Just wondering if any of you have had symptoms after first dose. I received mine Saturday and was fine for forty-eight hours. Yesterday I developed a low-grade fever 99.6 and fatigue. My resting heart rate went from 60 Saturday to 69 today.
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Just wondering if any of you have had symptoms after first dose. I received mine Saturday and was fine for forty-eight hours. Yesterday I developed a low-grade fever 99.6 and fatigue. My resting heart rate went from 60 Saturday to 69 today.
I didn't have any issues and it has been 48 hours.
My wife had sore lymph nodes for four or five days.
No fear... just means your immune system is doing its job:)
Thanks! I had a miserable night last night but temperature is normal today and feel great.
Thank you, I feel extremely fortunate to have received it.
Anecdotal evidence has shown the second shot to be a real kick in the pants.
Not that I would know...even college kids get the vaccine before I do.
I just want to get back in the classroom. I’ve been teaching seventh graders for fifty years and miss the live interaction with them so much.
My wife and I had no symptoms. We are over 65.
A 65 or so year old friend who is a doc was one of the first persons I know to get vaccinated. He had no symptoms. His daughter, also a doc, got the vaccine and had symptoms which she attributed to her younger and stronger immune system.
On an related note, is anyone wary of the long term effect of a very novel vaccine created in an entirely new way and one without long term study? I am too old to worry about l long term. Of course we also do not know the long term impact of surviving Covid either.
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My wife, a healthcare worker, has had both doses of the Pfizer vaccine. She had no side effects from the first dose. The second dose, the injection site was sore for a few days and she had some body aches. For example the next day her hips were aching (I did offer to help with that but she may have detected ulterior motives). Symptomes were pretty much gone the day after (which would be 48 hours after second injection).
Man I hate needles but I'm looking forward to getting this vaccine. It has provided some peace of mind for my wife (who is still careful).
I haven’t had a grandkid that I know of but hundreds of kids’ parents who were in my class. Also, six former students teach at my school or are in administrative positions also my entire neighborhood almost. I teach urban kids which are a challenge, to say the least.
Get my second tomorrow - I have read that 2 is worse than 1.
Get the Tylenol or Advil ready to rock!
No, not worried at all. This technology has been under study for well over a decade. The mRNA disappears from your body in a short period of time because it is degraded naturally by RNases in your body.
It also helps that I know the principal architect of this vaccine personally, working in his lab under his tutelage for two years.
Both of my big toes really ache quite a bit, but keep in mind I haven't had a shot yet. I'll report back in mid March...
I got my first Moderna dose on late afternoon on Sunday... Jan 24. Pharmacist said that the second dose is Feb 20. She said that the CDC counts the day of the shot as day 1... so the 28th day is Feb 20. I would have thought that the day of the shot is day 0. So 28 days for the second dose would be Feb 21. Any comments?
Also, the first day after the shot... only had pain in the upper arm where the shot was given. Second day... only mild soreness in the arm... just enough to remind me that something happened. No other effects. Based on what has been said, I’m kinda anxious about the second shot.
I received mine on Saturday, January 23, and am scheduled February 20 for the second. I think the discomfort from the second dose is, as someone said earlier, better than the alternative. I’ve lost a childhood friend and another friend’s sister is on a ventilator.
Thanks to all of you. Was slightly concerned since I read stuff about the minimum is 28 days... Longer is OK. But I couldn’t find anything on how to count the days. Nice to know that there is a few days window
I can only speak to my experience. With Pfizer #1 I had a sore arm that caused no problems at all. With Pfizer #2 I had sore arm (exactly same as first shot) and trouble falling asleep that night, but honestly the symptoms were quite mild, for me. I worked full very intense schedule the day after the shot and the day after that, no problem whatsoever.
My wife also got both Pfizer doses with sore arm and that was about it for her. I realize everyone's experience is different. rsvman, as luck would have it, has a badass immune system who let him know it.
Just from my experience these symptoms were a piece of cake for us.
Sadly, I've also been seeing the direct effects of Covid in patients/families I care for. Covid, as all of you know, is not a piece of cake. I cannot convey to you how many kids I'm taking care of who's guardian/caregiver just died of Covid. I'm getting used to having that conversation - with a child, and getting better at it from having it so many times. And that scares me.
Get the vaccine. I know this board knows, but it beats the potential symptoms of the alternative.
As I mentioned in the other thread, after I got my 2nd Pfizer shot, I woke up (about 12-13 hours after shot) with chills and fever that lasted about 12-13 hours. Took ibuprofen, drank a lot of hot tea, worked from home, crashed with a final nap, and was fine. I have several co-workers who had the same response I did after the 2nd shot, and with only a sore arm the 1st shot.
Just a word of caution:
My wife received her second Pfizer shot 5 days ago. This morning at work, she passed out. Fortunately, she was caught by a coworker before she hit the floor. She works at an outpatient surgery center and was immediately tended to. She is fine now and continuing to work (against everyone’s better judgment). This might have been a combination of the after effects of the shot, and a new diet that she has been on for about 3 weeks. Up until today, she had only minor side effects.
The scariest part is that this could have happened while she was driving, or alone where no one was around to break her fall.
Y’all be careful.
So damn pissed... scheduled at the big NJ mega center in February. Now apparently they are closing it down, bc they don't have the doses, and even if I get it they won't schedule a second dose. Sooo... I get the first one, and then... whatever?
Really pissed at how terrible this vaccine rollout has been. A true mess... and they had what, ten months to prepare?
My county in Georgia had a poor system to start. You had to go online to sign up for the first dose, on a website that was difficult to log onto, with no advanced notice of when doses would be available. So for days, you had to frequently keep trying to login, hoping that you got through when doses were available. Once they got doses, you had only a few minutes before all time slots were full. There was no priority given to exceptionally critical candidates. Merely first come, first served. So if you were a 70 year old, overweight, frontline worker with existing medical conditions, you had no better chance of getting through than a healthy 65 year old. Then if you got the first dose, you had to repeat the login crapshoot to try to get the second dose in a timely manner.
They have now improved the second dose schedule so that it is automatically booked once you get the first dose. Hopefully this will also be the case for you in NJ, and in other areas.
Wow...very different down here in coastal GA. They announced the reservation process a week ahead of time. I called as soon as they opened and scheduled my appointment for the next week (it did take me 30 minutes to get through, but those who waited until the afternoon got right through). The health department was extremely well organized...no waiting, socially distanced, etc., and we were given our second appointment before we left.
I think that one of the biggest issues with the process you describe is that people initially had to go through the entire process to schedule their second dose. That could lead a lot of people to give up or not get the second dose in a timely fashion, and therefore not accomplish what this widespread vaccination program is supposed to accomplish!
Also, all local governments and health department have known this was coming and should have been better prepared than some were. Maybe they didn’t know exactly when the vaccines would arrive, but if anything they were expecting them to arrive sooner than they did. To say that they have only had 7 days (as was mentioned upthread) is a little disingenuous. While I hope/expect that the new administration will continue to push the manufacturers to make more vaccines and the providers to vaccinate as many as possible, the number of vaccines that are available now is due to steps taken by the drug companies—and operation warpspeed—over many months...not just the last 7 days.
I was able to schedule an appointment through Cone Health here in Greensboro for Feb. 9. Then last Satuday I got a robocall (it went to voicemail) that my appointment was cancelled due to not getting enough vaccine, and I'm on a waiting list with priority. Don't know if that means they will reschedule me or if I have to reschedule the appointment myself. Meanwhile, I'm trying all the surrounding counties to get scheduled there. I am on the Durham County waiting list. http://www.crazietalk.net/ourhouse/i...es/devil9f.gif
I'm sorry your appointment was cancelled.
I live in Alamance County (which is limited to persons 75 and over) and received the Pfizer vaccine in Forsyth on 1/24.
I recommend that you follow their Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/FCDPH to learn when appointments slots will become available.
They announce on Facebook (sometimes on short notice), when they will make appointments available (day and time) and how many appointments there will be. Last week, on Wednesday morning, they announced that 1700 appointments time slots would be loaded into the reservation system at 5 pm.
A few days later they announced that 4000 reservations would become available and would be loaded into the reservation system the next morning at 9am.
When you get into the reservation system you are competing against everyone else for time slots. The strategy that seems to work is to go after slots that are less popular so that you'll have less competition. Otherwise, by the time you answer all of the screening questions, the time slot you wanted will probably be gone. Also, you need to type as fast as possible :-)
Now it seems we will soon be booking our variant vaccine appointment after the second dose.
I took typing and Gregg notehand (a form of short hand) in 10th grade in Great Neck, NY; both were a half-semester class and were given as a pair. Then when we moved to Ft. Lauderdale I had to pass both typing and swimming to graduate. Peace of cake! :cool: And typing did serve me well at Duke on my Smith Corona electric type writer (it's still in the garage). Never did get the hang of notehand.
I learned on a Royal portable *manual* typewriter. It was probably from the late '40s or early '50s. Man, you needed finger strength for that thing, and bigger hands than I had in middle school. As a result, my typing skills remained quite rudimentary until the computer age made it to me. I went through most of high school writing essays in longhand, but that didn't fly in college.
Cake . . . or death?
(If you know, you know)
Does anyone know about feasibility/legality of getting vaccinated in other counties? My parents ar high risk in Charlotte/Mecklenburg and it's a logistical nightmare. It may be two more months before the can sniff their first vaccine. I do know some folks who have gone to Mitchell/Avery Counties to get their vaccine without any trouble.
Thoughts?
Yes, it is a Statewide program and it is legal to go to any County in NC. That is what I did.
Here's an story on that subject (I'm the guy she interviewed)
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/ne...d-637129fa0be0
Very fortunate to receive my 1st Pfizer shot this afternoon. Mother in law called at lunch to let me know that the local hospital had 400 shots available no appointment necessary for age 65 and up. Most of our county sites were restricted to 75 and over or first responders. Once I arrived at the site, it took only 14 minutes from getting the form to receiving the shot. All that I have heard have been horror stories about the lack of planning and the misinformation at other sites. This went perfectly. My wife said that the nurses must have planned everything rather than the health department. She is probably correct.
Dukie’s Son-in-Law had a reaction to a flu shot as a child, and “almost died”. This was in the mid 1950’s, and that’s all the info we have. He has never gotten a flu shot since. He’s eligible for a COVID shot as part of group 1b here in Virginia, but is more than hesitant...
Given his history...what would you recommend?
From a 99% lurker, but 100% lover of these boards, and their citizens...
Dukie’s Daughter
The COVID vaccines are made completely differently from the flu vaccines (and particularly from the flu vaccines of the '50s). It sounds like there's a good chance his problem may have been one of two things: either a) he had a quick and severe allergic reaction to the shot itself, meaning the different formulation of this vaccine makes it unlikely that would happen again;or b) he had a "reaction" on a longer time scale, meaning that he wasn't actually reacting to the shot itself, but maybe wasn't protected by it, either, or got sick with something different at coincidentally the same time. If it is option a), they will look out for that when they give the vaccine and treatments are available on site. For option b), well, odds would be strongly against a repeat.
But IANAD, so this speculation is worth exactly what you paid to get it.
^ yeah, I wouldn't act based on something that happened nearly 70 years ago...thus far people are tolerating the vaccines very nicely...
I'd go with whatever his primary healthcare physician recommends. The appropriate response could be very patient-specific.
My wife had a severe reaction to the MMR shot as a child in the late '70s. One in a million. She remembers scores of doctors coming into to look at her. She hasn't had anything more than a sore arm to anything since. Our pediatricians were kind enough to alter the vaccination schedule for our kids to give the MMR in isolation, but they had no issues at all.
I am not a doctor, and this is only an anecdote
From what I understand with regards to most flu vaccines it's an egg allergy that is the most common problem and the CDC has some guidelines on that. (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/egg-allergies.htm) Still, 1 in 1.3 million have anaphylaxis after receiving a flu shot which means well over 100 cases of it happening a year. Just as with the lottery, someone has to be the lucky winner. I don't believe egg is used in the COVID-19 vaccine, but something else is causing those to have trouble to have trouble.
As per standard drug disclaimers in commercials, if you are allergic to the COVID-19 vaccine, please don't take the COVID-19 vaccine.
^ I'm taking my Epi Pen to my appt. should I get one...can't be too careful...
I had a reaction to a penicillin shot in college. I had to wait thirty minutes after the injection because of that.
Not sure why you say that.
When the 3rd stage trials were started the states knew they would probably have to deal with vaccines that needed cold storage and two shots 3 to 4 weeks apart. While it might have been much better if the Fed govt did not have Operation Warp Speed or whatever stop at state lines, the states should have been making plans. How to handle this is not a trivial problem and for the states to push it down to counties and health departments really seems like a mistake to me.
Here is a snapshot of what I saw in CA and LA County.
First vaccines went supposed to go to health care workers, skilled nursing homes, etc. I think hospitals took care of their staffs and pharmacies the nursing homes.
Each health department health department handled things their own way. Long Beach, which is in LA County but has its own health department, started to vaccinate seniors. They had a sign up system that allowed anyone to sign up and on day 1 evidently gave vaccine to any senior, but on days 2 and 3 you had to be a senior in Long Beach or a health care worker. For others day 2 and day 3 appointments canceled.
Statewide CA was sticking to the restrictive tier. Then reports came and CA was 50th out of 50 in vaccine usage.
CA then said seniors could get the shot. Ralph[s (Kroger) pharmacy took appointments and gave shots to some seniors that evening. The next morning LA County told Ralph's to stop, seniors only, and appointment were canceled. LA County Supervisors got a lot heat from seniors and after a few days met with the Health Department and LA opened to seniors. (My wife and I followed this closely and were able to quickly get appointments received our first shot on 1/21. Told we are scheduled for the 2nd Pfizer in 21 days.)
Mad scramble to get the vaccine. Spots fill quickly. People line up and wait all day for the shots that might be thrown away if not used at the end of the day. Very difficult for those without time, computer access, diligence etc. to get appointments. County sites are mostly drive thru so you need a car.
However from my experience the process of actually getting the shot at an LA County site was smooth and they are well run.
When I made my first Ralph's appointment I made a 2nd 28 days later. I can not figure out how to cancel it (Call an 800 number and what for 30 minutes then gave up). Got a notice that it could be delayed up to 4 weeks. Ralph's must think this is my first. Have also heard that Ralph's let you give your appointment to someone else.
Anecdotal stories:
Someone whose appointment at Ralph's was canceled goes in a week or so after the appointment. Ralph's gave her the shot. No guarantee about the 2nd. She made an appointment elsewhere for the 2nd.
Guy with an appointment goes to an LA County site. Wife without an appointment rides along. Both get shots.
LA County gives volunteers a shot if they work a day. Spots are hard to get but no age requirement. just 18 or over.
Hospital volunteers who had not volunteered since March given shots as health care workers. Not sure how LA County defined a health care worker. From Docs I know almost all heath care workers who want a shot have had ample opportunity to sign up before LA County opened to seniors.
SoCal
That’s interesting. I told the nurse about my penicillin allergy and my shellfish allergy and she said no problem. Standard 15 minute wait. I can report no arm soreness, no symptoms so far, and certainly no reaction to my allergies.
It’s almost anecdotal that Alabama would lag behind the rest of the country in preparation for the vaccine. We still do not have an online reservation system (due to launch next week) and we depend upon word of mouth or news reports for information. Luck has a lot to do with getting a shot here in Baldwin County.
This is bad. Vaccines are distributed in a way so that a site gets so many first doses, then gets the same # of second doses, for that same group. This person getting the shots in two different places means that (1) there is going to be a second dose at the original location "left hanging." Or was this a "leftover 2nd dose? (2) Will the second dose given be taken away from someone else? and (3) this disrupts the tracking system of making sure folks are getting the same type of vaccine both times. Most likely, it is all Moderna, but the CDC laid out a plan where you get a card that lists your vaccine type, lot #, date of vaccine, location, etc. This is how they are tracked. This person is now going to be tracked through two different sites. Really stupid.
The "system" at Ralph's has caused all kinds of issues. First they said ok to seniors than canceled appointments. However if you also made an appointment for the 2nd shot it was not canceled. So I was 1/14 and 2/21 but 1/14 canceled. Now 2/21 has been postponed probably 4 weeks. In the meantime I got the Pfizer first shot at an LA County site and sm scheduled for the 2nd (I hope). However I can not figure out how to cancel the 2/21 appointment at Ralph's. Have also heard that I can go to Ralph's and give it to someone else.
Heard today of someone under 65 who took her elderly mother to the Dodge Stadium. Both got shots! I would guess some stayed home because of the rain. LA County either is or was scheduling volunteers for a day of work and you get a shot. I know of someone under 50 and another who is just 18 who are signed up for that.
If Ralph's is guaranteed a 2nd shot for my friend, then they should have scheduled her.
SoCal
In our well-organized system here, you are guaranteed a second dose, even if high-priority people looking for a first shot have to be put on hold. But if you don't show up or seek to delay getting it -- no dice. It's given to someone else. And you have to take your chances on getting your second shot sometime later.
I got a call from Cone Health! V-me day is February 4th!
Well I signed up online for a drive-thru vaccine clinic, received an email confirmation, showed up at the appointed time...and there was a huge highway display sign "teachers only."
Osterholm on Meet the Press this morning was pretty demoralizing. Talking about an inevitable new wave coming that will be much worse than what we’ve seen so far.
"Michael Osterholm, a top epidemiologist who advised President Joe Biden’s transition team on the coronavirus pandemic, said Sunday that the U.S. needs to “call an audible” with its vaccination program, prioritizing a rush to give a single dose to as many people as possible ahead of a likely surge of cases attributed to more contagious mutations of the virus."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...doses-n1256293
I have seen him on MTP several times and he has been right on with his predictions.
He also advocated delaying the 2nd shots in order to get more first shots into people's arms.
Evidently LA County is now scheduling both the first and second shot when you sign up for the first at a county site. Why they did not do this initially is a mystery.
Wife and I were supposed to receive an email about our second shot but have not at of yet. We now of others who have.
SoCal
I got the notice for my first shot on Thursday, the 4th. I guess I should feel special. I'll be getting mine in a drive through at a parking garage.
When I went to the dentist last week, I found out that my dentist had just gotten his in a goat barn, and the hygienist got hers in a pig barn.
When I saw Osterholm last, he was saying that there would be far worst times ahead. His reasoning was exclusively because of the unknowns around the variants on COVID-19 -- now and future. He was pessimistic two months ago -- and correctly so -- and his reasons were "winter" and "family gatherings." He was right then. I think he is wrong now.
The vaccines are roaring ahead and will be effective in protecting individuals from infection and, even more importantly, reducing the number of infections dramatically. In terms of the variants, the existing vaccines will have some level of effectiveness and the vaccine suppliers will engineer new vaccines, or boosters, against the variants. I am rather hopeful.
The problem I have with unnecessary or inaccurate "gloom and doom" is that it feeds the view that nothing can be done -- so, why try?
I have a similar view with respect to the stated opinions that, even if you have received both injections (which I have), you will have to take exactly the same precautions and experience the same degree of isolation as before. I'm a social scientist, not a medical doctor or expert, but that is just d-u-m-b. If one is one-twentieth as likely to get an infection and any infection is almost certain to be mild, then the directions on individual conduct can't be "no change." And, again, you are discouraging people from getting the vaccines, which is the most powerful public health set of actions, because "why bother?"
I’m getting my first shot tomorrow, unsure which brand. I once was very allergic (emergency hospital visit saved my life) to bees, wasps, and fire ants, but took allergy shots to substantially improve my immunity. I assume there’s no correlation, but does anyone know a reason why I should be more concerned than others?
From the Healthline web site:
Those are good odds.Quote:
A small number of people have experienced an allergic reaction soon after receiving their first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.
But the risk is low: only about 1 in 100,000 people experience an allergic reaction after getting the injection.
You should just let them know that before you get your vax. They might ask you to wait for 30 minutes after rather than 15 minutes after. If you carry your own epi pen, you should bring it with you. It sounds like you probably don't, so no worries they will have them there in the very unlikely event you need it.
As you said, very good odds. I'm sure the Vax would still be recommended and is not contraindicated for you.
If someone has had true anaphylactic reactions to other vaccines, I believe that could be a problem. Or for folks who have anaphylaxis to many things and carry their own epi-pen, that is a concern.
Folks with shellfish allergies or bee-allergies, etc. are at slightly higher risk, but as you noted, the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks.
hope that helps
got mine in orange county a week ago...zero side effects....
of course, i've inherited my mom's southern constitution...i can eat an egg salad sandwich that's been left outside in the sun all day and wash it down with milk that's been left beside it and not have any problems...
I agree, to a certain extent, that telling people that "nothing changes" after getting vaccinated could be a serious disincentive to vaccination, which is exactly what we don't want.
I am fully vaccinated and it has been three weeks since my second shot, so I'm as protected right now as I'm ever going to be. I am still wearing a mask in public spaces at all times, not to protect myself or others, but in order not to make other people uncomfortable and to not make them think that I'm a jerk. Nobody at the grocery store knows that I am fully vaccinated, so if I go in there without a mask, some people will think I'm a selfish you-know-what, and others will feel incredibly uncomfortable seeing me walk around without a mask. I don't want either of those outcomes, so I am continuing as though I haven't had the shot.
To be honest, it's really, really hard to change thinking that I have now hardwired into my brain over the past 11 months or so. As an example, I had some packages to mail on Saturday and then I told my wife I'd do the grocery shopping on my way home (makes sense since I'm vaccinated and she is not). Well, there were WAY too many people at the post office and I had to stand in line for WAY too long (completely broke all the governor's rules and was, frankly, not safe). My initial thought when looking in there was, "I can mail this stuff off another day" before I remembered that it was OK for me to stand in that line. Same goes for the grocery store. The parking lot was pretty full, and when I walked in I saw a TON of customers. Previously, I would have left and come back at a different time. If I didn't have that option I would have raced through the store, attempting to get out within 5 or 6 minutes to limit my time. All those types of thoughts kept racing through my head, and I had to consciously keep reminding myself that things are different now.
It has been interesting, waging this battle inside my head with my rational brain trying to tell my reactionary brain that things have changed.
Re-assuring to read this and support my belief I'm not paranoid/"overly" cautious. Somewhat similar experience for me on Saturday with an outdoor family funeral. "Immediate" family only with 18 attendees all masked (some double masked) and mostly 6 feet apart. Those who spoke/sang did so with masks, again 6+ feet away from the other nearest person. Only close contact was 2-3 feet away from the widow, wrapped in blankets, hooded and masked, with some vaccinated fully, some with one shot and some not yet. I was comfortable with this. Where I became uncomfortable was the indoor gathering afterwards (15 people with some food after I left),often <6 feet and sometimes 8-10 people in the same 15x20 room with me always standing in another room. Mrs. dd (BSN, MSN, RN) asked why I was so "stand-offish," even having had 2 shots. Whaaaaaa? We have 2 MD children, both with 2 shots each and they were glad they avoided the gathering and agreed that it was not unreasonable for me to feel at least somewhat uncomfortable and leave early.
Got my second shot this morning at 8:30, and so far no reactions. Even my arm is only a little sore. Fingers crossed that I haven’t just jinxed myself.
The Health Department was well organized like last time, only now they seem to be churning through 4x the number of people. In and out within 25’, including the 15’ monitoring period.
I have to say, I'm getting f'ing annoyed at some of these stories about what you can and cannot do once you are vaccinated.
Like, there is a story on CNN right now about it. And the first thing they say is that the vaccine isn't 100 percent proof, so you should still wear a mask.
Well, yeah, no kidding. The flu vaccine isn't either. Is the argument really going to be that everyone wears a mask all the time forever now, because the vaccine will never be 100% protection?
They also say "Well, not everyone's body will react to the vaccine the same way."
Again, no kidding. So... everyone will wear masks forever?
Then they talk about seeing someone who is fully vaccinated unmasked inside and say "Oh, well, there is risk."
Wait... there is risk if both of you are fully vaccinated? Sure. But that risk will basically ALWAYS exist, so again, unless you are arguing for masks forever...
I get that the media has to be cautious because people are idiots. I also get that, until LOTS more people get the vaccine, it will be "out there" more.
But man, some of these things about what to do once you are vaccinated... they seem over the top.
I know I'm not pleased if I go in a store and find unmasked people, so as long as the epidemic is revved up, I plan on wearing a mask, otherwise how do others know I've been vaccinated? Should I wear a badge?
It doesn't seem like a big deal to literally keep up appearances until the threat subsides substantially (whenever that may be).
Of course, I don't have a jab yet, so this is all theoretical...
I share some of your concerns but I disagree with you on the continued wearing of masks after vaccination. Although it may not be individually necessary, it is necessary to help stores and institutions enforce health measures for and to protect those who are not vaccinated. So, wear a mask.
The other cautionary measures under the heading "nothing has changed" even though you have received both vaccine doses and waited two weeks, is IMHO (where the H disappeared when the needles came out) bad advice. The level of protection is not just 95 percent; it is is close to 100 percent for serious illness and death. What's worse, saying, "Nothing has changed," reduces the incentive to get the vaccine. There's gotta be a truly justified carrot for those waiting for a vaccine.
By the way, there are extra doses in our town in some locations, so the need is apparently being met.
Well, I assume you are partly joking. But I do keep reading that "vaccinated" folk may still be able to transmit. Which confuses me, but likely others here will be able to clarify.
Regardless, multiple sources have said it will be valuable to keep wearing your mask in public. You would not need to wear one if you were, so to say, in a cabin with family members who are also vaccinated.
My understanding is that the vaccines are protective against severe disease (symptoms) but may not be protective from infection and mild disease. I assume that being infected with zero or mild symptoms may translate to being contagious and needing to be masked to protect other, unvaccinated persons.
After receiving my second dose, I plan to continue wearing a mask except for small gatherings of friends who have also been vaccinated.
Oh, wearing it in public, primarily as a social signal of "wear masks" and "I'm being safe", as well as some safety for yourself, I get.
But, like, if I am going to visit a family member, and the two of us are both two weeks past vaccine #2, and we are alone in the house, and we take reasonable precautions in public... I don't see why we would be wearing masks, you know?
No, can't say I'm joking. To clarify though, if I and my (aged) friends get the jabs as we expect in the next month or two, we'll gladly get together, have events, dinners, etc.
But I'll still wear a mask in public, otherwise how do people know I don't pose much of a threat, if any?
Yes, this x100. Wholeheartedly agree. We as humans are not very good at risk assessments, so I think the media et al veer on being "ultra safe" vs. the opposite. But I think the truth and being realistic is better.
For why we sometimes suck at logical decision-making/risk assessments as humans, I'd recommend Duke professor Dan Ariely's "Predictably Irrational." Great book.
At some point, it has to all stop though. We can’t do this forever. What’s going to be the tipping point? 80% vaccinated? What about if another strain becomes dominant that the vaccine doesn’t work against? It seemed like the vaccine was the light at the end of the tunnel but it really isn’t if we have to stay masked up and distanced.
No, it's not ALL over the top. The bottom line is that a lot of people are misinformed (sadly, purposely sometimes) and will make poor decisions if given a choice. Is if over the top to expect people to wear a mask at a friends house? Yeah. If you and your friends are comfortable in private because you are either vaccinated or feel that these friends are safe enough put put in your bubble, great, do what you want. But for now, we still need to wear masks and be careful in public and keep public gatherings to a minimum, etc. At this point, it's relatively short term. With vaccinations being rolled out we can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Also note, that mentioning the flu vaccine is just not a good idea. Covid is not the flu and it's not a good comp at all...in fact it's one of the tools that have been used to misinform people.
I agree...I would seriously not be surprised if we now see masks for YEARS during flu (COVID?) season in the winter, as well as when people are on flights and the like...The cat is out of the bag. People have been wearing masks in certain Asian countries for quite a while although that's primarily due to pollution is my understanding. Going to take a while for people to adjust back, if ever. Same with social distancing. I wonder if illnesses/general sickness will go way down. The thing I'm worried about is the social-emotional development of young children in these circumstances who will be ingrained that getting near anybody is a BAD BAD thing to do. Not healthy for their development, unfortunately. My two year old already is partially uneasy of going outside the house without a mask. :(
Of course, I also agree with the above points that vaccinated people to still mask up in public because of social cues/standards and not knowing who is vaccinated or not. And simply to continue to reinforce its importance FOR NOW.
Then you have these idiots, holding up a mass vaccination site with their stupidity.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...test-facebook/
Got my Pfizer vaccine an hour ago (postponed from Monday due to our 3" of blizzard). A very slightly sore arm, but otherwise so far, so good. :)
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I’m not sure of the right answer but at some point it all has to be over. My little kids have suffered so much. Eventually we will have to accept that a small percentage of people will die from covid even after vaccinations have been available. What percent is the “right” percent? No clue.
This make me look like I am a covidiot but I’m not. My family has done everything correctly over the last year and my wife and I are both in the process of getting our second covid shot.
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People in Asia not only wear masks for high pollution days, but for as long as I can remember have also worn masks when they are sick in order to protect others. What a concept! People who care about anybody besides themselves? Completely foreign to Americans.
As far as when does masking stop, I do think there will come a time when it will no longer be universally recommended or mandated. Having said that, I know several people who have noticed that since they have been wearing masks, they have not been sick. Some of these people suffer through 2 or 3 colds every winter, some of which drag on for a month or more. They are HAPPY to not have had their usual quota of respiratory illnesses, and they are reporting to me that they will be wearing masks in public every winter from now on, regardless of what happens with Covid and the pandemic.
Germaphobes have also found their happy place, and will likely be continuing to do at least some of what we are currently doing regardless of what happens.
Given that most people are now fairly accustomed to wearing masks, and certainly to SEEING others wearing masks, I think people who want to continue every winter into the future will no longer be looked at as though they are space aliens.
I completely agree with Las Vegas that if you and several of your friends have all been fully vaccinated and it has been more than two weeks since the second vaccine for all of you, you should feel totally fine about getting together at your house to play cards or watch the Superbowl, or whatever, and not feel compelled in the least to wear masks or to avoid contact. Go see a movie or something if you want to, too, although I would wear a mask anywhere in public for reasons I have explained in detail earlier.
I agree that risk for infections can never be made zero; we may not even WANT to do that even if we could. There is some evidence that suggests that you need to keep your immune system at least a little bit busy to help keep it from doing stuff you don't want it to, like causing allergies/asthma/perhaps even autoimmune diseases. I think the human body was meant to become ill on occasion (kinda like how you have to drive a car every once in a while, even if you really just want to store it). BUT I do think most people get sick WAY more often than they need to for the purposes of keeping the engine or axles from seizing. Masking in public allows the total burden of illness in one's life to be decreased, at not much personal cost (the way I see it, anyway). Hell, walking from the parking lot to my office this morning I was GLAD I had a cloth mask on just to protect part of my face from the bitter cold and wind!
I just received my second COVID vaccination (Moderna) this morning. Hoping that this one produces nothing more discomforting than the first -- minor soreness at the site of the jab on the upper arm for about a day -- but will report here on any other effects I may experience in the next 24 hours.
it is AMAZING how many people here have gotten the vaccine!
Is the DBR crowd just... a bit older and/or unhealthy... or what?:)
Basically, only those who have gotten it will post here so you don't see the ones who don't. Like me. I'm at the bottom of the totem pole most likely. So, selective data and the DBR community is perhaps larger than you think.
But also a lot of healthcare professionals on this site (and a decent number of 65+ posters I'd imagine).
I agree that the CDC will "call" public mask wearing at some point. I think the basis for calling it would be based on metrics such as cases per 100k, % positive tests, hospitalization rates, % vaccinated population.
Here is a website from last July that describes such an approach. It doesn't include vaccination rates because that wasn't a factor then, but add that factor and set the detailed thresholds based on science around epidemic spread. This won't eliminate all transmission and cases, but the numbers should make it HIGHLY unlikely that we will return to uncontrolled spread and, in turn, overwhelmed hospitals. It will likely require increased testing to get data for the metrics but with certified at home tests being approved in the US I am hopeful that won't be as big as an obstacle as it may seem.
These approaches work because similar ones were used in Australia and New Zealand. I don't know if anyone saw the Jack White highlight clip that was retweeted on DukeMBB twitter a few days ago. It was very odd to see basketball highlights from recent games played in front of full arenas. Also, Jack looks good :D
I don't disagree that we will reach that at some point. I'm much less bullish that we will reach that point in the next few months.
I still say that it will be a huge mess when/if vaccinated folks stop wearing masks. My retail scenario is not hypothetical - until recently I was operating a store in Asheville. I had people use every conceivable excuse for not masking, and I would shrug and tell them to leave. I was threatened with lawsuits, boycotts, nasty reviews, and even calling the police (go ahead!). I can't imagine how much more difficult that will become if the vaccinated folks decide to stop wearing masks.
Two topics: First, masking, etc: I feel less impatient WRT to wearing a mask now because with the vaccines being distributed, I feel like the end is in sight. For me, knowing that we are making real progress and the end is 'near' makes it easier to just wear the mask.
Second topic: I'm generally not in a group that would get the vaccine because my job (test software) isn't in healthcare and I'm 53 years old and in very good health (well physical health :p ). When I look at the NC Gov website to find my vaccine group I see this question:
"Do you currently live, work or volunteer full or part-time in any of the following?".The first choice is "Health Care Settings...".
My wife and I ran a charity called From Your Neighbor where we collect donations of durable medical goods and deliver them to people in need. So every week, we are going to people's houses to either pick up or drop off medical equipment. For example, in the last several days:
- - Pickup in Cary, NC of a small wheel chair ramp. Entered a home to remove a small ramp that was used to assist a wheelchair bound person to get into bed.
- - Drop off in Nash County - took a hospital bed to a patients home (mobile home, they were dirt poor). Entered the home to setup the bed, make sure it was working, etc.
- - Drop off a specialty wheelchair and incontinence supplies to a patient in Durham - didn't enter the home, met Pt's daughter in driveway for drop off
This is what we do with our nights and weekends, helping people out...but coming in contact with patients and caregivers. I think I could leverage this to put myself in group 1, the questionnaire clearly mentions part-time volunteer work. My wife works in a hospital and has already received both vaccine doses (Pfizer). Part of me wants to give it a try but I don't want to do anything unethical - I'd hate to feel like I'm taking a vaccine from someone else. So I'm wondering if I do qualify and then if I'm OK with the ethical part of "seeking the shot".
And as usual, I'm probably overthinking the whole thing.
Appreciate the feedback. The logical part of my brain is telling me that I'd qualify, I just don't want to be doing the wrong thing overall (just because you can doesn't always mean you should). I also agree that I'd be protecting others. Many of the people we help are poor and not healthy so I'd feel really bad if I gave someone Covid, especially someone that might not be physically or financially able to put up a proper fight!
Get the vaccine -- it's not a perfectly ordered set of priorities, and there's a lot of slop in the system. (We are having doses available at the end of the day at our regional hospital -- for reasons I don't understand.)
With your family, travel plans and activities -- there is no reason you shouldn't be persistently looking for vaccine doses.
Here's a chilling article about post-vaccine activities from CNN. The article said, basically, it's not safe to do anything more than what you were allowed to do before vaccinantion -- on other words, nothing. I take great exception to this article.
Of, but here's the one thing you are allowed to do:
Fauci cleverly hedges his words:Quote:
When can I hang out with friends and family?
That depends on everyone's vaccine status, experts say. If friends or other members of your family have also received both doses of a Covid-19 vaccine, the risk is greatly reduced, especially if the visit is outdoors. "It's probably pretty safe to see others who were also vaccinated, after everyone gets both doses and waits a few weeks," Wen said.
His statement's, unlike Dr. Wen's, are carefully hedged in recognition that people will be more active after vaccination.Quote:
"Getting vaccinated does not say now I have a free pass to travel," Fauci said at the CNN global town hall. "Nor does it say that I have a free pass to put aside all of the public health measures that we talk about all the time."
"I mean, if you absolutely have to travel and it's essential, then obviously, one would have to do that. But we don't want people to think because they got vaccinated, then other public health recommendations just don't apply," Fauci said.
My husband and I got our second Pfizer shot yesterday morning. We both felt it last night...he had chills and hallucinations (probably a fever???). I had achy joints and just felt yucky. But today we are both pretty good, although tired due to not sleeping well. I was very worried, but my symptoms were much milder than many have described.
Just curious as to how long after second shot the symptoms began? Thanks!
We got our shots at 8:30A, and we both felt fine the entire day. It wasn’t until that night that we felt the symptoms...so I would say 12 +/- hours after the shot for us. By the next day (24 hours post-shot) I felt much better, just a headache and a little foggy the rest of that day. I have read of some who had fevers for 48 hours though.
I appreciate your reply. I have to drive four hours after my shot so it sounds like I’ll be okay.
I was feeling a bit poorly later in the day after a 7:20 AM shot last Tuesday. Took Tylenol and did OK. Next day I was back at the hospital for something else -- my blood pressure was ten points higher (mine is usually low) and I had a temp of 98.8, whereas I am usually around 970-97.5. Took some more Tylenol that day, and then was fine. Skipped outdoor exercise on the day of the shot -- and also on Wednesday, but only because of schedule (hospital plus Zoom meeting). Probably TMI, but there you are.
The first shot took my resting heart rate from 60 the day of the shot to 69 the next day. It is back to 61 now.
My sister-in-law got her second shot around noon last Wednesday. She is a 37 year old, healthy healthcare worker. It hit her around 5:00 am the next morning and really hard around 9:00 am. She still headed to work but had to come back home (fever, chills, nausea, body aches). She started feeling better by the evening and was much better the next morning. It may be prudent to plan a light or (if possible) off day after getting the vaccine. My brother was able to schedule his 2nd dose shot on Saturday just in case.
On the flip side, my 90 year old grandmother didn't have any reaction to she send dose. It's been over a month now so she's got maximum immunity. Both had the Pfizer shot. Next up are dose two for mom and dad.
Wife is supposed to get her second shot in two hours. About an hour ago the place called, and didn’t leave a message. Been on hold now for an hour trying to figure out why they called, and if her appt has been cancelled. Very frustrating.
I so hope she gets it. Let us know.
I got my second Pfizer shot at 3:00 pm yesterday and oh boy was it a night. Woke up at 3:00 am this morning and it felt like a train had ran me over and tossed me into a freezing cold lake. Symptoms currently are headache, fatigue, chills, and a little bit of nausea. Nasty stuff. Took the day off so not all bad!
It is really interesting to hear everybody's reactions to the vaccine, especially to the second shot. They seem to run the gamut from just a tiny bit of sore arm to fevers/chills/headaches/fatigue, etc.
I have mentioned before that I got extremely tired/sleepy and had brain fog after my second shot that unfortunately lasted about a week or perhaps slightly longer. It has been three weeks now since I had it and I still occasionally feel really sleepy, but not fatigued or exercise-intolerant. I am about 99% back to normal (probably 100% and the other bit is psychosomatic owing to how bad I felt in the first few days after the shot). I can exercise, climb stairs, etc., just fine. I never had any fever or achiness or headache or anything. I had nausea for about 6 hours the second day. Just sleepiness and "brain fog."
Happy to have been able to get the vaccine, though, despite all that.
I received my second Moderna shot yesterday at 10:30 am, and thought it might be helpful to share the results after 24 hours. To put it in context, I am a 72-year-old man in good health with no underlying medical issues.
Following the first shot four weeks ago, I experienced only mild soreness localized at the vaccination site on my upper arm, which started in the late afternoon but was gone by the following afternoon. I had read that the second jab tends to produce more significant side effects in a higher number of people -- though it seems the impacts of the Pfizer vaccine generally exceed those of the Moderna; but I typically do not have any reaction to inoculations, so I went into post-second-shot phase with no particular expectations.
About 8 hours after the second shot, I started feeling some soreness in the upper arm similar to the aftermath of the first shot, but it was a little more pronounced. I sensed the soreness only when I lifted my arm and moved it around, not when it was lowered by my side and at rest. When I went to bed around midnight -- almost 14 hours after the second shot -- that was still the only effect I could feel, and it was not so severe as to make it difficult for me to fall asleep.
At about 3:30 am, I awoke, which is highly unusual since I normally sleep through the night with no problems. Surprisingly, I felt no discomfort of any kind, other than the soreness in my arm when I lifted it. But I had some difficulty getting back to sleep -- which may be attributable to the effects of the vaccine, but might just as easily be a result of the disturbance to my regular routine. In either case, I woke up again twice for very brief periods before my alarm went off at the customary time.
When I got up from bed, a little more than 20 hours after the vaccination, I noticed immediately that I had some of the familiar symptoms that others have described -- like a very mild case of flu, with some minor achiness/soreness across my shoulders and in my upper legs, along with a touch of "brain fog" and fatigue (the latter two being, again, similar to what I sometimes experience when I don't get a full night's sleep). About an hour later, I began to notice a slight headache -- which seemed remarkable, because it's extremely rare for me to get any kind of headache (unless I try to read too much without my reading glasses, LOL). But none of these side effects amounted to sufficient discomfort that I felt the need to take any medication, such as an analgesic.
Just after the 24-hour mark, about an hour ago, I could tell that even these effects were beginning to dissipate. Specifically, the muscle achiness, the brain fog, and the fatigue are now mostly gone. There's still some soreness in my arm where they gave me the shot, but it's subsiding, too.
It's evident that reactions to the vaccine are individualized, so your experience may be more or less unpleasant than mine. But to the extent that it might matter, I'd say that the temporary effects are a very small price to pay for the sense of relief and satisfaction that comes with knowing that we're doing all we can to protect ourselves and those around us from the risk of severe consequences from this virus.
About the arm soreness . . . I work at a VA hospital, so I was told by many to move the arm around a lot after the shot. Told that "In the Army, we did pushups after shots . . " Did not do this the first time, just sat at my desk on the computer for hours, and my arm hurt A LOT that evening. The second time, I moved it around a lot, pushups against the wall when I had a few minutes, etc. Very little pain at all.
Got my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine this morning.
I do have to say that I almost feel a little guilty. I signed up with the UC Health System (University of Cincinnati) to get my shot. There is no way they could have made the scheduling, registration, injection, and second shot scheduling any more efficient and smooth. I was really impressed at how well it was executed. Considering the ordeals I've heard about from many on this board, as well as similar difficulties from friends and family, I feel really lucky about my experience.
It's a shame that the planning and execution seems to be so poor in so many locations.
My 84 year old dad in a long term care facility (which got hit really hard last spring and was in the news for the grim number of deaths) got his second shot about four weeks ago. I feel like a huge weight is lifted off my shoulders. Woohoo!
I’m thrilled for you and can understand what a relief and blessing it is!
My mom is 87 and in a assisted care facility. She got her first dose about two weeks ago, so hasn't had dose two, yet. I still feel like a weight is lifted. I figure she's reasonably well protected, and the facility rules are strict enough that she's unlikely to come into high-risk contact with anyone for another month. My nephew's wedding is scheduled for this July in Oregon, and I am optimistic that I'll get to see her there. At this point, it mostly depends on whether the rollout gets to me before then, and I have a fair amount of faith that it will. I may even start making real plans for it.
I'm going in! Wish me luck! http://www.crazietalk.net/ourhouse/i...es/devil9f.gif
Related question (perhaps), I've wondered if the severity of the reaction has any correlation with one's proneness to contracting a serious viral reaction (i.e. those who react the strongest are those who would likely have had the greatest chance of hospitalization, while those with little response would be likely to perhaps not even know they had it). Doubt there is study on that question for COVID, but perhaps there is data for similar vaccine reactions.
See I would think it would be the opposite. Big reaction to a vaccine meaning that person’s immune system is ready to fight with everything it’s got. Maybe google has some information on it all. I do know that people under 55 years old had more side effects from the covid vaccine trials.
I can't say definitively but it is likely that the "strength" of the reaction to the vaccine has to do with the level of innate immune response in the individual. The innate immune response is the general response to any foreign antigen inside the body. It is independent of the pathogen. It happens in the first 24-48 after encounter with the foreign matter and is characterized by cytokine production (IL-6, TNFa, IL-1) that lead to fever or localized redness/swelling. The adaptive immune response (Ab from B cells and T cell response) takes longer to gear up. 10-14 days for an initial exposure and maybe ~7 days for a second (memory) exposure.
It is likely that the symptoms that occur in the 12-48 hour window are due to the LNP carrier molecule that envelops the mRNA in the vaccine and not the mRNA itself. Therefore, I don't think it has much direct link to how a person would react to an actual COVID infection.
On the other hand the strength of the innate response in an individual is frequently, but not always, correlated to the strength of the adaptive immune response. So there might be a connection between initial reactogenicity and overall vaccine immunity in general but not necessarily to the COVID vaccine specifically.
Also, the innate (and adaptive) immune response weakens with age and I have heard anecdotal evidence from the clinical trials (but not controlled studies) that older people have had less severe reactions to the vaccine on the whole than younger people.
rsvman - correct me if I am wrong, but I think that mask wearing will need to continue until herd immunity is achieved. If a large enough percentage of humans get vaccinated, and counting the number of people who have had COVID and have some immunity, then we will establish herd immunity and will be able to shed the mask.
I'm not rsvman, but based on posts above seems like if you've been vaccinated it's honestly safe to not wear a mask in a lot of situations, but we simply don't want to encourage that because you don't want to be the jerk not wearing a mask right now given nobody can possibly know you've been vaccinated. So, it's social norms and for the betterment of society ("we're all in this together"). Yes, theoretically you could still spread it even with the vaccine as that hasn't been definitely proven and that's the other holdout that people are having, but also stated earlier, it would be EXTREMELY surprising if that's the case as there isn't a single known similar virus that acts that way (which prevents disease, but not transmission). So, long story short, probably the bolded is true due to social reasons rather than medical...but can't achieve the medical herd immunity without the social norms/encouragement. And based on studies saying a large contingent will not take the vaccine, not sure we'll achieve herd immunity that soon. If it's 5+ years, are people going to still be wearing masks all day? Who knows...
Y’all are scaring me with your talk about developing brain fog after the second vaccine. What about folks like me, who live constantly in a dense brain fog. I might need a padded room to keep me from injuring myself.
If possible, I’ll give updates when I get stuck again on 2/15.
Update. I am about 30 hours post 2nd dose now. My day went better than my night. I progressively got better during the day and was feeling pretty good around dinner time but it’s starting to hit me a little bit now again. Headache, chills, fatigue. The three headed devil. I’ll be better prepared tonight with my ibuprofen so hopefully by morning I’ll be close to normal. My employer gives up to 10 paid days off for covid related stuff. This includes vaccine symptoms so I was pleasantly surprised this morning that I wouldn’t have to use any PTO.
Not sure if it has been mentioned but the V-Safe data collection is just so cool. I would love to get my hands on the data it’s collecting.
I have been entering my data into v-safe as well. I encourage everyone to sign up for that!
As I previously posted, my symptoms after the second shot (received Tuesday 2/2) were fairly mild. While I felt really achy that night and had a hard time sleeping, my symptoms were much improved by the next day. For the rest of this week I have felt a little tired and sluggish, and have had a mild headache, easily relieved by Tylenol. However, by evening each day I have noticed the joint aches returning, though not as bad as the first night. None of this has kept me from my normal activities, including exercise.
Since AstraZeneca’s vaccine is great at combating the UK variant, is it possible the third vaccine after two Moderna shots might be even more protective? I’m a bit uncertain about this as it looks like, according to Dr. F, the UK variant will soon be dominant in Florida where I reside. I’ve not read anything addressing whether both Moderna shots are effective.
Not a large scale human trial, but Moderna announced in January: "Vaccination with the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine produced neutralizing titers against all key emerging variants tested"
https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-retains-neutralizing-activity-against
There was a significant reduction in neutralizing titers in one variant (B.1.351) but it was still above the expected need to remain protective.
Not 100% conclusive, but certainly promising.
See my earlier post in the other thread, Moderna took sera from vaccinated individuals and ran the assay that measures neutralizing Ab in sera with both the vaccine strain virus and the UK variant (B.1.1.7). The vaccine produced similar amounts to both virus strains. Same process showed a 5-6 fold drop against the South African but that is likely still high enough to work well. Since that post Pfizer has published very similar findings (vaccine very good against UK, reduced but still strong against SA).
Small caveat that those were measurements of neutralizing Ab and not actual prevention of disease (efficacy). Novavax recently released interim Ph 3 efficacy data in the UK in which they sequenced most of their cases. The vaccine had 89% efficacy overall with 95% against ancestral vaccine strain and 86% against 501Y.V1 variant strain.
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Novavax also released interim results from Ph II trial in South Africa in which they had 60% efficacy (with no severe cases in vaccine group) to parental vaccine and 25/27 sequences were the SA 501y.V2 variant. So it was basically a trial of ancestral vaccine against SA variant.
So the data looks like all vaccines are working very well against the UK variant and and quite well against the SA variant (5 months ago I would have been very happy with 60% efficacy and no severe cases in vaccine group).
Thank you! I’ll feel protected as I return to the classroom next month.
Just to follow up and finalize this report, the mild flu-like aftereffects from my second Moderna vaccination had all disappeared by later in the day yesterday, except for some diminishing soreness at the site of the shot when I would lift the arm. I was able get a normal full night's sleep with no problems, and awoke this morning feeling completely normal again. So in sum, I experienced some very minor effects from the second Moderna jab -- a little bit of arm soreness that lasted until about 36 hours after, and some mild flu-like symptoms (a slight daze and perceptible muscle achiness in my shoulders and legs) that I noticed when I woke up the following morning, which lasted until mid-afternoon.
FWIW, my wife got her second Moderna shot yesterday morning, and as of noon today reports that she has felt no aftereffects except for the usual sore arm.
I received shot 1 of the Pfizer vaccine this morning.