I interpreted that scene differently, so not sure about "clearly"...didn't believe it at the time and still don't.
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What if Skywalker is now a title and not a name? The Jedi are gone - maybe Skywalker is the new name of those trained in the ways of the Light Side of the Force.
But we know the E8 director (Rian Johnson) was given the freedom to answer the question of Rey's parentage because there was no actual plan in place after E7 for how to answer it. J.J. Abrams had done what he often does and set up the question but didn't necessarily know where it was going to go, so Johnson made a choice and went with it (that Rey's parents are nobodies). Johnson was explicitly asked in a recent interview whether he would be okay with a retcon of Rey's parentage, and he basically said he would be fine with it and that he looks forward to seeing what J.J. Abrams can do to surprise and entertain him as a viewer.
So the whole retcon discussion seems to be flowing from the fact that the E8 director publicly acknowledged it (instead of, say, answering that there was always a plan in place and that viewers will just have to see how it plays out).
Saw this comment thread on /r/movies and it sums up my thoughts nicely:
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It's impressive that they managed to make a trilogy where each movie contradicts the previous one.
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A great point.
Episode VII: The Empire was never destroyed, the Republic is now nonexistent, and Han and Leia didn't end up together lol
Episode VIII: Rey's parents are unimportant, Phasma's not dead (wait yes she is, maybe), the knights of Ren aren't really a thing, hell even Kylo's mask is pointless
Episode IX: Kill the past? Nah how bout bring back Lando, Palpatine, the Death Star, also maybe Rey's parents are important, and let's put Skywalker in the title
Maybe...maybe they should've written an outline before they started.
Count me in the camp with those who are okay with the title part. I watch the movies to be entertained, it doesn't really matter to me what you call it.
It does make sense to wrap it up this way. As the trailer says "The Saga Comes To An End"...and the saga is all about the Skywalker family. It's been nice having new characters, but the story is about the Skywalkers. Can't not have one (or more?) be a major focus as it all wraps up.
It was a direct reply to your comment, "But establishing that a bad guy was lying? No, that's not a creating retroactive continuity."
Why can't we assume Vader was lying to try and turn Luke to the dark side. It almost worked.
How do we know Vader was right? It's not like there has been a DNA test or anything...are we going to trust Luke's feelings on this?
Wow, the negativity on this thread is amazing. It’s almost like a game thread.
Title is fine with me. The trailers are just to hook you, not to give away the story.
It will be fine.
Even without Episodes 1-3, there is a big difference between:
a) Reversing the climactic scene in the concluding film of a trilogy (also one of the most well known scenes in all of movie history), in which the main character arcs are resolved
and
b) Revealing that an intentionally vague scene in the middle of the 2nd film in a trilogy included manipulation by a character that has already been established as capable of manipulating people's thoughts
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Abrams has also hinted that there's more to Rey's parentage that we have been led on to believe, the director teasing: "I don't want to say that what happens in Episode 8 [didn't happen]. We have honoured that.
"But I will say that there's more to the story than you've seen."
Rey is Yoda and Palpatine’s love child...
It would not be entirely surprising given all the Count I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.u, Asaj Ventress, Darth Maul, Vader and Palpatine “there can be only two” side schemes that Rey is someone’s hidden project.
Will Finn end up as a long lost son of Lando? There certainly was speculation about that for Force Awakens.
It’s too late for “Rise of Skywalker”, my hope for Star Wars post Lucas was an expansion of the universe and its stories.