Really? That is the title? Uhhhh... lame!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=adzYW5DZoWs
-Jason "the Emperor is back?!?! Whaaaaat?" Evans
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Really? That is the title? Uhhhh... lame!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=adzYW5DZoWs
-Jason "the Emperor is back?!?! Whaaaaat?" Evans
Is that Palpatine's laugh at the end?
It's not the most inspiring title, but I'll take it. Feels like some kind of misdirection though.
Prequel twist: The Emperor did have the secret to immortality/bringing back the dead all along. It just didn't suit his purposes to share it with Anakin/Vader.Quote:
-Jason "the Emperor is back?!?! Whaaaaat?" Evans
Oh, also my first reaction:
Billy Dee!!!!
Oh geez. Here we go again.
I agree. Lame title unless they are planning on doing a retcon for Ray's parentage or use a branch of the family tree past Shimi.
What we know:
Shimi Skywalker + unknown father = Anakin (only known child)
Anaki + Padme = Luke and Leia
Luke - No known children
Leia - Ben Solo turned Sith Kylo Ren
That's it. So unless we are counting Ben Solo a skywalker (and I don't) there are no known skywalkers left without going up to Luke unknown grandfather which after 8 movies would be incredibly lame.
Awful horrible no good title.
Would not surprise me in the slightest. It might not even be a retcon...why are we assuming Kylo was telling the truth (or correct) about her parentage. It doesn't even really make sense that they would be Jakku junk traders that sold her for drinking money, because she has a (presumably real) memory of them flying away in a ship (whereas Kylo implies they are dead in a "pauper's grave" on Jakku).
I've been expecting the "her parents were nobodies" to turn out "mostly false" since I saw that scene in the theater. Of course, there is a theory (that I do not subscribe to, but is possible) that her parents are "nobody" (in this theory she is a clone) which would make it true "from a certain point of view".
Also, that's the wreckage of one of the Death Stars at the end right?
Maybe the writers were watching Westworld and the force was able to work some magic with the new LU-K3 droid that Rey has been secretly working on?
Anakin's dad were the midi-chlorians.
Twins run in the genes, right? I'm guessing even more so when the genes are midichlorinated. So ….
Rey and Ben are twins, Rey was taken away at birth for her safety. Thus the awkward Ben/Rey scenes mirror the awkward Luke/Lea scenes of the original trilogy
I really hope the Rey heritage is not retconned... I didn't really have this opinion going into the Last Jedi, but after seeing it, I think Rey not having an important family was 100% perfect and exactly what Star Wars needed.
That said, I can see them pulling something like "her parents being no one was techincally correct... but her grandfather is Palpatine". It's suspicious she doesn't have a last name, even a placeholder one. Maybe she adopts the name Skywalker at the end, and it becomes sorta like "Darth" is for the Sith?
Star Wars has always had religious overtones. In The Last Jedi Luke vanished. Could the Rise of Skywalker be referring to him?
I think people are being too liberal with the use of the word "retconned" here...heck arguably her parents being nobody was a retcon by that usage. You either handwave away what Kylo said (by making it a lie, which is easy enough and is perfectly in character for a dark side user trying to manipulate someone), or handwave away the scene of Rey's parents leaving Jakku in a ship (I don't know quite how you square that). There are problems either way, I guess.
I am glad I am not the only one who thinks the title is...<ahem>...terrible.
Other than that I will remain hopelessly optimistic that it is a great movie.
Not really the same thing though...Luke's parentage is pretty firmly established on screen. Rey's parentage is established by two lines from a character with motivation to lie, in direct conflict with other information (Rey's flashback) that we have.
Well, it's Rey who first says that her parents are nobody, not Kylo. The scene is set up to show her using some Jedi sense or just plain old repressed memory to come to the truth that her parents were no one. Yes, technically speaking, they could say "oh, Rey was just wrong". But that clearly wasn't the intention in the original scene.
What if Skywalker is now a title and not a name? The Jedi are gone - maybe Skywalker is the new name of those trained in the ways of the Light Side of the Force.
But we know the E8 director (Rian Johnson) was given the freedom to answer the question of Rey's parentage because there was no actual plan in place after E7 for how to answer it. J.J. Abrams had done what he often does and set up the question but didn't necessarily know where it was going to go, so Johnson made a choice and went with it (that Rey's parents are nobodies). Johnson was explicitly asked in a recent interview whether he would be okay with a retcon of Rey's parentage, and he basically said he would be fine with it and that he looks forward to seeing what J.J. Abrams can do to surprise and entertain him as a viewer.
So the whole retcon discussion seems to be flowing from the fact that the E8 director publicly acknowledged it (instead of, say, answering that there was always a plan in place and that viewers will just have to see how it plays out).
Saw this comment thread on /r/movies and it sums up my thoughts nicely:
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It's impressive that they managed to make a trilogy where each movie contradicts the previous one.
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A great point.
Episode VII: The Empire was never destroyed, the Republic is now nonexistent, and Han and Leia didn't end up together lol
Episode VIII: Rey's parents are unimportant, Phasma's not dead (wait yes she is, maybe), the knights of Ren aren't really a thing, hell even Kylo's mask is pointless
Episode IX: Kill the past? Nah how bout bring back Lando, Palpatine, the Death Star, also maybe Rey's parents are important, and let's put Skywalker in the title
Maybe...maybe they should've written an outline before they started.
Count me in the camp with those who are okay with the title part. I watch the movies to be entertained, it doesn't really matter to me what you call it.
It does make sense to wrap it up this way. As the trailer says "The Saga Comes To An End"...and the saga is all about the Skywalker family. It's been nice having new characters, but the story is about the Skywalkers. Can't not have one (or more?) be a major focus as it all wraps up.
It was a direct reply to your comment, "But establishing that a bad guy was lying? No, that's not a creating retroactive continuity."
Why can't we assume Vader was lying to try and turn Luke to the dark side. It almost worked.
How do we know Vader was right? It's not like there has been a DNA test or anything...are we going to trust Luke's feelings on this?
Wow, the negativity on this thread is amazing. It’s almost like a game thread.
Title is fine with me. The trailers are just to hook you, not to give away the story.
It will be fine.
Even without Episodes 1-3, there is a big difference between:
a) Reversing the climactic scene in the concluding film of a trilogy (also one of the most well known scenes in all of movie history), in which the main character arcs are resolved
and
b) Revealing that an intentionally vague scene in the middle of the 2nd film in a trilogy included manipulation by a character that has already been established as capable of manipulating people's thoughts
https://www.yahoo.com/style/star-war...102900443.htmlQuote:
Abrams has also hinted that there's more to Rey's parentage that we have been led on to believe, the director teasing: "I don't want to say that what happens in Episode 8 [didn't happen]. We have honoured that.
"But I will say that there's more to the story than you've seen."
Rey is Yoda and Palpatine’s love child...
It would not be entirely surprising given all the Count I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.u, Asaj Ventress, Darth Maul, Vader and Palpatine “there can be only two” side schemes that Rey is someone’s hidden project.
Will Finn end up as a long lost son of Lando? There certainly was speculation about that for Force Awakens.
It’s too late for “Rise of Skywalker”, my hope for Star Wars post Lucas was an expansion of the universe and its stories.