FF Refs? Uh oh...

**calltheobvious** · 04-01-2010, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Cockabeau

Expect Ted Valentine to ream Duke if we get the the final game.

IIRC, the games he refed for Duke this year were atrociously one sided against Duke.

Please provide examples, such as specific games and atrociously refereed plays or situations that Valentine was responsible for.

**Cockabeau** · 04-01-2010, 08:54 PM

The Wisky game and the ASU game I believe.

**calltheobvious** · 04-01-2010, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Cockabeau

The Wisky game and the ASU game I believe.

Any other possibilities?

http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=293290150

http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=293360275

**Blue KevIL** · 04-01-2010, 09:23 PM

Ted Valentine Games this year:

Duke 90 - Wake Forest 70
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2010/...est-70-duke-90

Duke 70 - Florida State 56
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2010/...ate-56-duke-70

**Newton_14** · 04-01-2010, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Duvall

Except for the twelve pounds sitting on Jamie Luckie's shoulders.

Agree with that. We never catch a break when he has our games. Never.

**Blue KevIL** · 04-01-2010, 09:37 PM

**Welcome2DaSlopes** · 04-01-2010, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Blue KevIL

That's promising.

**calltheobvious** · 04-01-2010, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Blue KevIL

Ted Valentine Games this year:

Duke 90 - Wake Forest 70
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2010/...est-70-duke-90

Duke 70 - Florida State 56
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2010/...ate-56-duke-70

Cool. The Wake game was definitely the most poorly officiated Duke game this season. To be fair, though, no one was any good that night. Happens.

As for Luckie, sorry, I don't know why anyone would be bothered by him. He's outstanding, and absolutely deserves to be working Saturday. I would be thrilled to see him on the floor at 8:57 EDT.

**OldPhiKap** · 04-01-2010, 10:09 PM

After CBS, the NCAA, the Selection Committee, and the Illuminati conspired to give us such an easy draw, do you think they'd job us on the refs in the FF?

In all seriousnesas -- that's a pretty strong line-up. It is up to our team to adjust to how they call games, not their job to adjust to how we like to operate. I'm comfortable with that line-up and with K's familiarity with them.

No excuses. GO DUKE!!!

**aro24** · 04-01-2010, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Cockabeau

Expect Ted Valentine to ream Duke if we get the the final game.

IIRC, the games he refed for Duke this year were atrociously one sided against Duke.

And I would almost be willing to bet a years salary that there will be at least 1 replay review where he will be at the forefront of some controversial decision. He will get his airtime.

ARo24

**calltheobvious** · 04-02-2010, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by aro24

And I would almost be willing to bet a years salary that there will be at least 1 replay review where he will be at the forefront of some controversial decision. He will get his airtime.

ARo24

Wagering cash is strictly verboten in these parts, but sig bets are fine. So I propose the following: if you're right, I'll add a sig for a month that pays homage to your acute powers of officiating observation and prognostication--and I promise at least ten posts in the week following the Final Four. You can even help me come up with some clever language. If you're wrong, though, you will have to add a sig for a month admitting that you allowed your distaste for Valentine's style to cloud your judgment of his ability to call plays.

Deal?

**hood7** · 04-02-2010, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Cockabeau

Expect Ted Valentine to ream Duke if we get the the final game.

IIRC, the games he refed for Duke this year were atrociously one sided against Duke.

If that's true, then why would K have called up the NCAA and specifically requested Valentine for this game? An unnamed source told me that Doug Gottlieb got confirmation of such phone call from one of the many discordant but also nameless voices in his head.

**aro24** · 04-02-2010, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by calltheobvious

Wagering cash is strictly verboten in these parts, but sig bets are fine. So I propose the following: if you're right, I'll add a sig for a month that pays homage to your acute powers of officiating observation and prognostication--and I promise at least ten posts in the week following the Final Four. You can even help me come up with some clever language. If you're wrong, though, you will have to add a sig for a month admitting that you allowed your distaste for Valentine's style to cloud your judgment of his ability to call plays.

Deal?

Fair Enough.....

But keep in mind...I am not saying that the guy is a bad official...just that it always seems that somehow he is getting his name mentioned or getting his mug on the TV due to some controversial call.
I have always thought that the best officiated games are when you pretty much forget the refs are there and after the game, you can't recall anything specific that they did. That usually means, they called the calls that need to be made, and let the others go.

ARo24

**ArnieMc** · 04-02-2010, 10:56 AM

Valentine doesn't really worry me. Of course, my most vivid memory memory of him was theatrically leaping to the scorers table to make a call while Paulus was on the floor being pummeled by FSU players.

The one that bothers me is Les Jones. It seems like in most of the Duke games that he does, he makes most of the really bad calls against Duke, for example, the Scheyer walk in the UMd game at Maryland.

**theAlaskanBear** · 04-02-2010, 11:07 AM

I know people tend to like the "invisible refs", but in high pressure games like these I think its actually a good idea to have strong-willed, more high profile refs who arent afraid of controversy.

They are less likely to bow to the pressure and have a better chance of calling the game fairly. You want refs who arent afraid of making mistakes in big games like these. They are less likely to swallow their whistles and let Duke get abused.

**theAlaskanBear** · 04-02-2010, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by ArnieMc

Valentine doesn't really worry me. Of course, my most vivid memory memory of him was theatrically leaping to the scorers table to make a call while Paulus was on the floor being pummeled by FSU players.

The one that bothers me is Les Jones. It seems like in most of the Duke games that he does, he makes most of the really bad calls against Duke, for example, the Scheyer walk in the UMd game at Maryland.

Yikes, that was BAD. Hopefully he learned from his mistakes.

**ArnieMc** · 04-02-2010, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Bluedog

At least it's not Karl Hess. I don't recognize the final four refs except Les Jones and Jamie Luckey.

IMO, Karl Hess has been great this year. He has stayed in the background and made very reasonable, consistent calls. In fact, in the UMd game at Maryland, I thought that the only two calls he really missed, he called in Duke's favor.

**MChambers** · 04-02-2010, 11:23 AM

Interestingly, it appears that Eades (who is one of the officials doing Monday's game) has never officiated a game involving any of the Final Four teams.

**Saratoga2** · 04-02-2010, 11:45 AM

We are getting the best refs available and we should only hope that the calls are fair and balanced. I'm sure they will try to do just that. If anything, all the negatives from commentators like Gottlieb, might cloud their judgment, but I think they will ignore even that nonsense and just call the games.

**Indoor66** · 04-02-2010, 12:25 PM

I like to believe that the selected refs had integrity and will call the game they see, not the one they want to see. I don't think the commentators will create an environment that will dictate any outcomes.

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