So Zion Wanted to Come Back This Year?

[slower]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=207&v=Cciu7HhZeVg&feature=emb_logo

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[uh_no]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=207&v=Cciu7HhZeVg&feature=emb_logo

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i think it was said, maybe by him, that had he not healed up, he would have come back for round 2. Now, I imagine coach K would have told him straight up that moving on was probably the right decision.

I hope that he continues to be a great representative for the university.

[Jaks19]

I was employed as a HS athlete college placement director for 6 years. Giving and a player, their family and such clear and honest feedback is not always easy. It would have been a no brainer that K would have taken another year from Zion, but like what was written, what was left for him in college? Everything he needed for development he could get in the Pro's.

As a fan, I would have loved to seen him on this team next to Vernon, but as a professional who guides young adults, K was correct.

[CameronBornAndBred]

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[Fish80]

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That ship has sailed.

[Tripping William]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=207&v=Cciu7HhZeVg&feature=emb_logo

Check it out.

Well worth every bit of the 28 minutes to watch. All three participants (JJ, Zion, and Tommy Alter) are incredibly engaging. Really good stuff.

[proelitedota]

Yeah.

Zion wanting to stay was evident and common knowledge.

Last time he said he would have came back if the money wasn't an issue.

[flyingdutchdevil]

i think it was said, maybe by him, that had he not healed up, he would have come back for round 2. Now, I imagine coach K would have told him straight up that moving on was probably the right decision.

I hope that he continues to be a great representative for the university.

In what scenario or world is Zion not going pro the right move?

He is the most marketable rookie since Lebron. Duke is a pawn compared to Zion in the NBA.

[JasonEvans]

I want to eat ice cream, pie, and steak for every meal, every day... but that doesn't mean it is a good idea or I am really considering doing it.

That said, I love that Zion so enjoyed his time at Duke that he wished it could last longer. That says a lot about the Brotherhood and the staff.

[LasVegas]

In what scenario or world is Zion not going pro the right move?

He is the most marketable rookie since Lebron. Duke is a pawn compared to Zion in the NBA.

A world where one believes money isn’t everything. My experience at college was the best 4 years of my life and helped me grow into an adult.

[scottdude8]

Not gonna lie, reading this made my heart hurt just a bit. So many one-and-dones have said the right things and “gone through the motions” about loving their college experience and considering a year 2. It honestly seems like this isn’t just talk from Zion. Obviously he made the right choice, but thinking of the possibilities again is like reopening an old scab, haha.

On the bright side: what a recruiting tool! “Zion loved his time here so much we had to convince him to go pro. You wanna come to Duke?”

[flyingdutchdevil]

A world where one believes money isn’t everything. My experience at college was the best 4 years of my life and helped me grow into an adult.

I assume you were a D1 athlete who had the opportunity to make $10M+ per year for the next 15-20 years?

And if I were to offer you this $10M+ per year after you freshman year, you'd say no?

College was amazing. The second best time of my life after business school. But I'm not saying no to that kind of money if i was offered.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Not gonna lie, reading this made my heart hurt just a bit. So many one-and-dones have said the right things and “gone through the motions” about loving their college experience and considering a year 2. It honestly seems like this isn’t just talk from Zion. Obviously he made the right choice, but thinking of the possibilities again is like reopening an old scab, haha.

On the bright side: what a recruiting tool! “Zion loved his time here so much we had to convince him to go pro. You wanna come to Duke?”

You actually believe Zion or you think this is PR? Kinda like when you tell your ex "it's not you, it's me"?

I truly think Zion loves Duke. I think Zion likes potential world domination better (as he should).

[bundabergdevil]

You actually believe Zion or you think this is PR? Kinda like when you tell your ex "it's not you, it's me"?

I truly think Zion loves Duke. I think Zion likes potential world domination better (as he should).

Yeah, I imagine some kids coming through Duke are just antsy to move on and some are still basically kids, albeit high performing ones. For the kids, I’m sure there’s a sense of nostalgia and a general awareness of what becoming a global brand means they have to give up. Zion strikes me as in the second group and I can think of a few guys that have come through that thought they were Zion types and were in that first group...and were later disappointed.

[uh_no]

In what scenario or world is Zion not going pro the right move?


in a world where his family is already worth 100 million dollars, and he wants to hang with his friends and wreck people for another year.

Where he wants to win a natty and actually get the opportunity to torch UNC in cameron.

College is fun. I have no doubt that many players find playing in college more fun than playing in the NBA.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

A world where one believes money isn’t everything. My experience at college was the best 4 years of my life and helped me grow into an adult.

Weak sauce, a platitude, a cliche, and way too shallow to really explain the nuances of the Zion dynamic. Money isn't everything, but money is important, and risk is a reality.

[BD80]

I want to eat ice cream, pie, and steak for every meal, every day... but that doesn't mean it is a good idea ...

Ummm ... (mumbling with mouth full) … what?

[fuse]

Completely tangential...

I loved my college experience, and had more fun than I deserved.
That said, I like to believe the best times of my life are always ahead of me.

[uh_no]

Completely tangential...

I loved my college experience, and had more fun than I deserved.
That said, I like to believe the best times of my life are always ahead of me.

While I'm sure many think that way, even if one does, there's always some tradeoff. I'm not sure anyone will ever be in a place where friends are in such close proximity at almost all hours, nor where you can have the opportunity to learn, usually unencumbered by being committed to someone paying your livelihood.

I've been lucky enough to keep some of that in my life still, and definitely having a great time in life, but there are still things I miss about my time at duke, and I imagine that's true of many if not most alumni.

The alcohol is a lot better now :)

[devildeac]

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Another one of your paintings? :eek:

;)

[LasVegas]

I assume you were a D1 athlete who had the opportunity to make $10M+ per year for the next 15-20 years?

And if I were to offer you this $10M+ per year after you freshman year, you'd say no?

College was amazing. The second best time of my life after business school. But I'm not saying no to that kind of money if i was offered.

I’ve had the chance, and still do, to double my salary. Now it’s not close to $10 million but i could do a lot with that extra cash. The only issue is that this new job would take me away from my young kids for the majority of the week. A straight deal breaker to me. No amount of money could ever buy my time spent with my kids.

So money isn’t that important to me. There are so many other things in life that I enjoy more than the money in my bank account.

[WiJoe]

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that's a beauty!

[HereBeforeCoachK]

I’ve had the chance, and still do, to double my salary. Now it’s not close to $10 million but i could do a lot with that extra cash. The only issue is that this new job would take me away from my young kids for the majority of the week. A straight deal breaker to me. No amount of money could ever buy my time spent with my kids.

So money isn’t that important to me. There are so many other things in life that I enjoy more than the money in my bank account.

No analogy, not applicable on so many levels - but man a nice virtue signal you got going there.

Last I heard, Zion was not leaving kids behind by going to the NBA. But after this year, he'll have enough money to do whatever he needs to do for however many kids he ends up having.

[JayZee]

I want to eat ice cream, pie, and steak for every meal, every day... but that doesn't mean it is a good idea or I am really considering doing it.

That said, I love that Zion so enjoyed his time at Duke that he wished it could last longer. That says a lot about the Brotherhood and the staff.

Imagine a scenario where he could sign with an agent, make $$ off his likeness, and even sign a sneaker deal. Then it’s easy to envision a scenario where a kid like Zion would stay around for 2-3 years. Who’s in the way of that? The NCAA. And frankly, for a guy like Zion, it even makes $ sense for them. But, but, they would lose some control. And they will go down kicking and screaming before they lose control...

[Kfanarmy]

In what scenario or world is Zion not going pro the right move?...

In the scenario where enjoying the life he was leading was more valued than one he didn't know. Not everyone/everything in life is valued in $'s.


Weak sauce, a platitude, a cliche, and way too shallow to really explain the nuances of the Zion dynamic. Money isn't everything, but money is important, and risk is a reality.

This your value system shared with a lot of people, others find it "weak sauce." I suspect there are a lot more stories than you realize of ppl who value more in life than money and make different choices.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

This your value system shared with a lot of people, others find it "weak sauce." I suspect there are a lot more stories than you realize of ppl who value more in life than money and make different choices.

I'm sorry I didn't make it clear enough for you to understand. "Things more important than money" in this case is a shallow surface platitude that insults the very unique decision and risk reward equation that someone like Zion has to make. I don't disagree with the concept that there are things more important than money, I just think that's such a cliche that it is useless and meaningless in this situation. Your virtue signal and insult was very uncalled for. It's not about the value, it's about the shallowness of that cliche. I'll keep it simpler in the future.

[weezie]

Still, I think playing for Duke is a lot of fun and Zion is a fun guy.

Wish him nothing but the best.

[MCFinARL]

That ship has sailed.

A picture is worth four words.

[Kfanarmy]

I'm sorry I didn't make it clear enough for you to understand. "Things more important than money" in this case is a shallow surface platitude that insults the very unique decision and risk reward equation that someone like Zion has to make. I don't disagree with the concept that there are things more important than money, I just think that's such a cliche that it is useless and meaningless in this situation. Your virtue signal and insult was very uncalled for. It's not about the value, it's about the shallowness of that cliche. I'll keep it simpler in the future.

Look. You are arguing against people agreeing with the emotions and words of Zion who actually faced this choice, and was apparently close to making a different decision. Downnplaying other people's opinion through passive aggressive implications that their thoughts are platitudes and cliches demonstrates, frankly, a childlike inability to understand the most vast diversity of mankind: uniqueness of thought and feeling.

You don't need to "keep it simpler." But you might want to develop some depth in understanding that not everyone else's happiness is achieved the way you believe it should.

[bundabergdevil]

Well worth every bit of the 28 minutes to watch. All three participants (JJ, Zion, and Tommy Alter) are incredibly engaging. Really good stuff.

There were a lot of interesting tidbits in the interview in addition to Zion admitting he considered coming back.

1. Coach K, his parents, and virtually everyone wouldn't let him come back.

2. He never considered shutting it down after UNC, despite many people telling him to. He would have felt selfish.

3. The rookies are required to bring Chick-fil-a on team planes.

4. JJ may get run out of NO for his comments on the food so far.

I also thought JJ's comments that in all his time in the league he'd only witnessed one player miss a game for being hungover, which is usually listed as 'flu-like symptoms' of the like. In my 20s, while not a regular occurrence, I can attest that I called in sick with 'flu-like symptoms' more than once!

[wavedukefan70s]

I’ve had the chance, and still do, to double my salary. Now it’s not close to $10 million but i could do a lot with that extra cash. The only issue is that this new job would take me away from my young kids for the majority of the week. A straight deal breaker to me. No amount of money could ever buy my time spent with my kids.

So money isn’t that important to me. There are so many other things in life that I enjoy more than the money in my bank account.
Absolutely agree.i had the money had to lose time with my 1st born.i gave up 40 to 60k a year to be there for my younger two.somethings you cant get back or replace.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Look. You are arguing against people agreeing with the emotions and words of Zion who actually faced this choice, and was apparently close to making a different decision. Downnplaying other people's opinion through passive aggressive implications that their thoughts are platitudes and cliches demonstrates, frankly, a childlike inability to understand the most vast diversity of mankind: uniqueness of thought and feeling.

You don't need to "keep it simpler." But you might want to develop some depth in understanding that not everyone else's happiness is achieved the way you believe it should.

Your statement in black is simply not what happened, not at all. It was my opinion that was downgraded in the light of meaningless platitudes, and the judgmental attitude came at me first.
In red, you kind of prove that indeed I need to make it simpler, because your'e still nowhere close to reality. I actually come down with Zion, in that it was tough, but a necessary and wise decision. Zion is not like Grant Hill.....a family with money and connections even if pro ball didn't work out due to injury. And before you respond to that, remember that K SELLS THOSE CONNECTIONS through Duke as a recruiting tool (as he should). It's what ticked Calipari off.

And Zion was not "close" - actually in reality - even if he was there emotionally. It makes a great story now, and should help Duke recruiting even more. It was NEVER EVER gonna happen. Parents and coaches set the emotion aside and did what was best for the young man, which at 18, many young men need.

[JNort]

Eh they usually say that. Reality is most people arent going to turn down millions of dollars doing something they love to take tests, attend class, and increase your chance at losing said money because of an injury. I'm just happy he enjoyed his time.

[House P]

in a world where his family is already worth 100 million dollars, and he wants to hang with his friends and wreck people for another year.

Where he wants to win a natty and actually get the opportunity to torch UNC in cameron.

College is fun. I have no doubt that many players find playing in college more fun than playing in the NBA.

How about a world where a player can sign a $75M shoe contract and still be eligible to play in the NCAA? Depending on how the NIL rights legislation efforts end up working out, there is a non-zero chance that we may be living in this world at some point in the near future. That would certainly change the financial aspects of the decision for the "next Zion".

[wavedukefan70s]

How about a world where a player can sign a $75M shoe contract and still be eligible to play in the NCAA? Depending on how the NIL rights legislation efforts end up working out, there is a non-zero chance that we may be living in this world at some point in the near future. That would certainly change the financial aspects of the decision for the "next Zion".

Agree

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

How about a world where a player can sign a $75M shoe contract and still be eligible to play in the NCAA? Depending on how the NIL rights legislation efforts end up working out, there is a non-zero chance that we may be living in this world at some point in the near future. That would certainly change the financial aspects of the decision for the "next Zion".

But we must preserve the sanctity of college sports!

/Clutches pearls