Thoughts on next Duke asst coach

[duketaylor]

Lots of folks like NateDog or C-well, what do y'all think? I wonder if GMan would come in to work with the bigs and Wojo works with the guards, food for thought. Who should be our next coach?

[Edouble]

I might like someone from outside the Duke family--someone who's not afraid to tell Coach K that he's wrong once in a while. I think it must be hard for guys that are 30 years younger and played for Coach K to tell him that they disagree. I think we have enough guys that know the Duke culture and we could use a fresh prospective on our process. Young guys are good, but old guys are too. Most other schools have both on the bench. How about getting Dave Odom, Pat Kennedy, or Bobby Cremins? OK, OK, maybe not Cremins.

[freedevil]

I might like someone from outside the Duke family--someone who's not afraid to tell Coach K that he's wrong once in a while. I think it must be hard for guys that are 30 years younger and played for Coach K to tell him that they disagree. I think we have enough guys that know the Duke culture and we could use a fresh prospective on our process. Young guys are good, but old guys are too. Most other schools have both on the bench. How about getting Dave Odom, Pat Kennedy, or Bobby Cremins? OK, OK, maybe not Cremins.

Relationships change over time, I think. While I can see Wojo and Collins choosing to pick their battles at times out of respect/deference (whatever you want to call it, fear maybe?), I have a feeling they aren't afraid to tell K when they disagree with him. I'm sure K knows that when his assistants disagree with him it's not to pick a fight, but because they sincerely believe its in the best interests of Duke basketball to make a certain decision or go in a certain direction.

I actually prefer someone from in the family.

[gep]

Relationships change over time, I think. While I can see Wojo and Collins choosing to pick their battles at times out of respect/deference (whatever you want to call it, fear maybe?), I have a feeling they aren't afraid to tell K when they disagree with him. I'm sure K knows that when his assistants disagree with him it's not to pick a fight, but because they sincerely believe its in the best interests of Duke basketball to make a certain decision or go in a certain direction.

I actually prefer someone from in the family.

It is also my impression (gut feel, I guess) that Coach K welcomes and encourages opposing views/ideas from his, and subsequent discussions. After all, one doesn't become a "guru" in business/management without some kind of philosophy as this. In that sense, I don't see a problem from "within the family". I also thought of the G-man... he seems like a really good guy... and definitely qualified... with his number hanging up there... in addition to his yearly work with TV where he sees all ACC teams a bunch...

[tommy]

I might like someone from outside the Duke family--someone who's not afraid to tell Coach K that he's wrong once in a while. I think it must be hard for guys that are 30 years younger and played for Coach K to tell him that they disagree. I think we have enough guys that know the Duke culture and we could use a fresh prospective on our process. Young guys are good, but old guys are too. Most other schools have both on the bench. How about getting Dave Odom, Pat Kennedy, or Bobby Cremins? OK, OK, maybe not Cremins.

Odom? But how would the Crazies deal with it after having serenaded him for years with one of my favorite "cheers": "Lit-tle Co-oach!"

[accfanfrom1970]

Any chance someone with previous head coaching expeirence but also a former Duke player would come back as an assistant? Henderson or Banks?

[dukemomLA]

We need a Big Man coach, a free throw specialist and a sports psychologist. As to the sports psychologist...with the Duke Med Center one of the best in the world, I've been mystified that there isn't anyone -- to my knowledge -- serving in that role. Am I just out of the loop? As to the free throw specialist, the few teams that have employed such have shown great strides in that area. As to a Big Man coach, part of it is perception. We haven't been able to attract great Big Men lately, and the ones we've had/have don't show the improvement and impact that they should.

Y'all know I don't know anything, but... just an observation from a dummy.

[Dukie4Life]

Well I can see Nate stepping into the role. He was a 3 or 4 in college so that will help the bigs! And if anyone's seen Nate lately he's huge!!! So he can bang around with the likes of Single and Zoubek for sure!

I agree that it needs to stay in the Duke family. Christian Laettner is in Durham maybe he has some free time! I'm not sure that Coach K's son-in-law is even in the mix for the posistion. that is quite a jump from being in charge of the team managers to being an assistant coach for the best in the country!

I trust coach. He is going to do what he thinks needs to be done! Only time will tell!

[buzz]

What about Mike Jarvis? I believe he and Coach K are friends, so he might fit the bill for those seeking a peer relationship. I realize there were some problems at St Johns, but from what I recall it was mostly players behaving badly off-the-court. With coach K running a tight ship, I'm not too concerned about that happening. One thing I like is that he has experience in recruiting some guys who were flying just under the radar. He still managed to find a few nuggets along the way. Then again, there's NBA legend Yinka Dare.

Quin Snyder, anyone?

Oh, and I hear Nolan Richardson wants to get back to coaching in the NCAA. :D

[gw67]

Jarvis is an interesting name to throw out. He is smart, articulate, experienced, and he recruited and coached a bunch of big men at GWU. I met him a handful of times and was very impressed. He was friendly, open and was willing to discuss a variety of issues at length. I would take him back in a heartbeat. I also believe that he is a close friend of Coach K.

I also like the idea of Nate.

gw67

[CameronBornAndBred]

I'm with dukemomLA. It should be a big man coach. I don't care if it's someone who is outside the fold, but I strongly doubt it. K has built a pretty strong tradition of going with past players. I think Nate would be a fine choice. I can't see Jarvis, just because he has head coaching experience. That reverse path might be common in football, where they have a gazillion coaches, but the bball staff is pretty small. I know it does happen time to time, but much less often, and usually it involves guys who were HC's at small schools.

[BD80]

Mike D'Antoni would be a great one year hire! Toronto really wants him (the Suns new management does not) but how do you fire a guy that is doing well with the team?

This will give Mike a chance to scout internationally for Duke and for his next NBA team while he is working for Team USA. It would give us a heightened international credibility and even more credibility with high school players who want to run D'Antoni's offense. Talk about some great NBA training!

Coach K and his staff would see how D'Antoni coaches college players in the system. D'Antoni would get a year or so to work with Coach K on coaching defense. Truly a symbiotic relationship!

Working with Mike D'Antoni would improve the resumes of Collins and Wojo, and make them even more attractive for openings next year.

[Inonehand]

We need a Big Man coach, a free throw specialist and a sports psychologist. As to the sports psychologist...with the Duke Med Center one of the best in the world, I've been mystified that there isn't anyone -- to my knowledge -- serving in that role. Am I just out of the loop? As to the free throw specialist, the few teams that have employed such have shown great strides in that area. As to a Big Man coach, part of it is perception. We haven't been able to attract great Big Men lately, and the ones we've had/have don't show the improvement and impact that they should.

Y'all know I don't know anything, but... just an observation from a dummy.

Coach K's daughter, Lindy, serves as their sports psychologist.

[dukeimac]

What are the odds a guy or two from the Duke assistants go with Dawkins to Standford?

Dawkins would be best served if he picked up an assistant who has had some head coaching experience and maybe an ex-Dukie. I could see Collins going with him to be his third and may Nate his fourth.

I would love it if Mike Jarvis came to be Coach Ks top assistant. As pointed out, I think he could recruit some bigs and is an outside guy. Thus, this might help with the issue that the coaches are too much Duke.

D'Antoni's will stay in the pros, he'll get big bucks from someone there and I don't see him as a college coach. College coaches have to teach the game and pro coaches manage the game. D'Antoni is a manager.

[Jumbo]

Y'all know I don't know anything, but... just an observation from a dummy.

If you think you don't know anything, why would you post your opinions anyway for all the world to see? I don't get it...

[Jumbo]

Mike D'Antoni would be a great one year hire! Toronto really wants him (the Suns new management does not) but how do you fire a guy that is doing well with the team?

This will give Mike a chance to scout internationally for Duke and for his next NBA team while he is working for Team USA. It would give us a heightened international credibility and even more credibility with high school players who want to run D'Antoni's offense. Talk about some great NBA training!

Coach K and his staff would see how D'Antoni coaches college players in the system. D'Antoni would get a year or so to work with Coach K on coaching defense. Truly a symbiotic relationship!

Working with Mike D'Antoni would improve the resumes of Collins and Wojo, and make them even more attractive for openings next year.

Yeah, winning NBA coaches often move to college assistant jobs ...

[BD80]

D'Antoni's will stay in the pros, he'll get big bucks from someone there and I don't see him as a college coach. College coaches have to teach the game and pro coaches manage the game. D'Antoni is a manager.

There is only one job in the NBA that fits Mike D'Antoni, the Toronto Raptors. The Raptors might fire Sam Mitchell if D'Antoni becomes available.

D'Antoni's strength is the international game, where he coached for a while. His system would fit few other teams.

His reputation for lack of defense will scare off some organizations. To an extent that reputation is unfair because I don't think anyone can get Steve Nash or Amare Stoudamire to play defense. When your point guard cannot stop penetration and your big man refuses to rotate to help, your team is going to struggle defensively.

I don't think it likely D'Antoni would come to Duke (even understanding it would be a temporary job until a good NBA opportunity comes up), but there are worse ways to spend an off year. He already has a good relationship with Coach K.

Does Cuban go for D'Antoni for the Mavs? Is D'Antoni desperate enough to go to the Knicks?

D'Antoni is a coach and a teacher, he wouldn't be on the Team USA coaching staff otherwise. You don't become so successful overseas just being a manager. You don't install an entirely new offensive scheme in the NBA by merely managing.

[BD80]

Yeah, winning NBA coaches often move to college assistant jobs ...

Yeah, college assistant jobs "often" open up at prestigious universities with a hall of fame coach who is also the Team USA coach who has also developed a relationship with the recently FIRED "winning" NBA coach. Does the "fired" negate the "winning" appellation? There are more than a few NBA coaches who have taken college coaching jobs less prestigious than assistant to Coach K.

I did not say it was likely. It is worth discussing. I happen to think the situation at Duke would merit D'Antoni's consideration for a year while the right job opens up.

Taking for granted that there is some basis for your condescending post, where is D'Antoni going to be next year?

[Inonehand]

If you think you don't know anything, why would you post your opinions anyway for all the world to see? I don't get it...

She posts because she is just like the rest of us, we care. Opinions aren't knowledge. Some are simply more informed than others.

[RepoMan]

Yeah, college assistant jobs "often" open up at prestigious universities with a hall of fame coach who is also the Team USA coach who has also developed a relationship with the recently FIRED "winning" NBA coach. Does the "fired" negate the "winning" appellation? There are more than a few NBA coaches who have taken college coaching jobs less prestigious than assistant to Coach K.

I did not say it was likely. It is worth discussing. I happen to think the situation at Duke would merit D'Antoni's consideration for a year while the right job opens up.

Taking for granted that there is some basis for your condescending post, where is D'Antoni going to be next year?

Are you really saying that you think there is a chance that D'Antoni would join Duke as an assistant coach? I thought the initial post was sort of tongue in cheek. There is 0% chance that he would take that job, so I don't really see why its worth discussing.

[Shammrog]

She posts because she is just like the rest of us, we care. Opinions aren't knowledge. Some are simply more informed than others.

And some think they are more informed than others.

[CMS2478]

If you think you don't know anything, why would you post your opinions anyway for all the world to see? I don't get it...

Do any of really KNOW who the next assistant will be, so by your standard this whole thread is irrelevant? As is one about who will start next year? How many wins Coach K will have when we retires? Who we will sign in '09? The list goes on and on.........I agree, lighten up.

[Edouble]

Jarvis would be an incredible hire for Duke. I doubt he would actually take a job as a college assistant, as this is a guy who has been considered for a head coaching position in the NBA. I love the idea though.

D'Antoni would probably not take a job as a college assistant. He can afford to wait until the right job opens up in the pros, and spend his down time with the Olympic team and maybe some broadcasting.

I wouldn't mind seeing Daniel Ewing on the bench if he's interested. He played alongside TJ Ford in high school, and alongside Jason Williams and Chris Duhon in college. At Duke he played 3 positions (sort of played point guard his senior year) and he spent some time in the pros. He had a really excellent all around package of skills: he could shoot, handle, pass, drive, and I thought he was a really good leader his senior year. Ewing is from Texas, and I'm sure he's remembered back there for his part in the afore mentioned somewhat legendary backcourt, which could be great for recruiting.

From his job title, I think that Nate is good right where he is. It would be nice if Ewing had a little more name recognition, but he's the one that comes to my mind when I think of non-current NBA guys from the past 20 years that might be interested in coaching.

[BD80]

Are you really saying that you think there is a chance that D'Antoni would join Duke as an assistant coach? I thought the initial post was sort of tongue in cheek. There is 0% chance that he would take that job, so I don't really see why its worth discussing.

The odds are about one in a million, so I am saying there is a chance! :D

I am also saying that it could be discussed depending on D'Antoni's situation. We don't need to make an immediate move as the recruiting contact period is closing again. Coach K and D'Antoni will be in contact quite a bit over the summer, particularly now that D'Antoni has some extra free time. :)

D'Antoni's strength is the international game, and it would not surprise me if Team USA uses him to scout the Olympic play-in tournaments and the warm-up games the other Olympic teams schedule. D'Antoni's international connections could help uncover potential recruits. I hope he at least shares that info with Duke's staff!

[sagegrouse]

If you think you don't know anything, why would you post your opinions anyway for all the world to see? I don't get it...

Jumbo, Jumbo. If we self-regulated ourselves to make sure we definitely had something to contribute before submitting a post, what would the DBR Moderators have to do?

sagegrouse

[killerleft]

The G-Man would be a super hire, but I doubt he wants to coach or he would be doing it already. Jarvis would be great, too. Laettner would be an intriguing hire. Coach K might be the only coach he could work for, and he has the passion required to motivate anybody.

[jimsumner]

Mike Jarvis? Seriously? The same Mike Jarvis who left the St. John's program in total disrepair and disrepute? A snowball has a better chance of surviving the week in Hades.

[BD80]

If you think you don't know anything, why would you post your opinions anyway for all the world to see? I don't get it...

"Lack of Civility - Insulting other posters and generally being an annoying jerk. Focus on the post, not the poster."

[-jk]

Y'all know I don't know anything, but... just an observation from a dummy.


If you think you don't know anything, why would you post your opinions anyway for all the world to see? I don't get it...


"Lack of Civility - Insulting other posters and generally being an annoying jerk. Focus on the post, not the poster."

BD80,

Jumbo's comment was about the post. Let's let this sub-topic go to bed and get back to basketball.

-jk

[Classof06]

I say get Nate James. He's more of a forward whereas the other two assistants are guards, you get someone who knows what Duke is all about and you get someone who knows what it takes to win a championship. And it never hurts to have a younger coach on the team; someone who isn't too far removed from what the current players are going through. I like the idea of getting James.

[watzone]

The truth of the matter is that I have seen several people, mods and posters alike say things that were completely inaccurate in regards to the next assistant coach.

Still, people should converse. I can tell you that Duke is in a great situation, having a lot of good candidates and that hires from here to K eternity will be from within the family.

Duke will have their new coach in place in the very near future and a lot will depend on whether some capable folks who've sat on the bench might go west. If this happens, it allows another person on staff now) an opportunity.

Collins and Wojo are staying put. I love Johnny, but in the end the changes will be a good thing for many.

[MHTorringjan]

So, we discussed this at lunch the other day, and one name came up that hasn't been mentioned here. Don't know how well it'd work out, since (a) I don't know how much he's interested in coaching and (b) I don't know how interested he is in rehabbing still. How about J-Will? I mean, he had the smarts and the skills that it seems he'd be well-suited for the job (although, granted, doesn't address the big-man coach idea or the FT guru idea). Last I had heard, he was pretty happy working with the younger age group basketball (IIRC), but you never know.

Personally, like the idea of Nate James, too, assuming Coach likes the idea and Nate likes the idea. :-)

[Jumbo]

There is only one job in the NBA that fits Mike D'Antoni, the Toronto Raptors. The Raptors might fire Sam Mitchell if D'Antoni becomes available.

D'Antoni's strength is the international game, where he coached for a while. His system would fit few other teams.

His reputation for lack of defense will scare off some organizations.
All of that is 100% not true. He's already coveted by a number of teams. He'll have his pick of several open jobs, but could just as easily take the year off.

[Jumbo]

Yeah, college assistant jobs "often" open up at prestigious universities with a hall of fame coach who is also the Team USA coach who has also developed a relationship with the recently FIRED "winning" NBA coach. Does the "fired" negate the "winning" appellation? There are more than a few NBA coaches who have taken college coaching jobs less prestigious than assistant to Coach K.
There is absolutely no precedent for such a thing. A college assistant job? Making chump change, being forced to recruit, carrying Coach K's clipboard? D'Antoni is an incredibly high achiever. In no way, shape or form would he leave the highest level of basketball to serve as an assistant at any college. He wouldn't even leave to run a college program.


I did not say it was likely. It is worth discussing. I happen to think the situation at Duke would merit D'Antoni's consideration for a year while the right job opens up.
No, the whole premise is so silly that it's not worth discussing. It's just as likely that, as one poster said, Duke would unearth Red Auerbach's body and put him on the bench next year.


Taking for granted that there is some basis for your condescending post, where is D'Antoni going to be next year?

I'm sorry that you find it condecending. Pardon me for trying to inject a dose of reality into random, baseless speculation. As far as where I see D'Antoni going if he's not in Phoenix, I'd rate the possibilities this way:
1) Toronto
2) New York
3) Another potential NBA opening
4) Broadcast booth/studio

[watzone]

So, we discussed this at lunch the other day, and one name came up that hasn't been mentioned here. Don't know how well it'd work out, since (a) I don't know how much he's interested in coaching and (b) I don't know how interested he is in rehabbing still. How about J-Will? I mean, he had the smarts and the skills that it seems he'd be well-suited for the job (although, granted, doesn't address the big-man coach idea or the FT guru idea). Last I had heard, he was pretty happy working with the younger age group basketball (IIRC), but you never know.

Personally, like the idea of Nate James, too, assuming Coach likes the idea and Nate likes the idea. :-)

JWill is in the mix. He is a former national POY and all everything that could point to what Duke did for him. I think he'd do a fine job, but I have to wonder if he is ready. He seems to have a lot of business affairs that would need tying up. He is cetainly recognizable and the sooner he got in the better for the prospects these days have short memories. For instance, if he were recruiting a sixteen year old, he would have been nine when Duke won the title with JWill.

Nate has been close to the program of late. He's worked the clinics and seems to focus in on what he wants. The fact that he did play down low, cannot hurt and I feel certain he'd hit the AAU trail hard. Nate has D.C. connections and JWill Jersey connections. Both are super candidates.

Others have shown interest too and they all have different things to bring to the table. It's a no lose situation for K to make, other than he'll have other great prospects in the wings.

[Jumbo]

Do any of really KNOW who the next assistant will be, so by your standard this whole thread is irrelevant? As is one about who will start next year? How many wins Coach K will have when we retires? Who we will sign in '09? The list goes on and on.........I agree, lighten up.

I think you're missing my point. If I were to post that I think Bobby Flay needs a new sous-chef, should add more garlic to his recipes and find a BBQ sauce expert, then finished that post with "but I know nothing about cooking," what would be the point of my post? I'd basically be telling someone what to do, then admitting that it's not an area I understand.
That's how I read DukeMom's post -- she suggested three changes and then said, "but I don't really know anything." That came off as weird to me. Sorry if it offended you.

[colchar]

Mike D'Antoni would be a great one year hire! Toronto really wants him (the Suns new management does not) but how do you fire a guy that is doing well with the team?



Toronto doesn't want him - all of the talk is just that, talk. And it is coming from the talking heads in the media, not from the team itself.

[colchar]

D'Antoni's strength is the international game, and it would not surprise me if Team USA uses him to scout the Olympic play-in tournaments and the warm-up games the other Olympic teams schedule. D'Antoni's international connections could help uncover potential recruits. I hope he at least shares that info with Duke's staff!

Well we've seen how well giong international has worked out for the Raptors.

[Jumbo]

Well we've seen how well giong international has worked out for the Raptors.

Quite well. They've turned around a franchise that was headed nowhere, have found a way to go small and utlilize a multi-talented big guy (Chris Bosh), have unearthed a fantastic point guard (Jose Calderon), etc. Toronto is on the way up, has a great GM, and if they could somehow steal D'Antoni, he'd be a perfect fit for the next phase of the franchise's climb.

[socaldukie]

I prefer someone that is connected that can recruit effectively. Looks like JWill and Nate have that in their favor. My guess JWill would get the nod over Nate.

[Jumbo]

JWill is in the mix. He is a former national POY and all everything that could point to what Duke did for him. I think he'd do a fine job, but I have to wonder if he is ready. He seems to have a lot of business affairs that would need tying up. He is cetainly recognizable and the sooner he got in the better for the prospects these days have short memories. For instance, if he were recruiting a sixteen year old, he would have been nine when Duke won the title with JWill.

Nate has been close to the program of late. He's worked the clinics and seems to focus in on what he wants. The fact that he did play down low, cannot hurt and I feel certain he'd hit the AAU trail hard. Nate has D.C. connections and JWill Jersey connections. Both are super candidates.

Others have shown interest too and they all have different things to bring to the table. It's a no lose situation for K to make, other than he'll have other great prospects in the wings.

I agree with a lot of this. I'm not sure J-Will is at the point where he's ready to make this kind of commitment. He seems to have a number of interests. I think his greatest asset would be on the recruiting trail, given his infectious personality and his top-notch playing credentials.

I'd prefer Nate. He seems to have decided this is what he wants. He certainly has excellent credentials as well and, as you've mentioned, he has some pretty good contacts out there. Plus, from all accounts, the team loves him, so it would be an easy transition.

[colchar]

I wonder what Abdelnaby and Cherokee Parks are doing these days? Maybe one of them is looking to get into coaching?

[colchar]

Quite well. They've turned around a franchise that was headed nowhere, have found a way to go small and utlilize a multi-talented big guy (Chris Bosh), have unearthed a fantastic point guard (Jose Calderon), etc. Toronto is on the way up, has a great GM, and if they could somehow steal D'Antoni, he'd be a perfect fit for the next phase of the franchise's climb.

Quite well? Really? And here I thought they took a step backward this year. I wouldn't say they are climbing as their progress definitely stalled this year.

And I guess you didn't see much of them in the playoffs this year then as they were thoroughly outplayed.

Calderon is decent but is not a #1 guy at the point (as demonstrated by his play at the ends of games in the playoffs).

Bargnani also had a poor season.

[Hot Route]

I wonder what Abdelnaby and Cherokee Parks are doing these days? Maybe one of them is looking to get into coaching?

I assume you are joking. The Chief on the bench as an assistant?!?!? That would be horrible!

[Jeffrey]

I love Johnny, but in the end the changes will be a good thing for many.

Hi watzone,

I agree with your statement, but my reasons may be different than your's. Why do you feel this way?

Best regards,
Jeffrey

[Jumbo]

Quite well? Really? And here I thought they took a step backward this year. I wouldn't say they are climbing as their progress definitely stalled this year.

And I guess you didn't see much of them in the playoffs this year then as they were thoroughly outplayed.

Calderon is decent but is not a #1 guy at the point (as demonstrated by his play at the ends of games in the playoffs).

Bargnani also had a poor season.

Toronto is still a) really young and b) trying to fill holes at various positions. They only took a "step back" this year because last year was TOTALLY unexpected. And once the Celtics got Garnett and Allen, there was no way the Raptors were going to repeat as division champs.

I watched a ton of the series against the Magic. Orlando just has more talent now (and had home court). But I love where Toronto is headed, because Bryan Colangelo has a great track record and has made some fantastic moves.

You are totally underrating Calderon. Guess what his assist/turnove ration was in April? 66 to ... wait for it ... 1. That's right. He had 66 assists and one turnover in April. That's sick. And he's young. They need to get rid of T.J. Ford and give him the job (they played very well when Ford was out).

I agree with you about Bargnani. His lack of improvement was disappointing. But he's only 22, has just played two seasons, and it would be a mistake to come close to giving up on him. The Raptors need more talent at the two wing positions. But "going international" never meant bringing in international players -- it meant going to that style of play. And -- especially with Bosh and Calderon -- it suits the Raptors well. I have full confidence that with Colangelo running the show, they'll continue to stockpile talent to fit that system. And no one coaches that system better than Mike D'Antoni.

[Turk]

I assume you are joking. The Chief on the bench as an assistant?!?!? That would be horrible!

Nah, it would be great. Need to keep the boys loose - Collins and Wojo are too hyper. But the better choice would be Greg Newton or Thunder Dan Meagher. Added bonus - they could scour The Great White North for the next Steve Nash, eh? We'd have an entire country to ourselves... Somebody get me a Molson...

[Classof06]

Alaa Abdelnaby is currently an analyst on NBATV.

[colchar]

I assume you are joking. The Chief on the bench as an assistant?!?!? That would be horrible!

You assumed correctly.

[CameronBornAndBred]

But the better choice would be Greg Newton or Thunder Dan Meagher.

Is Newton out of K's doghouse yet? I'm pretty sure he got a lifetime sentence. As for Meagher, I miss that bruiser, he never fouled.

[colchar]

Nah, it would be great. Need to keep the boys loose - Collins and Wojo are too hyper. But the better choice would be Greg Newton or Thunder Dan Meagher. Added bonus - they could scour The Great White North for the next Steve Nash, eh? We'd have an entire country to ourselves... Somebody get me a Molson...

I had thought of adding Newton to my previous post but thought that would be cheating.

[colchar]

Toronto is still a) really young and b) trying to fill holes at various positions. They only took a "step back" this year because last year was TOTALLY unexpected. And once the Celtics got Garnett and Allen, there was no way the Raptors were going to repeat as division champs.

I watched a ton of the series against the Magic. Orlando just has more talent now (and had home court). But I love where Toronto is headed, because Bryan Colangelo has a great track record and has made some fantastic moves.

You are totally underrating Calderon. Guess what his assist/turnove ration was in April? 66 to ... wait for it ... 1. That's right. He had 66 assists and one turnover in April. That's sick. And he's young. They need to get rid of T.J. Ford and give him the job (they played very well when Ford was out).

I agree with you about Bargnani. His lack of improvement was disappointing. But he's only 22, has just played two seasons, and it would be a mistake to come close to giving up on him. The Raptors need more talent at the two wing positions. But "going international" never meant bringing in international players -- it meant going to that style of play. And -- especially with Bosh and Calderon -- it suits the Raptors well. I have full confidence that with Colangelo running the show, they'll continue to stockpile talent to fit that system. And no one coaches that system better than Mike D'Antoni.

Here is another opinion on the Raptors:

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/NBA/article/419782


And another:

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Basketball/2008/04/30/5426281-sun.html

[Hot Route]

I had thought of adding Newton to my previous post but thought that would be cheating.

What about Christian Ast? The great #54! I'm sure he would be a master recruiter as well.

[BD80]

But the better choice would be Greg Newton or Thunder Dan Meagher. Added bonus - they could scour The Great White North for the next Steve Nash, eh? We'd have an entire country to ourselves... Somebody get me a Molson...

Sorry, can't do that. Hiring a Canadian just to improve our recruiting amongst Canadians is wrong. :D

[Turk]

What about Christian Ast? The great #54! I'm sure he would be a master recruiter as well.

Hmm... Not enough PT to be credible candidates like Newt or Danny. But good thinking - need to go intercontinental... Anyone know if there are any more Gasol brothers still in the pipeline?

[Devil in the Blue Dress]

Having some change occur in the Duke men's basketball staff is a good thing. No matter how well things appear to be going, change is a part of being alive and vital. It might actually be invigorating to bring in someone who's not part of the Duke family. We seem to be in a period of inevitable change ..... a great opportunity if we choose to make it so.

[Duke12]

How about Jay?

[sagegrouse]

JWill is in the mix. He is a former national POY and all everything that could point to what Duke did for him. I think he'd do a fine job, but I have to wonder if he is ready. He seems to have a lot of business affairs that would need tying up. He is cetainly recognizable and the sooner he got in the better for the prospects these days have short memories. For instance, if he were recruiting a sixteen year old, he would have been nine when Duke won the title with JWill.




I doubt that JWill would seriously consider a job in college coaching. And why should he? I suspect his Duke models will be more on the order of Bilas and Gminski than Henderson, Capel, Snyder, Amaker or Dawkins.

sagegrouse

[arnie]

I nominate Ken Burgess. Duke ties, has coached a 6"11"" player to greatness and knows the game better than K. Just ask him.

[Hot Route]

How about Jay?

Jay Bilas? Heck no! He makes me sick. He is so anti-Duke it's ridiculous!

[ArkieDukie]

I nominate Ken Burgess. Duke ties, has coached a 6"11"" player to greatness and knows the game better than K. Just ask him.

Best nominee yet.

[colchar]

I nominate Ken Burgess. Duke ties, has coached a 6"11"" player to greatness and knows the game better than K. Just ask him.

Superb nomination!!!

[Huh?]

What about Mike D'Antoni???? He would kill on the recruiting trail.

[CameronBornAndBred]

What about Mike D'Antoni???? He would kill on the recruiting trail.

Already addressed in several previous posts

[Cameron]

Hot route:

He may have been referring to Jason.

As for Bilas, he's got the perfect gig right now. Traveling the United States broadcasting college hoops games for the most prestegious sports network in the entire world.. Doesn't get much better than that. Besides, it's also an added bonus when your one of the true elite's in your profession. Jay might already be THE best at ESPN in terms of basketball analysts.

I doubt he's leaving to become assistant coach again anytime soon.

[Huh?]

Yeah I don't read through all the posts.

[Devildog]

http://www.wral.com/sports/story/2817047/

[wilko]

As for Meagher, I miss that bruiser, he never fouled.

Me too. He was the ORIGINAL Bad I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this... What he lacked in talent he made up for in attitude. I guess thats what a hockey will do for you... Loved his grit.

[Bluedawg]

Lots of folks like NateDog or C-well, what do y'all think? I wonder if GMan would come in to work with the bigs and Wojo works with the guards, food for thought. Who should be our next coach?

I would like to see a big mans coach be hired from outside the "family." I think some new blood would be helpful. Plus I don't want any coach that would carry the moniker "Coach Bad I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this..."

[Bluedawg]

Plus I don't want any coach that would carry the moniker "Coach Bad I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this..."

To explain...I don't think its respectful to refer to a Coach in that manner. I'm not disqualifying the Coach, just the moniker.

[BD80]

To explain...I don't think its respectful to refer to a Coach in that manner. I'm not disqualifying the Coach, just the moniker.

Really? My kids have a LAX coach called Coach MoFo. He encourages it, and relishes it.

Of course, that is lacrosse.

[miramar]

I don't know if Nate would be interested or if he prefers to remain in his present position, but Robert Brickey has coaching experience and is obviously available. I hope he is given every consideration.

[dukefan47]

http://duke.scout.com/2/751345.html
can anyone read this article and tell me what it says?

[Edouble]

How about Jay?

He's already been an assistant coach at Duke. I don't think he would be at ESPN if he wanted a coaching job... of course why would he go to law school if he wanted to be a basketball analyst?

[Bluedawg]

Really? My kids have a LAX coach called Coach MoFo. He encourages it, and relishes it.

Of course, that is lacrosse.

Fine, but I still don't think its respectful to refer to a Coach as "Coach Bad I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.."

[Bluedawg]

http://duke.scout.com/2/751345.html
can anyone read this article and tell me what it says?

What it tells me is that since I am not a premium subscriber to TDD I can't read it.

[Hot Route]

http://www.wral.com/sports/story/2817047/

Great article. I'd like to see Jay get a spot on ESPN or something. I like listening to him.

[Shammrog]

Fine, but I still don't think its respectful to refer to a Coach as "Coach Bad I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.."


I disagree. Within the context, I think it is immensely respectful! (And, knowing Nate, albeit indirectly, I think he would agree.)

[MHTorringjan]

Well, guess that settles the J-Will speculation. Then again, there's always the possibility that he's adhering to the "deny until it's announced" philosophy. Still, I won't hold my breath.

I agree with Bluedawg, it might be a good idea to look outside the Duke tree for the next Asst coach, since there are likely a number of exceptional qualified coaches at mid-major or other BCS schools that aren't being considered in this discussion. And while I can't articulate it particularly well, I think it might appeal to recruits in some way to see someone from outside the tree on the staff. (OTOH, having someone from inside the tree might also appeal to others, to show our sense of tradition and devotion to a certain philosophy or something like that.)

However, I'd actually kind of like it if we could get an assistant coach called Coach BadI'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.. It'd be kind of nice to have a coach who knows the game well, but doesn't take himself too seriously. Kind of like a poor man's Bruce Pearl. ;-)

M.H.

[jimsumner]

Why not Bill Russell? Or Bill Walton? What's Nate Thurmond doing these days? Or Jerry Lucas? Lefty Driesell was a pretty good big man coach in his time and he's a Duke grad.

I hope some of these posts are tongue-in-cheek. But at the risk of belaboring the obvious, I think it's highly unlikely that these people are willing to take a substantial pay cut and start a new profession at ages 45 or 50. The names mentioned already have lives, jobs, families and they don't involve coaching.

Believe it or not, not everyone really wants to be an assistant coach at Duke or anywhere else. And the ones that want to start out are much more likely to be in their 20s. The recruiting demands alone for an entry-level college assistant are mind-boggling.

Duke has plenty of serious and qualified candidates for JD's old job. Enough we don't have to visit Fantasy Island with a wish list.

[colchar]

Duke has plenty of serious and qualified candidates for JD's old job. Enough we don't have to visit Fantasy Island with a wish list.

But its the off-season...what else are we going to do with our time?

[Indoor66]

But its the off-season...what else are we going to do with our time?

Well, we know you have to work on your dissertation. :D I have to play golf and swim.

[Edouble]

But its the off-season...what else are we going to do with our time?

He's right. Some of the names that have been coming up are ridiculous. We could spend our time on at least mildly intelligent musings.

[Turk]

He's right. Some of the names that have been coming up are ridiculous. We could spend our time on at least mildly intelligent musings.

Nah, that's too much work. Since Walton and Bilas are too in love with themselves on TV, I'll nominate Billy King: coaching experience, NBA connections, proven winner, not much going on right now...

What's not to like?

[gvtucker]

I was not intending to suggest that Kareem or Patrick would want a full time assistant's job, but even a few days of their knowledge would be helpful. Of course, having the post players (plural) would be a prerequisite.

Getting back to realistic possibilities is OK, but it's occasionally nice to dream....

The overwhelming evidence out there is that being a great player is irrelevant when it comes to being a great coach.

So why do people persistently think otherwise?

[Edouble]

The overwhelming evidence out there is that being a great player is irrelevant when it comes to being a great coach.

So why do people persistently think otherwise?

Because of how awesome Magic was as the Laker's head coach?

[Indoor66]

Because of how awesome Magic was as the Laker's head coach?

Or Thomas' stellar career on the bench? :(

[colchar]

Well, we know you have to work on your dissertation. :D

Not yet I don't...I have to travel to Britain for research first. Then the writing phase will commence. But let's not talk about that. Ever.

[gvtucker]

Oh, yeah, and one other thing...there is also overwhelming evidence that a coach's height and position he played in college is irrelevant when it comes to that coach's ability with big men.

[Edouble]

Oh, yeah, and one other thing...there is also overwhelming evidence that a coach's height and position he played in college is irrelevant when it comes to that coach's ability with big men.

Really? I'd love to hear more about this. I'm not being sarcastic either. It would be really interesting to know the height and former position of big men coaches at places that have historically had really good big guys, ie UConn, Georgetown, UNC, Cincinnati under Hugs, Kansas under Roy, maybe UK under Tubby, etc.

I don't even know if those programs have designated "big men coaches".

[BlueintheFace]

Why not Bill Russell? Or Bill Walton? What's Nate Thurmond doing these days? Or Jerry Lucas? Lefty Driesell was a pretty good big man coach in his time and he's a Duke grad.

I heard Jesus was a monster at the 4-spot (and won the sportsmanship award a bunch too). Maybe he is looking? Also, any news on whether or not the great greek warrior Ajax is still looking for a coaching position... you can't teach size right?

[gvtucker]

Really? I'd love to hear more about this. I'm not being sarcastic either. It would be really interesting to know the height and former position of big men coaches at places that have historically had really good big guys, ie UConn, Georgetown, UNC, Cincinnati under Hugs, Kansas under Roy, maybe UK under Tubby, etc.

I don't even know if those programs have designated "big men coaches".

Start with Pete Newell, the man that runs the big man camp. I had the good fortune to meet him last fall. We looked eye to eye, and I'm just a bit over 6'.

The best big man coach when I was a kid was John Wooden, a point guard.

For years, UNC was famous for the development of their big men. The big man coach for practically Dean Smith's entire tenure was Bill Guthridge, a guard.

I'm not sure who on the UConn staff is responsible for big men, but the two guys that have been there for a while are both point guards.

I'm not sure whether Bob Huggins or Andy Kennedy had responsibility for the big men at Cincinnati. No matter, both were guards.

Regarding the other two teams you reference, UK under Tubby and Kansas under Roy, I'm not sure who the assistants were or what the responsiblities were.

Yes, John Thompson had a great rep as a big man coach, and he was indeed a post player, and a pretty darn good one. So I guess you can't make the argument that height is inversely proportion to ability to coach big men.

[Inonehand]

Where is Tony Lang these days? I know he played overseas for awhile. What a great guy and I will never forget how he went to the floor after "the shot".

[gvtucker]

I heard Jesus was a monster at the 4-spot (and won the sportsmanship award a bunch too).

Not true, Jesus Shuttlesworth (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124718/) was a 2 guard.

I suppose you could move up the chain and see if God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Shammgod) is willing to give up his current hoops career.

[Edouble]

Lighten up Francis.

Sorry if we have wasted your precious time or offended your sensibilities.

Please provide us with the list of "serious and qualified candidates" so that we may proceed with "at least mildly intelligent musings."

Serious and Qualified Candidates for the Assistant Coach Position at Duke

Nate James
Chris Spatoli (sp?)
Chris Carrawell
Jason Williams
Daniel Ewing
Sean Dockery
Roshod McClod
Trajan Langdon
Lee Melchioni
Shelden Williams
Nick Horvath
Jesus
Ajax
Horace Grant
Harvey Grant
John Malcovich
Dean Smith
myself (Francis)

I know a couple of these guys are playing professionally, but you never know if they'd rather cut their pro career short to take a spot on Duke's bench now when the opportunity is available (see: Wojo).

[jimsumner]

Some of the credible names made public are

Nate James
Jason Williams
Chris Carrawell
Roshown McLeod
Vince Taylor
David Henderson

There are some not made widely public. Don't ask.

Given his administrative experience AD would make more sense for Billy King than would an assistant coach's job.

[Edouble]

Start with Pete Newell, the man that runs the big man camp. I had the good fortune to meet him last fall. We looked eye to eye, and I'm just a bit over 6'.

The best big man coach when I was a kid was John Wooden, a point guard.

For years, UNC was famous for the development of their big men. The big man coach for practically Dean Smith's entire tenure was Bill Guthridge, a guard.

I'm not sure who on the UConn staff is responsible for big men, but the two guys that have been there for a while are both point guards.

I'm not sure whether Bob Huggins or Andy Kennedy had responsibility for the big men at Cincinnati. No matter, both were guards.

Regarding the other two teams you reference, UK under Tubby and Kansas under Roy, I'm not sure who the assistants were or what the responsiblities were.

Yes, John Thompson had a great rep as a big man coach, and he was indeed a post player, and a pretty darn good one. So I guess you can't make the argument that height is inversely proportion to ability to coach big men.


Thanks, great post.

On the same note as John Thompson, and with regards to Jim Sumner's list, what about Laettner? He said on the radio interview that someone posted on Selection Sunday this year that he wants to get into coaching. He seems like a legitimate candidate. He involved in a lot of business stuff, so it looks unlikely, but he did say that he wants to get into coaching. Maybe it would take a head job to get him to change his current focus though.

[Inonehand]

Some of the credible names made public are

Nate James
Jason Williams
Chris Carrawell
Roshown McLeod
Vince Taylor
David Henderson

There are some not made widely public. Don't ask.

Given his administrative experience AD would make more sense for Billy King than would an assistant coach's job.

He'd be great! He's smart, media savvy, and truly does care about more sports than just basketball. Heck, even his free throws were more like shotputs.

[johnb]

Some of the credible names made public are

Nate James
Jason Williams
Chris Carrawell
Roshown McLeod
Vince Taylor
David Henderson

There are some not made widely public. Don't ask.

Given his administrative experience AD would make more sense for Billy King than would an assistant coach's job.

While I don't have any idea how these guys got along with K, the above post makes a lot of sense. Not only are they all former players who played with heart, they're African-American. If Duke should pick, say, Laettner or Hurley to fill Dawkins's spot, our bench might not look very inviting to some of the players we recruit.

[BD80]

It would be really interesting to know the height and former position of big men coaches at places that have historically had really good big guys, ie UConn, Georgetown, UNC, Cincinnati under Hugs, Kansas under Roy, maybe UK under Tubby, etc.


Coach Krzyzewski, 6'0", Duke University, see: Ferry, D; Laettner, C; Parks, C; Abdelnaby, A; Brand, E; Boozer, C; Williams, S; Randolph, S; McRoberts, J. Except for one year of Jay Bilas, the tallest assistant has been Johnny D at 6'3"???

This has been discussed ad infinitum about a big man coaching big men. THE big man coach, the standard by which all others are judged, Pete Newell, is 6' 2".

http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?p=124838&highlight=pete+newell#post124838

Wojo has participated as a coach at Pete Newell's Big Man camp to learn how to better coach big men.

[Acymetric]

Except for one year of Jay Bilas, the tallest assistant has been Johnny D at 6'3"???

False. David Henderson stood 6'5 from what I know. Not that it really matters, I have no idea if he was a big man coach or not when he was there. You know, just don't want anyone forgettin' about old Dave.

[Jumbo]

But its the off-season...what else are we going to do with our time?

Knit.

[Jumbo]

Serious and Qualified Candidates for the Assistant Coach Position at Duke

Nate James
Chris Spatoli (sp?)
Chris Carrawell
Jason Williams
Daniel Ewing
Sean Dockery
Roshod McClod
Trajan Langdon
Lee Melchioni
Shelden Williams
Nick Horvath
Jesus
Ajax
Horace Grant
Harvey Grant
John Malcovich
Dean Smith
myself (Francis)

I know a couple of these guys are playing professionally, but you never know if they'd rather cut their pro career short to take a spot on Duke's bench now when the opportunity is available (see: Wojo).

You even managed to spell a few of the names right! ;)

[juise]

Some of the credible names made public are

Nate James
Jason Williams
Chris Carrawell
Roshown McLeod
Vince Taylor
David Henderson


The article linked earlier in this thread quotes JWill as not being interested, but there have been many posters who seem to be glossing over this. Is there some reason to believe that he's still a viable candidate?

[Jumbo]

The article linked earlier in this thread quotes JWill as not being interested, but there have been many posters who seem to be glossing over this. Is there some reason to believe that he's still a viable candidate?

Nope.

[jimsumner]

No. I was simply using Jason as an example of a credible candiate for the vacant job.

[juise]

No. I was simply using Jason as an example of a credible candiate for the vacant job.

Thanks for clearing that up. I felt like I was taking crazy pills.

[Matches]

My question is not who gets hired next - but who takes Dawkins' place as the top assistant. Dawkins held the title of "Associate Head Coach" for the last few seasons - does Collins step into that role, or will *anyone* be given that title?

[gvtucker]

Johnny D at 6'3"???

Johnny would be very pleased at that overestimation. He was listed at 6'2", and that was probably an exaggeration.

[ugadevil]

Knit.

Jumbo, that reminds me. I've almost finished knitting your Jon Scheyer quilt. It'll be nice for those cold nights during the winter. :D

[Jumbo]

Jumbo, that reminds me. I've almost finished knitting your Jon Scheyer quilt. It'll be nice for those cold nights during the winter. :D

I hope you didn't start on Cameron's personalized Taylor King one!

[Edouble]

My question is not who gets hired next - but who takes Dawkins' place as the top assistant. Dawkins held the title of "Associate Head Coach" for the last few seasons - does Collins step into that role, or will *anyone* be given that title?

The two questions probably go together. If an older guy like Mike Jarvis got hired, he'd probably leap-frog the young bucks into taking the top position. If we went with the recent trend of hiring a young former player, I would guess that Collins would move up.

[Turk]

Let's just hope we don't see any "I SAID NO TO COACH K!" T-shirts...

[ugadevil]

I hope you didn't start on Cameron's personalized Taylor King one!


Cameron's getting one with the phrase, "Hail to Jumbo!" stitched all over it.

[buzz]

Just as a point of interest, Mike Jarvis is planning to interview for the vacant FAU job, so he's apparently in the market for a coaching gig. FAU's main campus is in Boca Raton, where Jarvis currently lives.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2008/04/30/a2c_colleges_0430.html

[Indoor66]

Just as a point of interest, Mike Jarvis is planning to interview for the vacant FAU job, so he's apparently in the market for a coaching gig. FAU's main campus is in Boca Raton, where Jarvis currently lives.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2008/04/30/a2c_colleges_0430.html


And was where Doh left to go to SMU.

[RelativeWays]

Okay, if I read this entire thread and don't get at least one Coach J joke, I'm going to be pretty disappointed in you guys ;)

In a more "controversial" and on topic comment, do you think K should try to have a black assistant or associate coach to have someone for the black players and recruits to identify with? I am really NOT trying to turn this into a racial derailment, but I'm curious if it is a factor.

[norduck]

http://www.wral.com/sports/story/2823273/

[BlueintheFace]

... the article also pretty much guarantees that it is going to be a Dukie insider. Sorry everybody who wanted new blood.

[Jumbo]

Okay, if I read this entire thread and don't get at least one Coach J joke, I'm going to be pretty disappointed in you guys ;)


I already posted the Coach J video on April Fools Day.

[Inonehand]

Coaching in Japan...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Lang

[Inonehand]

Coaching in Japan...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Lang

tell me how to post a link, please. Thanks.

[tbyers11]

tell me how to post a link, please. Thanks.

In the reply to thread message box, highlight the word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Lang) that you want to be linked, then click the earth with the chain-link in front of it and paste the url in the box that pops up.

[Inonehand]

In the reply to thread message box, highlight the word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Lang) that you want to be linked, then click the earth with the chain-link in front of it and paste the url in the box that pops up.

Thanks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Lang)

[colchar]

Coaching in Japan...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Lang

Well he has some experience then. I think Lang would be a great addition to the staff.

[Hot Route]

Coaching in Japan...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Lang

There was an Antonio Lang sighting yesterday in the basketball office....possibly an interview.....who knows. Not starting a rumor, just giving credibility to the possibility.

[Ignatius07]

I'm sure Lang would be a fine coach, but I really hope Nate James gets it. I think it would probably help more in recruiting, which - as the junior member on the staff - is more important than coaching.

[watzone]

Lang was an assistant for the Melco Dolphins. He is a player in this thing. http://www.asia-basket.com/team.asp?Cntry=JPN&Team=1701

[colchar]

I'm sure Lang would be a fine coach, but I really hope Nate James gets it. I think it would probably help more in recruiting, which - as the junior member on the staff - is more important than coaching.

I think both Lang and James would help in recruiting and I can't really see either having more credibility than the other with recruits.

[MChambers]

We'd hire Perky Plumlee as the new assistant coach!

[Hot Route]

Lang was an assistant for the Melco Dolphins. He is a player in this thing. http://www.asia-basket.com/team.asp?Cntry=JPN&Team=1701

Yes. My source said it was an "interview-type" meeting. While he may not be as recognizable as a recruiter, I believe he would COACH or bigs better than any of the other "candidates."

[sagegrouse]

Yes. My source said it was an "interview-type" meeting. While he may not be as recognizable as a recruiter, I believe he would COACH or bigs better than any of the other "candidates."

A. Lang would also give us an assistant who has played in the NBA. Of course, with K's Olympic gig, that may not be as important now.

sagegrouse

[Jumbo]

I believe he would COACH or bigs better than any of the other "candidates."

Based on what?

[killerleft]

Anybody that can talk himself into being named the ACC Player of the Year can probably talk recruits into playing at Duke.

[Hot Route]

Based on what?

Based on the fact that he's the only one of the potential Dukies (C-Well and James being the others) that actually played the 4 position exclusively. He wasn't a combo guard/forward....he was strictly a "big" man.

[Jumbo]

Based on the fact that he's the only one of the potential Dukies (C-Well and James being the others) that actually played the 4 position exclusively. He wasn't a combo guard/forward....he was strictly a "big" man.

How many times are people going to have to list all the great "big man coaches" who were once guards before this sinks in? And how do you have any idea whether a) Lang can coach bigs or b) Wojo can't. Coaching and playing are completely different skills. I really think this needs its own chapter in Throaty's handy pocket guide.

[Hot Route]

How many times are people going to have to list all the great "big man coaches" who were once guards before this sinks in? And how do you have any idea whether a) Lang can coach bigs or b) Wojo can't. Coaching and playing are completely different skills. I really think this needs its own chapter in Throaty's handy pocket guide.

As an assistant coach coaching one specific position, it would seem that experience playing that position would be an added bonus. Kinda like someone who never played QB trying to coach Peyton Manning. It doesn't make sense.

Now there may be some exceptions...and I'm sure you'll list them.

[BD80]

As an assistant coach coaching one specific position, it would seem that experience playing that position would be an added bonus. Kinda like someone who never played QB trying to coach Peyton Manning. It doesn't make sense.

Now there may be some exceptions...and I'm sure you'll list them.

That is a joke right?

Cutcliffe was Peyton Mannings' QB coach and he wasn't a QB. He was a student assistant for Bear Bryant at Alabama.

Clever way of making the point.

[Hot Route]

That is a joke right?

Cutcliffe was Peyton Mannings' QB coach and he wasn't a QB. He was a student assistant for Bear Bryant at Alabama.

Clever way of making the point.

My point was that experience playing a position tends to make someone MORE qualified to coach that position.

[Truth]

I prefer someone that is connected that can recruit effectively. Looks like JWill and Nate have that in their favor. My guess JWill would get the nod over Nate.

I'd be personally ecstatic if this were the case, but I've seen nothing so far to lead me to this conclusion. To me, Nate, and to a lesser extent, C-Well, would be the leading candidates for promotions, particularly since they have already established coaching responsibilities within the program.

[BD80]

My point was that experience playing a position tends to make someone MORE qualified to coach that position.

Oooops. Better pick a different example then.

How many tour victories does Butch Harmon have? (Hint - 1 - 1971 Broome County Open).

I think it is more an issue of ability to coach.

The only reason I would lean toward a "big" man as a coach is the perception of recruits that the "big" man would be a better coach. However, I am confident that Wojo can break down a recruit's game better than any competing coach and demonstrate to the recruit that he will get superior coaching at Duke. I understand they have a unique video presentation individually made for each recruit specifically making that point. Some recruits just don't want to hear the truth - that they should work on aspects of their game.

A big issue in my mind is who will be the NEXT big man coach? Wojo will soon be in line for a head coaching gig, so it is my guess he will be grooming his successor at Duke.

[lmb]

Let's just hope we don't see any "I SAID NO TO COACH K!" T-shirts...


Thanks for the laugh! My Dean shirt is hanging in my closet.

[lmb]

To clarify, when folks have talked about Mike Jarvis, are they talking about sr. or jr.? Jarvis the younger served on the staff in recent years.

[NovaScotian]

Thanks for the laugh! My Dean shirt is hanging in my closet.

you hang t-shirts in the closet?

[Hot Route]

Oooops. Better pick a different example then.

How many tour victories does Butch Harmon have? (Hint - 1 - 1971 Broome County Open).

I think it is more an issue of ability to coach.

The only reason I would lean toward a "big" man as a coach is the perception of recruits that the "big" man would be a better coach. However, I am confident that Wojo can break down a recruit's game better than any competing coach and demonstrate to the recruit that he will get superior coaching at Duke. I understand they have a unique video presentation individually made for each recruit specifically making that point. Some recruits just don't want to hear the truth - that they should work on aspects of their game.

A big issue in my mind is who will be the NEXT big man coach? Wojo will soon be in line for a head coaching gig, so it is my guess he will be grooming his successor at Duke.

I stand corrected.

[Inonehand]

To clarify, when folks have talked about Mike Jarvis, are they talking about sr. or jr.? Jarvis the younger served on the staff in recent years.

They're talking about Senior while neither should be talked about.

[colchar]

Thanks for the laugh! My Dean shirt is hanging in my closet.

I still wish I had bought one of those when they were available.

[colchar]

you hang t-shirts in the closet?

I do too (for the ones I wear often, the ones I don't wear often are in a drawer).

[gvtucker]

My point was that experience playing a position tends to make someone MORE qualified to coach that position.

And if there were evidence beyond you just saying so that this were true, you might have a point.

But there isn't, so you don't.

[tux]

How many times are people going to have to list all the great "big man coaches" who were once guards before this sinks in? And how do you have any idea whether a) Lang can coach bigs or b) Wojo can't. Coaching and playing are completely different skills. I really think this needs its own chapter in Throaty's handy pocket guide.

I agree that coaching is a separate skill --- many of the great coaches were not star players (perhaps star players tend to keep on playing...) However, I also think there is some truth to the perception that Duke has not had a ton of success at developing traditional post players. Sure, we have had some studs in the past decade (Brand, Boozer, Williams), but there aren't a lot of examples of true 5s coming to Duke and getting a lot better. (Whereas, UNC has had more success in that department, IMO) --- Some of that is just the dumb luck of recruiting, but I think some of it is the system that's in place; the UNC offense really hinges on post play and that system seems to get more out of the Deon Thompson's of the world. Wojo, by all accounts, is a great coach, and I think he gets unfairly criticized b/c he's the big man coach and Duke has been weak in that department since Williams left. So, Duke doesn't necessarily need to hire a "big man" coach to replace Wojo. However, if K must stay within the family, a past F/C may bring some intangibles to the table for the current post players on the team. It also seems that this discussion is heavily biased toward the most recent players. (Maybe most of the posters here are in their 20s) --- I see a lot of JWill over Nate, Nate over Chris, and all those guys instead on Lang. Well, Tony is currently coaching, is a very bright guy, and is a nice link to the early 90s NC teams --- a nice counterpoint to the younger Wojo/Colliins tandem IMO. I had not thought of Tony (didn't know he was coaching in Japan) but I would be very excited about him as a coach. Nate and Chris would be great too, of course.

[gvtucker]

Just curious, because I really don't know the answer.

Does any other school have more power forwards/centers in the NBA than Duke?

Boozer, Brand, Williams, and Randolph, that's 4. I don't think that there are any others. Any other school have more than 4?

[Troublemaker]

Well, Tony is currently coaching, is a very bright guy, and is a nice link to the early 90s NC teams --- a nice counterpoint to the younger Wojo/Colliins tandem IMO. I had not thought of Tony (didn't know he was coaching in Japan) but I would be very excited about him as a coach. Nate and Chris would be great too, of course.

I agree. It wouldn't surprise me if Tony is the leading candidate right now, just based on the fact that he has more experience than the more recent graduates like Nate and Chris.

[Kishiznit]

I have heard that a head high school basketball coach around Hickory / Lenoir North Carolina was in the running for this position. Any news onthis one?

[gotham devil]

I have heard that a head high school basketball coach around Hickory / Lenoir North Carolina was in the running for this position. Any news onthis one?

If any high school coach ought to be in the picture, it would be Coach Bob Hurley. For other programs looking for established high school coaches of dominant national programs with a proven ability to recruit, Steve Smith, Kevin Boyle, Tony Bergeron, Gary McKnight, and Dan Hurley would be in the picture.

I expect, however, that Coach Krzyzewski will select a former player, who may or hopefully may not need to learn on the job.

[Jim3k]

Why not Bill Russell? Or Bill Walton? What's Nate Thurmond doing these days? Or Jerry Lucas? Lefty Driesell was a pretty good big man coach in his time and he's a Duke grad.



I can speak for Nate Thurmond. He's running Big Nate's Barbecue (http://www.bignatesbarbeque.com/) in San Francisco.

Who cares about those other guys? Big Nate is well into the Kentucky v. Duke scene. :D

[Edouble]

I agree that coaching is a separate skill --- many of the great coaches were not star players (perhaps star players tend to keep on playing...) However, I also think there is some truth to the perception that Duke has not had a ton of success at developing traditional post players. Sure, we have had some studs in the past decade (Brand, Boozer, Williams), but there aren't a lot of examples of true 5s coming to Duke and getting a lot better. (Whereas, UNC has had more success in that department, IMO) --- Some of that is just the dumb luck of recruiting, but I think some of it is the system that's in place; the UNC offense really hinges on post play and that system seems to get more out of the Deon Thompson's of the world. Wojo, by all accounts, is a great coach, and I think he gets unfairly criticized b/c he's the big man coach and Duke has been weak in that department since Williams left. So, Duke doesn't necessarily need to hire a "big man" coach to replace Wojo. However, if K must stay within the family, a past F/C may bring some intangibles to the table for the current post players on the team. It also seems that this discussion is heavily biased toward the most recent players. (Maybe most of the posters here are in their 20s) --- I see a lot of JWill over Nate, Nate over Chris, and all those guys instead on Lang. Well, Tony is currently coaching, is a very bright guy, and is a nice link to the early 90s NC teams --- a nice counterpoint to the younger Wojo/Colliins tandem IMO. I had not thought of Tony (didn't know he was coaching in Japan) but I would be very excited about him as a coach. Nate and Chris would be great too, of course.

Great post. This really sums up my thoughts on the matter. Tony Lang was one of my favorite players at Duke, and I think Nate and Chris are in positions that suit them well and play to their strengths already. It seems like having a guy that played forward gives you a more diverse bench overall. I remember hearing about how Wojo could give big men a unique guard's perspective when he was appointed the big man coach. Maybe Tony could give some of the guards a unique forward's perspective. I wouldn't be disappointed with any of the three moving onto Duke's bench, but I do lean a bit towards Tony and then Nate, as it would be nice to have a guy on the bench that's won a NC as a player.

[dukemomLA]

Pete Newell for coach & Billy King for A.D. Ahhhhhh, a dream come true.