Originally Posted by
tommy
Before you get too excited about Stoudemire, check his numbers with vs. without Steve Nash in the lineup. They're all-star with him and not even close without him. So with the Hawks not having a decent PG to play with him, much less a 2-time (should've been 3-time) MVP, I'd be a little careful with giving up too much for Amare.
I'm curious - did you actually check these numbers? In the three seasons Nash has been on the Suns, Amare has played in 13 games without Nash. In those 13 games, he averages slightly over 23 pts/gm and slightly over 9 rbs/gm. In the 150 games he's played with Nash, he averages 22.8 and 9.2. I'm sorry, I missed where his numbers are clearly inferior without Nash in the lineup. He admittedly shoots a lower percentage from the field when Nash isn't in, but it's still fairly high (one basket under 50%.
If you're talking about the two years before Nash came to the Suns, let me first remind you that Amare was 20 and 21 and in his first 2 years in the NBA. All he did his first year was average 13.5 and 8.8 and win ROY. All he did his second season was average 20.6 and 9.0. And that was three years ago - he's clearly developed and improved his game since then.
Amare Stoudemire is an excellent power forward - behind Duncan and Garnett, but probably ahead of everybody else. He would instantly be the best interior player in the East if he went to the Hawks. Steve Nash has certainly helped his career, but Amare doesn't exactly turn into a pumpkin when Nash isn't around. Saying that his numbers are "not even close to all-star" without Nash in the lineup is just ludicrous.
If it's your opinion that Amare wouldn't be a star without Nash, that's fine - you're entitled to your opinion. But if you're going to say the numbers back you up, you should at least check and see whether they actually do. Otherwise you end up looking foolish.
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