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Bob Green
11-13-2019, 04:46 PM
Discuss the game here.

AGDukesky
11-13-2019, 06:57 PM
This looks like a little bit of an improvement in competition compared to the last two games. Iíll be impressed with a win over 20 points.

brevity
11-13-2019, 07:49 PM
I know very little about Georgia State, so my scouting report is only slightly better than saying nothing.

Georgia State won the Sun Belt and made the NCAA Tournament in 2018 (first round loss to Cincinnati) and 2019 (first round loss to Houston). What a difference a year makes. Followers of Halftime Trivia -- an exclusive feature of DBR Chat -- may recall that Devin Mitchell, a Georgia State senior last year, is Jordan Goldwire's cousin. His graduation is one of many changes to this team, which lost 4 double-digit scorers (including Mitchell) and coach Ron Hunter, who took his swivel chair to Tulane.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqWRwM1eeBA

In his place is Rob Lanier, who was most recently an assistant coach under Rick Barnes at Texas and Tennessee, but has also had prior head coaching experience (Siena, 2001-2005) and ACC experience (Virginia assistant, 2005-2007). He also has a cousin you've heard of, NBA legend Bob Lanier.

The GSU roster (https://georgiastatesports.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster) returns one double-digit scorer from last season (junior guard Kane Williams) and only one other player with significant experience as a starter (redshirt senior guard Damon Wilson). While size doesn't tell the whole story, they have a lot of it: 5 players who are 6'8" or taller in the frontcourt, plus 4 backcourt or wing players who are 6'5" or 6'6".

Finally, one of those 6'5" guards is sophomore guard Jojo Toppin, which should be one of the better names we see this season.

Bob Green
11-13-2019, 07:57 PM
Finally, one of those 6'5" guards is sophomore guard Jojo Toppin, which should be one of the better names we see this season.

Is his cousin Mr Mojo Risin? He played for UCLA.

brevity
11-13-2019, 08:02 PM
Is his cousin Mr Mojo Risin? He played for UCLA.

Not sure. My sources tell me Jojo was a man who thought he was a loner, and he did take a trip from Arizona to California, so...

ndkjr70
11-13-2019, 08:05 PM
This looks like a little bit of an improvement in competition compared to the last two games. Iíll be impressed with a win over 20 points.

Based on.... what? They just lost to College of Charleston. Their tournament team from the last two seasons is largely graduated.

I expect the line to be close to -25.0, and I wouldnít hesitate taking that.

AGDukesky
11-13-2019, 08:20 PM
Based on... what? They just lost to College of Charleston. Their tournament team from the last two seasons is largely graduated.

I expect the line to be close to -25.0, and I wouldnít hesitate taking that.

Sagarin rating and playing even on the road against an okay Charleston team

Devilwin
11-14-2019, 07:12 AM
Evansville says hello. Let's not get too happy just yet..But I feel a win in the 18 to 23 point range.

Bomar
11-14-2019, 09:48 AM
I am going to the game tomorrow. My Wife and Mom got me tickets in the Student Section for my 40th birthday. I can't wait! We'll drive up from Charlotte tomorrow, should be a fun day.

How early should I get to Cameron? I have already scouted my route to the Small / Large circuit garages. I would just like an idea of when I should arrive.

If GA State is a big team, I hope to see some great swarming defense from Tre and Goldwire!

Music man55
11-14-2019, 10:06 AM
This looks like a little bit of an improvement in competition compared to the last two games. Iíll be impressed with a win over 20 points.

Agree. Ga. St. Appears to be quite capable of giving us alot more fight than our previous game. But with Tre leading the way with our defensive pressure, I expect Duke to generate quite a few turnovers again. One nice bonus would be some more three point shooting like Tuesday night. Hope Wendell Moore keeps gaining momentum every game, he might just end up being the X factor for this team in the long run. Go Duke!

Neals384
11-14-2019, 10:24 AM
Here are some factoids pulled from box scores. GS is 1-1, but the win was 104-35 vs. Division X Brewston-Parker, so I'm only looking at the loss the Charleston and prior season numbers. Here are the 5 starters:

6'3" Junior Guard Kane Williams is the man. The man who shot 4 for 18 against Charleston, with a miss from 3 and two turnovers in the final 2 minutes as Georgia State let a close game get away. Last season he averaged 11 points on 50% shooting (40% from 3) and 3.5 assists.

5'9" Sophomore Guard Justin Roberts was leading scorer against Charleston: 22 points on 7 for 9 shooting, 3 assists and 2 steals.

6'9" 245 pd Freshman Joe Jones III is the man in the middle. Against Charleston he had 2 points, 4 boards, 2 blocks and just 1 foul in 22 minutes.

6'2" Junior Guard Corey Allen averaged 14 pts in 2 seasons with Detroit Mercy before sitting out last year. He had 9 pts and 5 turnovers against Charleston.

6'5" Senior Guard Damon Wilson had 4 pts, 3 boards, 2 assists and 4 turnovers before fouling out in just 16 minutes. ESPN shows no prior season stats, so I guess he's been hiding under a rock for 3 seasons.

Off the bench vs. Charleston:

6'4" Sophomore Guard Nelson Phillips had 5 points on (1-8 shooting) 6 boards, 3 turnovers in 24 minutes before fouling out in crunch time. Last season he averaged 5 points in 13 minutes.

6'8" junior forward Josh Linder had 19 points on 6-7 shooting and 12 boards in 23 minutes. He averaged just 4 minutes his first two seasons. Expect him to start vs. Duke.

6'6" Sophomore Forward Kavonte Ivory fouled out in 10 minutes.

6'10" Freshman Forward Jalen Thomas had 4 pts, 2 board and 2 steals in 11 minutes.

Overall, GS had 19 turnovers and 28 fouls vs. Charleston (3 end-of-game "intentional"). To stay on the court with Duke, they'll need to take care of the ball and watch their fouls. They'll need improved play from senior Wilson, fewer (or better) shots from Williams, plus continued strong play from Roberts and Linder.

sagegrouse
11-14-2019, 10:36 AM
Should be mentioned that Georgia State was Lefty Driesell's last coaching position, 1997-2003. Best team was 29-5 in 2001 -- made it to the NCAA second round.

uh_no
11-14-2019, 10:49 AM
This looks like a little bit of an improvement in competition compared to the last two games. Iíll be impressed with a win over 20 points.

given that we're projected to win by 25, and that this team is on the same level as csu, whom we beat by 34, I would not be.

DukeFanSince1990
11-14-2019, 02:43 PM
They seem to have a Key & Peele character on their roster.

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Natty_B
11-14-2019, 02:48 PM
Sagarin rating and playing even on the road against an okay Charleston team

Kenpom has Georgia State at 165 and Colorado State at 147

uh_no
11-14-2019, 02:52 PM
Kenpom has Georgia State at 165 and Colorado State at 147

while KP and sagarin don't mean too too much this early in the year, i don't see anything to make me think any of CSU, GaSt or charleston are particularly good teams such that we should be impressed by a 20 point win. Maybe we won't win by 20, who knows, but it won't mean much in either case.

Bob Green
11-14-2019, 04:04 PM
Jim Sumner article on front page:

https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2019/11/14/20962655/next-up-georgia-state-duke-basketball-cameron-indoor-stadium

Georgia State turns the ball over a lot so Duke will look to turn turnovers into transition points.

jimsumner
11-14-2019, 04:22 PM
Jim Sumner article on front page:

https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2019/11/14/20962655/next-up-georgia-state-duke-basketball-cameron-indoor-stadium

Georgia State turns the ball over a lot so Duke will look to turn turnovers into transition points.

That's Julian's.

Bob Green
11-14-2019, 04:24 PM
That's Julian's.

Oops. Thanks for the correction. :o

Billy Dat
11-14-2019, 05:31 PM
Finally, one of those 6'5" guards is sophomore guard Jojo Toppin, which should be one of the better names we see this season.

They seem to have a Key & Peele character on their roster....Jojo Toppin

I looked up Jojo Toppin thinking he might be related to some kids local to my area with the same unique last name...Obadiah "Obi" Toppin - projected 1st round 2020 NBA draftee balling out for Dayton and his younger brother Jacob Toppin, a freshman at Rhode Island. These Toppins are from Ossining, NY, the same hometown as Duke 2021 verbal commit AJ Griffin...and you'd think Ossining High School would be a powerhouse, but these days all of the local public school talent gets grabbed up by the local catholic high school powerhouses (Stepinac, Fordham Prep) or they head to prep school.

But I digress...Jojo Toppin does have a Duke connection, he played with Jordan Goldwire at Norcross High School in Georgia.

I am most interested to see what K does with line-ups and match-ups. At this point, I think only Tre, Cassius and Vernon are guaranteed starters for this game. K seems to be having a lot of fun bludgeoning teams with defense, and he sometimes goes to defense heavy line-ups (e.g. Tre, Cassius, Wendell, Jack, Javin) in an attempt to just demoralize the other team before he swaps in someone for a little scoring punch. When we blow these teams out, we don't really get much insight into how he might deploy this strategy in a closer game, but you can see him tinkering with it.

Truth&Justise
11-14-2019, 06:44 PM
I am going to the game tomorrow. My Wife and Mom got me tickets in the Student Section for my 40th birthday. I can't wait! We'll drive up from Charlotte tomorrow, should be a fun day.

How early should I get to Cameron? I have already scouted my route to the Small / Large circuit garages. I would just like an idea of when I should arrive.

If GA State is a big team, I hope to see some great swarming defense from Tre and Goldwire!

Congrats, I'm jealous that I can't be there!

Heads up that roads around the stadium will start closing a few hours before the game (apologies, I'm not sure exactly when). But if it were me, there's no amount of time that's too early. Soak in every moment in Cameron, watch the warmups, enjoy the whole process!

rhynelander
11-15-2019, 12:47 PM
Not sure. My sources tell me Jojo was a man who thought he was a loner, and he did take a trip from Arizona to California, so...

Now I thought the story was that JoJo was from Tuscon and made the trip west to procure California grass. But perhaps my Colorado grass is throwing me off.

rsvman
11-15-2019, 01:03 PM
Now I thought the story was that JoJo was from Tuscon and made the trip west to procure California grass. But perhaps my Colorado grass is throwing me off.
This sounds correct, but in my opinion, JoJo needs to get back.

uh_no
11-15-2019, 05:55 PM
tre is warming up

proelitedota
11-15-2019, 06:16 PM
Not sure. My sources tell me Jojo was a man who thought he was a loner, and he did take a trip from Arizona to California, so...

That trip was Jojo's Bizzare Adventure...

SavDukeGrad
11-15-2019, 06:30 PM
Looks like white uniforms tonight. :)

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11-15-2019, 06:33 PM
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Indoor66
11-15-2019, 06:54 PM
Lets go Duke.

Lets go Gardner-Webb.

SavDukeGrad
11-15-2019, 07:01 PM
For those w/o ACCN, itís temporarily on ESPNews

House G
11-15-2019, 07:02 PM
Iíve got volleyball.

4Gen
11-15-2019, 07:09 PM
So disappointing. Volleyball.

Sigh

60sDukie
11-15-2019, 07:10 PM
So now we have to record espn news and ACCN to make sure we get the game?

AGDukesky
11-15-2019, 07:12 PM
Tre with a 3!

AGDukesky
11-15-2019, 07:21 PM
Bad couple of minutes mostly self-induced

Indoor66
11-15-2019, 07:30 PM
One more volleyball game to go!

ShaneRyan
11-15-2019, 07:30 PM
Anyone else seeing these annoying gray squares that flash over the feed on espn news? Driving me crazy

AGDukesky
11-15-2019, 07:32 PM
Anyone else seeing these annoying gray squares that flash over the feed on espn news? Driving me crazy

Yes! I had to turn it off.

billwh
11-15-2019, 07:38 PM
It is on ESPN3. Georgia State up 26 to 25.

dukelilsis
11-15-2019, 07:51 PM
Does anyone have any word on why we arenít seeing Moore?

AGDukesky
11-15-2019, 07:53 PM
Does anyone have any word on why we arenít seeing Moore?

He was terrible. Out of control and looked lost.

dukelion
11-15-2019, 07:56 PM
If ACCN wanted a way to make people loathe them they've succeeded......smh.

Tre and Carey look phenomenal....the rest of the guys....meh.

Give Georgia St. credit......not playing scared and making loads of contested threes.

dukelilsis
11-15-2019, 07:58 PM
ThanksóI missed the beginning of the game and was just checking in case he was injured.

DUKIECB
11-15-2019, 08:01 PM
Had the DVR set and recorded volleyball. Nice job ACCN. I guess Iíll have to set my DVR to record ACCN, ESPN News and ESPN 2 every time I canít watch the game live. Ugh

freshmanjs
11-15-2019, 08:05 PM
ACCN is really terrible. Missing the first hour of a game? WTF.

rsvman
11-15-2019, 08:06 PM
I tried to record it, too. Missed the entire first half.
Judging by the score, maybe that wasn't such a bad thing...

ncexnyc
11-15-2019, 08:08 PM
What channel is the game on now? Took a break at the half and when I returned some boxing program is on.

SouthernDukie
11-15-2019, 08:14 PM
Back on ACCN now

dukelion
11-15-2019, 08:17 PM
Baker with the floor slap!

Steven43
11-15-2019, 08:23 PM
Tre Jones is playing at ACC First Team level.

rsvman
11-15-2019, 08:27 PM
Tre one on five. Who ya got?

slower
11-15-2019, 08:29 PM
Tre Jones is playing at ACC First Team level.

Unfortunately, the rest are playing at Sun Belt-average level.

Gonna be a LONG year.

AGDukesky
11-15-2019, 08:30 PM
This game has no flow and the rims have a cover on them. Duke is simply not sharp...

SouthernDukie
11-15-2019, 08:31 PM
For anyone that saw the entire 1st half: I see that Alex started the game but havenít seen him at all since I started watching (about 5 minutes to go in the first half). Did he tweak an ankle or something? Or is he suddenly in the doghouse for poor play in the first half? Just curious.

ShaneRyan
11-15-2019, 08:32 PM
For anyone that saw the entire 1st half: I see that Alex started the game but havenít seen him at all since I started watching (about 5 minutes to go in the first half). Did he tweak an ankle or something? Or is he suddenly in the doghouse for poor play in the first half? Just curious.

He's squarely in "AOC midseason terrified of his shadow" form

SouthernDukie
11-15-2019, 08:40 PM
He's squarely in "AOC midseason terrified of his shadow" form

Really?

scottdude8
11-15-2019, 08:41 PM
Different guys on different nights. That's what this team can do that we haven't been able to in recent years. Today it's Joey off the bench.

Good to see the guys work through a little adversity and respond. Especially in comparison to what we saw from Kentucky, that can't be discounted.

I think it's time to start getting excited about this group.

slower
11-15-2019, 08:44 PM
Different guys on different nights. That's what this team can do that we haven't been able to in recent years. Today it's Joey off the bench.

Good to see the guys work through a little adversity and respond. Especially in comparison to what we saw from Kentucky, that can't be discounted.

I think it's time to start getting excited about this group.

They're playing...Georgia State. I'm not excited yet. Hoping to get there.

dukelion
11-15-2019, 08:44 PM
Joey Baker the zone breaker!

Native
11-15-2019, 08:45 PM
I think it's time to start getting excited about this group.

I try to be excited about every team every season, but I agree ó I think this is the first team in a while that has an identity that is first and foremost rooted in defense. Theyíll definitely get outscored in some games but I love our effort on the defensive end of the ball, and itís clear that the team is taking Treís lead on that.

scottdude8
11-15-2019, 08:45 PM
They're playing...Georgia State. I'm not excited yet. Hoping to get there.

How about excited relative to the doom and gloom that was permeating this board after the exhibition games?

slower
11-15-2019, 08:49 PM
How about excited relative to the doom and gloom that was permeating this board after the exhibition games?

That last DeLaurier possession was exciting.

rocketeli
11-15-2019, 09:00 PM
Had the DVR set and recorded volleyball. Nice job ACCN. I guess Iíll have to set my DVR to record ACCN, ESPN News and ESPN 2 every time I canít watch the game live. Ugh

what's really annoying is knowing that the UNC-centric staff at ACCN is doing it on purpose to troll Duke fans--they did it with the last game on ACN as well.

chrishoke
11-15-2019, 09:01 PM
Stanly 2-12.