Lindsey Harding

[jimsumner]

This has been touched on in some other threads but I thought this deserved a thread of its own.

Part of today's press release.

"On Sunday, January 20, former Duke women’s basketball National Player of the Year Lindsey Harding will become the second Blue Devil to have her jersey retired. At halftime of the N.C. State contest, which tips off at 1:00 p.m., Harding will join Alana Beard as the only two women’s basketball players in Duke history to have their jerseys hung in the rafters of Cameron Indoor Stadium.

“Knowing I am the second female to have her jersey retired is an amazing accomplishment,” said Harding. “When I first got to Duke there were no female jerseys hanging in the rafters, so the thought of ever having my jersey retired wasn’t even something I thought about. It was like a dream. I know seeing Alana’s jersey hanging in Cameron inspired me and made me want to have my No. 10 beside her. Maybe now with mine up there as well, it will be inspiring to others.”

Harding is coming off a 2006-07 season at Duke in which she was named Naismith National Player of the Year, became the inaugural winner of the WBCA National Defensive Player of the Year, was named ESPN.com National Player of the Year, Kodak All-America, ACC Player of the Year, ACC Defensive Player of the Year and Associated Press First Team All-America along with many others.

“From an observer’s standpoint last year, I have never seen a senior perform at the level Lindsey played last year,” said Duke Head Coach Joanne P. McCallie. “We all know of special seniors and there are many out there, but I think Lindsey set the standard for what a senior is supposed to be. I could only watch her as a fan though.” "

[-jk]

This has been touched on in some other threads but I thought this deserved a thread of its own.

Part of today's press release.

"On Sunday, January 20, former Duke women’s basketball National Player of the Year Lindsey Harding will become the second Blue Devil to have her jersey retired. At halftime of the N.C. State contest, which tips off at 1:00 p.m., Harding will join Alana Beard as the only two women’s basketball players in Duke history to have their jerseys hung in the rafters of Cameron Indoor Stadium.

“Knowing I am the second female to have her jersey retired is an amazing accomplishment,” said Harding. “When I first got to Duke there were no female jerseys hanging in the rafters, so the thought of ever having my jersey retired wasn’t even something I thought about. It was like a dream. I know seeing Alana’s jersey hanging in Cameron inspired me and made me want to have my No. 10 beside her. Maybe now with mine up there as well, it will be inspiring to others.”

Harding is coming off a 2006-07 season at Duke in which she was named Naismith National Player of the Year, became the inaugural winner of the WBCA National Defensive Player of the Year, was named ESPN.com National Player of the Year, Kodak All-America, ACC Player of the Year, ACC Defensive Player of the Year and Associated Press First Team All-America along with many others.

“From an observer’s standpoint last year, I have never seen a senior perform at the level Lindsey played last year,” said Duke Head Coach Joanne P. McCallie. “We all know of special seniors and there are many out there, but I think Lindsey set the standard for what a senior is supposed to be. I could only watch her as a fan though.” "

Cool! Just, well, Cool!

Glad to be a Dukie. Over and over and over again.

-jk

[BlueDevilBaby]

No TV. :(

[NovaScotian]

will coach g be in attendance? i hope so

[Bluedawg]

This has been touched on in some other threads but I thought this deserved a thread of its own.

You are correct, it does. And thank you for doing it!

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/tracy_schultz/02/23/inside.bkw/t1_harding_wi.jpg http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/04/04/1144161657_5701.jpg http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/405279759_75be2f54d2_m.jpg

[gadzooks]

AWESOME. Congratulations, Lindsey!

[365Duke]

well deserved and very glad for her.

[msdukie]

Game is on RSN.

BTW, has anyone else noticed that the women have yet to wear black during their 252 road games they've played this year?

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Congrats Lindsey! An honor well deserved.

#10 to the rafters!

[heyman25]

Good for Lindsey
Hope she recovers well for the WNBA season. I hope Jasmine Thomas can have 4 years at Duke like she had.

[willywoody]

not trying to put anyone down but as it was never made public why lindsey was suspended from the team for a year, i kind of have a problem with this. if someone wants to tell me why i shouldn't have reservations i'm listening. she was always one of my favorite players but the suspension is something i've wondered about for years now.

[Bluedawg]

not trying to put anyone down but as it was never made public why lindsey was suspended from the team for a year, i kind of have a problem with this. if someone wants to tell me why i shouldn't have reservations i'm listening. she was always one of my favorite players but the suspension is something i've wondered about for years now.

Its no ones business but hers and the teams. it needs not be made public.

It also doesn't detract from her ability as a player... i don't see why you should have reservations

[willywoody]

Its no ones business but hers and the teams. it needs not be made public.

It also doesn't detract from her ability as a player... i don't see why you should have reservations

having your number retired is not only based on "on court" actions but as a representative of the university. as a duke grad and iron duke i do feel i deserve to know why we are retiring a player's jersey if the player was suspended for an entire year.

what if it comes out that she cheated in class, should her number still be retired? or maybe she smoked a joint at a party?

i'm incredulous at how everyone seems to take your stance bluedawg.

[Tappan Zee Devil]

having your number retired is not only based on "on court" actions but as a representative of the university. as a duke grad and iron duke i do feel i deserve to know why we are retiring a player's jersey if the player was suspended for an entire year.

what if it comes out that she cheated in class, should her number still be retired? or maybe she smoked a joint at a party?

i'm incredulous at how everyone seems to take your stance bluedawg.

Well - apparently it does not bother the people in Athletic Department and University who made this decision and who DO know what happened.

It is just none of our business.


Jim

[willywoody]

Well - apparently it does not bother the people in Athletic Department and University who made this decision and who DO know what happened.

It is just none of our business.


Jim

well if it's none of my business then i guess my donations are none of their business.

[allenmurray]

having your number retired is not only based on "on court" actions but as a representative of the university. as a duke grad and iron duke i do feel i deserve to know why we are retiring a player's jersey if the player was suspended for an entire year.

what if it comes out that she cheated in class, should her number still be retired? or maybe she smoked a joint at a party?

i'm incredulous at how everyone seems to take your stance bluedawg.

IIRC when her suspension was announced it was made clear that she had violated no university or NCAA rules, but had violated internal team rules. If my memory is correct, and no university or NCAA rules were violated, than I think it is appropraite that this incident, whatever it was, remain between her, her team mates, and her coaches.

[allenmurray]

well if it's none of my business then i guess my donations are none of their business.

Our donations to the university do not give us any right to have confidential information about students relaeased to us.

[willywoody]

Our donations to the university do not give us any right to have confidential information about students relaeased to us.


i agree from everything that i "know" about her, she seems like a great person who should have her number retired. but i disagree with hiding skeletons in the closet for public displays of recognition.

[allenmurray]

i agree from everything that i "know" about her, she seems like a great person who should have her number retired. but i disagree with hiding skeletons in the closet for public displays of recognition.

I hope that no matter how much money anyone donates, the university doesn't feel that a donation should change its policy on student confidentiality.

Violations of the law are a matter of public record, therefore things like Hurley's drunk driving arrest are in the public domain. Violations of NCAA rules are a matter of public record through an agreement between the NCAA and its member institutions, therefore incidents like the Maggette issue are in the public domain. Violations of university rules and/or team rules are subject to a number of laws protecting the confidentiality of students.

Whatever Harding did (or didn't) do never rose to the level of an NCAA or legal violation. Therefore, if the university disclosed this information it would be in violation of a number of laws. In addition, it would have been acting in a way that went against the best interest of one if its students (if they though it was in her best interest to release details they would have already sone so) in order to satisfy the curiosity of one of its alumni/donors.

[Acymetric]

IIRC when her suspension was announced it was made clear that she had violated no university or NCAA rules, but had violated internal team rules. If my memory is correct, and no university or NCAA rules were violated, than I think it is appropraite that this incident, whatever it was, remain between her, her team mates, and her coaches.

It must have been a pretty severe violation to be suspended for an entire season...


or maybe she smoked a joint at a party?

Don't we already have someone in the rafters who did this?:D
Or was at least connected, I don't remember what the final decision was.

[gadzooks]

IIRC when her suspension was announced it was made clear that she had violated no university or NCAA rules, but had violated internal team rules. If my memory is correct, and no university or NCAA rules were violated, than I think it is appropraite that this incident, whatever it was, remain between her, her team mates, and her coaches.
I agree. Clearly, whatever Lindsey did was serious, but that does not mean that we, as fans or even donors to the university, are in any way entitled to that information. She also came back from it a better leader and player, and the people who are privy to the details obviously feel that her accomplishments are not overshadowed by that transgression.

[willywoody]

I hope that no matter how much money anyone donates, the university doesn't feel that a donation should change its policy on student confidentiality.

Violations of the law are a matter of public record, therefore things like Hurley's drunk driving arrest are in the public domain. Violations of NCAA rules are a matter of public record through an agreement between the NCAA and its member institutions, therefore incidents like the Maggette issue are in the public domain. Violations of university rules and/or team rules are subject to a number of laws protecting the confidentiality of students.

Whatever Harding did (or didn't) do never rose to the level of an NCAA or legal violation. Therefore, if the university disclosed this information it would be in violation of a number of laws. In addition, it would have been acting in a way that went against the best interest of one if its students (if they though it was in her best interest to release details they would have already sone so) in order to satisfy the curiosity of one of its alumni/donors.


hey i'm not trying to play any "i donate blahblah amount" game with the university. i donate little now and that will now stop. if the university wants to keep its little black secrets so be it, but i will not support them.

[Bluedog]

Don't we already have someone in the rafters who did this?:D
Or was at least connected, I don't remember what the final decision was.

He was exonerated of any wrongdoing whatsoever and was never found to have smoked pot.

http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2003/04/28/Sports/Redick.Cleared.In.Incident-1463756.shtml
Article is by Mike Corey, incidentally...

[fitimi1]

The first image that comes to my mind when I think of Lindsey is the hug between her and the mentally challenged child. That and the story surrounding this relationship tells me all I need to know about her character.

[allenmurray]

hey i'm not trying to play any "i donate blahblah amount" game with the university. i donate little now and that will now stop. if the university wants to keep its little black secrets so be it, but i will not support them.

Yeah, who needs FERPA and the Buckly amendment anyway?!

[gadzooks]

hey i'm not trying to play any "i donate blahblah amount" game with the university. i donate little now and that will now stop. if the university wants to keep its little black secrets so be it, but i will not support them.Money makes the world go 'round...you? You think that with your donation you're paying for access to confidential information? Honestly, I don't understand this. If you don't care for what the university is doing with the funds you give them, by all means stop donating, but you seem to have a wildly distorted view of what exactly you're entitled to for those dollars.

[willywoody]

Yeah, who needs FERPA and the Buckly amendment anyway?!

i had to look those up but i do not think that applies to whether a student should receive an award for what they accomplished as a duke basketball player. it means i can't go up to the university and look into her records.

as i stated earlier , from what i've seen and read about lindsey, she deserves the recognition. i just disagree with honoring someone who was suspended for a year without explanation. just my opinion and from what i'm reading here i guess i'm about the only one who cares about it.

[wbs2455]

If what I was told by sources close to the situation is correct, the suspension was certainly warranted and IMO, it should preclude Harding from having her jersey retired. Lindsey entered Duke the same year I did and having attended 95% of the home games as well as a handful of away games during her career, I have tremendous respect for her ability on the court as well as 99% of her actions off the court. Personally, my opinion regarding retired jerseys (& banners) is the opposite of what seems to be held down 15-501. I feel like the rafters belong to only the absolute best, on and off the court, and unfortunately, a bad decision keeps Lindsey from that distinction in my mind. That will not stop me from applauding Lindsey Saturday. She has still done some tremendous things for this community and for Duke Womens basketball, all of which deserve recognition.

[allenmurray]

i had to look those up but i do not think that applies to whether a student should receive an award for what they accomplished as a duke basketball player. it means i can't go up to the university and look into her records.

as i stated earlier , from what i've seen and read about lindsey, she deserves the recognition. i just disagree with honoring someone who was suspended for a year without explanation. just my opinion and from what i'm reading here i guess i'm about the only one who cares about it.

You are correct - it doesn't apply to whether she should receive an award. But it goes well beyond you not going to the university to look up her records. It prevents the university from releasing information about a student.

[Bluedawg]

IIRC when her suspension was announced it was made clear that she had violated no university or NCAA rules, but had violated internal team rules. If my memory is correct, and no university or NCAA rules were violated, than I think it is appropraite that this incident, whatever it was, remain between her, her team mates, and her coaches.

You are correct, and this is the basis for my "Its no ones business but hers and the teams. it needs not be made public" comment.

It happened in-house and it was dealt with in-house.

[gadzooks]

I don't have any quarrel with feeling that the suspension should make her ineligible for jersey retirement. It does concern me somewhat, but I also feel that since the decision has already been made, I will support her. It was the IMO bizarre assertion that being an alumnus or donor should make one privy to information that's not been publicly released for good reason that I took issue with. Many of us as fans tend to develop an over-inflated sense of our importance in the scheme of things.

[willywoody]

You are correct - it doesn't apply to whether she should receive an award. But it goes well beyond you not going to the university to look up her records. It prevents the university from releasing information about a student.

only without the student's consent.

[willywoody]

It was the IMO bizarre assertion that being an alumnus or donor should make one privy to information that's not been publicly released for good reason that I took issue with. Many of us as fans tend to develop an over-inflated sense of our importance in the scheme of things.

that's your bizarre misinterpretation of what i said. i have no over inflated sense of importance at all. i just have a problem with retiring a jersey of a player suspended for an entire year without explanation. as a duke graduate, what the university does with its honors does concern me. it reflects on how others perceive my alma mater and thereby the public's perceived worth of the degree i obtained.

[allenmurray]

only without the student's consent.

I've dealt with FERPA and student confidentiality on a professional basis quite a bit. I can tell you it is far more complicated than you think. Whatever the incident was, if there were other students involved they would have to consent as well. If there were faculty/staff involved they would have rights regarding confidentiality (under employee law, not under FERPA). Even if everyone consented the university could still choose to not reveal information because of its own potential liability.

Sometime you simply have to say to yourself, "This athletic department (save the lacrosse incident) has comported itself incredibly well over the years. No serious scandals, high graduation rates, good students who are good people, coaches who play by the rules, etc. I'm not entitled to know everything about everybody. I'll just have to trust that they are doing the right thing."

[willywoody]

Sometime you simply have to say to yourself, "This athletic department (save the lacrosse incident) has comported itself incredibly well over the years. No serious scandals, high graduation rates, good students who are good people, coaches who play by the rules, etc. I'm not entitled to know everything about everybody. I'll just have to trust that they are doing the right thing."

i'd like to, but baseball and lacrosse, as well as an AD who likes to get drunk and wreck his boat, have taken nearly all my trust in the athletic dept. away. maybe their ideas of integrity aren't what mine are? i guess i'll never know.

thanks for some more insight on ferpa. while i agree with its intentions i'm not so certain i agree with its outcome.

[gadzooks]

that's your bizarre misinterpretation of what i said. i have no over inflated sense of importance at all.Oh? Here are your own words:


well if it's none of my business then i guess my donations are none of their business.

as a duke grad and iron duke i do feel i deserve to know why we are retiring a player's jersey if the player was suspended for an entire year.

i donate little now and that will now stop. if the university wants to keep its little black secrets so be it, but i will not support them.I certainly don't see how my interpretation is so off the mark.

[willywoody]

I certainly don't see how my interpretation is so off the mark.

interpret away, but you are wrong. i just expect accountability of our athletes as representatives of our university. i'm sorry i'm just not buying the "trust the athletic dept on this" argument. they've lost my trust. if y'all want to turn my complaint on its head and say i've been out of line and am trying to skirt ferpa or whatever go at it. that is not my complaint nor my argument, but merely deflects the discussion away from what i said to start: i think it looks bad to retire her jersey with this hanging around unexplained. it's not like i'm unable to forgive an indiscretion but to retire a jersey under these circumstances is concerning to me, and i guess maybe two other posters on this list. that is all from me. congrats lindsey.

[msdukie]

I belive the reference above to a retired jersey with past suspension history would refer to the original #10, retired May 1, 1952.

[Devil in the Blue Dress]

I belive the reference above to a retired jersey with past suspension history would refer to the original #10, retired May 1, 1952.

Are you referring to Dick Groat?

[msdukie]

Yes. He was suspended from school for academic reasons. Most people don't know that.

[Acymetric]

He was exonerated of any wrongdoing whatsoever and was never found to have smoked pot.

http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2003/04/28/Sports/Redick.Cleared.In.Incident-1463756.shtml
Article is by Mike Corey, incidentally...

I knew nothing was ever confirmed (I'm sure he would've missed some gametime), but the reference was too much to pass up. Thats why I added the bit at the end of the post, didn't want anyone to think I was trying to sully Redick's good name. I saw "joint" and "hanging in the rafters" and immediately thought of one of my favorite Duke players (at least in the past many years).

[bludev03]

Yes, she did meet the requirements (graduating and earning NPOY honors). However, my beef is that she didn't have a dominant career - start to finish. Basically, Harding only had two great yrs at Duke.
Monique Currie came on the scene and dominated during her career - start to finish. Also, she earned ACC Tournament MVP (during her freshman yr), ACC POY, and 2 time Kodak AA. Also, she set school records for most points in a game, tied the record for most assists in a game, and posted the second triple-double in school history. In addition, she is the only player in ACC history to post 2,000 points, 800 rebounds, 400 assists, and 200 steals in a career. No team rule violations or suspensions.
To me, she should have her jersey retired. Harding only had 2 great years; Currie had 4. The only glaring difference is that Currie never earned NPOY honors...

[Bluedawg]

Yes, she did meet the requirements (graduating and earning NPOY honors). However, my beef is that she didn't have a dominant career - start to finish. Basically, Harding only had two great yrs at Duke.
Monique Currie came on the scene and dominated during her career - start to finish. Also, she earned ACC Tournament MVP (during her freshman yr), ACC POY, and 2 time Kodak AA. Also, she set school records for most points in a game, tied the record for most assists in a game, and posted the second triple-double in school history. In addition, she is the only player in ACC history to post 2,000 points, 800 rebounds, 400 assists, and 200 steals in a career. No team rule violations or suspensions.
To me, she should have her jersey retired. Harding only had 2 great years; Currie had 4. The only glaring difference is that Currie never earned NPOY honors...

I would love to see Monique's # in the rafters. I also want to add another #4 up there.

[ronnic]

I also want to add another #4 up there.

I'm definitely with you on another #4 hanging up there.

[heifer]

How about another #23?

[Classof06]

not trying to put anyone down but as it was never made public why lindsey was suspended from the team for a year, i kind of have a problem with this. if someone wants to tell me why i shouldn't have reservations i'm listening. she was always one of my favorite players but the suspension is something i've wondered about for years now.


WillyWoody, it really is none of your business why she got suspended. Writing a check does not make you privy to that information. You support Duke's athletic program because you believe they'll represent the university in the right way. If the university is at fault, then that's one thing. But you aren't guaranteed insight into the lives of every Duke athlete. Not by a long shot. If you've lost faith in the athletic department then stop donating money and go on with the rest of your life. All you should care about is that whatever she did wrong, she carried out her punishment to the satisfaction of the university, the athletic department, her coach and her teammates. That's accountability; not answering to Duke's boosters. And this is coming from someone who will become an Iron Duke in the very near future.