Coach G

[homebre]

Any feeling on whether or not Coach G would actually leave Duke for Texas, LSU, etc., or is this just a negotiating ploy? She could outright deny it, but hasn't. I hope this isn't a distraction for the team, because they deserve a championship.

Andy from HIllsborough

[dockfan]

I'd say there's pretty much NO chance of Coach G leaving Duke for another school. If there were family concerns or ties to another area, it might happen, but to my knowledge she has no connection to Texas or LSU, and both of those programs are a fairly significant step down from Duke right now and in the near future.

There's probably a better chance of Pat Summitt leaving Tennessee or Geno Auriemma leaving UConn, either to coach professionally or switch to the men's side.

Maybe the only chance for Coach G to jump to another school would be if Michigan were to build fantastic facilities, make her the highest-paid coach in women's basketball, and maybe even offer her husband Tommy Amaker's old job to sweeten the deal. :)

[gadzooks]

I just saw a post about this on the Women's Hoops Blog (http://womenshoops.blogspot.com/2007/03/via-jay-dukes-ad-all-but-says-that-his.html), and I'm somewhat alarmed--the quote from Joe Alleva isn't reassuring:

"[Pat Summitt and Geno Auriemma have] both won a lot of national championships and are part of programs that make money for their institutions. They bring in profit for their athletic departments, and that's not the case for our women's program," Alleva said. "I'm sure some of these other institutions will offer significantly large packages to encourage her to go."While I can understand to some extent making profitability an issue, this year particularly is a bad one to start say that. The men washed out in the first round of the tournament, while the women have a very good shot at winning it all; Coach G has turned the Duke women's program into a national powerhouse; people camped out for the first time for a women's game; yet you're apparently not willing to consider paying her what she's worth? I just hope that she's happy enough at Duke that money isn't the only consideration for her.

[gadzooks]

I...maybe even offer her husband Tommy Amaker's old job to sweeten the deal. :)I've heard that she and her husband have split. :(

[dockfan]

I've heard that she and her husband have split. :(

Whoa, that certainly changes things. I had not heard that.

Plus, Coach G first saying "I don't know" when asked if she was interested in the Texas job is a little curious.

Still, the talk (on Alleva's side and her side) is probably just negotiating tactics.

I'd be shocked to see her leave, especially with the new practice facility they are building at Duke (for the men and the women), the recruits coming in next year, and of course the potential to coach Elena Delle Donne in two years (who is most definitely NOT looking at LSU, Texas, Florida, or Michigan).

It would be inexcusable, though, if Coach G's comments spurred enough speculation over the next couple weeks to cause a major distraction for this team.

[phaedrus]

I just saw a post about this on the Women's Hoops Blog (http://womenshoops.blogspot.com/2007/03/via-jay-dukes-ad-all-but-says-that-his.html), and I'm somewhat alarmed--the quote from Joe Alleva isn't reassuring:
While I can understand to some extent making profitability an issue, this year particularly is a bad one to start say that. The men washed out in the first round of the tournament, while the women have a very good shot at winning it all; Coach G has turned the Duke women's program into a national powerhouse; people camped out for the first time for a women's game; yet you're apparently not willing to consider paying her what she's worth? I just hope that she's happy enough at Duke that money isn't the only consideration for her.

you can't compare salaries across revenue and non-revenue sports. it would be like complaining that the swimming coach makes 15 times less than coach k. the issue is not how good the team is - the women's field hockey and cross-country teams are just as successful, if not moreso. i'd be surprised if the women's cross-country coach was pulling in $50,000/yr.

[gadzooks]

you can't compare salaries across revenue and non-revenue sports. it would be like complaining that the swimming coach makes 15 times less than coach k. the issue is not how good the team is - the women's field hockey and cross-country teams are just as successful, if not moreso. i'd be surprised if the women's cross-country coach was pulling in $50,000/yr.I'm not sure I understand what point you're making here. Coach G's salary isn't being compared to that of coaches of other sports at Duke, but to those of coaches of other women's basketball programs, which is a very valid comparison, IMO.

[phaedrus]

the difference is that a few other women's programs ARE revenue sports, thus they can justify the $500,000+ salaries.

as long as duke's program is non-revenue (and as far as i know, it's not close to being otherwise) it's not logical to compare salaries to a revenue sport. thus the comparison with our other non-revenue sports.

edit: as an addendum, you can make the same argument that certain football coaches are making way too much (i.e. programs not pulling in money). you won't get any argument from me.

[hughgs]

the difference is that a few other women's programs ARE revenue sports, thus they can justify the $500,000+ salaries.

as long as duke's program is non-revenue (and as far as i know, it's not close to being otherwise) it's not logical to compare salaries to a revenue sport. thus the comparison with our other non-revenue sports.

edit: as an addendum, you can make the same argument that certain football coaches are making way too much (i.e. programs not pulling in money). you won't get any argument from me.

I think you mean revenue generating sports. Women's basketball is considered a revenue sport by Duke.

[MulletMan]

I think you mean revenue generating sports. Women's basketball is considered a revenue sport by Duke.

Women's basketball lost $2million last season. I can't imagine that Duke defines this as a "revenue sport".

http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2007/03/20/News/Would.Coach.G.Leave.Duke-2782112.shtml?reffeature=recentlycommentedstoriest ab

[hughgs]

Women's basketball lost $2million last season. I can't imagine that Duke defines this as a "revenue sport".

http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2007/03/20/News/Would.Coach.G.Leave.Duke-2782112.shtml?reffeature=recentlycommentedstoriest ab

While I agree that the team has lost money I do believe that Duke considers both basketball teams and the football team as revenue sports. That is always the explanation given to me for why the women's team charges money for admission. I could be wrong, but that is my current belief.

Now, whether revenue sports requires that the sport generate positive revenue is another question. That is why I made the distinction between revenue generating sport and revenue sport.

[Kewlswim]

I've heard that she and her husband have split. :(


Hi,

(Fixes hair in mirror and makes sure teeth are clean). Well, OK, if she is interested in an accomplished California businessman who loves life and would support her in all endeavors please have her get a hold of me. After the tourney, of course. Maybe we could go on a trip somewhere to celebrate the season. :D

Kewl "wow I would be a happy man" swim

[gadzooks]

Women's basketball is classified as a revenue sport by the NCAA, though the vast majority actually lose money. Here (http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060226/NEWSREC0101/602260313) is an interesting article on women's teams, and specifically ACC teams, and their money situation. I think there's a good point raised there, and that's that you have to spend money to make money. Now that Duke's team is doing so well, they really could be marketed a lot more aggressively and have a shot at turning a profit, or at least reducing the losses quite a bit.

[rsvman]

Heck, the University of Michigan should offer her the MEN'S basketball head coaching job; that might be worth leaving for, and they could give her a very good salary.

If anybody knows of any NCAA rules that forbid a woman from coaching a men's team, let me know. I figure if Geno can coach the women Connvicts, Gail could coach the Michigan men's team.

[dockfan]

Heck, the University of Michigan should offer her the MEN'S basketball head coaching job; that might be worth leaving for, and they could give her a very good salary.

If anybody knows of any NCAA rules that forbid a woman from coaching a men's team, let me know. I figure if Geno can coach the women Connvicts, Gail could coach the Michigan men's team.

Geno wouldn't coach the UConn men- he'd leave to coach the men at Rutgers or St. John's or something, so he could directly compete against Calhoun.

And I would instantly become the biggest Geno fan.

[mapei]

What kewlswin said. ;)

[throatybeard]

At some places, I think, WBB is the money-losingest sport. This is because it draws less revenue than MBB does, but it has to spend money on a revenue-sport scale because of trans-continental travel, tv schedules, &c. Men's wrestling and women's track don't have to spend the kind of money that WBB does getting to holiday tournaments in Hawaii and what have you. So it's this weird hybrid of rev/nonrev.

[3rd Dukie]

Hi,

(Fixes hair in mirror and makes sure teeth are clean). Well, OK, if she is interested in an accomplished California businessman who loves life and would support her in all endeavors please have her get a hold of me. After the tourney, of course. Maybe we could go on a trip somewhere to celebrate the season. :D

Kewl "wow I would be a happy man" swim

Kewl,

(Fixes BOTH hairs and puts teeth back in) Why would she call you? I fit that description as well. http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif
;)

3rd

[Kewlswim]

Kewl,

(Fixes BOTH hairs and puts teeth back in) Why would she call you? I fit that description as well. http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif
;)

3rd

Hi,

Meanie. :mad: I can dream can't I? Some guy like Mark Alarie will probably sweep her off her feet and I will be left with a broken heart.

GO DUKE!

[3rd Dukie]

Hi,

Meanie. :mad: I can dream can't I? Some guy like Mark Alarie will probably sweep her off her feet and I will be left with a broken heart.

GO DUKE!

I figured her for the Jay Bilas type. http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif
:cool:

[hurleyfor3]

If anybody knows of any NCAA rules that forbid a woman from coaching a men's team, let me know. I figure if Geno can coach the women Connvicts, Gail could coach the Michigan men's team.

Geno is too ethical to run the uconn men's program.

[Bluedog]

Heck, the University of Michigan should offer her the MEN'S basketball head coaching job; that might be worth leaving for, and they could give her a very good salary.

If anybody knows of any NCAA rules that forbid a woman from coaching a men's team, let me know. I figure if Geno can coach the women Connvicts, Gail could coach the Michigan men's team.

Teresa Phillips, the AD of Tennessee State University, coached the men's team for a single game in 2003 vs Austin Peay State University.
http://www.tsutigers.com/fullstory.cfm?id=181&sport=1

[Kewlswim]

I figured her for the Jay Bilas type. http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif
:cool:

Hi,

No way, Bilas is way too critical for her. :)

Go Duke!

[hurleyfor3]

Hi,

No way, Bilas is way too critical for her. :)

Go Duke!

Jay would ceaselessly talk about how great every OTHER woman is EXCEPT her.

[rsvman]

Geno is too ethical to run the uconn men's program.
It seems that everyone except bluedog misunderstood my point. I was trying to say that if it is OK for a man to coach a women's team, why couldn't a woman coach a men's team?

That's all I was trying to ask. Forget I mentioned Geno and think about the concept. If ever there was a woman capable of coaching a men's team and making it work, perhaps Coach G is the one. Eventually, a women WILL coach a men's team, don't you think?

[Bluedog]

I have a random question somewhat unrelated to this thread. In any event, I was wondering why Coach G (and most other women's coaches, it seems) have a huddle exclusively with the coaches for about the first 30 seconds or so of the timeout before talking to the players. The players are also talking amongst themselves for the first 30 seconds, I assume.

I'd think that you'd want to maximize the amount of time you talk to your players, and would already have a game plan in place to tell them what it is. Is Coach G just consulting with the other coaches so they are in agreement with what they propose to the players? What possible advantages does this method exhibit? It seems to drastically reduce the amount of time she gets to talk to her players, which seems, to me, to be the main purpose of a time-out.

Maybe I am just being stupid...

[dockfan]

It seems that everyone except bluedog misunderstood my point. I was trying to say that if it is OK for a man to coach a women's team, why couldn't a woman coach a men's team?

That's all I was trying to ask. Forget I mentioned Geno and think about the concept. If ever there was a woman capable of coaching a men's team and making it work, perhaps Coach G is the one. Eventually, a women WILL coach a men's team, don't you think?

I agree with you - women will coach men's teams eventually, and there is really no good reason why they shouldn't. It is only a matter of time, though it still make take many more years for someone to break through that ceiling. In many ways, women's basketball coaches have a much tougher job. For example, it is far more difficult to motivate female athletes and to build/maintain team chemistry among women (guys will play with teammates they hate, as long as they can play; with most guys, just challenge their manhood or toughness, and they will pick it up).

But I don't think Coach G is the best candidate just because her coaching style at this point probably wouldn't easily adapt to the men's game. Pat Summit is the best candidate among current female coaches - her withering glare has no gender bias. She has more of an in-your-face motivational style, which generally works better for guys.

If you think about it, (paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud) ARGUABLY, men might be most effective coaching women 18+ yrs old, and women would be most effective coaching men 18+ yrs old. Not to get too detailed about this theory, but if anyone is familiar with Anson Dorrance's or Geno Auriemma's thoughts on this issue it sort of goes like this: most female athletes are psychologically wired to want to please a father-figure/male coach type. Vice versa for guys- if a mother-figure/female coach ever says she is disappointed with their effort, etc., many male athletes would respond better to that (they might tune out "dad's" criticism). It's a theory, nothing more.

[Rich]

but to my knowledge she has no connection to Texas or LSU, and both of those programs are a fairly significant step down from Duke right now and in the near future.

Historically, women's teams from LSU and Texas have been able to develop much more of a fan base than at Duke. Do we ever fill up Cameron for women's games other than maybe UNC?

While these programs may be down now, Coach G could look at this as a new challenge and, in the long run, I think there is more potential for her to actually generate revenue at schools like these so she could command a higher salary. I wouldn't want to see it happen because she's becoming (has become) as important to the women's program as K is to the men and is slowly but surely building a dynasty similar to Duke men. A championship would solidify her place in Duke and NCAA history for sure.

But these are the facts as I see them and money talks. Truth is, if she can't get it here, there is no reason not to expect her to shop herself around. Who wouldn't expect her to?

[CMS2478]

I have a random question somewhat unrelated to this thread. In any event, I was wondering why Coach G (and most other women's coaches, it seems) have a huddle exclusively with the coaches for about the first 30 seconds or so of the timeout before talking to the players. The players are also talking amongst themselves for the first 30 seconds, I assume.

I'd think that you'd want to maximize the amount of time you talk to your players, and would already have a game plan in place to tell them what it is. Is Coach G just consulting with the other coaches so they are in agreement with what they propose to the players? What possible advantages does this method exhibit? It seems to drastically reduce the amount of time she gets to talk to her players, which seems, to me, to be the main purpose of a time-out.

Maybe I am just being stupid...


I have stated on here before that I coach a middle school basketball team and I know that sometimes I call a timeout when the other team is making a run and things are not going well and them I am not sure what we need to do different. I think the hardest part of being a coach is making IN-GAME strategy changes. You can always look back and say "oh I should have done this," but the great coaches are the ones who can make those changes and adjustments during the game the quickest. So I think during those huddles they are putting there heads together to determine the adjustments that need to be made. I know as a head coach you get caught up with the officials, substitutions, timeouts, the score, etc. and it is easy to overlook a simple adjustment that could be made to benefit your team. That is where the assistant coaches come in and observe something and make suggestions to the head coach and then he/she has the authority to make the change or not. I know I coach the team by myself and there are plenty of times I wish I had assistants to get their advice or input about things DURING THE GAME. That is what I envision going on those huddles:confused: But for all I know they could be talking about the new hairstyle that one of them just got. ;)

[jjasper0729]

I have a random question somewhat unrelated to this thread. In any event, I was wondering why Coach G (and most other women's coaches, it seems) have a huddle exclusively with the coaches for about the first 30 seconds or so of the timeout before talking to the players. The players are also talking amongst themselves for the first 30 seconds, I assume.

I'd think that you'd want to maximize the amount of time you talk to your players, and would already have a game plan in place to tell them what it is. Is Coach G just consulting with the other coaches so they are in agreement with what they propose to the players? What possible advantages does this method exhibit? It seems to drastically reduce the amount of time she gets to talk to her players, which seems, to me, to be the main purpose of a time-out.

also, with the extended media time outs that the women's game has now, the first thing the coaches do (some of them, not all, see coach K) is to let the players sit and get their quick drink. instead of just waiting with nothing to say while that happens, they discuss with the assistants, get their input and then go address the players.

It's usually only the long media or full time outs that this happens on. You don't see it on the 30 second time outs obviously.

[dougc33]

As to the huddle...could this be the female consensus-building style of leading dynamic being played out at a major-college-sport level?

Would be an intriguing thesis for an enterprising Sociology major - compare the leadership styles of Coaches K and G! Maybe a BBall player (men's or women's) could do it as they know half the equation intimately!

[bird]

I have a random question somewhat unrelated to this thread. In any event, I was wondering why Coach G (and most other women's coaches, it seems) have a huddle exclusively with the coaches for about the first 30 seconds or so of the timeout before talking to the players.

I recall G being asked that question once, and her saying that its important to make clear, simple points in a timeout, and the coaches' huddle is designed to avoid mixed messages in the team huddle by reaching agreement on what is going to be said and by whom.

[JBDuke]

Hi,

(Fixes hair in mirror and makes sure teeth are clean). Well, OK, if she is interested in an accomplished California businessman who loves life and would support her in all endeavors please have her get a hold of me. After the tourney, of course. Maybe we could go on a trip somewhere to celebrate the season. :D

Kewl "wow I would be a happy man" swim

Traitorous swine! What would Doris say????? ;)

[throatybeard]

Traitorous swine! What would Doris say????? ;)


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