This Week in the ACC - 1/20-1/26

[pfrduke]

Louisville, FSU, and Duke remain clear of the rest of the field, although the Devils fell back toward the pack (and the Pack, who had a nice week) a bit. The rest of the standings are starting to normalize - no longer is one of the worst teams in the league toward the top of the conference. Every team with a winning record in conference play has an overall rating better than every team with a losing record.

Monday
[44]Virginia (4-3) (-3) hosts [46]NC State (4-3) (7:00, ESPN)

Tuesday
[81]Clemson (3-4) (-6) hosts [107]Wake Forest (2-5) (8:00, ACCN)
[2]Duke (5-2) (-19) hosts [97]Miami (2-5) (9:00, ESPN)

Wednesday
[61]Notre Dame (2-4) (-3) hosts [52]Syracuse (4-3) (7:00, ESPN2)
[6]Louisville (6-1) (-14) hosts [89]Georgia Tech (3-5) (7:00, ACCNX)
[55]Virginia Tech (4-3) (-7) hosts [91]North Carolina (1-5) (8:00, ACCN)
[67]Pittsburgh (3-4) (-11) hosts [179]Boston College (3-4) (9:00, ACCNX)

Thursday and Friday are dark

Saturday
[91]North Carolina (1-5) (-4) hosts [97]Miami (2-5) (12:00, TBD)
[52]Syracuse (4-3) (-5) hosts [67]Pittsburgh (3-4) (12:00, ACCN)
[6]Louisville (6-1) (-13) hosts [81]Clemson (3-4) (2:00, ACCNX)
[179]Boston College (3-4) (+6) hosts [55]Virginia Tech (4-3) (2:00, ESPN2/ESPNU)
[89]Georgia Tech (3-5) (+1) hosts [46]NC State (4-3) (4:00, ACCNX)
[16]Florida State (6-1) (-10) hosts [61]Notre Dame (2-4) (8:00, ACCN)

Sunday
[107]Wake Forest (2-5) (+2) hosts [44]Virginia (4-3) (12:00, ACCN)

ACC Non-Conference: 119-41
ACC vs. Power 5: 23-26

Efficiency Margin in Conference Play:
Duke - +22.4
Florida State - +12.6
Syracuse - +11.0
Louisville - +10.0
Virginia - +8.0
NC State - +2.2
Virginia Tech - -1.5
Pittsburgh - -2.4
Clemson - -3.2
Notre Dame - -3.6
Georgia Tech - -5.4
North Carolina - -8.7
Wake Forest - -9.0
Miami - -14.2
Boston College - -17.9

[devildeac]

Wednesday, we will all be turkeys. Well, most of us on DBR will be anyway. ;)

[PackMan97]

Injuries have taken a toll this year.

[BD80]

Wednesday, we will all be turkeys. Well, most of us on DBR will be anyway. ;)

Gobble the heels?

[PackMan97]

State is 3-0 in the ACC this season when playing with a full compliment of players. Unfortunately, they will be without Manny Bates and Pat Andre.

Hates took an unintentional elbow to the neck and Andre did something to his foot/ankle.

[devildeac]

NCSU well on their way to gacking this one up having not scored in about 6 minutes and seeing an 11 point lead cut to 3 :eek:.

[robed deity]

That call on Funderburk was awful.

[Tripping William]

Tonight was the night the lights went out in C’ville.

[Ultrarunner]

That call on Funderburk was awful.

Foul calls have been wildly inconsistent this year. Really tough for players to adapt to.

[arnie]

That call on Funderburk was awful.

Don’t know what’s worse, ACC officiating or State composure.

[devildeac]

That call on Funderburk was awful.

I'm not watching but it looked like he picked up 2 PF and a T in < 30 seconds, reaching the college limit of 5 fouls in one game. :eek:

[Ultrarunner]

Tonight was the night the lights went out in C’ville.

I thought the lights were supposed to go out when the visiting team had the ball.
Bill Cosby had a joke about that, decades ago.

[devildeac]

Don’t know what’s worse, ACC officiating or State composure.

We'll call it a draw.

[devildeac]

No NCSU points in >9.5 minutes now, being outscored 15-0 in that time. Amazing.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

This replay stuff is out of hand.

[arnie]

This replay stuff is out of hand.

As is Bilas commentary

[robed deity]

Tried to give it away, but big win for State.

[CameronDuke]

NCSU wins 53-51 at UVa.

UVa falls to 12-6, 4-4.

NCSU improves to 14-5, 5-3.

UVa was 3-12 (25.0%) from 3 with 10 turnovers.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Tried to give it away, but big win for State.
CJ Bryce is impressive.

[PackMan97]

Darnit! I had a 2,000 word post ready to go complaining about the refs and we had to go and win the game. It's maddening being an NC State fan.

[jhmoss1812]

Darnit! I had a 2,000 word post ready to go complaining about the refs and we had to go and win the game. It's maddening being an NC State fan.

I’m sure decades of not winning the ACC in any major sport will make a fan mad. Congrats on your win tonight though.

[CameronDuke]

1st win for NCSU in Charlottesville over UVa in 15 years.

That’s also the 1st time Tony Bennett has lost to NCSU in the regular season in his career at UVa.

[JasonEvans]

Thank goodness State won that game because I don't think Pack fans could have survived a loss like that. I'm pretty sure I have never seen a team execute that poorly in the final 25 seconds of a game. I mean... wow! The foul on the meaningless out of bounds play was terrible... and then they missed two front ends... and then they intentionally fouled an 85% shooter on a team that could not score all night giving them two easy points with more than 8 seconds left on the clock. What was Keats doing?!?!

[devildeac]

Amazing for the Pack to win after playing dead for about 10 minutes in the middle of the 2nd half.

This is not (quite) your Robinson-Sendek-Lowe-Gottfried Wolfpack :eek:.

[OldPhiKap]

This is not (quite) your Robinson-Sendek-Lowe-Gottfried Wolfpack.

If ever there was a phrase to inspire confidence . . . .

[CameronDuke]

At 12-6, 4-4, UVa is now 48th on Kenpom. UVa’s defense is still elite at 2nd in the country. However, the offense is abysmally ranked at 238th in the nation.

Depicted below is UVa’s adjusted offensive efficiency according to Kenpom for every one of Tony Bennett’s 11 seasons coaching at UVa. In this his 11th season in Charlottesville, this is the worst offense by far. The previous worst offense was in his second season at UVa, 2010-2011. That offense was ranked 159th.

2009-2010 - 87th
2010-2011 - 159th
2011-2012 - 133rd
2012-2013 - 83rd
2013-2014 - 27th
2014-2015 - 21st
2015-2016 - 8th
2016-2017 - 50th
2017-2018 - 30th
2018-2019 - 2nd
2019-2020 - 238th

UVa is now 91-341 (26.7%) from 3 on the season.

With the ACC being down this year, I still think they can win enough of their 12 remaining ACC games along with a game or two in the ACC Tournament to make the NCAA Tournament, but they need to turn it around quickly. They are now 1-4 in their last 5 league games.

[jhmoss1812]

At 12-6, 4-4, UVa is now 48th on Kenpom. UVa’s defense is still elite at 2nd in the country. However, the offense is abysmally ranked at 238th in the nation.

Depicted below is UVa’s adjusted offensive efficiency according to Kenpom for every one of Tony Bennett’s 11 seasons coaching at UVa. In this his 11th season in Charlottesville, this is the worst offense by far. The previous worst offense was in his second season at UVa, 2010-2011. That offense was ranked 159th.

2009-2010 - 87th
2010-2011 - 159th
2011-2012 - 133rd
2012-2013 - 83rd
2013-2014 - 27th
2014-2015 - 21st
2015-2016 - 8th
2016-2017 - 50th
2017-2018 - 30th
2018-2019 - 2nd
2019-2020 - 238th

UVa is now 91-341 (26.7%) from 3 on the season.

With the ACC being down this year, I still think they can win enough of their 12 remaining ACC games along with a game or two in the ACC Tournament to make the NCAA Tournament, but they need to turn it around quickly. They are now 1-4 in their last 5 league games.

Looks like I might have to rewatch last year's natty run more than I anticipated this year.

Offense is absolutely abysmal this year. Combination of early departures and some recruiting misses on Tony's part.

Hopefully it's a one year blip with a good recruiting class coming in and the Sam Hauser transfer.

[CameronDuke]

Looks like I might have to rewatch last year's natty run more than I anticipated this year.

Offense is absolutely abysmal this year. Combination of early departures and some recruiting misses on Tony's part.

Hopefully it's a one year blip with a good recruiting class coming in and the Sam Hauser transfer.

Yeah, the offense just can’t put the ball in the hoop. I am big on Huff but am still waiting on him to break out. I think Key’s ankle is bothering him, too. Diakite is doing all he can. Clark is giving his all but is a bit undersized and gets into trouble dribbling at times and turns it over. The way UVa defends, they have actually been in most of the conference losses they’ve sustained. They have led with under 4 minutes to go I believe in all of the losses. That is why I think they are capable of being on the winning side of a few more of these. The margin for winning and losing the way their offense is performing this year is very small.

Hauser will help next year. I’m excited to see him play. I’m sure this is a blip on the radar. Like you said, they won the Natty last year. I know it’s frustrating this season thus far, but that’s the ultimate goal and they achieved it.

I think the bad shooting is part mental by now. They’re better than this. They still have time to turn it around.

[PackMan97]

No call
https://twitter.com/DH4thePack/status/1219456179459514368

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

No call
https://twitter.com/DH4thePack/status/1219456179459514368
Careful. We don’t need to give the cheaters any more rebounding “tips and tricks” to add to their incessant pushing from behind.

BTW, can you imagine if that had been a Dukie? The internet would have imploded and come to a stand still. But not even the slightest mention by the Worldwide Leader.

[jhmoss1812]

No call
https://twitter.com/DH4thePack/status/1219456179459514368

His neck shouldn’t have been standing there

[AZLA]

Careful. We don’t need to give the cheaters any more rebounding “tips and tricks” to add to their incessant pushing from behind.

BTW, can you imagine if that had been a Dukie? The internet would have imploded and come to a stand still. But not even the slightest mention by the Worldwide Leader.

That punk was getting away with that crap all night. He threw an elbow too and they gave a double tech. Which was bunk. After watching that game it; maybe Coach K is onto something. Besides the poor sportsmanship, UVA was routinely holding, mugging, and literally jumping into players expecting the charge every time. It made more sense regarding Ks comments about movement of the offensive player and how the refs are struggling with interpreting the rule. Wolfpack deserved to win and they did.

[PackMan97]

...and here is what gets called for a foul on the other end.

https://twitter.com/FireIcePackPod/status/1219455172604198919

[BD80]

No call
https://twitter.com/DH4thePack/status/1219456179459514368


...and here is what gets called for a foul on the other end.

https://twitter.com/FireIcePackPod/status/1219455172604198919


The film session where the ACC reviews the calls with the officiating crew will probably be as meaningful as a language lab in AFAM at carolina. (Remember, it's not just the athletes, ALL unc students are entitled to a bogus degree!)

[JasonEvans]

No call
https://twitter.com/DH4thePack/status/1219456179459514368

I keep looking at it trying to decide if there is some way to say that Huff was just trying to make contact to help with a box out or something like that... but I just keep seeing him punch the dude in the throat.

Look, refs cannot see everything and this happened just as a shot went up and I would imagine they are watching the shooter and the lower post where dudes are fighting for rebounds. That said, this should be reviewed by the ACC league office and making Huff sit a game would not seem to be entirely outrageous.

[sagegrouse]

I thought the foul against Funderburk (#5) was nothing and the foul with 27 seconds left against Kihei was less than nothing.

I didn't see Huff's assault against Funderburk shown in your first link.

[TruBlu]

It wouldn't be a surprise (to me, anyway) for UVA to take action against Huff without ACC input. UVA and Bennett seem like class acts.

[JasonEvans]

So, where do we think various teams in the ACC stand in terms of making the dance?

Obviously, Duke, FSU, and Louisville are all but locks. But can the league find any more bids? I think a fourth team will emerge almost because one has to. It is just super unlikely that no one else finds their way to 11 or 12 conference wins. I think any ACC team that finds it way to 12-8 or better will make the NCAA tourney but will 11-9 get it done in terms of a bid? Obviously, it depends on other factors such as non-conference games and how you get to 11-9 but I am somewhat skeptical because the league is so down. So, who has a shot at getting to 12 conference wins?

NC State is 5-3 in the league and 14-5 overall. After their win at Virginia last night I think a very solid case can be made that the Pack are the 4th best team in the conference. They are 43 in Pomeroy and 45 in the NET. But, their schedule the rest of the way is tough with 4 games left against the Big Three in the league. Luckily, they get FSU, Lou, and Duke at State and only Duke on the road. They probably need to take care of business in all their other home games and then find a way to win a couple more road contests: @BC, @UNC, @GT, @Syr, and @Miami.

Va Tech is 4-3 in the league and 13-5 overall with a nice chance to get to a gaudy league record over their next three games UNC, @BC, and @Mia. They also play 5 of their final 8 games at home and all 5 of those home games are against mid-lower tier ACC teams. I sorta think Va Tech, which many had projected for the bottom of the conference, has the best shot at getting to 12 ACC wins. They aer very similar to State in terms of the rankings, #56 in Pom and #44 in NET.

Syr is also 4-3 in the league but just 11-7 overall. They got a huge break from the scheduling gods this year by only playing the Big Three once each, but all three of those games are still to come. The Orange also close with 5 of their final 7 on the road including both at FSU and at Lou so it feels to me like they will likely stumble to the finish even if they rack up some wins here in the middle of the ACC season. Just looking at how they have performed thus far, I don't see them getting to 12 wins.

We have to talk about Virginia, the defending National Champs. As everyone knows, if their offense ever clicks even a little bit they are going to be great, but we are halfway through the season and they are just godawful on O. The Cavs are 4-4 in the ACC and 12-6 overall, so they need to find a way to win a lot more than they lose the rest of the way. Pomeroy has them at #49 and they are #63 in the NET so they've got some work to do. The schedule is not very kind. Virginia has 4 games left against the Big Three including @Louisville. If they win all their other games but lose those contests then they get to 12-8, but last night shows you what a tall order that will be. Virginia's final 5 games will be murder -- @Pitt, @VT, Duke, @Mia, and then Lou. They are very likely to be underdogs in at least 3 of those games and the other two will be tossups at best. I keep on trying to figure out how Virginia gets to 12 ACC wins but I can't.

There is one other team I want to highlight right now... Pitt. The Panthers are 3-4 in the league and 12-6 overall but their schedule is pretty nice because they've already dealt with much of the tough stuff. They play @Duke and @FSU but are done with Louisville. Their season opening win against FSU looks really good right now though their resume would look a lot better without a loss at home to Wake or against Nichols back in November. Still, it is not like you look at their schedule and see a ton of games in which they will have no chance. If they can pick up a couple road wins like @ND, @Syr, @GT then they have a real shot, I think. The Panthers are #67 in Pom and #69 in the NET so they have some work to do.

-Jason "a lot will shake out in the next week... currently so many teams with 4 or 5 losses it is tough to tell who is ok and who is just awful" Evans

[CameronBornAndBred]

So, where do we think various teams in the ACC stand in terms of making the dance?


I'm just assuming that the NIT is going to be renamed as The ACC Invitational this year.

[duke2x]

We don't have much experience with the NET, but the number of at-large bids has not changed since the RPI. You need a NET ca. 40 for serious consideration and ca. 50 with some really compelling reasons like catastrophic injury, gross overscheduling, etc.

[PackMan97]

You can get left out when your NET is as high as 33.

[Hartford Dukie]

It wouldn't be a surprise (to me, anyway) for UVA to take action against Huff without ACC input. UVA and Bennett seem like class acts.

After watching that, I certainly hope either the ACC or UVA takes action - sitting Huff. Really cheap shot - let's see what Bennett does.

[JasonEvans]

After watching that, I certainly hope either the ACC or UVA takes action - sitting Huff. Really cheap shot - let's see what Bennett does.

You know, the unfortunate thing is that Huff did something that appears to be dirty against NC State but (assuming there is some punishment) it would be Wake Forest who would benefit. I'm not saying I have a better solution (if State and UVA played again this year, then he could be suspended for that game, and I would be all in favor of that) but it sorta stinks.

[CameronDuke]

UNC opens as a 7.5 pt underdog at Virginia Tech tomorrow.

[devildeac]

UNC opens as a 7.5 pt underdog at Virginia Tech tomorrow.

Gobble, gobble.

[TKG]

UNC opens as a 7.5 pt underdog at Virginia Tech tomorrow.

That’s a shame....

[CameronDuke]

Wake up 37-31 at the half at Clemson.

Looks like Clemson may have peaked this season defeating Duke at home last week.

[devildeac]

Wake up 37-31 at the half at Clemson.

Looks like Clemson may have peaked this season defeating Duke at home last week.

Hmmm...

[CameronDuke]

Clemson holds on to win 70-68 over Wake.

Clemson is 10-8, 4-4.

Wake is 9-9, 2-6.

[CameronDuke]

Danny Manning is now 74-102 overall at Wake in this his 6th season. That includes a 26-72 mark in the ACC.

After going 19-14, 9-9 in 2016-2017 and making the NCAAT first four and losing, Wake has not made it back to the NCAAT. Manning has not won an NCAAT game while head coach at Wake.

[CameronDuke]

Virginia Tech down to -6.5 over unc tonight in Blacksburg.

[devildeac]

Cole Anthony's return to the cheats line-up still in doubt according to the Raleigh News and Observer this AM. He hasn't practiced yet and ol roy claims he don't let players play without practicing but, dadgummit, it might put him in the New Year's spirit. (No link, subscription only, so you'll have to trust me on this source again :rolleyes:;).)

[CameronDuke]

Unc leads at the half on the road for the first time this season.

Unc up 36-30 at the half in Blacksburg.

[CameronDuke]

Cuse wins at ND 84-82.

Cuse improves to 12-7, 5-3.

ND drops to 11-7, 2-5.

[CameronDuke]

Louisville beats GT 68-64.

Louisville improves to 16-3, 7-1.

GT falls to 8-11, 3-6.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Roy Williams calls a timeout. 1/22/2019

[CameronDuke]

The Hokies have cut the heels lead to 49-45 with 10:03 left at Cassell Coliseum. Gonna be a dandy coming down the stretch tonight in Blacksburg, Virginia.

[BD80]

Roy Williams calls a timeout. 1/22/2019

Did they commemorate the anniversary today?

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Did they commemorate the anniversary today?

Oops. Don't look at my checks please.

[OldPhiKap]

Oops. Don't look at my checks please.

I just put “today” in the date line for checks. Saves a lot of brain cells.

[arnie]

I just put “today” in the date line for checks. Saves a lot of brain cells.

What happened to kiting checks - then you could put “ day after tomorrow”?

[OldPhiKap]

What happened to kiting checks - then you could put “ day after tomorrow”?

Well, to keep things interesting, sometimes I write “not today” . . . .

[CameronDuke]

OT in Blacksburg. 60-60 between the heels and Hokies.

[OldPhiKap]

OT in Blacksburg. 60-60 between the heels and Hokies.

How many time outs does Roy have?

[CameronDuke]

How many time outs does Roy have?

Surprisingly 2.

Make that 1.

[CameronDuke]

Double OT in Blacksburg. Hokies and heels tied 67-67.

[chrishoke]

VPI can't shoot.

[rsvman]

What just happened?

I think Roy called a time out!!!

[bundabergdevil]

Ruh-Roh, Roy.

[devildeac]

cheats looked good :D

[CameronDuke]

VPI beats the heels 79-77 in double OT in Blacksburg.

VPI improves to 14-5, 5-3

Heels fall to 8-10, 1-6.

6 straight ACC Ls for the heels. That’s a new record for them.

The heels have an uphill battle to secure an NCAAT at large bid. Looks like they may have to win the ACCT and secure an automatic bid if they want to dance this year.

[Acymetric]

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch!

[DU82]

VPI beats the heels 79-77 in double OT in Blacksburg.

VPI improves to 14-5, 5-3

Heels fall to 8-10, 1-6.

The heels have an uphill battle to secure an NCAAT at large bid. Looks like they may have to win the ACCT and secure an automatic bid if they want to dance this year.

At this point, they have an uphill battle to secure an NIT at large bid.

[OldPhiKap]

What just happened?

I think Roy called a time out!!!

Guess he should have let them play it out.

[fan345678]

VPI beats the heels 79-77 in double OT in Blacksburg.

VPI improves to 14-5, 5-3

Heels fall to 8-10, 1-6.

6 straight ACC Ls for the heels.

The heels have an uphill battle to secure an NCAAT at large bid. Looks like they may have to win the ACCT and secure an automatic bid if they want to dance this year.

Big quadrant 4 win for VT.

[Duke79UNLV77]

Any chance Brooks could leave early? He’s been a one-man team lately.

[Green Wave Dukie]

6 in a row, right?

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Ripped their hearts out. Perfect. Just perfect.

[ChrisP]

In the immortal words of my good friend Nelson: Ha-hah

[DU82]

6 in a row, right?

Seven, according to the Helms bakery.

[OldPhiKap]

Big quadrant 4 win for VT.

Can’t spork, need help please.

[dukelifer]

VPI beats the heels 79-77 in double OT in Blacksburg.

VPI improves to 14-5, 5-3

Heels fall to 8-10, 1-6.

6 straight ACC Ls for the heels.

The heels have an uphill battle to secure an NCAAT at large bid. Looks like they may have to win the ACCT and secure an automatic bid if they want to dance this year.
Well to be fair- they have been very close to winning a bunch of games. If they get Anthony back- they have a shot of beating many teams in the league. Not counting them out until they are officially out.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Can’t spork, need help please.
Covered you. I legitimately laughed out loud.

[duke4ever19]

Ripped their hearts out. Perfect. Just perfect.

That was beautiful to watch. Brooks just collapses to the floor. They are done.

[devildeac]

6 in a row, right?

Wishful thinking. It's only a 5 game losing streak.

Go 'Canes!!

[CameronDuke]

Well to be fair- they have been very close to winning a bunch of games. If they get Anthony back- they have a shot of beating many teams in the league. Not counting them out until they are officially out.

Just thought pretty much the same thing. Brooks is a load and will give most teams in the league fits. They’ve been close in several of their Ls. When Anthony comes back, they’re going to win some games. Just hope it’s not vs Duke.

[Reddevil]

Big quadrant 4 win for VT.

Yeah, playing the cheats hurts your SOS.

[robed deity]

I almost feel bad for Garrison Brooks. Almost.

[OldPhiKap]

Covered you. I legitimately laughed out loud.

You’re a good doctor, doctor.

[devildeac]

Can’t spork, need help please.

Done. You owe me some Bojangles chicken...

;)

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

That was beautiful to watch. Brooks just collapses to the floor. They are done.
I don’t wish bad things for the kids. But, the program? Yes. The coach? Yes. The fans? God yes.

[CameronDuke]

28 points, 13 boards, and 6 assists for Brooks tonight. Kid has skill. Played his heart out tonight.

[OldPhiKap]

Done. You owe me some Bojangles chicken...

;)

Just no ketchup on the sandwich, please

[devildeac]

You’re a good doctor, doctor.

What am I, chopped habaneros?

;)

[buddy]

Wishful thinking. It's only a 5 game losing streak.

Go 'Canes!!

But a 6 game ACC losing streak. Roy breaks another of Dean's records. Having a heck of a season.

[devildeac]

Just no ketchup on the sandwich, please

Sriracha OK?

:p

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

What am I, chopped habaneros?

;)
Oh my heartburn!

[OldPhiKap]

What am I, chopped habaneros?

;)

I am guessing that “Carolina Reaper” would be a bad moniker in your field . . . .

[devildeac]

But a 6 game ACC losing streak. Roy breaks another of Dean's records. Having a heck of a season.

Great point. Ahh, hadn't thought about it that way.

Go 'Canes!!

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Ol’ Roy obviously has too much respect for his mentor to pass him in the win column. Wants to wait until he passes him in the loss column first.

[devildeac]

I am guessing that “Carolina Reaper” would be a bad moniker in your field . . . .

Only if you add more cowbell...

[devildeac]

Ol’ Roy obviously has too much respect for his mentor to pass him in the win column. Wants to wait until he passes him in the loss column first.

That would certainly work for me...

[OldPhiKap]

Only if you add more cowbell...

Only if we play Mississippi State.

[CameronDuke]

At 8-10, 1-6, the heels are now 91st on Kenpom. Offense is ranked 113th and defense is ranked 87th.

[devildeac]

At 8-10, 1-6, the heels are now 91st on Kenpom. Offense is ranked 113th and defense is ranked 87th.

O-ver ra-ted: clap, clap, clap/clap/clap.

;)

[tbyers11]

At 8-10, 1-6, the heels are now 91st on Kenpom. Offense is ranked 113th and defense is ranked 87th.

They actually moved up 2 spots from 93rd with the loss. Kenpom predicted them to lose by 7 and they only lost by 2

[devildeac]

They actually moved up 2 spots from 93rd with the loss. Kenpom predicted them to lose by 7 and they only lost by 2

Maybe they'll hang a banner...

[CameronDuke]

Pitt hangs on to beat BC 74-72. Lots of close ones in the ACC tonight.

Pitt improves to 13-6, 4-4.

BC falls to 9-10, 3-5.

[CameronDuke]

They actually moved up 2 spots from 93rd with the loss. Kenpom predicted them to lose by 7 and they only lost by 2

LOL. Most Ls Ole Roy has recorded in a season was 17 in 09-10. Unc finished 20-17 that year. Looking like they may give that number of Ls a run for its money this year. Long way to go though. Still think they’ll win more than they’ll lose when Anthony comes back.

[OldPhiKap]

LOL. Most Ls Ole Roy has recorded in a season was 17 in 09-10. Unc finished 20-17 that year. Looking like they may give that number of Ls a run for its money this year. Long way to go though. Still think they’ll win more than they’ll lose when Anthony comes back.

UNC has 13 regular season games left, four against ranked teams (@ FSU, @ L’Ville, home/away with us) and the other nine against ACC teams with better records. They have talent, they fought well tonight, and Anthony will be back next week or so most likely — but seven more losses is certainly possible.

[tbyers11]

LOL. Most Ls Ole Roy has recorded in a season was 17 in 09-10. Unc finished 20-17 that year. Looking like they may give that number of Ls a run for its money this year. Long way to go though. Still think they’ll win more than they’ll lose when Anthony comes back.

I think most people are forgetting that they lost 3 of the last 4 games that Cole Anthony played in before his injury. Granted Ohio St, Michigan and Virginia aren't awful but they were blown out against Michigan and Ohio St and a 9 point loss to UVA is like a 20 pt loss to anyone else :)

Anthony will obviously make them better but their ACC schedule is also much more difficult over the last 13 games (Duke twice, @Louisville, @FSU, NCST twice, @Syracuse, @ND, UVA as highlights). Kenpom predicts they will go 5-8 and that sounds about right to me.

[WakeDevil]

A Louisville fan came on IC to tell them it was their payback season for all the cheating they'd done. They actually went back and forth with him, and someone suggested that he go to an Italian restaurant and perform a sexual act on himself. The mods must have been too depressed to do anything.

[CameronDuke]

UNC has 13 regular season games left, four against ranked teams (@ FSU, @ L’Ville, home/away with us) and the other nine against ACC teams with better records. They have talent, they fought well tonight, and Anthony will be back next week or so most likely — but seven more losses is certainly possible.

7 more Ls indeed seems possible. Hope 2 of them are absolute blowouts, as well.

[BD80]

Seven, according to the Helms bakery.

Bakers do add one to everything …



Well to be fair- they have been very close to winning a bunch of games. If they get Anthony back- they have a shot of beating many teams in the league. Not counting them out until they are officially out.

I just love hearing this: "but the heels have been close." "Close" is the mating call of losers.

[OldPhiKap]

7 more Ls indeed seems possible. Hope 2 of them are absolute blowouts, as well.

Yup. But the two games against State are probably wins. Because, State.

(Packman, we’re looking at you)

[bundabergdevil]

A Louisville fan came on IC to tell them it was their payback season for all the cheating they'd done. They actually went back and forth with him, and someone suggested that he go to an Italian restaurant and perform a sexual act on himself. The mods must have been too depressed to do anything.

Round the ACC, they just call that a 'Pitino'.

[CameronDuke]

I think most people are forgetting that they lost 3 of the last 4 games that Cole Anthony played in before his injury. Granted Ohio St, Michigan and Virginia aren't awful but they were blown out against Michigan and Ohio St and a 9 point loss to UVA is like a 20 pt loss to anyone else :)

Anthony will obviously make them better but their ACC schedule is also much more difficult over the last 13 games (Duke twice, @Louisville, @FSU, NCST twice, @Syracuse, @ND, UVA as highlights). Kenpom predicts they will go 5-8 and that sounds about right to me.

True, they weren’t earth shattering before Anthony was injured. It may give them a mental lift/jolt more than stats can predict when he returns but who can be sure.

5-8 in their final 13 would put them at 13-18, 6-14 heading to Greensboro. Would likely need to win 5 games in 5 days to dance. Not sure if the Kenpom 5-8 prediction has Anthony’s return built into the algorithm but if they do indeed go 5-8 the rest of the way, they won’t even play in the NIT this season. Honestly, I think after the ACC Tournament if they don’t win it they may voluntarily end their season even if by some wild chance they’re invited to an invitational.

[PackMan97]

Heals looked heartbreakingly good.

[cato]

Bakers do add one to everything …




I just love hearing this: "but the heels have been close." "Close" is the mating call of losers.

I prefer hearing that they got run out of the gym, but I will take “close” too.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Big quadrant 4 win for VT.
When Van Pelt did the highlights tonight, he pointed out that VT couldn’t afford to lose to the cheaters b/c it would now be considered a bad loss. Oh how the mighty [cheating bastards] have fallen.

[gofurman]

When Van Pelt did the highlights tonight, he pointed out that VT couldn’t afford to lose to the cheaters b/c it would now be considered a bad loss. Oh how the mighty [cheating bastards] have fallen.

no jinxess. be careful here with 'woofing' - UNC lost to VT without Brandon Robinson and Anthony by in 2OT and shoulda beaten Clemson too. Clemson who we lost to. ANYONE can beat ANYONE in ACC - not having Cole A and then Brandon Robinson was a big help to VT tonight. I am a HUUGE Duke fan but no jinxes. I will be interested to see them w Robinson back.. I hope they don't get ANthony

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

no jinxess. be careful here with 'woofing' - UNC lost to VT without Brandon Robinson and Anthony by in 2OT and shoulda beaten Clemson too. Clemson who we lost to. ANYONE can beat ANYONE in ACC - not having Cole A and then Brandon Robinson was a big help to VT tonight. I am a HUUGE Duke fan but no jinxes. I will be interested to see them w Robinson back.. I hope they don't get ANthony

Easy now. They are 1-6.

[DukieInKansas]

Due to the ACC network, I just saw the end of the game again. ZHeels still looked good.

[kshepinthehouse]

True, they weren’t earth shattering before Anthony was injured. It may give them a mental lift/jolt more than stats can predict when he returns but who can be sure.

5-8 in their final 13 would put them at 13-18, 6-14 heading to Greensboro. Would likely need to win 5 games in 5 days to dance. Not sure if the Kenpom 5-8 prediction has Anthony’s return built into the algorithm but if they do indeed go 5-8 the rest of the way, they won’t even play in the NIT this season. Honestly, I think after the ACC Tournament if they don’t win it they may voluntarily end their season even if by some wild chance they’re invited to an invitational.

Kenpom does not take into account injuries.

[TKG]

I just took a look at the league standings and a little tear formed in the corner of my eye and warm feeling came over me.

[arnie]

Yup. But the two games against State are probably wins. Because, State.

(Packman, we’re looking at you)

Unfortunately, Roy owns the Pack (obscene 35-4 all time) and they lay down like good little puppies on his command. Hope this year is different but wont surprise me if they fold up in both games, costing them the tourney bid.

[rocketeli]

no jinxess. be careful here with 'woofing' - UNC lost to VT without Brandon Robinson and Anthony by in 2OT and shoulda beaten Clemson too. Clemson who we lost to. ANYONE can beat ANYONE in ACC - not having Cole A and then Brandon Robinson was a big help to VT tonight. I am a HUUGE Duke fan but no jinxes. I will be interested to see them w Robinson back.. I hope they don't get ANthony

yes, unfortunately, reports of the heels demise are greatly exaggerated. I fully expect them to go 17-12 9-9, steal a game in the ACC tournament and get like a seventh seed in the NCAAs over several much more deserving teams.

Some games last night in the ACC though! 10 points to decide 4 games.

[PackMan97]

Unfortunately, Roy owns the Pack (obscene 35-4 all time) and they lay down like good little puppies on his command. Hope this year is different but wont surprise me if they fold up in both games, costing them the tourney bid.

We are afraid Roy will shoot us if we win... He's made threats us know.

[pamtar]

A Louisville fan came on IC to tell them it was their payback season for all the cheating they'd done. They actually went back and forth with him, and someone suggested that he go to an Italian restaurant and perform a sexual act on himself. The mods must have been too depressed to do anything.

The floor is the ground.

[budwom]

yes, unfortunately, reports of the heels demise are greatly exaggerated. I fully expect them to go 17-12 9-9, steal a game in the ACC tournament and get like a seventh seed in the NCAAs over several much more deserving teams.

Some games last night in the ACC though! 10 points to decide 4 games.

absolutely. The league is so mediocre they could easily win a bunch in a row when Anthony comes back...get them to 11 league losses and I'll feel better...that's why last night's loss was so gratifying.

[wsb3]

cheats looked good :D

I went to bed with UNC up 9 & VT couldn't make a wide open jumper. I woke about an hour later, (my normal insomnia) went to the couch & turned on SC..I am thinking well no way UNC didn't win but with a sliver of hope I pull up DBR on my phone and see posts like the one from devildeac. My heart so filled with joy, I went to my computer to watch the last 10 minutes and OT.

Dadgum, that is hard way to lose. Is there just a small part of me buried deep inside that feels just a speck of sadness for the CHEATS?

NO!

Come on Miami. Make it 7.

[Music man55]

Unfortunately, Roy owns the Pack (obscene 35-4 all time) and they lay down like good little puppies on his command. Hope this year is different but wont surprise me if they fold up in both games, costing them the tourney bid.

This is about right. I would bet the farm that the pack lays an egg and rolls over and plays dead and drops both games to the holes.I really hope I,m wrong but Roy does seem to own them.I despise anything to do with the cheats,but it would not surprise me if they don't go on some kind of run when Anthony comes back,steal a game in the acc tourney, and sneak in to the big dance and make all of the ESPN clowns giddy!

[BD80]

absolutely. The league is so mediocre they could easily win a bunch in a row when Anthony comes back...get them to 11 league losses and I'll feel better...that's why last night's loss was so gratifying.

Last night's loss, ALL of unc's losses, are so gratifying for SO many reasons.

There is not room on the internet for me to list all the reasons unc losses are gratifying.

[jv001]

I don’t wish bad things for the kids. But, the program? Yes. The coach? Yes. The fans? God yes.

This is how I feel toward uncheat. There have been far more players at cheatville that I like than those I despise. This is how I rank the things I despise: 1) 99% of their stupid fans. 2) the entire athletic program and what they stand for. Wins at all costs, in other words cheat in every way possible. 3) Those stupid banners they won by cheating.
4) ESPN for hardly mentioning the cheating/fraud. 5) Dean Smith, he started the cheating. 6) Frank McGuire. He probably drew up the blue print for cheating. 7)That ugly ram. 8) Any announcer that excuses said fraud(you Jay). 9) ole roy, yes you knew. 10) Bubba for lying through it all.
Whew, glad I got that off my chest.

GoDuke!

[Music man55]

This is how I feel toward uncheat. There have far more players at cheatville that I like than those I despise. This how I rank the things I despise: 1) 99% of their stupid fans. 2) the entire athletic program and what they stand for. Wins at all costs, in other words cheat in every way possible. 3) Those stupid banners they won by cheating.
4) ESPN for hardly mentioning the cheating/fraud. 5) Dean Smith, he started the cheating. 6) Frank McGuire. He probably drew up the blue print for cheating. 7)That ugly ram. 8) Any announcer that excuses said fraud(you Jay). 9) ole roy, yes you knew. 10) Bubba for lying through it all.
Whew, glad I got that off my chest.

GoDuke!
Way to go jv001.That sums up my feelings entirely of those cheating bags of horse dung at the dump on the hump!

[AGDukesky]

absolutely. The league is so mediocre they could easily win a bunch in a row when Anthony comes back...get them to 11 league losses and I'll feel better...that's why last night's loss was so gratifying.

Agreed. And I know this is my pessimism getting the better of me, but it just feels like the universe is setting us up. My fear is UNC keeps losing... until we play them. Duke’s margin for error is not that great and if Anthony comes back he is capable of going nuts against us. Before the season my expectations were relatively low but then we were playing amazing defense. Now it feels like we are playing more to the level I expected, which makes every game a possible loss. Luckily the ACC is terrible, but that only hides our deficiencies.

I’ll just expect the worst and be happy if it doesn’t happen...

[rsvman]

Obviously the ghost of Dean Smith is making it impossible for Ol' Roy to break his wins record.



I never thought I'd say this, but "Go Dean!"











Now I gotta go wash my mouth out with soap.

[jv001]

Agreed. And I know this is my pessimism getting the better of me, but it just feels like the universe is setting us up. My fear is UNC keeps losing... until we play them. Duke’s margin for error is not that great and if Anthony comes back he is capable of going nuts against us. Before the season my expectations were relatively low but then we were playing amazing defense. Now it feels like we are playing more to the level I expected, which makes every game a possible loss. Luckily the ACC is terrible, but that only hides our deficiencies.

I’ll just expect the worst and be happy if it doesn’t happen...

Yeh, if we lose to those cheats, it would probably give us the worst loss this season. That would hurt our NCAAT seeding.

GoDuke!

[MChambers]

Yeh, if we lose to those cheats, it would probably give us the worst loss this season. That would hurt our NCAAT seeding.

GoDuke!

In fact, in T-Rank, Stephen F. Austin is #109; UNCheat is #110, one spot behind. So, yes, losing to UNC would be Duke's worst loss (putting aside home court advantage).

[ChillinDuke]

True, they weren’t earth shattering before Anthony was injured. It may give them a mental lift/jolt more than stats can predict when he returns but who can be sure.

5-8 in their final 13 would put them at 13-18, 6-14 heading to Greensboro. Would likely need to win 5 games in 5 days to dance. Not sure if the Kenpom 5-8 prediction has Anthony’s return built into the algorithm but if they do indeed go 5-8 the rest of the way, they won’t even play in the NIT this season. Honestly, I think after the ACC Tournament if they don’t win it they may voluntarily end their season even if by some wild chance they’re invited to an invitational.

It might.

Or he might try to do too much.

Or he might ruin some of whatever juju the team has created in his absence, however small that might be.

Who can be sure, is right.

- Chillin

[sagegrouse]

I went to bed with UNC up 9 & VT couldn't make a wide open jumper. I woke about an hour later, (my normal insomnia) went to the couch & turned on SC..I am thinking well no way UNC didn't win but with a sliver of hope I pull up DBR on my phone and see posts like the one from devildeac. My heart so filled with joy, I went to my computer to watch the last 10 minutes and OT.

Dadgum, that is hard way to lose. Is there just a small part of me buried deep inside that feels just a speck of sadness for the CHEATS?

NO!

Come on Miami. Make it 7.

I was switching off and on, but I think I saw UNC give up leads in regulation, OT 1 and OT 2.

[CameronBornAndBred]

I was switching off and on, but I think I saw UNC give up leads in regulation, OT 1 and OT 2.

I think in the whole second half, VT never led. They tied it, obviously, but it was painful to watch how many times they jacked up threes and bricked them. If they had gone inside, they probably would have won in regulation. I don't think VT ever led in the first OT either. They truly seemed like they were happy if the game went on til midnight. It wasn't until the the second OT that they finally got a lead, which they coughed up really quickly. I would be surprised between the regulation of the second half and both OTs if VT led the game for more than 30 seconds.

[cato]

I think in the whole second half, VT never led. They tied it, obviously, but it was painful to watch how many times they jacked up threes and bricked them. If they had gone inside, they probably would have won in regulation. I don't think VT ever led in the first OT either. They truly seemed like they were happy if the game went on til midnight. It wasn't until the the second OT that they finally got a lead, which they coughed up really quickly. I would be surprised between the regulation of the second half and both OTs if VT led the game for more than 30 seconds.

Do I recall correctly that when Austin Rivers knifed Carolina in the Dean Dome, Duke trailed the entire 20 minutes of the second half?

[Neals384]

I think in the whole second half, VT never led. They tied it, obviously, but it was painful to watch how many times they jacked up threes and bricked them. If they had gone inside, they probably would have won in regulation. I don't think VT ever led in the first OT either. They truly seemed like they were happy if the game went on til midnight. It wasn't until the the second OT that they finally got a lead, which they coughed up really quickly. I would be surprised between the regulation of the second half and both OTs if VT led the game for more than 30 seconds.

Right, no VT lead in 2H or 1OT. Led for a total of 1:01 in 2OT.

As as I was looking up scores, I didn’t see the uNC score at first, then realized it was because the default display is ranked teams only. Bwahaha

[DukieInKansas]

Right, no VT lead in 2H or 1OT. Led for a total of 1:01 in 2OT.

As as I was looking up scores, I didn’t see the uNC score at first, then realized it was because the default display is ranked teams only. Bwahaha

I have fallen for that more than once. Never gets old. ;)

[CameronBornAndBred]

Right, no VT lead in 2H or 1OT. Led for a total of 1:01 in 2OT.

As as I was looking up scores, I didn’t see the uNC score at first, then realized it was because the default display is ranked teams only. Bwahaha
Only because Roy called his last timeouts. :p:rolleyes:

[gofurman]

yes, unfortunately, reports of the heels demise are greatly exaggerated. I fully expect them to go 17-12 9-9, steal a game in the ACC tournament and get like a seventh seed in the NCAAs over several much more deserving teams.

Some games last night in the ACC though! 10 points to decide 4 games.

Y, an L is an L but these are so close. I saw Duke play one game in person this year over at Clemson. ANyone can lose

[left_hook_lacey]

Well to be fair- they have been very close to winning a bunch of games. If they get Anthony back- they have a shot of beating many teams in the league. Not counting them out until they are officially out.

To be even more fair, they were losing games with Anthony and Robinson in the lineup before. Anthony was already trying to do to much and play outside his normal game to try to make something happen. I think they will still struggle the rest of the way. Sure, they'll pick up a couple of wins here or there, but they have nothing. And now, they really have nothing left to play for, so it will get worse before it gets better.

Like I said, about a month ago, get your popcorn ready. Or, now, keep your popcorn ready...lol

[PackMan97]

Huge game for NC State at GT. We really need to get this one back.

We have seven games against teams at or below .500 in the ACC left, plus games against Louisville, Syracuse, Duke(x2) and FSU. We can really help ourselves by doing what needs to be done and perhaps steal a few games against the Top 10 teams we play. I really think State needs to get to 12-8 to be comfortable with the NCAA.

[devildeac]

Huge game for NC State at GT. We really need to get this one back.

We have seven games against teams at or below .500 in the ACC left, plus games against Louisville, Syracuse, Duke(x2) and FSU. We can really help ourselves by doing what needs to be done and perhaps steal a few games against the Top 10 teams we play. I really think State needs to get to 12-8 to be comfortable with the NCAA.

As long as NCSU can muster 2 wins vs the cheats in the regular season this year. That's all I ask of you...

[cato]

As long as NCSU can muster 2 wins vs the cheats in the regular season this year. That's all I ask of you...

That’s about as likely as Clemson winning in, oh, you know what, never mind. Go ahead and dream.

[devildeac]

That’s about as likely as Clemson winning in, oh, you know what, never mind. Go ahead and dream.

Don't mind if I do:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-2u2lhGO4w

;):D

[Ultrarunner]

Unfortunately, Roy owns the Pack (obscene 35-4 all time) and they lay down like good little puppies on his command. Hope this year is different but wont surprise me if they fold up in both games, costing them the tourney bid.

Blind squirrels and Clemson.

[PSurprise]

I think it's a great year when anytime you lose to uNC, it's a "bad loss" and hurts your tourney hopes.

[OldPhiKap]

I think it's a great year when anytime you lose to uNC, it's a "bad loss" and hurts your tourney hopes.

Yes, and even better when an extremely few teams have to suffer that ignominy.

[devildeac]

No way the cheats lose at the dean's myth center today to the 'Canes...

Amirite?

;)

[TKG]

No way the cheats lose at the dean's myth center today to the 'Canes...

Amirite?

;)

I think you are correct. The Cheats are struggling but have talent. Miami has less talent and are just not a good team.

[Music man55]

No way the cheats lose at the dean's myth center today to the 'Canes...

Amirite?

;)

Unfortunately, you probably are. Don't think the canes have anybody to match up with Brooks.

[OldPhiKap]

UNC has lost six conference games in a row. The last time that happened was {checks notes} never.

Go U.

[Tooold]

No way the cheats lose at the dean's myth center today to the 'Canes...

Amirite?

;)

One can only hope.

[SavDukeGrad]

Unfortunately, you probably are. Don't think the canes have anybody to match up with Brooks.

Unfortunately, I agree with you. Miami has no depth anyway. But with so many of their players banged up, especially Lykes, I just don’t see how they can match up with the Heels.

[Bob Green]

Per Twitter, guard Jeremiah Francis is not participating in Carolina warm ups.

Francis played 23 minutes as part of a 7 player rotation against VT on Wednesday night.

[devildeac]

Per Twitter, guard Jeremiah Francis is not participating in Carolina warm ups.

Francis played 23 minutes as part of a 7 player rotation against VT on Wednesday night.

Ozzie and I can probably be at the dean's myth center in about 45 minutes and suit up to *help* them this afternoon...

;)

[SavDukeGrad]

I don’t think the Canes have a prayer without Lykes and McGusty. Unfortunately.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

I don’t think the Canes have a prayer without Lykes and McGusty. Unfortunately.
None at all. But it’ll be funny to see their fans get all excited about winning a game against an awful and even more depleted team.

[dukelifer]

None at all. But it’ll be funny to see their fans get all excited about winning a game against an awful and even more depleted team.

The league is really strange this year. Not sure what to make of it.

[CameronDuke]

Unc is finally gonna get another ACC win today. They have this one in the bag over Miami. 30-11 unc. How bad is Miami this year? They have been decimated by injuries.

[OldPhiKap]

Wow, Miami with only six players. Even K is impressed.

[arnie]

None at all. But it’ll be funny to see their fans get all excited about winning a game against an awful and even more depleted team.

Yep, their NIT chances up to 25%

[CameronDuke]

Pitt getting the doors blown off inside the Carrier Dome in Syracuse, New York.

28-9 orange.

[CameronDuke]

Unc up 51-27 on Miami at the half in chapel hill.

[OldPhiKap]

Unc up 51-27 on Miami at the half in chapel hill.

Just think what an epic collapse this will be then!

[CameronDuke]

Just think what an epic collapse this will be then!

I sure hope so.

[devildeac]

Just think what an epic collapse this will be then!

Make mine a double of what OPK just ordered!!

[CameronDuke]

Cuse up 32-21 on Pitt at the half at the Carrier Dome.

[OldPhiKap]

Make mine a double of what OPK just ordered!!

Nothing but grain alcohol and pure rain water.

Purity of Essence. POE.

OPK.

[dukelifer]

Unc up 51-27 on Miami at the half in chapel hill.

UNC is back- their worries are behind them. Roy will be able to sleep well tonight.

[devildeac]

UNC is back- their worries are behind them. Roy will be able to sleep well tonight.

I'm not watching. Is miami even trying to play D in this game?

[CameronDuke]

I'm not watching. Is miami even trying to play D in this game?

They’re trying to. Think they only dressed 6 today.

Unc up 83-50 late.

[devildeac]

They’re trying to. Think they only dressed 6 today.

Unc up 83-50 late.

According to the box score, it does indeed appear they only dressed 6 for the game. :eek:

[DukieInKansas]

According to the box score, it does indeed appear they only dressed 6 for the game. :eek:

Did Roy trade them a time out to be named later for this?

[devildeac]

Think ol roy will pull the starters, head to the locker room with them and send out a buncha managers for the last 15 seconds so he can avoid injuries as their rabid fans storm the court after breaking their longest acc losing streak? :rolleyes:

[devildeac]

Did Roy trade them a time out to be named later for this?

Probably not. I think his TOs are only redeemable for fries (and maybe Coca Colas) at participating Orange County McDonald's locations...

:rolleyes:

[CameronDuke]

Unc destroys Miami 94-71 in chapel hill.

Unc improves to 9-10, 2-6.

Miami drops to 10-9, 2-7.

[devildeac]

They’re trying to. Think they only dressed 6 today.

Unc up 83-50 late.

We're both wrong. There are now 8 miami players listed in the box score so they appear to have been sand-bagging us.

Of course, the cheats now have about 20 names listed in their portion of the box score. More sand-bagging.

:rolleyes:

[CameronDuke]

We're both wrong. There are now 8 miami players listed in the box score so they appear to have been sand-bagging us.

Of course, the cheats now have about 20 names listed in their portion of the box score. More sand-bagging.

:rolleyes:

Those sand bagging sons of guns.

[CameronDuke]

NCSU - please don’t lay an egg Monday night in Raleigh and extend UNC’s win streak to two! Especially since then Unc hosts BC and has a shot at 3 wins in a row to get to 11-10, 4-6!

[CameronDuke]

Cuse beats Pitt 69-61 at the Carrier Dome. That’s 5 wins in a row for Cuse.

Cuse improves to 13-7, 6-3.

Pitt falls to 13-7, 4-5.

[CameronDuke]

Louisville continuing their dominance of the ACC, up 47-26 on Clemson at the half at the KFC YUM! Center.

[PackMan97]

Heels looked bad... Did you guys break Miami or something?

[CameronDuke]

VT up 31-26 at the half at BC.

[devildeac]

Those sand bagging sons of guns.

You're being awfully kind...

[CameronDuke]

Louisville continues their stranglehold on the ACC with a 80-62 drubbing of Clemson.

Louisville is in the driver’s seat as they improve to 17-3, 8-1.

Clemson continues their rough season so far (other than upsetting Duke), falling to 10-9, 4-5.

[CameronDuke]

BC upsets VT in Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts 61-56.

BC improves to 9-10, 4-5.

VT falls to 14-6, 5-4.

Boy, there are plenty of mediocre teams in the league this season!

[tbyers11]

Louisville continues their stranglehold on the ACC with a 80-62 drubbing of Clemson.

Louisville is in the driver’s seat as they improve to 17-3, 8-1.

Clemson continues their rough season so far (other than upsetting Duke), falling to 10-9, 4-5.

How is Louisville in the driver's seat for the ACC? Currently, both Louisville and FSU have one ACC loss and FSU beat the Cards in Louisville handily. There are a lot of games left to play but I would say that FSU is currently in the driver's seat.

[CameronDuke]

How is Louisville in the driver's seat for the ACC? Currently, both Louisville and FSU have one ACC loss and FSU beat the Cards in Louisville handily. There are a lot of games left to play but I would say that FSU is currently in the driver's seat.

Louisville actually has 2 more league wins (8-1) than FSU (6-1) so they’re in 1st place overall.

I’d be surprised to see FSU win at UVa Tuesday night, too. The game in Tallahassee was a sloppy effort from both teams (FSU won 54-50) but I wasn’t overly impressed with how FSU looked against the UVa pack line defense (FSU shot 20-54 overall and 8-22 from 3 with 16 turnovers). If UVa figures out a way to have just a semblance of an offense, I think they’ll win.

[robed deity]

How that last State trip to the basket wasn't called a foul is beyond me.

[CameronDuke]

GT beats NCSU in Atlanta 64-58 to finish off the regular season sweep of the Pack.

GT improves to 9-11, 4-6.

NCSU falls to 14-6, 5-4.

The 2019-2020 ACC is shaping up to be a big conglomerate of below average to mediocre teams with a very select few at the top!

[WakeDevil]

How that last State trip to the basket wasn't called a foul is beyond me.

That steal came off a foul. He bumped into him. ACC officials suck.

[arnie]

GT beats NCSU in Atlanta 64-58 to finish off the regular season sweep of the Pack.

GT improves to 9-11, 4-6.

NCSU falls to 14-6, 5-4.

The 2019-2020 ACC is shaping up to be a big conglomerate of below average to mediocre teams with a very select few at the top!

The Triangle media is convinced State make the tourney - heard a talk show and all 3 talking heads have them in.

I don’t get it, they play Duke twice, the Cheats twice, Louisville, FSU, at Syracuse in the 2nd half. With only 2 not great, but significant wins on their resume (Wiscy and UVA), I think they need to win at least 4 of the games above to have a chance. I doubt they pull that off and doubt they even win all games against others.

I seriously doubt they get a bid but everyone will complain they got screwed again.

[CameronDuke]

The Triangle media is convinced State make the tourney - heard a talk show and all 3 talking heads have them in.

I don’t get it, they play Duke twice, the Cheats twice, Louisville, FSU, at Syracuse in the 2nd half. With only 2 not great, but significant wins on their resume (Wiscy and UVA), I think they need to win at least 4 of the games above to have a chance. I doubt they pull that off and doubt they even win all games against others.

I seriously doubt they get a bid but everyone will complain they got screwed again.

Yeah, I agree that NCSU won’t make the NCAAT this year. I just don’t see it with them with that schedule you mentioned left.

I hope I’m wrong but something tells me they lay an egg Monday night in Raleigh vs unc. Again, I really hope I’m wrong but I would be surprised to see them beat unc.

[MChambers]

Yeah, I agree that NCSU won’t make the NCAAT this year. I just don’t see it with them with that schedule you mentioned left.

I hope I’m wrong but something tells me they lay an egg Monday night in Raleigh vs unc. Again, I really hope I’m wrong but I would be surprised to see them beat unc.

Hoping this is a reverse jinx attempt (and that it works)

[CameronDuke]

Hoping this is a reverse jinx attempt (and that it works)

Haha, I just hope the Pack don’t disappoint me Monday night. No one needs unc going on a winning streak.

[Bay Area Duke Fan]

Haha, I just hope the Pack don’t disappoint me Monday night. No one needs unc going on a winning streak.

Roy does.

[arnie]

Haha, I just hope the Pack don’t disappoint me Monday night. No one needs unc going on a winning streak.

Yep, Keatts needs this one bad. At home to a weak Cheat team - a loss by the Pack and Ole Roy yuks it up driving the bus back to the dump.

[Acymetric]

Yeah, I agree that NCSU won’t make the NCAAT this year. I just don’t see it with them with that schedule you mentioned left.

I hope I’m wrong but something tells me they lay an egg Monday night in Raleigh vs unc. Again, I really hope I’m wrong but I would be surprised to see them beat unc.

I think they had a shot, but that even though it is admittedly early I think that loss to GT pretty much torpedoed their chances.

Is it possible the ACC only gets three teams in?

[arnie]

I think they had a shot, but that even though it is admittedly early I think that loss to GT pretty much torpedoed their chances.

Is it possible the ACC only gets three teams in?

Hard to pick which ACC teams may get 4th or 5th spots; but somebody surely gets warm at the end and beats all the lower level teams?

I don’t think it’s State due to their schedule, but maybe VaT, UVA or Syracuse. Think I just talked myself out of 4 making it.

[CameronDuke]

FSU up 47-37 at the half on Notre Dame in Tallahassee.

[CameronDuke]

I think they had a shot, but that even though it is admittedly early I think that loss to GT pretty much torpedoed their chances.

Is it possible the ACC only gets three teams in?

I think the ACC ends up getting 5 teams into the dance this year (presuming Louisville, FSU, or Duke cut down the nets in Greensboro to secure the ACC’s automatic bid).

Louisville, Duke, FSU are locks.

Cuse is probable to me. Their schedule the rest of the way isn’t too bad: at Clemson, vs Duke, vs Wake, vs NCSU, at FSU, at Louisville, vs GT, at Pitt, vs unc, at BC, at Miami. They’re a hot team right now and I think they get to 12-13 ACC regular season wins.

I don’t think NCSU dances this year. Their schedule the rest of the way is brutal: vs unc, vs Louisville, at Miami, at Cuse, at BC, vs Duke, vs FSU, at unc, vs Pitt, at Duke, vs Wake. Today’s loss was big for them. Plenty of season left but they only have 4 ACC wins. I don’t know if they’ll get to 12 ACC wins. They’d have to go 8-4 from here on out to end 12-8. Monday’s game vs unc is a must win for them. That’s a telling game. If they drop that one I’d bet the farm they don’t dance this year.

I think UVa will sneak in. Their defense is still elite. If they somehow can figure out how to score even at a mediocre clip as well as finish games, they could win a lot down the stretch. Again, their defense will keep them in most if not all games from here on out. They have: at Wake, vs FSU, vs Clemson, at Louisville, vs ND, at unc, vs BC, at Pitt, at VT, vs Duke, at Miami, vs Louisville. I think they COULD win 12-13 ACC games and sneak in.

I think the ACC gets 5: Louisville, FSU, Duke, Cuse, and UVa (the Hoos just still play such tough defense).

[SavDukeGrad]

Hard to pick which ACC teams may get 4th or 5th spots; but somebody surely gets warm at the end and beats all the lower level teams?

I don’t think it’s State due to their schedule, but maybe VaT, UVA or Syracuse. Think I just talked myself out of 4 making it.

Syracuse is on a 5 game winning streak. I don’t know about the quality of their wins, but I think they could be the team to break out of the pack. They seem to have really improved, and I think they could be dangerous, with that zone and 3 players who can light it up from three.

[Music man55]

Yea. I agree with most of the other posters above, the Wolf pack will get their fur blown off against the cheating you know what's Monday night. I hate to think it, but I see the cheats in a runaway win against State.

[CameronDuke]

FSU hangs on to beat Notre Dame 85-84 in Tallahassee. FSU nearly blew the game at the end however.

FSU improves to 17-2, 7-1.

Notre Dame falls to 11-8, 2-6.

[CameronDuke]

One ACC game on the schedule for tomorrow:

UVa (12-6, 4-4) -4.5 at Wake (9-9, 2-6).

[devildeac]

Yep, Keatts needs this one bad. At home to a weak Cheat team - a loss by the Pack and Ole Roy yuks it up driving the bus back to the dump.

Probably while he throws some NCSU players under it...

[CameronDuke]

Mike Brey had some choice words about the officiating after last night’s game in Tallahassee vs the Noles. He thought Notre Dame got hosed.

Mike Brey: "Sometimes we're treated by the officials like we haven't brought football as a full member, but yet we get a full share of the ACC Network TV. Are you kidding me? I'm frustrated, man."

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Mike Brey had some choice words about the officiating after last night’s game in Tallahassee vs the Noles. He thought Notre Dame got hosed.

Mike Brey: "Sometimes we're treated by the officials like we haven't brought football as a full member, but yet we get a full share of the ACC Network TV. Are you kidding me? I'm frustrated, man."
If you watch his full 1 minute long post-game presser you’ll see he was a lot angrier than this one quote suggests. He walked out yelling and naming the specific referee about whom he was irate. Wow.

[JasonEvans]

I’d be surprised to see FSU win at UVa Tuesday night, too. The game in Tallahassee was a sloppy effort from both teams (FSU won 54-50) but I wasn’t overly impressed with how FSU looked against the UVa pack line defense (FSU shot 20-54 overall and 8-22 from 3 with 16 turnovers). If UVa figures out a way to have just a semblance of an offense, I think they’ll win.

Have you watched UVA play this season? We are talking about a team that is among the bottom 10 in the land at hitting 3s and among the bottom 10 in the land at getting to the FT line. They are an abomination on offense.

[Bluedog]

Mike Brey had some choice words about the officiating after last night’s game in Tallahassee vs the Noles. He thought Notre Dame got hosed.

Mike Brey: "Sometimes we're treated by the officials like we haven't brought football as a full member, but yet we get a full share of the ACC Network TV. Are you kidding me? I'm frustrated, man."

The thing that's funny about his theory is why in the world would officials care if ND brought football to the ACC?!?! The refs don't belong to a single conference and ref all over. I mean, it's possible you could theorize certain ACC office employees hold a grudge (but I still doubt that), but you honestly then think they'd tell basketball officials to be biased? Come on man...now I'm not saying ND didn't get hosed. (I didn't see the game.) Just saying his explanation for the motivation/bias is non-sensical.

[Tripping William]

Have you watched UVA play this season? We are talking about a team that is among the bottom 10 in the land at hitting 3s and among the bottom 10 in the land at getting to the FT line. They are an abomination on offense.

But we are also talking about Danny Manning’s Wake team. No more need be said.

[gofurman]

The thing that's funny about his theory is why in the world would officials care if ND brought football to the ACC?!?! The refs don't belong to a single conference and ref all over. I mean, it's possible you could theorize certain ACC office employees hold a grudge (but I still doubt that), but you honestly then think they'd tell basketball officials to be biased? Come on man...now I'm not saying ND didn't get hosed. (I didn't see the game.) Just saying his explanation for the motivation/bias is non-sensical.

ND has had it tough with close losses - they are a better team than the WL record indicates.
lost to IU by 2
beat Syracuse by 1 -that's shows strength (AT Syracuse
lost at State by 5
lost to Louisville by 3 (that's really strong)
won at GT by 4
lost to Syracuse by 2
lost at FSU by 1

they are literally even with everyone including FSU and Louisville. They are that 'underrated' team that can beat anyone.

[CameronDuke]

Have you watched UVA play this season? We are talking about a team that is among the bottom 10 in the land at hitting 3s and among the bottom 10 in the land at getting to the FT line. They are an abomination on offense.

Yes, I have watched close to all of their league games and most of their out of conference games. UVa hasn’t trailed at the under 4 TV timeout in any of its 8 ACC games. Tied twice, leads in the other 6 games. Yet they’re only 4-4 overall. They are a couple of bounces here or there away from being 5-3 or 6-2 in the ACC. They still have the 2nd best defense in the country according to Kenpom. True, their offense has been atrocious this year and is trending towards statistically being the worst offense in ACC history. I just don’t see that happening. It’s possible but highly unlikely. I’m not saying they’ll get drastically better offensively but I think Tony Bennett will figure something out to start making the ball go thru the net more and get them into the NCAAT. The way they defend, they can hang with most of the teams in the ACC this year. Their defense is still dominant. They just need to hit shots at a slightly higher clip and finish games and they could muck out a 12-8, 13-7 type season in the ACC and dance.

[CameronBornAndBred]

Originally Posted by CameronDuke View Post
I’d be surprised to see FSU win at UVa Tuesday night, too. The game in Tallahassee was a sloppy effort from both teams (FSU won 54-50) but I wasn’t overly impressed with how FSU looked against the UVa pack line defense (FSU shot 20-54 overall and 8-22 from 3 with 16 turnovers). If UVa figures out a way to have just a semblance of an offense, I think they’ll win.

Have you watched UVA play this season? We are talking about a team that is among the bottom 10 in the land at hitting 3s and among the bottom 10 in the land at getting to the FT line. They are an abomination on offense.

Isn't that exactly what CameronDuke is saying? He didn't say they are good on offense, he said IF they find a way to be reasonable. I tend to agree with him. Not optimistic that they will make it happen, but if they do, then they would be a team you don't want to play in the post season.

[jhmoss1812]

Have you watched UVA play this season? We are talking about a team that is among the bottom 10 in the land at hitting 3s and among the bottom 10 in the land at getting to the FT line. They are an abomination on offense.

If we shoot a mere 30% from 3 instead of 26.7% from 3, we are likely sitting at 2-3 losses instead of 6. We have been tied or led at the under 4 timeout in all 8 ACC games. It's crazy how small our margin or error is right now. We just don't have any alphas to close games like we had last year. With that said, I don't think there's a team left on our schedule that we can't beat. I also don't think there's a team left on our schedule that can't beat us. Our defense is strong enough that it should keep us in most games. Our offense is weak enough that it should keep our opponent in most games.

Fortunately, I'm just sitting back enjoying this year and not really worrying about wins and losses. The natty last year is allowing me to watch this season as stress-free as ever. We have a very good recruiting class coming in next year and Hauser will be eligible. I obviously don't expect the level of dominance that we've had in the last 5-6 years but I am not that concerned about a massive downward spiral either.

[sagegrouse]

If we shoot a mere 30% from 3 instead of 26.7% from 3, we are likely sitting at 2-3 losses instead of 6. We have been tied or led at the under 4 timeout in all 8 ACC games. It's crazy how small our margin or error is right now. We just don't have any alphas to close games like we had last year. With that said, I don't think there's a team left on our schedule that we can't beat. I also don't think there's a team left on our schedule that can't beat us. Our defense is strong enough that it should keep us in most games. Our offense is weak enough that it should keep our opponent in most games.

Fortunately, I'm just sitting back enjoying this year and not really worrying about wins and losses. The natty last year is allowing me to watch this season as stress-free as ever. We have a very good recruiting class coming in next year and Hauser will be eligible. I obviously don't expect the level of dominance that we've had in the last 5-6 years but I am not that concerned about a massive downward spiral either.

Always appreciate your comments. Using "we" for UVa is confusing -- not disrespectful -- just confusing.

[jhmoss1812]

Always appreciate your comments. Using "we" for UVa is confusing -- not disrespectful -- just confusing.

I use "we" because I feel like I could also shoot 26.7% from 3 point land. I apologize for the confusion though. I'll try to be more mindful in my future posts.

[CameronDuke]

Wake is up 35-28 at the half on UVa in Winston-Salem. Wake got blistering hot from 3 that half, finishing 6-9 (66.7%) from 3. Wake also finished 11-12 (91.7%) from the free throw line. UVa shot better than their season average from 3, finishing 4-11 (36.4%) from 3.

Wake is playing without their top two scorers, Brandon Childress and Chaundee Brown.

[CameronDuke]

OT in Winston-Salem.

56-56 game between UVa and Wake.

[CameronDuke]

UVa survives in OT at Wake 65-63.

UVa improves to 13-6, 5-4.

Wake falls to 9-10, 2-7.

Another awful season is shaping up for Danny Manning and the Wake Forest basketball program. They played tough and short handed today but look again to be a cellar dweller in the ACC again this year at 2-7 in the league thus far.

Danny Manning is now 74-103 overall and 26-73 in ACC regular season games in this his 6th season as the head Men’s basketball coach at Wake Forest. He has not won an NCAAT game yet.

[kmspeaks]

That punk was getting away with that crap all night. He threw an elbow too and they gave a double tech. Which was bunk. After watching that game it; maybe Coach K is onto something. Besides the poor sportsmanship, UVA was routinely holding, mugging, and literally jumping into players expecting the charge every time. It made more sense regarding Ks comments about movement of the offensive player and how the refs are struggling with interpreting the rule. Wolfpack deserved to win and they did.

I know DBR has basically been a UVA love fest the last few years and we have some great Cavalier fans who are regular posters but the bolded wasn't just that game. That is Virginia basketball. They are extremely physical, especially off the ball, and I for the life of me can not figure out why 1. referees allow it, and 2. the talking heads laud it as great defense. Unfortunately freedom of movement is like a balanced budget in DC....often promised, never delivered.

[Troublemaker]

Yeah, I agree that NCSU won’t make the NCAAT this year. I just don’t see it with them with that schedule you mentioned left.

I hope I’m wrong but something tells me they lay an egg Monday night in Raleigh vs unc. Again, I really hope I’m wrong but I would be surprised to see them beat unc.

I mean, your gut feeling is probably just a combination of (a) UNC winning by like 30 in their previous game and (b) NCSU losing to GaTech without Michael Devoe (probably GT's best player) in *its* previous game.

That said, give me NCSU tonight, especially if they get back either Bates or Andree from injury. I don't think UNC beating up on an injury-ravaged Miami sways me much.

[CameronDuke]

I mean, your gut feeling is probably just a combination of (a) UNC winning by like 30 in their previous game and (b) NCSU losing to GaTech without Michael Devoe (probably GT's best player) in *its* previous game.

That said, give me NCSU tonight, especially if they get back either Bates or Andree from injury. I don't think UNC beating up on an injury-ravaged Miami sways me much.

I would absolutely love to see NCSU beat up on unc tonight. Would make me feel a lot better about things.

[English]

I know DBR has basically been a UVA love fest the last few years and we have some great Cavalier fans who are regular posters but the bolded wasn't just that game. That is Virginia basketball. They are extremely physical, especially off the ball, and I for the life of me can not figure out why 1. referees allow it, and 2. the talking heads laud it as great defense. Unfortunately freedom of movement is like a balanced budget in DC...often promised, never delivered.

DBR has been pretty overt in its view that UVA "defense" is basically tantamount to manhandling the opponent with little-to-no official intervention. It's been mentioned frequently in the Duke-UVA pregame & in-game threads over the past few years. Of course, there has also been plenty of recognition that Tony Bennett has built a formidable program, they've given Duke and the ACC all they can handle and more, and the 'Hoo posters around here are more reasonable visitors than could be typically expected of rival fanbases. The first underlying point is not mutually exclusive from the rest, though. YMMV, of course.