not the Springfield rifle. Flattest corner shot I've ever seen, though far from the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwom View Post
    Alas, Rick was the Manchester Rifle, not the Springfield rifle. Flattest corner shot I've ever seen, though far from the worst.
    Ah, Manchester. Thanks.

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    I was a member of that ’67 entry class with Denton, Katherman, DeVenzio (see my avatar), and Featherston. One thing that Al didn’t mention that I think contributed to that basketball class not living up to its high expectations was the social/political turmoil of the time that really rocked the campus. By 1969 one had to be a total recluse not to be impacted in some way by the events on campus, in the country and around the world. There were plenty of things happening on campus to distract one’s attention – way beyond the “normal” distractions. Also, Bucky Waters succeeded the great Vic Bubas as head coach in ’69-’70 and was rumored to have little tolerance for the “free thinking” of the time. Rumors also circulated that DeVenzio wasn’t thrilled with Waters. I don’t know the truth of these rumors – it may have been pure speculation that fueled them, but it’s certainly true that changing coaches, with their inevitably different coaching philosophies was bound to have some impact on the production of some players, thus explaining some inability to meet the expectations for the incoming class in ’67.


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    P.S. Can’t believe Al spelled Katherman with a “C!”)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey Devil View Post
    I was a member of that ’67 entry class with Denton, Katherman, DeVenzio (see my avatar), and Featherston. One thing that Al didn’t mention that I think contributed to that basketball class not living up to its high expectations was the social/political turmoil of the time that really rocked the campus. By 1969 one had to be a total recluse not to be impacted in some way by the events on campus, in the country and around the world. There were plenty of things happening on campus to distract one’s attention – way beyond the “normal” distractions. Also, Bucky Waters succeeded the great Vic Bubas as head coach in ’69-’70 and was rumored to have little tolerance for the “free thinking” of the time. Rumors also circulated that DeVenzio wasn’t thrilled with Waters. I don’t know the truth of these rumors – it may have been pure speculation that fueled them, but it’s certainly true that changing coaches, with their inevitably different coaching philosophies was bound to have some impact on the production of some players, thus explaining some inability to meet the expectations for the incoming class in ’67.


    Grey Devil


    P.S. Can’t believe Al spelled Katherman with a “C!”)
    Indeed, Bucky wasn't able to relate to many of his players. Suffice it to say, it wasn't a rumor, a lot of them didn't like Bucky at all and an astonishing percentage of them transferred...perhaps as
    many as ten: just off the top of my head, O'Connor, Fitzsimmons and Dawson from one class Al highlighted, then Don Blackmon, Dave Elmer, Ron Righter, the list goes on and on...and if I had a decent
    memory I'd list a few more.

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    The Turmoid of the 60's?

    Grey Devil-

    I think you make a very fair point, although the members of that class ('71) pretty much stuck it out to the end.

    My entering class, '69, not so much. Fitz left at the halfway point of his freshman year, leading that exciting and very talented team in scoring - I think all five freshman were averaging in double figures at the time. It's hard to believe that a highly recruited athlete experiencing great success with a top class program would leave after one semester simply because he wanted to be closer to home - but I don't recall any suggested causes of his departure.

    Dawson left after his second season. I remember that he was playing a fair amount and contributing significantly. Why did he leave?

    O'Connor, who left late in our junior year, was the one player seemingly most outwardly frustrated with Bucky. But that doesn't mean he was alone, and I suspect Bucky had something to do with either or both of Fitzsimmons' and Dawson's leaving.

    Alan Shaw appeared the most easy going and able to deal with a martinet as a coach - just my take from afar. Probably the same for Mel - those two seemed less intense than their classmates, enjoyed the non-basketball aspects of college life, and probably look back on Duke basketball with measures of satisfaction and pride, as they should.

    Did the turmoil of the times contribute to the dissolution of that freshman class? Probably at least contributed. Was Bucky the predominant cause? Most likely. Sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll? Sure. If anyone has a better idea of what broke up that team, please weigh in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaytoc View Post
    Grey Devil-

    I think you make a very fair point, although the members of that class ('71) pretty much stuck it out to the end.

    My entering class, '69, not so much. Fitz left at the halfway point of his freshman year, leading that exciting and very talented team in scoring - I think all five freshman were averaging in double figures at the time. It's hard to believe that a highly recruited athlete experiencing great success with a top class program would leave after one semester simply because he wanted to be closer to home - but I don't recall any suggested causes of his departure.

    Dawson left after his second season. I remember that he was playing a fair amount and contributing significantly. Why did he leave?

    O'Connor, who left late in our junior year, was the one player seemingly most outwardly frustrated with Bucky. But that doesn't mean he was alone, and I suspect Bucky had something to do with either or both of Fitzsimmons' and Dawson's leaving.

    Alan Shaw appeared the most easy going and able to deal with a martinet as a coach - just my take from afar. Probably the same for Mel - those two seemed less intense than their classmates, enjoyed the non-basketball aspects of college life, and probably look back on Duke basketball with measures of satisfaction and pride, as they should.

    Did the turmoil of the times contribute to the dissolution of that freshman class? Probably at least contributed. Was Bucky the predominant cause? Most likely. Sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll? Sure. If anyone has a better idea of what broke up that team, please weigh in.
    Fitzsimmons left after his freshman season. So, he never played for Bucky Waters. Same with Sam May, from the next class, a freshman who went home for Christmas break and never came back.

    Blackmon had academic troubles.

    Dawson started most of his sophomore season but lost PT to Melchionni late that season. A blend of PT, home-sick and Bucky-fatigue, methinks. He ended up at Illinois and was pretty good.

    O'Connor left in the middle of his junior season, when he was averaging over 15 ppg and had just been named ACC POY for his performance in an epic upset win over Carolina.

    O'Connor was quite outspoken in his distaste for Waters. I'm pretty sure the sentiment was returned.

    Elmer had the strangest departure. He was a sophomore, who had played quite well on the freshman team, once scoring 40 against Burleson. He lost his starting spot just before the opener. He dressed out, was sitting on the bench. Bucky turned to him to send him in and Elmer refused to go. He basically quit during the middle of a game. He apparently was under the impression that he could salvage a semester's worth of eligibility by not going in. He couldn't.

    He transferred to Miami of Ohio, where he was a good but not great player. But Miami did stun UNC in Carmichael during his tenure there, so he got one more win at Chapel Hill then every single player who suited up for Duke in the 1970s and much of the 1980s.

    DeVenzio and Waters also did not see eye-to-eye, in large part for basketball reasons. DeVenzio averaged 12.2 ppg as a soph, under Bubas. Waters wanted his point guards to shoot less and DeVenzio wasn't happy about it. But DeVenzio was a very, very bright guy and he valued the Duke degree enough to stick around.

    There definitely was a generational/cultural divide going on. It was interesting times. A number of the players who stuck around have told me they think the guys that left were whiny and spoiled. I'm sure the guys that left feel otherwise.

    Waters has suggested to me that he might have come down a bit harsher than was prudent. My words not his. But I think it's safe to say he's mellowed.

    But too late to save the mid-70s. Students held up "Fire Bucky" signs. It was not pleasant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaytoc View Post
    Grey Devil-

    I think you make a very fair point, although the members of that class ('71) pretty much stuck it out to the end.

    My entering class, '69, not so much. Fitz left at the halfway point of his freshman year, leading that exciting and very talented team in scoring - I think all five freshman were averaging in double figures at the time. It's hard to believe that a highly recruited athlete experiencing great success with a top class program would leave after one semester simply because he wanted to be closer to home - but I don't recall any suggested causes of his departure.

    Dawson left after his second season. I remember that he was playing a fair amount and contributing significantly. Why did he leave?

    O'Connor, who left late in our junior year, was the one player seemingly most outwardly frustrated with Bucky. But that doesn't mean he was alone, and I suspect Bucky had something to do with either or both of Fitzsimmons' and Dawson's leaving.

    Alan Shaw appeared the most easy going and able to deal with a martinet as a coach - just my take from afar. Probably the same for Mel - those two seemed less intense than their classmates, enjoyed the non-basketball aspects of college life, and probably look back on Duke basketball with measures of satisfaction and pride, as they should.

    Did the turmoil of the times contribute to the dissolution of that freshman class? Probably at least contributed. Was Bucky the predominant cause? Most likely. Sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll? Sure. If anyone has a better idea of what broke up that team, please weigh in.
    Somebody should ask Bucky. He's visible enough.
    Man, if your Mom made you wear that color when you were a baby, and you're still wearing it, it's time to grow up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimsumner View Post
    Fitzsimmons left after his freshman season. So, he never played for Bucky Waters. Same with Sam May, from the next class, a freshman who went home for Christmas break and never came back.

    Blackmon had academic troubles.

    Dawson started most of his sophomore season but lost PT to Melchionni late that season. A blend of PT, home-sick and Bucky-fatigue, methinks. He ended up at Illinois and was pretty good.

    O'Connor left in the middle of his junior season, when he was averaging over 15 ppg and had just been named ACC POY for his performance in an epic upset win over Carolina.

    O'Connor was quite outspoken in his distaste for Waters. I'm pretty sure the sentiment was returned.

    Elmer had the strangest departure. He was a sophomore, who had played quite well on the freshman team, once scoring 40 against Burleson. He lost his starting spot just before the opener. He dressed out, was sitting on the bench. Bucky turned to him to send him in and Elmer refused to go. He basically quit during the middle of a game. He apparently was under the impression that he could salvage a semester's worth of eligibility by not going in. He couldn't.

    He transferred to Miami of Ohio, where he was a good but not great player. But Miami did stun UNC in Carmichael during his tenure there, so he got one more win at Chapel Hill then every single player who suited up for Duke in the 1970s and much of the 1980s.

    DeVenzio and Waters also did not see eye-to-eye, in large part for basketball reasons. DeVenzio averaged 12.2 ppg as a soph, under Bubas. Waters wanted his point guards to shoot less and DeVenzio wasn't happy about it. But DeVenzio was a very, very bright guy and he valued the Duke degree enough to stick around.

    There definitely was a generational/cultural divide going on. It was interesting times. A number of the players who stuck around have told me they think the guys that left were whiny and spoiled. I'm sure the guys that left feel otherwise.

    Waters has suggested to me that he might have come down a bit harsher than was prudent. My words not his. But I think it's safe to say he's mellowed.

    But too late to save the mid-70s. Students held up "Fire Bucky" signs. It was not pleasant.
    Thanks, Jim. This fills in some missing info for me explaining what happened to Duke basketball during the four years before Ozzie and I arrived at the Gothic Wonderland. The 72-73 season was Duke's first losing season (IIRC) in over 30 years (32? 33?). Too painful to research it and get the exact number right. We lost our last home game and Bucky was serenaded with:

    Good-bye, Bucky.
    Good-bye, Bucky.
    Good-bye, Bucky.
    We're glad to see you go.

    It was indeed not pleasant.
    [redacted] them and the horses they rode in on.

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