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Bluedog
03-17-2020, 08:20 PM
Given there's no current basketball action, bask in the glory of one of the best games in the rivalry's history and enjoy Rivers's buzzer beater against the Cheats on ESPN right now! I had lost it when my TiVo went bust, so am recording for future enjoyment.

Stray Gator
03-17-2020, 08:47 PM
Given there's no current basketball action, bask in the glory of one of the best games in the rivalry's history and enjoy Rivers's buzzer beater against the Cheats on ESPN right now! I had lost it when my TiVo went bust, so am recording for future enjoyment.

Or, as posted earlier, you can see that game on ESPNU tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m.

moonpie23
03-17-2020, 09:06 PM
oh no !!! we're behind to the cheats.......who will save us?????

moonpie23
03-17-2020, 09:22 PM
watching this is like james bond with that straight flush in Casino Royale......

loran16
03-17-2020, 09:38 PM
Duke down 11 with 5 minutes or so left. Looks over, we can't stop them or hit any baskets.

arnie
03-17-2020, 09:42 PM
Duke down 11 with 5 minutes or so left. Looks over, we can't stop them or hit any baskets.

Yea as Vitale and Bilas alluded, we just don’t have the talent to stay with em.

Acymetric
03-17-2020, 09:58 PM
Given there's no current basketball action, bask in the glory of one of the best games in the rivalry's history and enjoy Rivers's buzzer beater against the Cheats on ESPN right now! I had lost it when my TiVo went bust, so am recording for future enjoyment.

Must spread sporks, but thanks for the heads up! Caught the last 2:30...which was the best part.

UrinalCake
03-17-2020, 10:02 PM
What a theft!

I have watched the last two minutes of that game dozens of times, but this is the first time since it happened that I watched the whole second half. UNC was completely in control of the game, but could not put us away because they did not hit any threes. The lead stayed at 10-12 points throughout the second half. It was also a choppy game without any flow due to constant fouls. But primarily, we hit 14 threes and they hit 1 so even though they killed us inside and I’m sure their efficiency numbers were great, we still got the W.

UrinalCake
03-17-2020, 10:06 PM
Also the shot of Doc Rivers, Dell and Sonya Curry in absolute jubilation after the final shot is a classic. At the time Doc was the head coach of the Celtics and was preparing to face the Lakers the following day. But in that moment he was just a dad, happy for his son.

rsvman
03-17-2020, 10:07 PM
Epic. Just enjoyed the heck out of it!

CameronBlue
03-17-2020, 10:46 PM
IC in meltdown.

duke79
03-17-2020, 10:56 PM
Also the shot of Doc Rivers, Dell and Sonya Curry in absolute jubilation after the final shot is a classic. At the time Doc was the head coach of the Celtics and was preparing to face the Lakers the following day. But in that moment he was just a dad, happy for his son.

Love that scene of Doc and the others celebrating! Pure parental joy.

devildeac
03-17-2020, 11:09 PM
Wait, y'all watched the whole game?

I saved myself a lot of agony and watched the "condensed" version here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyVKM08KgIU

rsvman
03-17-2020, 11:15 PM
No agony. You'd be amazed at how much more calmly you can look on as your team is getting killed by a team you hate when you know that, in the end, good triumphs over evil. Honestly, it's refreshing.

kako
03-18-2020, 12:00 AM
I stand by my previous post. The Austin Rivers game is the greatest comeback win over Carolina ever... simply because Duke was behind for a long stretch, being outplayed, and on the last shot they ripped the hearts out of the Heels and won the game. This year Jones' miraculous FT miss and shot was beyond amazing, but it only tied the game. The game was tied when Jones passed to Moore (ahem) for the win. We were losing when Rivers put the shot up. We won when the ball game down. This shot tells it all.

10380

9F

moonpie23
03-18-2020, 12:14 AM
the heels deserved that ......they looked good...

Neals384
03-18-2020, 10:48 AM
Down 10 with 2 minutes to go. Are we sure this is the right game🤣

Neals384
03-18-2020, 10:57 AM
I forgot about Zeller’s brilliant tip in.

Neals384
03-18-2020, 10:58 AM
That was nice! What a great celebration

rsvman
03-18-2020, 11:04 AM
I stand by my previous post. The Austin Rivers game is the greatest comeback win over Carolina ever... simply because Duke was behind for a long stretch, being outplayed, and on the last shot they ripped the hearts out of the Heels and won the game. This year Jones' miraculous FT miss and shot was beyond amazing, but it only tied the game. The game was tied when Jones passed to Moore (ahem) for the win. We were losing when Rivers put the shot up. We won when the ball game down. This shot tells it all.

10380

9F

In fact, we never led during the second half. At all. The final buzzer went off before the shot went through the hoop. Doesn't get much better than that.

rsvman
03-18-2020, 11:12 AM
I forgot about Zeller’s brilliant tip in.

How could you forget? After the game somebody (and I apologize for forgetting who) posted one of my all-time favorite posts at DBR. In the post-game thread, he/she posted something like, "Only 2556 more points and Zeller will be Duke's all-time leading scorer." I couldn't stop laughing for a while. It still makes me smile.


What I had forgotten was that Zeller had been on the bench with four fouls, and was only put back into the game at about the 3-minute mark. During the last two minutes he did the following for us:

1) Went to the free throw line for two shots twice. Made one and missed one on both occasions.
2) Scored a basket for us.
3) Switched on the screen so that he was covering Rivers on the perimeter. Afraid of the blow-by, he gave Rivers enough room to shoot the game-winning shot.


All of this leads me to conclude that if Zeller had fouled out instead of being pulled from the game after he got his fourth foul, Carolina would have won. We have Tyler Zeller to thank for the victory.




By the way, during the game there was discussion about whether the two points he scored against us should have been three instead. Kelly took the shot from behind the three-point line and then it was tipped near the rim. Ultimately, the refs decided it should only count for two, but I wondered about it. What if a shot, launched from behind the three-point line, were to bounce off somebody's head inadvertently and go through? Would it score two points or three? Obviously if the shot were to go to one's teammate, a la Tre Jones to Moore at the end of the Carolina game, and be put into the basket by a teammate purposefully, it should count as only two points. But I'm not sure the two scenarios are equivalent.

I was impressed that the refs only thought about it for about 15 seconds, but I'm not entirely sure they came to the correct conclusion.

moonpie23
03-18-2020, 11:44 AM
i was trying to search one of those 360 degrees deep pixel photos of the crowd for this AND the tre jones game.......anyone know where those are kept?

uh_no
03-18-2020, 01:51 PM
By the way, during the game there was discussion about whether the two points he scored against us should have been three instead. Kelly took the shot from behind the three-point line and then it was tipped near the rim. Ultimately, the refs decided it should only count for two, but I wondered about it. What if a shot, launched from behind the three-point line, were to bounce off somebody's head inadvertently and go through? Would it score two points or three? Obviously if the shot were to go to one's teammate, a la Tre Jones to Moore at the end of the Carolina game, and be put into the basket by a teammate purposefully, it should count as only two points. But I'm not sure the two scenarios are equivalent.

I was impressed that the refs only thought about it for about 15 seconds, but I'm not entirely sure they came to the correct conclusion.

1) per the rules, any basket scored for the wrong team is 2 points. so regardless of anything else, it's 2 points.

a. When a player scores a field goal in the opponent’s basket, it shall count
two points for the opponent regardless of the location on the playing
court from where it was released. Such a field goal shall not be credited to
a player in the scorebook but shall be indicated with a footnote

Despite the poor wording of the rule, what zeller did would almost assuredly count as a tap, which is covered in the rulebook:


A tap is a type of try for field goal whereby a player attempts to score
two or three points by directing a live ball into his team’s basket with his hands
or fingers without the ball coming to rest in his hand(s).

And despite the lack of coverage of a tap at an opponents basket, such an interpretation would be justified by the "scoring for the opponent" combined with the tap rule. Now, a partial block at the perimeter? I think I could go either way on that one....and not sure how it has been interpreted.

Someone's HEAD would be interesting, as the rulebook is quite consistent about a try coming from ones hand.

So despite the Zeller situation being pretty clear WRT to the rules, your other question is an interesting scenario.

mattyoung18
03-18-2020, 02:05 PM
I love Christian Laettner comes on ESPN at 730

mattyoung18
03-18-2020, 02:10 PM
The cheats got punished on the floor instead of the classroom or the rafters.Cheats meet Austin and Tre for 3 Alex.

UrinalCake
03-18-2020, 02:10 PM
1) per the rules, any basket scored for the wrong team is 2 points. so regardless of anything else, it's 2 points.

During the broadcast they said that if the ball was projected to go in and then Zeller tipped it and it still went in, then that would count for three. But since the ball was NOT going to go in, it only counted as a two. I think the first scenario would essentially be a goaltend. They got the call right IMO. I also think that Mason was probably shoving Zeller in the back a little, but there were plenty of calls that were let go all night.

killerleft
03-18-2020, 04:35 PM
1) per the rules, any basket scored for the wrong team is 2 points. so regardless of anything else, it's 2 points.


Despite the poor wording of the rule, what zeller did would almost assuredly count as a tap, which is covered in the rulebook:



And despite the lack of coverage of a tap at an opponents basket, such an interpretation would be justified by the "scoring for the opponent" combined with the tap rule. Now, a partial block at the perimeter? I think I could go either way on that one...and not sure how it has been interpreted.

Someone's HEAD would be interesting, as the rulebook is quite consistent about a try coming from ones hand.

So despite the Zeller situation being pretty clear WRT to the rules, your other question is an interesting scenario.

I kept waiting for Cassius to dunk one that way.:D Please come back, Mr. Stanley. The Old Noggin Dunk would be a great tool in your toolbox.:)

-jk
03-18-2020, 04:57 PM
During the broadcast they said that if the ball was projected to go in and then Zeller tipped it and it still went in, then that would count for three. But since the ball was NOT going to go in, it only counted as a two. I think the first scenario would essentially be a goaltend. They got the call right IMO. I also think that Mason was probably shoving Zeller in the back a little, but there were plenty of calls that were let go all night.

Goal tending/basket interference would have been a violation, with the basket counting as a 3.

-jk

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
03-18-2020, 04:59 PM
It sure would be nice if CBS were to do what the NBA and NFL have recently done and open up their vault for streaming. We could turn the 1991 NCAA Tourney thread into a live watch party with DBR chat.

uh_no
03-18-2020, 05:02 PM
During the broadcast they said that if the ball was projected to go in and then Zeller tipped it and it still went in, then that would count for three. But since the ball was NOT going to go in, it only counted as a two. I think the first scenario would essentially be a goaltend. They got the call right IMO. I also think that Mason was probably shoving Zeller in the back a little, but there were plenty of calls that were let go all night.

You're correct, in which case the fact that the ball went in would be irrelevant.