ACC Tourney

[gofurman]

Its already set as to who gets what bye. VSurprising as usually this is not set so early. None of the bottom 6 can catch the next 5.. none of 5 can catch top teams either.
Top teams w double bye set
Louisville 15-4
Florida State 14-4
Duke 13-5
Virginia 13-5

One day bye and play on Wed are set too:
NC State 9-9
Notre Dame 9-9
Syracuse 9-9
Clemson 9-9
Georgia Tech 9-9

The bottom 6 (first day play on Tue) are set as (( order is not set but these are the teams):
Boston College 7-11
Virginia Tech 6-12
Miami 6-12
Wake Forest 6-12
Pittsburgh 6-13
North Carolina 5-13

[BlueDevil2K]

I was going to try to figure this out, but it appears that you already have...with two wins, BC still can't catch any of the five at 9-9 due to tiebreakers?

[gofurman]

I was going to try to figure this out, but it appears that you already have...with two wins, BC still can't catch any of the five at 9-9 due to tiebreakers?

Ah, you got me... didn't see that. That may be the exception

[arnie]

I was going to try to figure this out, but it appears that you already have...with two wins, BC still can't catch any of the five at 9-9 due to tiebreakers?

I think he saw BC playing at FSU this coming weekend. That’s better than some ole tiebreaker 😀 - BC will not go 9-9.

[CDu]

I was going to try to figure this out, but it appears that you already have...with two wins, BC still can't catch any of the five at 9-9 due to tiebreakers?


Ah, you got me... didn't see that. That may be the exception

BC would have the tiebreaker over State and Notre Dame at 9-11.

[duke2x]

http://bball.notnothing.net/acc.php?sport=mbb

This is a very useful toy in a 15 team league, particularly this week.

[Tripping William]

Has a final decision been made about whether GT gets to participate in the postseason?

[pfrduke]

With Louisville getting to 15-4, Duke is eliminated in contention for the 1-seed. Duke loses all possible tiebreakers with 15-5 teams.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

With Louisville getting to 15-4, Duke is eliminated in contention for the 1-seed. Duke loses all possible tiebreakers with 15-5 teams.

Is that technically true? We certainly have a tie-breaker over FSU. Is there not a scenario in which that is relevant?

[Reddevil]

Is that technically true? We certainly have a tie-breaker over FSU. Is there not a scenario in which that is relevant?

Yeah, if all three are 15-5:

Louisville 1-0 against Duke
FL State 2-0 against Louisville
Duke 1-0 against FL State

So what happens?

FL State 2-1
Duke 1-1
L'ville 1-2

[Tripping William]

Yeah, if all three are 15-5:

Louisville 1-0 against Duke
FL State 2-0 against Louisville
Duke 2-0 against FL State

So what happens?

Duke will only be 1-0 vs. FSU, and 0-1 vs. Louisville, for 1-1 overall. So FSU wins by virtue of its 2-1 combined record against Duke/Louisville, with Duke second and Louisville third.

And, of course, this scenario assumes a UVa loss to Miami and a UVa victory over Louisville.

[OldPhiKap]

Has a final decision been made about whether GT gets to participate in the postseason?

I don't think so.

[hallcity]

Duke will only be 1-0 vs. FSU, and 0-1 vs. Louisville, for 1-1 overall. So FSU wins by virtue of its 2-1 combined record against Duke/Louisville, with Duke second and Louisville third.

And, of course, this scenario assumes a UVa loss to Miami and a UVa victory over Louisville.

No. In the scenario you lay out, Duke gets the 3 seed. FSU gets the 1 seed since they have the superior record among the three. After that it's between Duke and Louisville for the 2 seed. Louisville gets the 2 seed because of the head to head record.

[Tripping William]

No. In the scenario you lay out, Duke gets the 3 seed. FSU gets the 1 seed since they have the superior record among the three. After that it's between Duke and Louisville for the 2 seed. Louisville gets the 2 seed because of the head to head record.

Ahh. Gotcha.

[pfrduke]

No. In the scenario you lay out, Duke gets the 3 seed. FSU gets the 1 seed since they have the superior record among the three. After that it's between Duke and Louisville for the 2 seed. Louisville gets the 2 seed because of the head to head record.

I don't think that's right. I think they do head-to-head among all 3 and rank them. FSU 2-1, then Duke 1-1, then Louisville 1-2. They don't do the tiebreakers separately for each slot. They only go to separate tiebreakers if the head-to-head doesn't break the tie.

[DU82]

They first look at the record against the group tied, and then once a team gets the top spot, they go to another tiebreaker for the second spot. If there’s three (out of four originally), it’s the same three-way record. If it’s two (out of three originally) then it’s head-to-head for just those two.

[hallcity]

I don't think that's right. I think they do head-to-head among all 3 and rank them. FSU 2-1, then Duke 1-1, then Louisville 1-2. They don't do the tiebreakers separately for each slot. They only go to separate tiebreakers if the head-to-head doesn't break the tie.

See the following rules.
http://theacc.com/sports/2017/12/15/MBB_1215171609.aspx

Note the language: "If two teams remain tied, procedures (a) and (b) will be followed", that is, once you determine the top team, compare just the remaining two teams.

[uh_no]

See the following rules.
http://theacc.com/sports/2017/12/15/MBB_1215171609.aspx

Note the language: "If two teams remain tied, procedures (a) and (b) will be followed", that is, once you determine the top team, compare just the remaining two teams.

that only applies if two teams remain tired in a three way tiebreaker AFTER earlier tiebreak procedures are applied.... hence "remain tied"

this differs from, say, nfl tiebreak procedures.

[DarkstarWahoo]

Is Georgia Tech playing in the ACCT? I haven't seen a certain answer in either direction.

[OldPhiKap]

Is Georgia Tech playing in the ACCT? I haven't seen a certain answer in either direction.

AFAIK the NCAA in its infinite wisdom has yet to rule on GT's appeal. I do not know whether, absent that, they are in or out though given that "the original ruling on the field" was to suspend. (i.e. does the appeal act as a supersedeas of the ban?)

[uh_no]

AFAIK the NCAA in its infinite wisdom has yet to rule on GT's appeal. I do not know whether, absent that, they are in or out though given that "the original ruling on the field" was to suspend. (i.e. does the appeal act as a supersedeas of the ban?)

my understanding is that the appeal stays the ban.

[OldPhiKap]

my understanding is that the appeal stays the ban.

thanks.

And I am hoping I am wrong about the NCAA still having not ruled, because it would be a miscarriage of justice for them to take this darn long.

Oh wait, we're talking about the NCAA.

so . . . whatever.

[UrinalCake]

Yeah, if all three are 15-5:

Louisville 1-0 against Duke
FL State 2-0 against Louisville
Duke 1-0 against FL State

So what happens?

Shouldn’t we be considering Virginia in these scenarios? If all three teams are 15-5 then that means UVA beat Louisville and are likely also 15-5.

[brevity]

thanks.

And I am hoping I am wrong about the NCAA still having not ruled, because it would be a miscarriage of justice for them to take this darn long.

Oh wait, we're talking about the NCAA.

so . . . whatever.

We want Georgia Tech in the ACC Tournament field. It could be the difference between UNC getting the 15 seed (of 15 teams) and the 14 seed (of 14 teams).

Eyes on the prize, people.

[CDu]

Shouldn’t we be considering Virginia in these scenarios? If all three teams are 15-5 then that means UVA beat Louisville and are likely also 15-5.

Yes, the only way that Louisville ends up 15-5 is if UVa beats them. And UVa has only a game against Miami left otherwise.

[pfrduke]

Shouldn’t we be considering Virginia in these scenarios? If all three teams are 15-5 then that means UVA beat Louisville and are likely also 15-5.

Virginia and Florida State are both 3-2 in the head-to-head and which team gets 1 vs. 2 depends on which team/teams end up in the 5 (or tied for 5 - the tiebreaker looks at all teams with equal records). Louisville would be #3 and Duke #4.

[MarkD83]

Virginia and Florida State are both 3-2 in the head-to-head and which team gets 1 vs. 2 depends on which team/teams end up in the 5 (or tied for 5 - the tiebreaker looks at all teams with equal records). Louisville would be #3 and Duke #4.

So the irony of this scenario is perhaps UVA is 1; FSU is 2; Louis. is 3 and Duke 4. We have worried for the past month how to avoid FSU and Louis in the semis and the answer is for UVA to get the top seed.

[Bob Green]

Georgia Tech is out of the ACCT:

http://theacc.com/news/2020/3/2/gt-withdraws-appeal-of-mens-basketballs-ncaa-competition-penalty.aspx

[Music man55]

We want Georgia Tech in the ACC Tournament field. It could be the difference between UNC getting the 15 seed (of 15 teams) and the 14 seed (of 14 teams).

Eyes on the prize, people.

Just found out per ESPN, Ga. Tech withdrew their appeal, and will not play in acc tourney. So OK,does that mean that there will only be two games on Tuesday? If so, then a couple of teams will get a break,not having to play that Tuesday game. I sincerely hope that the cheats finish at the bottom enough so they are forced to play Tuesday. A lot is going to hinge on these final two games for the teams in the acc, including the bottom feeders.

[UrinalCake]

So the irony of this scenario is perhaps UVA is 1; FSU is 2; Louis. is 3 and Duke 4. We have worried for the past month how to avoid FSU and Louis in the semis and the answer is for UVA to get the top seed.

I thought about that too. Although at this point any of the three are equally dangerous.

[UrinalCake]

I thought about that too. Although at this point any of the three are equally dangerous.

The other advantage of playing from the #4 spot is you get to play in the earlier half of the bracket.

[gofurman]

Just found out per ESPN, Ga. Tech withdrew their appeal, and will not play in acc tourney. So OK,does that mean that there will only be two games on Tuesday? If so, then a couple of teams will get a break,not having to play that Tuesday game. I sincerely hope that the cheats finish at the bottom enough so they are forced to play Tuesday. A lot is going to hinge on these final two games for the teams in the acc, including the bottom feeders.

So I assume instead of 10-15 playing Tue that 11-14 now play Tue .. and instead of 8/9 pre-set for Wed both 8/9 and now 7/10 get a bye to Wed and are pre-set games. 5 seed will wait in 12/13 winner Wed. And 6 seed waits on 11/14 winner. So this all means 10 seed gets a one day bye this yr

Sound right?


Day one
12/13
11/14

Day 2
7/10
8/9
5 vs 12/13 winner
6 vs 11/14 winner

Day 3
1 v 8/9
2 v 7/10
3 v 6/11/14
4 v 5/12/13

[weezie]

Is Georgia Tech playing in the ACCT? I haven't seen a certain answer in either direction.

No. Unless I read that ESPN ticker wrong they aren't doing any post season stuff

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

No. Unless I read that ESPN ticker wrong they aren't doing any post season stuff

Confirmed they have lifted their appeal.

[sagegrouse]

Georgia Tech is out of the ACCT:

http://theacc.com/news/2020/3/2/gt-withdraws-appeal-of-mens-basketballs-ncaa-competition-penalty.aspx


No. Unless I read that ESPN ticker wrong they aren't doing any post season stuff


Confirmed they have lifted their appeal.

so what does that mean for the ACC bracket? We have 14 teams -- so what happens on days 1 and 2?

[Wahoo2000]

so what does that mean for the ACC bracket? We have 14 teams -- so what happens on days 1 and 2?

Bracket is exactly the same excepting the 10 seed gets a bye in the first round

[OldPhiKap]

so what happens on days 1 and 2?

Does Les Robinson still throw out the first pitch or something?

[Tripping William]

Does Les Robinson still throw out the first pitch or something?

"Must spread comments around . . . . . . "

[jjasper0729]

so what does that mean for the ACC bracket? We have 14 teams -- so what happens on days 1 and 2?

ACC Tournament (https://theacc.com/sports/2018/1/12/2017-18-new-york-life-acc-tournament.aspx)

there will be two games on day one instead of three, starting at 4:30 and then at 7.

the #10 seed doesn't have to play on Tuesday and gets to go straight to Wednesday

[UrinalCake]

Looks like BC’s loss pushed them out of contention to move into the single bye group [EDIT: that’s totally wrong, forget so said that]. Also, what I read a couple days ago is that if UNC wins out while VT, Miami, Pitt and Wake all lose out then UNC would move into the #10 spot and earn a single bye. Unlikely but still something to watch.

[devildeac]

Looks like BC’s loss pushed them out of contention to move into the single bye group. Also, what I read a couple days ago is that if UNC wins out while VT, Miami, Pitt and Wake all lose out then UNC would move into the #10 spot and earn a single bye. Unlikely but still something to watch.

Please delete this post so the acc office doesn't get any brilliant ideas.

(kidding, mostly)

[Truth&Justise]

As good a time as any to re-post MRed's ACC Tournament Bracket Generator (http://bball.notnothing.net/acc.php?sport=mbb). See the impact of every remaining game on the bracket.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

ACC Tournament (https://theacc.com/sports/2018/1/12/2017-18-new-york-life-acc-tournament.aspx)

there will be two games on day one instead of three, starting at 4:30 and then at 7.

the #10 seed doesn't have to play on Tuesday and gets to go straight to Wednesday

Since there is one fewer game I assume ticket holders will be getting a small refund (insert sarcasm tag).

[duke2x]

Errors are likely--quick look for Duke's seed next week:

1/8 chance of 2 seed (Duke, Louisville, BC win)
1/8 chance of 3 seed (Duke, Louisville, FSU win)
6/8 chance of 4 seed (all others)

BC must win for Duke to be "regular season co-champs"

[goduke03861]

Errors are likely for Duke's seed next week:

1/8 chance of 2 seed (Duke, Louisville, FSU win)
1/8 chance of 3 seed (Duke, Louisville, BC win)
6/8 chance of 4 seed (all others)

BC must win for Duke to be "regular season co-champs"

I think Duke can only be the 3 or 4 seed after tonight's results.

[duke2x]

I think Duke can only be the 3 or 4 seed after tonight's results.

I warned you I might make errors. ;) Louisville (16-4) and Duke/FSU tie (15-5) makes us the 2 seed by beating them at home.

[gofurman]

Looks like BC’s loss pushed them out of contention to move into the single bye group [EDIT: that’s totally wrong, forget so said that]. Also, what I read a couple days ago is that if UNC wins out while VT, Miami, Pitt and Wake all lose out then UNC would move into the #10 spot and earn a single bye. Unlikely but still something to watch.

So VT winnin' tonight assures UNC is playing on the first day?

[duke2x]

So VT winnin' tonight assures UNC is playing on the first day?

I think I've tried them all, and I can't find one. There are a lot of #11 seed options for them, but no #10. Single byes are mostly combinations of BC, VT, and Miami. There are not a lot of #14 seed options as much as we want them.

[Music man55]

The way it looks to me is by Va. Tech winning over Clemson last night, that puts the cheats in the Tuesday game of acc tourney. Even if the cheats beat Duke sat.(which I firmly believe will not happen) the cheats will not own the tie breaker against BC or Va.Tech by virtue of losing to both of them this year.Miami is the only team the cheats have the tie-breaker over. Thank you Hokies for sending the cheats to the Tuesday game! At least, I'm pretty sure this is the case now. Someone correct me if this is not correct.

[duke2x]

Math errors are likely, but what I think we know with 3 minutes to go in the UVA game.

7 ND
8 Clemson
UNC is locked in the 11-14 game. The jerseys they wear depend on our game. Turn 'em blue, and 9F.

[Tripping William]

Duke locked-in at the 4. Meaning the 2nd game in Thursday’s afternoon session. I’m down with that.

[duke2x]

The mid-afternoon game is not favorable to my schedule.

UNC is getting the perfect bracket to make a run. Keep your buckets or airline bags handy if you watch this all week.

Day #1: Pitt (Duke win) or VT (UNC win). Pitt is slumping since they swept UNC in January.
Day #2: Syracuse (probably playing the worst of the single byes)
Day #3: Louisville (probably playing the worst of the double byes)

Duke's pod or path:
Day #1: VT/Wake (Duke win) or Wake/Pitt (UNC win).
Day #2: NCSU v. 12/13 winner
Day #3: Duke v. Day 2
Day #4: If Duke wins, FSU or Clemson/Miami winner

[Indoor66]

The mid-afternoon game is not favorable to my schedule.

UNC is getting the perfect bracket to make a run. Keep your buckets or airline bags handy if you watch this all week.

Day #1: Pitt (Duke win) or VT (UNC win). Pitt is slumping since they swept UNC in January.
Day #2: Syracuse (probably playing the worst of the single byes)
Day #3: Louisville (probably playing the worst of the double byes)

Duke's pod or path:
Day #1: VT/Wake (Duke win) or Wake/Pitt (UNC win).
Day #2: NCSU v. 12/13 winner
Day #3: Duke v. Day 2
Day #4: If Duke wins, FSU or Clemson/Miami winner

What does all of that mean????

[BD80]

What does all of that mean????

I'm glad I'm not alone. I can read hieroglyphs and most computer code languages, but this had me stumped.

[duke2x]

What does all of that mean????

https://theacc.com/news/2020/3/7/mens-basketball-bracket-set-for-2020-new-york-life-acc-tournament.aspx

Duke at 2:30 PM (but this is often closer to 3:00), 7:00 PM, and 8:30 PM.

[kako]

Not excited to play Wake, State or Pitt. Wake or Pitt would have 2 games under their belt. State would have one win. I guess of the 3, I'd pick playing Pitt... I say that as I acknowledge the top 3 seeds would pose a bigger challenge. It's just that I'd rather have played any of the other lower seeds than Wake or State. Just a feeling. Duke better come out hungry - that will be the key to the game.

9F

[sagegrouse]

Not excited to play Wake, State or Pitt. Wake or Pitt would have 2 games under their belt. State would have one win. I guess of the 3, I'd pick playing Pitt... I say that as I acknowledge the top 3 seeds would pose a bigger challenge. It's just that I'd rather have played any of the other lower seeds than Wake or State. Just a feeling. Duke better come out hungry - that will be the key to the game.

9F

I would be delighted for a fresh Duke team to play Wake or Pitt after either had played two games in two days. Lots of heavy legs taking the court on Friday afternoon.

[kako]

I would be delighted for a fresh Duke team to play Wake or Pitt after either had played two games in two days. Lots of heavy legs taking the court on Friday afternoon.

I think that they would play loose with nothing to lose, as well as confidence with a winning streak. If Duke doesn't start out strong, it could be an ugly fight. The key will be to come out strong early and stomp them like a bug.

9F

[duke2x]

"Never count on State to do anything right." --Unknown opposing fan

When you want NCSU to beat UNC and they should, they get swept. When you want Duke to sweep them, we deservedly had Coach K's worst loss to an unranked team. The ultimate worst case of this scenario is NCSU to beat us, end up the overall #1 in the NIT, and keep us on the 3 line with a #6 NET ranking.

[DavidBenAkiva]

KenPom posted the ACC Tourney odds, and it looks favorable to Duke

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESjQBkLUYAAV7nx?format=png&name=medium

[gofurman]

"Never count on State to do anything right." --Unknown opposing fan

When you want NCSU to beat UNC and they should, they get swept. When you want Duke to sweep them, we deservedly had Coach K's worst loss to an unranked team. The ultimate worst case of this scenario is NCSU to beat us, end up the overall #1 in the NIT, and keep us on the 3 line with a #6 NET ranking.

Anyone but State. Though we know Zone..

[Bob Green]

I would be delighted for a fresh Duke team to play Wake or Pitt after either had played two games in two days. Lots of heavy legs taking the court on Friday afternoon.

Duke will play State/Wake/Pitt on Thursday afternoon.

[Troublemaker]

The bracket:

https://i.imgur.com/winhzsw.png

[Troublemaker]

Decent bracket for Duke. If both m2m and zone are in Coach K's holster, I'm not that concerned about NCSU.

FSU must feel like they're due against us and will be sky high in the semifinals if that game occurs. (Remember, last season we had the Reddish buzzer-beater at FSU and then we beat them in the ACC championship game). But, because they couldn't get it done against Duke after our quick turnaround following the emotional double buzzer-beater comeback against UNC, I'm wondering if we just match up well against this team.

UNC has a relative cakewalk to the QF, but their season should (should!) end there.

[Indoor66]

Not excited to play Wake, State or Pitt. Wake or Pitt would have 2 games under their belt. State would have one win. I guess of the 3, I'd pick playing Pitt... I say that as I acknowledge the top 3 seeds would pose a bigger challenge. It's just that I'd rather have played any of the other lower seeds than Wake or State. Just a feeling. Duke better come out hungry - that will be the key to the game.

9F

At least I got a night's sleep with a good feeling about BB. I guess it is now time to obsess about how good our opponents will be and how poorly we will play...:mad::confused:

[UrinalCake]

That Wake loss still stings, as we had a golden opportunity to capture the #1 seed. But regardless, we’re playing better now and that’s all that matters. Even though playing in the first session is harder for us as fans, I do like having the extra rest if we were to get through to the finals. Of the other top 3 teams, FSU is the o OT one that we’ve beaten so I’ll take that as a positive (even though it could be seen as a negative from the “revenge factor” perspective).

First things first though, gotta win that first game.

[budwom]

100% chance of winning the quarterfinals? Why bother playing? Seems just a tad high...

[lotusland]

Its already set as to who gets what bye. VSurprising as usually this is not set so early. None of the bottom 6 can catch the next 5.. none of 5 can catch top teams either.
Top teams w double bye set
Louisville 15-4
Florida State 14-4
Duke 13-5
Virginia 13-5

One day bye and play on Wed are set too:
NC State 9-9
Notre Dame 9-9
Syracuse 9-9
Clemson 9-9
Georgia Tech 9-9

The bottom 6 (first day play on Tue) are set as (( order is not set but these are the teams):
Boston College 7-11
Virginia Tech 6-12
Miami 6-12
Wake Forest 6-12
Pittsburgh 6-13
North Carolina 5-13

Why did Louisville, BC and Pitt play an extra conference game? Is that normal?

[Tripping William]

Why did Louisville, BC and Pitt play an extra conference game? Is that normal?

Everyone ended up playing a 20-game schedule. This info was nearly a week old by the time you quoted it.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Why did Louisville, BC and Pitt play an extra conference game? Is that normal?

Everyone has played 20 games.

[wsb3]

At least I got a night's sleep with a good feeling about BB. I guess it is now time to obsess about how good our opponents will be and how poorly we will play...:mad::confused:

No, Indoor. I am going to enjoy the sweep of the Cheats all day & evening. Tomorrow I will return to obsessing. :)

[DavidBenAkiva]

100% chance of winning the quarterfinals? Why bother playing? Seems just a tad high...

I am not sure if you are joking, so I'll point out that KenPom is rating the probability of each team reaching that round. Duke got the double-bye, and so is guaranteed of playing in the quarterfinals.

[DavidBenAkiva]

I was sort of hoping that Duke got the 4 seed once it was clear FSU was going to get the 1 seed. Be careful what you wish for, right?

The draw is not bad for Duke.

It would not shock me if Pitt knocked off NC State. The two teams played in Raleigh on Saturday, February 29th in a game the Wolfpack trailed by 6 with under 8 minutes remaining. If NC State does survive Wednesday, I expect the matchup against Duke to favor the Blue Devils yet again. Manny Bates has had a ton of trouble matching up with Vernon Carey, Jr., which negates one of the Wolfpack's big weapons. And as long as Markell Johnson and Devon Daniels aren't shooting the ball with other worldly accuracy, Duke showed that it can effectively employ a zone.

I also think Duke matches up with FSU better than they do Louisville and Virginia. FSU can certainly beat Duke, but they lack the interior length and play to blunt Carey. The emergence of Justin Robinson is an interesting wrinkle, too. Matthew Hurt had a good game against the Noles. Robinson can do a lot of what Hurt does but seems more confident and able to repeat the performance. So long as Tre Jones and the team limits turnovers, I think Duke can take FSU on a neutral court.

After that, your guess is as good as mine. I do like that Robinson is sort of an ace in the hole for Duke. He's playing so well that teams have to game plan for him. But none of the other top teams have played against him much at all.

[Wahoo2000]

I was sort of hoping that Duke got the 4 seed once it was clear FSU was going to get the 1 seed. Be careful what you wish for, right?

The draw is not bad for Duke.

It would not shock me if Pitt knocked off NC State. The two teams played in Raleigh on Saturday, February 29th in a game the Wolfpack trailed by 6 with under 8 minutes remaining. If NC State does survive Wednesday, I expect the matchup against Duke to favor the Blue Devils yet again. Manny Bates has had a ton of trouble matching up with Vernon Carey, Jr., which negates one of the Wolfpack's big weapons. And as long as Markell Johnson and Devon Daniels aren't shooting the ball with other worldly accuracy, Duke showed that it can effectively employ a zone.

I also think Duke matches up with FSU better than they do Louisville and Virginia. FSU can certainly beat Duke, but they lack the interior length and play to blunt Carey. The emergence of Justin Robinson is an interesting wrinkle, too. Matthew Hurt had a good game against the Noles. Robinson can do a lot of what Hurt does but seems more confident and able to repeat the performance. So long as Tre Jones and the team limits turnovers, I think Duke can take FSU on a neutral court.

After that, your guess is as good as mine. I do like that Robinson is sort of an ace in the hole for Duke. He's playing so well that teams have to game plan for him. But none of the other top teams have played against him much at all.

I wouldn't discount "good Clemson" showing up on Thursday either. They've shown they're more than capable of knocking off the big boys - if they get off to a good start due to playing the day prior, and FSU starts slow due to time off/pressure/etc.... I'd still probably take FSU giving the points in that matchup (I'd guess about 8 points), I'm just saying I'd be far from shocking if they beat a team they just beat last week at home.

Aside from Notre Dame, Clemson is the team outside the top 4 I see with the best chance of making the semis.

[budwom]

I am not sure if you are joking, so I'll point out that KenPom is rating the probability of each team reaching that round. Duke got the double-bye, and so is guaranteed of playing in the quarterfinals.

Did you omit any of the words that go with that chart? I ask because, no, I could not tell that it meant those were the odds of making "that round."

OK, so maybe I'm having a brain cramp, but when I look at the championship round, it looks to me like the sum of all the chances of making that round is only 100%....but don't we need two teams in the championship game?

[Troublemaker]

Did you omit any of the words that go with that chart? I ask because, no, I could not tell that it meant those were the odds of making "that round."

OK, so maybe I'm having a brain cramp, but when I look at the championship round, it looks to me like the sum of all the chances of making that round is only 100%...but don't we need two teams in the championship game?

The column labeled "Final" contains the odds to make the final, which should add up to 200 as you noted. The column labeled "Champ" contains the odds to win the championship, which should add up to 100.

[arnie]

Did you omit any of the words that go with that chart? I ask because, no, I could not tell that it meant those were the odds of making "that round."

OK, so maybe I'm having a brain cramp, but when I look at the championship round, it looks to me like the sum of all the chances of making that round is only 100%...but don't we need two teams in the championship game?

Maybe Budworm celebrated a bit much at the bonfire last night😏

[devildeac]

Maybe Budworm celebrated a bit much at the bonfire last night😏

Considering the temperatures in which budwom resides, he reportedly has a bonfire every night.

;)

[budwom]

Maybe Budworm celebrated a bit much at the bonfire last night😏

I burned a bench and felt pretty good until I realized it was in my living room.

[Wahoo2000]

I burned a bench and felt pretty good until I realized it was in my living room.

Did you pay the Terp fanbase the necessary licensing fee?

[devildeac]

Considering the temperatures in which budwom resides, he reportedly has a bonfire every night.

;)


I burned a bench and felt pretty good until I realized it was in my living room.

No surprise here...

:rolleyes:

[devildeac]

Did you pay the Terp fanbase the necessary licensing fee?

Funny, but they don't waste their mindless time on the small stuff, they move right on to automobiles, though I guess they could use benches as kindling. Good golly, I don't miss their foul, cretinoid fan base. Maybe we shoulda convinced them the Cavaliers were their rivals...

:D

[DUKIE V(A)]

That Wake loss still stings, as we had a golden opportunity to capture the #1 seed. But regardless, we’re playing better now and that’s all that matters. Even though playing in the first session is harder for us as fans, I do like having the extra rest if we were to get through to the finals. Of the other top 3 teams, FSU is the o OT one that we’ve beaten so I’ll take that as a positive (even though it could be seen as a negative from the “revenge factor” perspective).

First things first though, gotta win that first game.

Indeed on the Wake loss still stinging, but this game was the one where JROB emerged as a rotation player (and kept UNC in last place). Hopefully, we can all laugh about it later after JROB contributes to ACC and NCAA Titles.

[budwom]

Did you pay the Terp fanbase the necessary licensing fee?

My wife and I are thinking about getting a new couch so I think there may have been some subconscious factors at work....as far as the Terps are concerned, had the fire dept. been required, I would have pelted them with my
Costco cache of D-cell batteries, those things hurt!

[BD80]

I burned a bench and felt pretty good until I realized it was in my living room.


Did you pay the Terp fanbase the necessary licensing fee?


You don't have to pay terp fans, just tell them you're a Dukie and they'll throw bottles of water at you!