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aimo
12-05-2007, 03:06 PM
I was reading the comic Frazz today. Apparently, nowhere in Humpty Dumpty does it say he's an egg!

Why haven't I noticed this before? Who started this rumor that he's an egg? Did Sesame Street start all this?

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty_%28Sesame_Street%29

hurleyfor3
12-05-2007, 03:08 PM
I was reading the comic Frazz today. Apparently, nowhere in Humpty Dumpty does it say he's an egg!

Why haven't I noticed this before? Who started this rumor that he's an egg? Did Sesame Street start all this?

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty_%28Sesame_Street%29

Other things like this are the song B-I-N-G-O (is Bingo the name of the dog, or the owner?) and the Book of Genesis (no mention what kind of fruit the Forbidden Fruit is).

snowdenscold
12-05-2007, 03:14 PM
Other things like this are the song B-I-N-G-O (is Bingo the name of the dog, or the owner?) and the Book of Genesis (no mention what kind of fruit the Forbidden Fruit is).

Nor does Matthew say how many wise men there were. 2+ is all we know.

allenmurray
12-05-2007, 03:16 PM
I was reading the comic Frazz today. Apparently, nowhere in Humpty Dumpty does it say he's an egg!

Why haven't I noticed this before? Who started this rumor that he's an egg? Did Sesame Street start all this?

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty_%28Sesame_Street%29

I doubt it was Sesame Street. From Wikipedia:

Humpty Dumpty is a character in a nursery rhyme portrayed as an anthropomorphic egg. Most English-speaking children are familiar with the rhyme:

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.

The fact that Humpty Dumpty is an egg is not actually stated in the rhyme. In its first printed form, in 1810, it is a riddle, and exploits for misdirection the fact that "humpty dumpty" was 18th-Century reduplicative slang for a short, clumsy person. Whereas a clumsy person falling off a wall would not be irreparably damaged, an egg would be. The rhyme is no longer posed as a riddle, since the answer is now so well known. Similar riddles have been recorded by folklorists in other languages, such as Boule Boule in French, or Lille Trille in Swedish & Norwegian; though none is as widely known as Humpty Dumpty is in English.

Also, HD was identified as an egg as early as in Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking Glass.

allenmurray
12-05-2007, 03:18 PM
Other things like this are the song B-I-N-G-O (is Bingo the name of the dog, or the owner?) and the Book of Genesis (no mention what kind of fruit the Forbidden Fruit is).

The farmer's name was Bingo. The dog was named Fred.

hurleyfor3
12-05-2007, 03:20 PM
The farmer's name was Bingo. The dog was named Fred.

What, is there a second verse that clarifies the pronoun reference and gives the name of the dog?

wilson
12-05-2007, 03:21 PM
Funny, I always thought it was

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Had scrambled eggs for dinner again.

Lavabe
12-05-2007, 03:28 PM
Okay Head Elf & Snowdenscold: Your ways confuse me (inflection of Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer). Here's the most confusing thing of all about Christmas:

Why is Santa Claus always wearing red and white?

Being here in the land of Coca-Cola, is it true that it is related to Coke's advertising and endless promotion?

Confused on this first full day of Hanukkah,
Lavabe

wilson
12-05-2007, 03:31 PM
Okay Head Elf & Snowdenscold: Your ways confuse me (inflection of Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer). Here's the most confusing thing of all about Christmas:

Why is Santa Claus always wearing red and white?

Being here in the land of Coca-Cola, is it true that it is related to Coke's advertising and endless promotion?

Confused on this first full day of Hanukkah,
Lavabe

Sort of. The traditional red and white-suited Santa Claus, it's true, was heavily propagated by various Coca-Cola ad campaigns. But the modern image of Santa was in fact first created by Thomas Nast (the same guy who created the Democratic/Republican donkey/elephant) sometime in the 1860s/70s. Coke merely took his images and ran with them, of course with the obvious utility of a red & white motif to start.

EarlJam
12-05-2007, 03:32 PM
Funny, I always thought it was

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Had scrambled eggs for dinner again.

Awesome.

-EJ

rthomas
12-05-2007, 03:40 PM
Other things like this are the song B-I-N-G-O (is Bingo the name of the dog, or the owner?) and the Book of Genesis (no mention what kind of fruit the Forbidden Fruit is).

I'm a big proponent of the Forbidden Fruit.

blublood
12-05-2007, 03:44 PM
Nor does Matthew say how many wise men there were. 2+ is all we know.

Nor does it say that they found the holy family on the night of Jesus's birth by following the star, as we've been led to believe by all those Christmas figurine sets. : ) The sequence of events goes:

1) Magi show up and freak Herod out by wanting to know where the new King is, having seen his star.
2) Herod sends them out in search of Jesus, lying and saying that he wants to worship him too.
3) Magi see star, are overjoyed, and follow it to "the place where the child lay." (I don't know what the Greek word is, but my NIV translates this place as "house" - which is definitely very different from a "stable", suggesting that this may have been days, weeks, or even months afterwards)
4) Magi worship Jesus. Are warned in a dream not to go back to Herod and instead go home another way.

snowdenscold
12-05-2007, 03:51 PM
Nor does it say that they found the holy family on the night of Jesus's birth by following the star, as we've been led to believe by all those Christmas figurine sets. : ) The sequence of events goes:


Indeed. We see the Magi in nativity scenes now, even though in many traditions Epiphany is on the twelfth night (12 days of xmas...). Historically, it could have been months or years later.


"You mean to tell me there was more than one lobster present at the birth of Jesus?"
"Duh."

blublood
12-05-2007, 03:56 PM
Indeed. We see the Magi in nativity scenes now, even though in many traditions Epiphany is on the twelfth night (12 days of xmas...). Historically, it could have been months or years later.



O.k., wise men, back in the styrofoam box with you... you don't get to come out until January. :)

Channing
12-05-2007, 04:24 PM
I'm a big proponent of the Forbidden Fruit.

In fact there is Jewish lore that says the forbidden fruit was actually a pomegranate, since a pomegranate has mystical significance in the Jewish religion.

aimo
12-05-2007, 04:28 PM
In fact there is Jewish lore that says the forbidden fruit was actually a pomegranate, since a pomegranate has mystical significance in the Jewish religion.

I think I heard somewhere it was believed to have been a banana, but maybe that's just me being all Freudian.

Rich
12-05-2007, 04:59 PM
Similarly, check out Wikipedia regarding the rhyme "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeny,_meeny,_miny,_moe. Pretty fascinating.

Johnboy
12-05-2007, 04:59 PM
I think I heard somewhere it was believed to have been a banana, but maybe that's just me being all Freudian.

Remember: the forbidden fruit is from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The Freudian part of the anatomy most resembling a banana knows nothing of good and evil, especially when the owner uses it do do his thinking for him.

EarlJam
12-05-2007, 05:10 PM
Remember: the forbidden fruit is from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The Freudian part of the anatomy most resembling a banana knows nothing of good and evil, especially when the owner uses it do do his thinking for him.

I love lamp.


-EarlJam

captmojo
12-05-2007, 05:40 PM
...and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love...you make.

Or is the hokey pokey what it really is all about?

EarlJam
12-05-2007, 05:43 PM
...and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love...you make.

Or is the hokey pokey what it really is all about?

Snap.

Capt. Mojo, you were posting this as I posted to the "How far will UNC go" thread. Our posts were eerily similar.

-EJ

captmojo
12-05-2007, 05:51 PM
Snap.

Capt. Mojo, you were posting this as I posted to the "How far will UNC go" thread. Our posts were eerily similar.

-EJ

Something paranormal perhaps?

Lavabe
12-06-2007, 08:24 AM
In fact there is Jewish lore that says the forbidden fruit was actually a pomegranate, since a pomegranate has mystical significance in the Jewish religion.

The fruit question that bugs me the most is NOT about the forbidden fruit. It's:
Why do people call the tomato a vegetable when, after all, it's a fruit?

Cheers,
Lavabe

hurleyfor3
12-06-2007, 09:26 AM
The fruit question that bugs me the most is NOT about the forbidden fruit. It's:
Why do people call the tomato a vegetable when, after all, it's a fruit?

Cheers,
Lavabe

Probably because people think

fruit = sugar
tomato = no sugar
therefore tomato = not fruit

aimo
12-06-2007, 09:43 AM
Probably because people think

fruit = sugar
tomato = no sugar
therefore tomato = not fruit

Also, the fact that we tend to eat tomatoes in a more vegetable setting with vegetables and not with other fruit. Granted, in the South, we do at times eat sliced tomatoes at a big, sit-down breakfast, with our grits, as we might eat fruit. But generally, tomatoes are eaten as if they were vegetables.

And if you're going to go there, why are peanuts called pea-NUTS? They are actually legumes! But most people focus on the NUT part of the name.

Johnboy
12-06-2007, 10:50 AM
Also, the fact that we tend to eat tomatoes in a more vegetable setting with vegetables and not with other fruit. Granted, in the South, we do at times eat sliced tomatoes at a big, sit-down breakfast, with our grits, as we might eat fruit. But generally, tomatoes are eaten as if they were vegetables.

And if you're going to go there, why are peanuts called pea-NUTS? They are actually legumes! But most people focus on the NUT part of the name.

In a can of mixed nuts containing only peanuts, Brazil nuts and cashews, there are no true nuts (in the botanical sense).

Lavabe
12-06-2007, 11:33 AM
Also, the fact that we tend to eat tomatoes in a more vegetable setting with vegetables and not with other fruit. Granted, in the South, we do at times eat sliced tomatoes at a big, sit-down breakfast, with our grits, as we might eat fruit. But generally, tomatoes are eaten as if they were vegetables.

And if you're going to go there, why are peanuts called pea-NUTS? They are actually legumes! But most people focus on the NUT part of the name.

The tomato question still lingers. You might be right aimo, but it's just not a satisfying answer. FWIW, the tomato question is paired with this one:

How come when we order meals at most good Southern restaurants MAC N CHEESE is considered a vegetable?

Cheers,
Lavabe

freshmanjs
12-06-2007, 01:00 PM
The tomato question still lingers. You might be right aimo, but it's just not a satisfying answer. FWIW, the tomato question is paired with this one:

How come when we order meals at most good Southern restaurants MAC N CHEESE is considered a vegetable?

Cheers,
Lavabe

Well, fruit is a botanical category and vegetable is not. so it is completely possible for something to be a fruit and a vegetable.

just like a carrot can be a root and a vegetable.

DevilAlumna
12-06-2007, 01:11 PM
How come when we order meals at most good Southern restaurants MAC N CHEESE is considered a vegetable?


In my experience, it's called a "side," (side dish), but since most sides are veggies, it gets lumped in. Cornbread is a side as well, not really a veggie, even tho it does have corn bits in it.

wilson
12-06-2007, 01:39 PM
Cornbread is a side as well, not really a veggie, even tho it does have corn bits in it.

Real cornbread has jalapeno bits in it too.

aimo
12-06-2007, 02:05 PM
How come when we order meals at most good Southern restaurants MAC N CHEESE is considered a vegetable?

Yeah, I'm still embarrassed about that one.

Lavabe
12-07-2007, 04:17 AM
Real cornbread has jalapeno bits in it too.

I wonder what beer goes well with cornbread. [WHOOPS ... that's another thread].

I used to enjoy jalapenos in cornbread, until I had a variant of it at a K&W Cafeteria in Burlington. Let's just say that I'm scarred for life.

So my list of banned food items now includes collard greens and jalapeno cornbread.
Cheers,
Lavabe

captmojo
12-07-2007, 07:41 AM
I wonder what beer goes well with cornbread. [WHOOPS ... that's another thread].

I used to enjoy jalapenos in cornbread, until I had a variant of it at a K&W Cafeteria in Burlington. Let's just say that I'm scarred for life.

So my list of banned food items now includes collard greens and jalapeno cornbread.
Cheers,
Lavabe

I have wondered for a long time.......
Which brand of peanut butter would go best with sardines?:rolleyes:

Lavabe
12-07-2007, 08:21 AM
I have wondered for a long time.......
Which brand of peanut butter would go best with sardines?:rolleyes:

EWWWWWWWWWW!;)

EarlJam: Why not just add a Snidely Whiplash mustache to your avatar?

So just how did some politicos claim that ketchup should count as a vegetable serving?
Cheers,
Lavabe

DevilAlumna
12-07-2007, 11:37 AM
So just how did some politicos claim that ketchup should count as a vegetable serving?


Let's just say you NEVER want to be on the wrong side of the Tomato Farmer's Marketing Association....