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DJ 9-11 for 141 yards in the first half. A passer rating of 118.8. The fumbles are a concern, for sure, but he has had a really, really impressive preseason. If the Giants struggle at all with Manning, the cries for Jones to play are going to be deafening.
Agree that ball security is the biggest visible question mark thus far, but it’s hard to blame Daniel for giving it up tonight mid-throwing motion when both sides of the line imploded and he got hit from the blind side.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonEvans
He’s showing all you could ask for out of the sixth pick in the draft right now. I just hope the Giants wait until he’s ready to play him in the regular season, whether that’s this year or next. The good news is that the Giants fan base seems to really like the pick now and have his back for the time being.
Nice bomb:Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonEvans
https://twitter.com/Giants/status/1164690804515852289
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Originally Posted by jwillfan
https://twitter.com/giants/status/11...727850496?s=21
From the replies to that one:Quote:
Originally Posted by OldPhiKap
https://twitter.com/dman_wwe/status/1164692757379801089
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECnR4KXXkAAkEpg.jpg
Wish someone would do that for me when I finished a particularly good powerpoint presentation. Sigh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Acymetric
#DannyDimes is trending...
I saw that #TheMan was a top trend, but it turns out to be about TSwift dropping new music.Quote:
Originally Posted by martydoesntfoul
Tom Swift is "the Man?" Wow, that takes me back 50 years or so. Don't remember him being interested in music.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldPhiKap
You never read “Tom Swift and his Beef With Kanye?”Quote:
Originally Posted by BD80
“Throw the ball where no one else can get it” said Tom accurately.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldPhiKap
Back to DJ...
The hype is growing. Even with Eli having a good preseason (and looking spry, based on his lead blocking on one play last night).
https://nypost.com/2019/08/23/daniel...pasteboard_app
QBs taken in the first 10 picks over the last 25 drafts (1995-2019), ranked by CarAV (weighted career approximate value), per www.sports-reference.com
Player – Year – Draft Position – CarAV
PManning 1998-1 177
Rivers 2004-4 140
Ryan 2008-3 129
EManning 2004-1 117
Palmer 2003-1 108
McNabb 1999-2 107
Newton 2011-1 103
McNair 1995-3 100
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Smith 2005-1 96
Vick 2001-1 93
Stafford 2009-1 91
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Collins 1995-5 81
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Luck 2012-1 71
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Tannehill 2012-8 54
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Bradford 2010-1 44
Bortles 2014-3 44
Carr 2002-1 44
Winston 2015-1 41
Mariota 2015-2 40
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Griffin III 2012-2 35
Sanchez 2009-5 34
Young 2006-3 33
Leftwich 2003-7 33
Wentz 2016-2 32
Goff 2016-1 30
Harrington 2002-3 30
Couch 1999-1 30
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Mahomes 2017-10 23
Trubisky 2017-2 20
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Gabbart 2011-10 16
Locker 2011-8 15
Leinart 2006-10 12
Mayfield 2018-1 10
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Darnold 2018-3 7
Allen 2018-7 6
Russell 2007-1 6
Rosen 2018-10 2
Smith 1999-3 1
Leaf 1998-2 1
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Murray 2019-1 0
DJ 2019-6 0
Oof i can tell that is a very flawed system just by how high Eli is ranked. Love him and always thought he gets too much hate but he shouldn't even be mentioned in a tier with those others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reilly
Obviously the young QBs who don't have a great body of work are discounted and place lower but who below him would you place higher? Not saying I disagree but I'm not sure there's a surefire argument for any of the QBs below him to jump ahead...Quote:
Originally Posted by JNort
I don't know what goes into the numerical value. The ordering seems to roughly track the older QB ratings on sports-reference.com:
Peyton 96.5
Rivers 95.6
Ryan 94.9
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Palmer 87.9
Newton 86.4
McNabb 85.6
Eli 84.1
McNair 82.8
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Originally Posted by BD80
“If there were an NFL Draft Lottery, the Jets would always lose it,” said Tom, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDoc74
I always thought “Tom Swiftie” should have been the designated couple nickname when Taylor Swift dated Tom Hiddleston.
Well, out of that list, only two of those guys have won a Super Bowl (twice for Eli) and both have the last name Manning. Coupled along with his longevity and multiple pro bowls, I'd say he belongs in that tier pretty easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by JNort
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Originally Posted by bundabergdevil
I'd say easily
Palmer
McNabb
Newton
McNair
Smith
Vick
Stafford
Luck
and still young but looks like they are already better than Eli at any point in his career
Wentz
Goff
Mahomes
Baker
and too early to really tell but I would bet on
Darnold
Trubisky
I could even see an argument for
Winston
Guess it depends on what your criteria is. I like Eli but talent wise he isn't near those guys. I made a list earlier this year to prove to a Cam hater that Cam is indeed elite based on his stats alone. What surprised me while making the list was just how bad Eli really was compared to the other qbs in the last 15 years or so (Been awhile since I checked but he averages more turnovers than tds or close to it). Those superbowls in his case happened because their defense carried them in the playoffs combined with a solid run game and Eli playing at a slightly above average level for a 3 or 4 game stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by CameronBornAndBred