Charting Duke/Princeton

[Jumbo]

I logged the Duke/Princeton game just like I did for Duke/NMSU. I'll try to do this for as many games as possible. Right now, it's absolutely ridiculous to draw any meaning from these numbers. Coach K is just subbing too frequently for certain combinations to play any meaningful minutes together. There were times when certain groups weren't in long enough for a single basket to be scored. Coach K switched lineups 27 different times (this is different from the total number of subs, which is just individual substitutions, as he was often putting multiple guys in at once), and 23 of those were unique. And he never used a single lineup more than twice. Regardless, here are the numbers:

Lineups:
Paulus-Nelson-Henderson-Singler-Thomas 22-7 (+15)
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Thomas 7-2 (+5)
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Singler 6-1 (+5)
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Zoubek 4-0 (+4)
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Zoubek 4-0 (+4)
Paulus-Pocius-Nelson-Singler-Zoubek 7-4 (+3)
Paulus-Pocius-Henderson-King-McClure 2-0 (+2)
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-King-Singler 2-0 (+2)
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Zoubek 10-9 (+1)
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Thomas 2-2 (0)
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-King-Thomas 0-0 (0)
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-King-McClure 3-3 (0)
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-McClure-Thomas 0-0 (0)
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-McClure 2-2 (0)
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Thomas 0-0 (0)
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Thomas 2-3 (-1)
Smith-Pocius-Nelson-McClure-Singler 2-3 (-1)
Paulus-Scheyer-Pocius-King-Singler 0-2 (-2)
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-Thomas-Zoubek 0-2 (-2)
Paulus-Pocius-Nelson-McClure-Thomas 1-3 (-2)
Smith-Pocius-Nelson-King-Singler 0-2 (-2)
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Zoubek 4-8 (-4)
Smith-Pocius-King-McClure-Zoubek 3-8 (-5)

Individuals
Gerald Henderson 50-17 (+33)
Greg Paulus 60-34 (+26)
Kyle Singler 57-41 (+16)
Lance Thomas 34-19 (+15)
Taylor King 33-20 (+13)
Jon Scheyer 46-34 (+12)
DeMarcus Nelson 52-41 (+11)
Brian Zoubek 32-31 (+1)
Nolan Smith 23-27 (-4)
David McClure 13-19 (-6)
Martynas Pocius 15-22 (-7)

[phaedrus]

Unless I'm missing something, it looks like we didn't once go with our 4-guard lineup that I believe was our most successful last week: Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Henderson-Singler. Should we expect to see more of that lineup or not?

[wisteria]

Coach K was indeed using a lot of bench and twisting the line-ups a lot in the second half. And apparently he wasn't happy about the bench performance.



Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski said. "I thought our first six guys played really well but we to get more from our bench and they got a lot time tonight and I wasn't pleased with their performance."


"We need enthusiasm and defense from our bench," Krzyzewski said. "You can miss shots, that's fine. They played young today and we're not an old team."

[feldspar]

I still don't understand these +/- numbers. I know the NBA is all about them this year. They're like Greek to me.

[Jumbo]

Unless I'm missing something, it looks like we didn't once go with our 4-guard lineup that I believe was our most successful last week: Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Henderson-Singler. Should we expect to see more of that lineup or not?

Nope, didn't use it. I still think we'll see it a lot to finish close games, but I think K was trying to work in other guys.

[Jumbo]

I still don't understand these +/- numbers. I know the NBA is all about them this year. They're like Greek to me.

What don't you understand?

[feldspar]

Paulus-Nelson-Henderson-Singler-Thomas 22-7 (+15)

What are these numbers?

[wisteria]

What are these numbers?

we scored 22 and they scored 7 during the stretch?

[Jumbo]

we scored 22 and they scored 7 during the stretch?

Right -- although it's a total for lineups that were used more than once.

[loran16]

I lose, a good game for lance. :-/ . Well its a long season, and hopefully my feelings will be proven wrong.

Anyhow for constructive commenting, while its encouraging to see paulus' high + value, ithis is probably a sign of simply him being in during the early part of the game whereas smith was often in there with weaker players and in garbage time, where they didnt count as much.

in other words, while i like the +/- stats, i think that they are kind of not the best stat during games that are blowouts from the start. +/-s should get really interesting in the marquette game (which shouldnt be quite a blowout, and thus theoretically shouldnt have garbage time....though id like a blowout myself.)

[Jumbo]

Let's get by Illinois first. They're playing quite well against ASU.

[darthur]

I'm not sure if Jumbo or anyone else is up for tracking it, but I would love to see cumulative +/- numbers as the year goes on. It's hard to read much from just a single game, but after 5 or 10 games, the cumulative stats might be pretty telling.

[pfrduke]

I'm not sure if Jumbo or anyone else is up for tracking it, but I would love to see cumulative +/- numbers as the year goes on. It's hard to read much from just a single game, but after 5 or 10 games, the cumulative stats might be pretty telling.

I do this here (http://dbdhoops.blogspot.com). And actually, I track differences in scoring, rebounding, turnovers, etc. based on who's on the court. Last year, I did it just with players, but this year I'm trying to do it by lineup as well. I haven't put up the cumulative numbers yet, but once Maui is over, I'll be updating them regularly.

[STLDukeFan4]

I noticed the same thing with the no Paulus/Scheyer/Henderson/Nelson/Singler lineup tonight. I think that is one of our best lineups. Seemed like Coach K was trying to use big men a lot tonight. Seemed like Zoubek got a lot of minutes tonight.

[wisteria]

I noticed the same thing with the no Paulus/Scheyer/Henderson/Nelson/Singler lineup tonight. I think that is one of our best lineups. Seemed like Coach K was trying to use big men a lot tonight. Seemed like Zoubek got a lot of minutes tonight.

To tell the truth, since we are playing 9-11 deep recently, I find it rather difficult to notice the line-up changes. Take today's game as an example, I was cheering for everyone and didn't notice we went for bench line-up until Marty showed up. It feels good to have deep bench. We'll see if we go back to a 7-man rotation as the season moves on.

[STLDukeFan4]

Ya, I am the same way. When the first set of subs come in, it usually just seems to me like the starters are still in. I like that feeling..makes me feel like I have ALOT of confidence in the top 7 or 8 players...not that I dont have confidence in the others that come in, it just shows how good our top 7 or 8 are.

[Jumbo]

I'll add my stuff up after the last Maui game.

[darthur]

Cool, thanks to both jumbo and pfrduke. They are definitely interesting stats.

[Jumbo]

I do this here (http://dbdhoops.blogspot.com). And actually, I track differences in scoring, rebounding, turnovers, etc. based on who's on the court. Last year, I did it just with players, but this year I'm trying to do it by lineup as well. I haven't put up the cumulative numbers yet, but once Maui is over, I'll be updating them regularly.

I think I'm doing something wrong on your site. Where do I see this year's games?

[dw0827]

I posted this a few minutes ago on the post-game thread and then saw Jumbo's charting thread. My comments belong here, I think. His charting is really something because I think it it confirms what I suspected. Anyway, this is what I posted (I don't know how to move my post from one thread to another):

"I'm wondering if Coach K isn't using these blow-out games as an opportunity to experiment with rotations and line-ups.

I suspect that all the subbing has a negative effect on the flow of the game and explains why we've looked somewhat disjointed after a certain point in the game. Experiment time. See who plays well together . . . try this . . . try that. Some combinations work and some don't.

I think it will take time for the coaching staff to nail down the rotations and combinations that work well together. In the meantime, it won't always be pretty . . .

Its an interesting problem to have . . . how to effectively use 11 guys. Not as easy as it sounds. And until we get it figured out, there will be some ugliness.

I'm curious to see how many guys we use in the next two games . . . cuz they aren't going to be blow-outs."

[MChambers]

I think I'm doing something wrong on your site. Where do I see this year's games?

http://dbdhoops.blogspot.com/2007/11/duke-86-new-mexico-state-61.html

[elvis14]

I'm not sure if Jumbo or anyone else is up for tracking it, but I would love to see cumulative +/- numbers as the year goes on. It's hard to read much from just a single game, but after 5 or 10 games, the cumulative stats might be pretty telling.

Here's the combined numbers from Jumbo's NMSU and Princeton charting posts. Feel free to correct any mistakes I made doing simple math in my head. Jumbo, this is great information thanks so much for posting it. I know you were lovin' it when Scheyer had that +24 margin after the NMSU :D

I'll have to write a Perl script to take that data and make cumulative charts. At least then it'll look like I'm getting some work done!

Lineups (NMSU) (Princeton) Overall
Paulus-Nelson-Henderson-Singler-Thomas.......(16-15.+01) (22-07.+15) 38-22 +16
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Henderson-Singler......(09-02.+07) (xx-xx.+xx) 09-02 +07
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-King-Singler...........(07-02.+05) (02-00.+02) 09-02 +07
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Henderson-Singler.......(07-02.+05) (xx-xx.+xx) 07-02 +05
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Zoubek..........(03-02.+01) (04-00.+04) 07-02 +05
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Thomas.........(xx-xx.+xx) (07-02.+05) 07-02 +05
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Singler.........(xx-xx.+xx) (06-01.+05) 06-01 +05
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-Singler-Thomas......(13-09.+04) (xx-xx.+xx) 13-09 +04
Paulus-Nelson-Henderson-King-Thomas..........(04-00.+04) (xx-xx.+xx) 04-00 +04
Smith-Scheyer-Pocius-Nelson-King.............(06-02.+04) (xx-xx.+xx) 06-02 +04
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Zoubek.........(xx-xx.+xx) (04-00.+04) 04-00 +04
Paulus-Pocius-Nelson-Singler-Zoubek..........(xx-xx.+xx) (07-04.+03) 07-04 +03
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-King-Zoubek.............(05-02.+03) (xx-xx.+xx) 05-02 +03
Paulus-Pocius-Nelson-Henderson-Singler.......(03-00.+03) (xx-xx.+xx) 03-00 +03
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-Singler-Thomas.......(02-00.+02) (xx-xx.+xx) 02-00 +02
Smith-Scheyer-Pocius-King-Zoubek.............(06-04.+02) (xx-xx.+xx) 06-04 +02
Paulus-Pocius-Henderson-King-McClure.........(xx-xx.+xx) (02-00.+02) 02-00 +02
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Singler........(01-00.+01) (xx-xx.+xx) 01-00 +01
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Zoubek.........(xx-xx.+xx) (10-09.+01) 10-09 +01
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Henderson-Zoubek........(00-00.+00) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-00 +00
Paulus-Scheyer-Pocius-Nelson-King............(00-00.+00) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-00 +00
Paulus-Scheyer-Pocius-King-Zoubek............(00-00.+00) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-00 +00
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Henderson-Thomas.......(02-02.+00) (xx-xx.+xx) 02-02 +00
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-King-McClure........(xx-xx.+xx) (03-03.+00) 03-03 +00
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-McClure-Thomas......(xx-xx.+xx) (00-00.+00) 00-00 +00
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-McClure.........(xx-xx.+xx) (02-02.+00) 02-02 +00
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Thomas..........(xx-xx.+xx) (00-00.+00) 00-00 +00
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Thomas..........(00-00.+00) (02-03.-01) 02-03 -01
Smith-Pocius-Nelson-McClure-Singler..........(xx-xx.+xx) (02-03.-01) 02-03 -01
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-King-Thomas............(00-02.-02) (00-00.+00) 00-02 -02
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Thomas.........(00-02.-02) (02-02.+00) 02-04 -02
Paulus-Nelson-Henderson-King-Singler.........(02-04.-02) (xx-xx.+xx) 02-04 -02
Paulus-Scheyer-Pocius-King-Singler...........(xx-xx.+xx) (00-02.-02) 00-02 -02
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-Thomas-Zoubek.......(xx-xx.+xx) (00-02.-02) 00-02 -02
Paulus-Pocius-Nelson-McClure-Thomas..........(xx-xx.+xx) (01-03.-02) 01-03 -02
Smith-Pocius-Nelson-King-Singler.............(xx-xx.+xx) (00-02.-02) 00-02 -02
Paulus-Scheyer-Pocius-Henderson-Thomas.......(00-03.-03) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-03 -03
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Thomas-Zoubek...........(00-03.-03) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-03 -03
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Zoubek..........(xx-xx.+xx) (04-08.-04) 04-08 -04
Smith-Nelson-Henderson-Singler-Thomas........(00-05.-05) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-05 -05
Smith-Pocius-King-McClure-Zoubek.............(xx-xx.+xx) (03-08.-05) 03-08 -05


Individuals: (NMSU) (Princeton) Overall
Gerald.Henderson.(62-44.+18) (50-17.+33) 112-61 +51
Greg.Paulus......(57-41.+16) (60-34.+26) 117-75 +42
Taylor.King......(34-18.+16) (33-20.+13). 77-38 +39
Jon.Scheyer......(61-37.+24) (46-34.+12) 107-71 +36
Kyle.Singler.....(60-41.+19) (57-41.+16) 117-82 +35
DeMarcus.Nelson..(61-43.+18) (52-41.+11) 113-84 +29
Lance.Thomas.....(37-41.-04) (34-19.+15). 71-60 +11
Nolan.Smith......(29-20.+09) (23-27.-04). 52-47 +05
Brian.Zoubek.....(14-11.+03) (32-31.+01). 46-42 +04
Marty.Pocius.....(15-09.+06) (15-22.-07). 30-31 -01
David.McClure....(xx-xx.+xx) (13-19.-06). 13-19 -06

[pfrduke]

I think I'm doing something wrong on your site. Where do I see this year's games?

I haven't had a chance to put the lineup +/- numbers up yet, mostly because I'm still trying to figure out what to do with it and what the most effective way is to present it (I probably should have made that clearer in my first post). But I do have all of the data; actually, it's a full mini boxscore for each lineup - I'm tracking all the traditional countable facets of the game (scoring, shooting, offensive and defensive rebounding, turnovers, assists, steals, blocks) on a lineup by lineup basis. The player +/- numbers are in the box scores for each game wrap-up. I'm hoping to have some good quality time over the holiday weekend to play around and get a good system in place for gathering and posting the information.

As an aside, if anyone has any experience/sophistication with taking excel spreadsheets and making them dance (so to speak), please PM me - there are some specific things I want my spreadsheets to be able to do, and I have no idea either how to make them do it, or even if they can do it.

[Jumbo]

I haven't had a chance to put the lineup +/- numbers up yet, mostly because I'm still trying to figure out what to do with it and what the most effective way is to present it (I probably should have made that clearer in my first post). But I do have all of the data; actually, it's a full mini boxscore for each lineup - I'm tracking all the traditional countable facets of the game (scoring, shooting, offensive and defensive rebounding, turnovers, assists, steals, blocks) on a lineup by lineup basis. The player +/- numbers are in the box scores for each game wrap-up. I'm hoping to have some good quality time over the holiday weekend to play around and get a good system in place for gathering and posting the information.

As an aside, if anyone has any experience/sophistication with taking excel spreadsheets and making them dance (so to speak), please PM me - there are some specific things I want my spreadsheets to be able to do, and I have no idea either how to make them do it, or even if they can do it.

So am I just duplicating your work?

[pfrduke]

So am I just duplicating your work?

I guess. We are looking at pretty much the same thing.

[StiggyMata]

Right -- although it's a total for lineups that were used more than once.

If I may ask, how do you handle the situation where a substitution is made during a free throw? Let's assume Lance Thomas commits a foul, and the opponent is shooting two. After the first foul shot, Thomas is replaced by Zoubek. The second shot is made, does it count against X-Y-Z-A-Zoubek, or X-Y-Z-A-Thomas?

Suppose a Duke shooter is fouled, and injured?

As an aside, I suspect it is a lot of work, but if you also have time, it might be nice to see how many minutes each combination played.

[pfrduke]

If I may ask, how do you handle the situation where a substitution is made during a free throw? Let's assume Lance Thomas commits a foul, and the opponent is shooting two. After the first foul shot, Thomas is replaced by Zoubek. The second shot is made, does it count against X-Y-Z-A-Zoubek, or X-Y-Z-A-Thomas?

Suppose a Duke shooter is fouled, and injured?

As an aside, I suspect it is a lot of work, but if you also have time, it might be nice to see how many minutes each combination played.

I can't speak for Jumbo, but I would count it as X-Y-Z-A-Thomas. Technically, Zoubek is on the court when the shot is made, but it was game action when Thomas was on the court that resulted in the FT opportunity. This is true regardless of whether Thomas committed the foul - if you change your facts to X commits a foul, and then Zoubek comes in for Thomas, the second FT still counts as X-Y-Z-A-Thomas.

As to your aside, I have information on how many possessions each lineup has played (though not with me at work). The starting lineup (Paulus-Nelson-Henderson-Singler-Thomas) has played the most - I think it's close to 60 possessions over the course of the three games (as a point of reference, Duke has played somewhere in the neighborhood of 225 possessions in its three games). The lineup with the second-most time is the "bench" (Smith-Scheyer-Pocius-King-Zoubek), which has gotten about 40 possessions of PT, to the best of my recollection.

[Indoor66]

Here's the combined numbers from Jumbo's NMSU and Princeton charting posts. Feel free to correct any mistakes I made doing simple math in my head. Jumbo, this is great information thanks so much for posting it. I know you were lovin' it when Scheyer had that +24 margin after the NMSU :D

I'll have to write a Perl script to take that data and make cumulative charts. At least then it'll look like I'm getting some work done!

Lineups (NMSU) (Princeton) Overall
Paulus-Nelson-Henderson-Singler-Thomas.......(16-15.+01) (22-07.+15) 38-22 +16
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Henderson-Singler......(09-02.+07) (xx-xx.+xx) 09-02 +07
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-King-Singler...........(07-02.+05) (02-00.+02) 09-02 +07
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Henderson-Singler.......(07-02.+05) (xx-xx.+xx) 07-02 +05
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Zoubek..........(03-02.+01) (04-00.+04) 07-02 +05
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Thomas.........(xx-xx.+xx) (07-02.+05) 07-02 +05
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Singler.........(xx-xx.+xx) (06-01.+05) 06-01 +05
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-Singler-Thomas......(13-09.+04) (xx-xx.+xx) 13-09 +04
Paulus-Nelson-Henderson-King-Thomas..........(04-00.+04) (xx-xx.+xx) 04-00 +04
Smith-Scheyer-Pocius-Nelson-King.............(06-02.+04) (xx-xx.+xx) 06-02 +04
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Zoubek.........(xx-xx.+xx) (04-00.+04) 04-00 +04
Paulus-Pocius-Nelson-Singler-Zoubek..........(xx-xx.+xx) (07-04.+03) 07-04 +03
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-King-Zoubek.............(05-02.+03) (xx-xx.+xx) 05-02 +03
Paulus-Pocius-Nelson-Henderson-Singler.......(03-00.+03) (xx-xx.+xx) 03-00 +03
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-Singler-Thomas.......(02-00.+02) (xx-xx.+xx) 02-00 +02
Smith-Scheyer-Pocius-King-Zoubek.............(06-04.+02) (xx-xx.+xx) 06-04 +02
Paulus-Pocius-Henderson-King-McClure.........(xx-xx.+xx) (02-00.+02) 02-00 +02
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Singler........(01-00.+01) (xx-xx.+xx) 01-00 +01
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Zoubek.........(xx-xx.+xx) (10-09.+01) 10-09 +01
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Henderson-Zoubek........(00-00.+00) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-00 +00
Paulus-Scheyer-Pocius-Nelson-King............(00-00.+00) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-00 +00
Paulus-Scheyer-Pocius-King-Zoubek............(00-00.+00) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-00 +00
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Henderson-Thomas.......(02-02.+00) (xx-xx.+xx) 02-02 +00
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-King-McClure........(xx-xx.+xx) (03-03.+00) 03-03 +00
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-McClure-Thomas......(xx-xx.+xx) (00-00.+00) 00-00 +00
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-McClure.........(xx-xx.+xx) (02-02.+00) 02-02 +00
Smith-Scheyer-Henderson-King-Thomas..........(xx-xx.+xx) (00-00.+00) 00-00 +00
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Thomas..........(00-00.+00) (02-03.-01) 02-03 -01
Smith-Pocius-Nelson-McClure-Singler..........(xx-xx.+xx) (02-03.-01) 02-03 -01
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-King-Thomas............(00-02.-02) (00-00.+00) 00-02 -02
Paulus-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Thomas.........(00-02.-02) (02-02.+00) 02-04 -02
Paulus-Nelson-Henderson-King-Singler.........(02-04.-02) (xx-xx.+xx) 02-04 -02
Paulus-Scheyer-Pocius-King-Singler...........(xx-xx.+xx) (00-02.-02) 00-02 -02
Paulus-Scheyer-Henderson-Thomas-Zoubek.......(xx-xx.+xx) (00-02.-02) 00-02 -02
Paulus-Pocius-Nelson-McClure-Thomas..........(xx-xx.+xx) (01-03.-02) 01-03 -02
Smith-Pocius-Nelson-King-Singler.............(xx-xx.+xx) (00-02.-02) 00-02 -02
Paulus-Scheyer-Pocius-Henderson-Thomas.......(00-03.-03) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-03 -03
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Thomas-Zoubek...........(00-03.-03) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-03 -03
Smith-Scheyer-Nelson-Singler-Zoubek..........(xx-xx.+xx) (04-08.-04) 04-08 -04
Smith-Nelson-Henderson-Singler-Thomas........(00-05.-05) (xx-xx.+xx) 00-05 -05
Smith-Pocius-King-McClure-Zoubek.............(xx-xx.+xx) (03-08.-05) 03-08 -05


Individuals: (NMSU) (Princeton) Overall
Gerald.Henderson.(62-44.+18) (50-17.+33) 112-61 +51
Greg.Paulus......(57-41.+16) (60-34.+26) 117-75 +42
Taylor.King......(34-18.+16) (33-20.+13). 77-38 +39
Jon.Scheyer......(61-37.+24) (46-34.+12) 107-71 +36
Kyle.Singler.....(60-41.+19) (57-41.+16) 117-82 +35
DeMarcus.Nelson..(61-43.+18) (52-41.+11) 113-84 +29
Lance.Thomas.....(37-41.-04) (34-19.+15). 71-60 +11
Nolan.Smith......(29-20.+09) (23-27.-04). 52-47 +05
Brian.Zoubek.....(14-11.+03) (32-31.+01). 46-42 +04
Marty.Pocius.....(15-09.+06) (15-22.-07). 30-31 -01
David.McClure....(xx-xx.+xx) (13-19.-06). 13-19 -06

What, if any, is the significance of these numbers? The combos play in a nearly constant state of change so I fail to see the significance in snapshot relativity.

[elvis14]

What, if any, is the significance of these numbers? The combos play in a nearly constant state of change so I fail to see the significance in snapshot relativity.

I agree for now. K has used so many lineups and changes and with a sample size from only two games, these numbers don't mean much. If we have these numbers for each game as the season continues, it will mean more and it's something I'd find interesting.

[Jumbo]

I can't speak for Jumbo, but I would count it as X-Y-Z-A-Thomas.

Same.

[StiggyMata]

Same.

That makes sense to me, too.