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IStillHateJimBain
02-14-2008, 10:11 PM
Our favorite thug is at it again.
Florida State's Ryan Reid has just been ejected for throwing a sucker punch to the face of Wake Forest's Chas McFarland.

Ben63
02-14-2008, 10:17 PM
What a punk. I cant stand him. Don't know who I hate hate more, him or Deron Washington.

cspan37421
02-14-2008, 11:14 PM
Where's Celebrity Deathmatch when we need it?

Uncle Drew
02-14-2008, 11:20 PM
I'm going to turn on the TV to see if I can check out the highlight. But when someone gets a video link of the incident PLEASE post it. I was talking with a UNC fan today about how rough play has gotten in league. You'd think the two biggest rivals would be most likely to have incidents like this. (Okay there was Henderson TH, but that was an accident.) Thugs don't need to be playing ACC basketball for ANY team, apparently coaches from around the league don't agree.

mgtr
02-14-2008, 11:29 PM
I wonder if the ACC can take action, maybe by an automatic number of games suspension for throwing a punch. Or doesn't the ACC have teeth? Doesn't the NCAA have a one game suspension rule for this? Apparently it is not enough, and not enforced with sufficient rigor. Tough D is great, punches are not.
Didn't Chris Paul have to sit for a game after punching Julius Hodge? Maybe the suspension ought to be for more than one game, and the second offense is out for the season.

BoC
02-14-2008, 11:52 PM
Here's a somewhat choppy video of the incident. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ki9IZukc0co)

feldspar
02-15-2008, 12:22 AM
I wonder if the ACC can take action, maybe by an automatic number of games suspension for throwing a punch. Or doesn't the ACC have teeth? Doesn't the NCAA have a one game suspension rule for this? Apparently it is not enough, and not enforced with sufficient rigor. Tough D is great, punches are not.
Didn't Chris Paul have to sit for a game after punching Julius Hodge? Maybe the suspension ought to be for more than one game, and the second offense is out for the season.

From what I remember, a combative flagrant (which is what Paul and Gerald Henderson got for their incidents) is a one-game suspension.

IIRC, an all-out punch is more than one game.

Uncle Drew
02-15-2008, 01:17 AM
Here's a somewhat choppy video of the incident. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ki9IZukc0co)

Thanks Bo.......Bo knows basketball links.

At the end of the clip I saw the refs looking at the TV monitor to see exactly what happened which brings up a couple of questions. Most every college game is taped by the teams playing to review later. If a game isn't televised is it customary for the assaulted team to send video to the powers that be? Did the refs review the Henderson / Hansblahblah incident before throwing GH out of the game last year, I can't remember? Anyone remember Duke playing Temple years ago and Greg Newton taking an intentional forearm in the back of the head and getting knocked out cold? The Temple coach suspended the player a game after seeing the incident on TV, but the refs didn't see it happen in the game. I'm wondering if in this instance if the refs saw it happen or if they just saw the player laying in the floor and went to the monitors to see what happened.

It's getting to the point in ACC ball where it's hard not to think players are trying to harm other players and even ruin any chances of playing basketball again. If we fans are on the street or even at a game and sucker punch someone we can and probably will be brought up on assault charges. I think it's about time players / schools started letting the legal system take some action. A couple nights in jail and / or a fine in addition to suspension (you can't play when you are worried about getting shanked in the shower) might teach some of these thugs a lesson.

feldspar
02-15-2008, 02:03 AM
Thanks Bo.......Bo knows basketball links.

At the end of the clip I saw the refs looking at the TV monitor to see exactly what happened which brings up a couple of questions. Most every college game is taped by the teams playing to review later. If a game isn't televised is it customary for the assaulted team to send video to the powers that be? Did the refs review the Henderson / Hansblahblah incident before throwing GH out of the game last year, I can't remember? Anyone remember Duke playing Temple years ago and Greg Newton taking an intentional forearm in the back of the head and getting knocked out cold? The Temple coach suspended the player a game after seeing the incident on TV, but the refs didn't see it happen in the game. I'm wondering if in this instance if the refs saw it happen or if they just saw the player laying in the floor and went to the monitors to see what happened.

If the officials think that a punch has been thrown, they can go to the replay monitor to determine.

darthur
02-15-2008, 02:04 AM
Did the refs review the Henderson / Hansblahblah incident before throwing GH out of the game last year, I can't remember?

Yes, I'm pretty sure they did.

feldspar
02-15-2008, 02:08 AM
Yes, I'm pretty sure they did.

They definitely did. They determined that G hadn't thrown a punch, but the forearm was worthy of a flagrant.

juise
02-15-2008, 02:10 AM
I found the video on ESPN's team page for Wake (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/clubhouse?teamId=154) as well.

4decadedukie
02-15-2008, 05:11 AM
As I have posted several previous times, this flagrant and thuggish behavior is currently out of control in the ACC. Reid merits suspension for the remainder of the season, to demonstrate -- unambiguously -- that the ACC will not tolerate this sort of conduct. Without a draconian punishment, some fine young player will eventually be seriously and permanently injured on the court, DUE TO A DELIBERATE and CALCULATED ACTION. When that happens, the players, refs, coaches, fans, ADs, university administrators, and ACC hierarchy that has tolerated (perhaps even implicitly condoned) this violence will be responsible, through their clear, long-term inaction.

MulletMan
02-15-2008, 08:21 AM
I saw this hightlight last night as I was headed to bed... WTF? :confused:

Reid straight cold-cocked that kid! I mean just lined him up and wailed... that's a person with some issues right there.

Bob Green
02-15-2008, 08:29 AM
Ryan Reid needs to attend anger management counseling. What I found interesting was Reid's facial expressions/non-verbal communication when he took his seat on the bench immediately after the incident. He appears disgusted. Is he disgusted with his behavior? Or with the ref's decision to eject him?

pamtar
02-15-2008, 08:39 AM
Ryan Reid needs to attend anger management counseling. What I found interesting was Reid's facial expressions/non-verbal communication when he took his seat on the bench immediately after the incident. He appears disgusted. Is he disgusted with his behavior? Or with the ref's decision to eject him?

Ditto.

How can you punch someone in the throat and feel like you've been wronged?

allenmurray
02-15-2008, 08:40 AM
Ryan Reid needs to attend anger management counseling.

And his coach needs to step up and show some leadership.

millerecu
02-15-2008, 08:54 AM
But i wish they had a better angle of this. I am no fan of the thugery that is starting to happen frequently in the ACC but it almost looks like he was just trying to get the Wake player who was obviously holding him to let go. However, as I said if another video shows a closed fist punch then suspend him till the end of the regular season since its not his first offense.

vango
02-15-2008, 09:24 AM
The description on SportsCenter (take that for what it is worth) said the two got tangled up after a WF rebound and transition down the court. Reid punched the WF kid to get away.

My office next door neighbor (a UNC fan) and I agree the ACC needs to do something here. This "Big East" brand of basketball that seems to have come in with VT and BC (though FSU's Reid seems particularly bad) is taking away from the game and a great tradition here. I'm not sure if these schools get inferior recruits who result to these tactics to gain a competitive edge, or some of these kids are a bad seed or what. But, as long as the ACC lets it go - they're going to use it...

SMO
02-15-2008, 09:37 AM
Perhaps an accumulation system like many professional soccer leagues and tournaments use would help. The NCAA or the league could assign point values for technicals, flagrants, and intentionals and have a suspension system based on acculated points. A similar system could be applied at the team level and schools could be fined. Of course, the alternative is simply to enforce existing rules and issue firm suspensions for stuff like this. Either way, the consequences need to be increased. This season has been uglier than most as far as I can tell.

riverside6
02-15-2008, 09:37 AM
for those interested, here is the video from the espn news broadcast (scroll down to the second video) (http://www.scacchoops.com/forms/tt_NewsBreaker_External.asp?NB=1073) that shows the clip from two angles.

The punch looks intentional, although it's difficult for me to say he meant to hit him in the face. I'm curious if the Paulus incident will play into any suspension decision, although I doubt it will since it warranted no disciplinary action.

4decadedukie
02-15-2008, 09:54 AM
And his coach needs to step up and show some leadership.

Even better, FSU’s AD or President should immediately suspend him for the remainder of the season (including all post-season and tournament play). This would send the appropriate message not only to Reid and other athletes, but -- more important -- to FSU's coaches (who always seem to have some "ethical issues" and are willing to tolerate bad behavior for “Ws and Ls”).

MulletMan
02-15-2008, 10:02 AM
Even better, FSU’s AD or President should immediately suspend him for the remainder of the season (including all post-season and tournament play). This would send the appropriate message not only to Reid and other athletes, but -- more important -- to FSU's coaches (who always seem to have some "ethical issues" and are willing to tolerate bad behavior for “Ws and Ls”).

FSU can't suspend any more players from any of thier athletic programs. They can only handle about 60 suspensions at once... 61 would overload thier counselling program.

riverside6
02-15-2008, 10:05 AM
FSU can't suspend any more players from any of thier athletic programs. They can only handle about 60 suspensions at once... 61 would overload thier counselling program.
Now that's funny.

It's likely Reid was suspended earlier in the season due to being a part of the cheating scandal, although the team wouldn't say that.

elvis14
02-15-2008, 10:55 AM
Sadly, one of the things that plays into this is the fact that Reid was not suspended or punished for that weak-a$s shot he threw at Paulus. If the refs and the administrators (school, ACC, NCAA, AARP, NASCAR, whoever) would have suspended this kid after the Duke game like they should have chances are that the incident in the WF game never happens.

Letch
02-15-2008, 11:09 AM
Why wasn't he required to leave the bench? I mean Henderson was escorted out of the gym after the famous Hansbrough incident & not even allowed to sit on the bench in the next game in the ACC tournament. What is up with the double standard in this league?

captmojo
02-15-2008, 11:24 AM
Strike Three. He should be out by now. :mad:

3rd Dukie
02-15-2008, 12:36 PM
Ryan Reid needs to attend anger management counseling. What I found interesting was Reid's facial expressions/non-verbal communication when he took his seat on the bench immediately after the incident. He appears disgusted. Is he disgusted with his behavior? Or with the ref's decision to eject him?

Bob, your interpretation of the punk's facial expression may very well be right. However, I interpreted it much differently after I looked the clip several times. I thought he looked totally nonchalant and almost on the verge of a smirk when he apparently looked at another teammate. What a waste of oxygen! The league will not do a thing. They are totally toothless as mentioned before.

diablesseblu
02-15-2008, 12:38 PM
The PR release from GBoro after the football officiating debacles this year touted the increased video capabilities, game reviews etc. at league HQ.

That's not enough. I keep watching games with agita fearing I'll see a grievous injury a la Rudy T. It's time for JS to actually lead the conference (other than in PR, finances) and say "enough".

Can't wait to watch the "pooper scooper" action from Grandover if/maybe inevitably something tragic happens.

Maybe rather than commenting on UNC's prospects at "full strength", Vitale should call out some of the league officials who are allowing this type of play.

At least the football players have some protection. I, for one, find it troubling that someone is now keep "stitch stats".

SilkyJ
02-15-2008, 12:49 PM
And his coach needs to step up and show some leadership.

doubtful. he knows he recruits thugs and is willing to live with those consequences. as far as I'm concerned the coach is a thug now too. this absolutely unacceptable. I had very little respect for FSU, now it is gone. The only chance they have is to suspend him on their own SEVERELY be4 the ACC takes action (I think wake did the same with paul?)


Sadly, one of the things that plays into this is the fact that Reid was not suspended or punished for that weak-a$s shot he threw at Paulus. If the refs and the administrators (school, ACC, NCAA, AARP, NASCAR, whoever) would have suspended this kid after the Duke game like they should have chances are that the incident in the WF game never happens.

yup yup yup

mgtr
02-15-2008, 02:25 PM
I think the ACC should penalize FSU for the action of their player plus the inaction of their coach, AD, and President. Make them forfeit the rest of the regular season games, plus cost them some money. Now that would send a message! There may be a better more clever solution, but something that severe is needed before players get maimed.

riverside6
02-15-2008, 02:30 PM
Well, the message that has been sent so far is that it's a good thing for Reid that after punching McFarland in the face that he didn't nudge the official.

hc5duke
02-17-2008, 07:57 PM
Not that this makes reid any less culpable, but from the video, it seems macfarland was intentionally holding on to reid, and probably trying to get him to do something stupid, fully knowing reid has a short fuse.

Also, after watching the double-technical he got with zoubek (looked to me like all z said was "oh what was that"), i could only describe this kid with a 7-letter word that would be censored on this board.

billybreen
02-17-2008, 07:59 PM
Also, after watching the double-technical he got with zoubek (looked to me like all z said was "oh what was that"), i could only describe this kid with a 7-letter word that would be censored on this board.

arsehat?

mgtr
02-17-2008, 10:49 PM
Also, after watching the double-technical he got with zoubek (looked to me like all z said was "oh what was that"), i could only describe this kid with a 7-letter word that would be censored on this board.

I am not sure that they teach words with as many as seven letters at that school!

pamtar
02-17-2008, 10:53 PM
Bitttch?

hc5duke
02-17-2008, 11:37 PM
I am not sure that they teach words with as many as seven letters at that school!

Sorry, I guess maybe it wasn't specific enough... I meant the word that rhymes with bass-pole

camion
02-18-2008, 08:48 AM
Well, McFarland may be unsightly like an an assmole, but I don't see how that relates to basketball.

heavy g
02-18-2008, 09:46 AM
Reid is a punk, but deserves every cheap shot he receives. He is cut from the same cloth.

Once again, I highlight that the refs have progressively allowed more and more "shenanigans" on or off the ball over the last 10-15 years. Now they have to officiate "karate chop" versus "push off" every time somebody puts the ball on the floor. It's ridiculous, and it helps create this environment where "cheating" the rules is a requirement for success. If you called every significant jersey tug, hip check, "incidental" elbow, etc. a lot of these problems go away.

allenmurray
02-18-2008, 12:14 PM
chalz,

what is your problem. I see nothing in heavy's comments that are offensive. Do you have an agenda?

If you look at the bottom of heavyg's post you can see that it was edited by the moderators. Both you and heavy are very new to the boards. There is a culture here that doesn't tolerate racist, sexist, or homophobic language. Does that make us elitist compared to other boards? Maybe, maybe not. But those of us who are regulars like the tone that has been set. And we are pretty much all in agreement that the board belongs to the admins - their board, their rules.

throatybeard
02-18-2008, 12:17 PM
Does that make us elitist compared to other boards? Maybe, maybe not.

After losses or close wins, our board isn't elite compared to Hee Haw.

allenmurray
02-18-2008, 12:22 PM
After losses or close wins, our board isn't elite compared to Hee Haw.

True.

Poor Buck Owens. He'll be forever remembered for Hee Haw. Pre-HeeHaw he was a pioneer - developing the "Bakersfield Sound". If you want to hear a great semi-tribute to him, listen to Robbie Fulks', The Buck Stops Here.

heavy g
02-18-2008, 03:44 PM
My bad, didn't mean to offend. In my opinion, the offensive word I used was no more than a casual synonym for a wimp or sissy. But, I have no problem with the moderator's right to delete it.

All that having been said, that pales in comparison to what I see on other forums. Heck, it pales in comparison to what you will hear being screamed at Cameron on a regular basis.

allenmurray
02-18-2008, 03:49 PM
My bad, didn't mean to offend. In my opinion, the offensive word I used was no more than a casual synonym for a wimp or sissy. But, I have no problem with the moderator's right to delete it.

All that having been said, that pales in comparison to what I see on other forums. Heck, it pales in comparison to what you will hear being screamed at Cameron on a regular basis.

More than glad to take you at your word that you didn't mean to offend. Welcome. The fact that it pales in comparison to what is seen on other boards is something that we DBR folks are proud of.

ugadevil
02-18-2008, 03:53 PM
Now that's funny.

It's likely Reid was suspended earlier in the season due to being a part of the cheating scandal, although the team wouldn't say that.

I might be wrong, but I'm not sure he can be named in the cheating scandal. I think the students involved in that are protected by law. FERPA? Am I mistaken on this?

allenmurray
02-18-2008, 04:00 PM
I might be wrong, but I'm not sure he can be named in the cheating scandal. I think the students involved in that are protected by law. FERPA? Am I mistaken on this?

You are not mistaken. it was reported by the athletic department that he was suspended from the team. That it was part of the cheating scandal was press speculation.