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bullettoothtony
11-11-2019, 10:11 PM
I don't doubt it... matches up with other stuff I've read and heard about him over the years.

link (https://www.bardown.com/jeremy-roenick-shared-an-insane-gambling-story-about-michael-jordan-from-their-playing-days-1.1396032)

JasonEvans
11-12-2019, 05:19 AM
I don't doubt it... matches up with other stuff I've read and heard about him over the years.

link (https://www.bardown.com/jeremy-roenick-shared-an-insane-gambling-story-about-michael-jordan-from-their-playing-days-1.1396032)

That is such a great MJ story... he was a basketball god. Most folks would tell a story like this and it would seem fake... with Michael, it seems entirely real.

Dr. Rosenrosen
11-12-2019, 05:47 AM
9F him.

brevity
11-12-2019, 08:27 AM
Shouldn’t this be moved to the Degenerate Gamblers (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?44297) thread?

Truth&Justise
11-12-2019, 09:13 AM
That is such a great MJ story... he was a basketball god. Most folks would tell a story like this and it would seem fake... with Michael, it seems entirely real.

It seems the twitter sleuths have yet to be able to find the game (https://twitter.com/RandleRant/status/1192848947120951297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1192848947120951297&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bardown.com%2Fjeremy-roenick-shares-insane-gambling-story-about-michael-jordan-from-their-playing-days-1.1396032) in question...Roenick may have been exaggerating a bit.

Here's a list of all games the Bulls won against the Cavs where Jordan scored 40 or more (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1989&year_max=1999&is_playoffs=N&game_result=W&age_min=0&age_max=99&opp_id=CLE&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&player_id=jordami01&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&order_by=pts). The most likely game is March 28, 1992 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199203280CHI.html), where Jordan scored 44 points and the Bulls won 126-102, but Jeremy Roenick played (and scored) in a game in Hartford, CT that night (https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/199203280HAR.html).

weezie
11-12-2019, 09:23 AM
9f him.


right on.

Pghdukie
11-12-2019, 10:11 AM
I've seen Roenick golf in person. He can be very good at times !

duke96
11-12-2019, 10:35 AM
No athlete has ever been better than Jeremy Roenick in Sega Hockey c. 1994

slower
11-12-2019, 10:58 AM
This story does nothing to reduce Jordan's status as a POS human being.

JasonEvans
11-12-2019, 11:01 AM
This story does nothing to reduce Jordan's status as a POS human being.

I admire his genius on the court and have a healthy disdain for just about everything else about him.

jv001
11-12-2019, 11:07 AM
Just another reason for me to dislike MJ. He's always been a "me or I" person. Putting personal gratification ahead of his team and team mates. Not playing golf but consuming 10 beers on top of playing at least 27 holes on game day. 9F him is right. GoDuke!

Acymetric
11-12-2019, 11:08 AM
It seems the twitter sleuths have yet to be able to find the game (https://twitter.com/RandleRant/status/1192848947120951297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1192848947120951297&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bardown.com%2Fjeremy-roenick-shares-insane-gambling-story-about-michael-jordan-from-their-playing-days-1.1396032) in question...Roenick may have been exaggerating a bit.

Here's a list of all games the Bulls won against the Cavs where Jordan scored 40 or more (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1989&year_max=1999&is_playoffs=N&game_result=W&age_min=0&age_max=99&opp_id=CLE&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&player_id=jordami01&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&order_by=pts). The most likely game is March 28, 1992 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199203280CHI.html), where Jordan scored 44 points and the Bulls won 126-102, but Jeremy Roenick played (and scored) in a game in Hartford, CT that night (https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/199203280HAR.html).

This was my assumption as soon as I read the article.

Edouble
11-12-2019, 01:22 PM
It seems the twitter sleuths have yet to be able to find the game (https://twitter.com/RandleRant/status/1192848947120951297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1192848947120951297&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bardown.com%2Fjeremy-roenick-shares-insane-gambling-story-about-michael-jordan-from-their-playing-days-1.1396032) in question...Roenick may have been exaggerating a bit.

Here's a list of all games the Bulls won against the Cavs where Jordan scored 40 or more (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1989&year_max=1999&is_playoffs=N&game_result=W&age_min=0&age_max=99&opp_id=CLE&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&player_id=jordami01&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&order_by=pts). The most likely game is March 28, 1992 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199203280CHI.html), where Jordan scored 44 points and the Bulls won 126-102, but Jeremy Roenick played (and scored) in a game in Hartford, CT that night (https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/199203280HAR.html).

Interesting, as Roenick claimed it was an off day for him.

Acymetric
11-12-2019, 01:24 PM
Interesting, as Roenick claimed it was an off day for him.

Right. That's what is casting some doubt on Roenick's story as he told it (there aren't really any other games that would fit Roenick's description, apparently).

pamtar
11-12-2019, 02:15 PM
Right. That's what is casting some doubt on Roenick's story as he told it (there aren't really any other games that would fit Roenick's description, apparently).

Or maybe he doesn’t want to admit he played drunk?

Acymetric
11-12-2019, 02:21 PM
Or maybe he doesn’t want to admit he played drunk?

Nice of him to do it for MJ, then ;)

PackMan97
11-12-2019, 02:21 PM
I don't doubt it... matches up with other stuff I've read and heard about him over the years.

link (https://www.bardown.com/jeremy-roenick-shared-an-insane-gambling-story-about-michael-jordan-from-their-playing-days-1.1396032)

So...Michael Jordan was a point shaver? I always knew he was a cheat.

cspan37421
11-12-2019, 02:24 PM
Or maybe he doesn’t want to admit he played drunk?

Or, human memories are imperfect. Especially over a long period of time.

They aren't digitally recorded, for later playback. They're more stories that we tell ourselves over and over, sort of like a one-person game of Telephone (for those that remember that phenomenon). We subtly and unconsciously change the details over time, either out of simple error, or so that the story makes more sense in our greater narrative of self.

flyingdutchdevil
11-12-2019, 02:28 PM
...10 beers for a ~215 lb athlete over a 10 hour period means he's at most buzzed, not drunk.

Not commenting on the ethics of it all, just the booze.

DUKIECB
11-12-2019, 03:00 PM
Or, human memories are imperfect. Especially over a long period of time.

They aren't digitally recorded, for later playback. They're more stories that we tell ourselves over and over, sort of like a one-person game of Telephone (for those that remember that phenomenon). We subtly and unconsciously change the details over time, either out of simple error, or so that the story makes more sense in our greater narrative of self.Very true. I'm reading Bill Bryson's new book, The Body, right now and he cites a story about a study where people were told repeatedly they were involved in an attack or robbed or something as a child or teenager and then interviewed later and not only did a large percentage of them believe it actually happened but they gave detailed accounts of everything that occurred. It just goes to show that our memories are sketchy at best and trying to remember details of an event that happened years ago is not easy.

Bluedog
11-12-2019, 03:05 PM
It seems the twitter sleuths have yet to be able to find the game (https://twitter.com/RandleRant/status/1192848947120951297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1192848947120951297&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bardown.com%2Fjeremy-roenick-shares-insane-gambling-story-about-michael-jordan-from-their-playing-days-1.1396032) in question...Roenick may have been exaggerating a bit.

Here's a list of all games the Bulls won against the Cavs where Jordan scored 40 or more (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1989&year_max=1999&is_playoffs=N&game_result=W&age_min=0&age_max=99&opp_id=CLE&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&player_id=jordami01&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&order_by=pts). The most likely game is March 28, 1992 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199203280CHI.html), where Jordan scored 44 points and the Bulls won 126-102, but Jeremy Roenick played (and scored) in a game in Hartford, CT that night (https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/199203280HAR.html).

Wow, that's some legit analysis. My guess is he got the team/point cutoff wrong. I think it's unlikely Roenick would be wrong on if he was off that day or had a game in CT.

JayZee
11-12-2019, 04:15 PM
...10 beers for a ~215 lb athlete over a 10 hour period means he's at most buzzed, not drunk.

Not commenting on the ethics of it all, just the booze.

What is it with Bud Light and athletes??? Remember Shane? https://sports.yahoo.com/shane-battier-rewarded-beer-plug-truck-full-bud-191010439--nba.html

JetpackJesus
11-13-2019, 03:18 AM
No athlete has ever been better than Jeremy Roenick in Sega Hockey c. 1994

Bo Jackson and Thurman Thomas in Tecmo Bowl and Super Bowl, respectively, might have something to say about that.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-13-2019, 06:59 AM
It seems the twitter sleuths have yet to be able to find the game (https://twitter.com/RandleRant/status/1192848947120951297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1192848947120951297&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bardown.com%2Fjeremy-roenick-shares-insane-gambling-story-about-michael-jordan-from-their-playing-days-1.1396032) in question...Roenick may have been exaggerating a bit.

Here's a list of all games the Bulls won against the Cavs where Jordan scored 40 or more (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1989&year_max=1999&is_playoffs=N&game_result=W&age_min=0&age_max=99&opp_id=CLE&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&player_id=jordami01&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&order_by=pts). The most likely game is March 28, 1992 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199203280CHI.html), where Jordan scored 44 points and the Bulls won 126-102, but Jeremy Roenick played (and scored) in a game in Hartford, CT that night (https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/199203280HAR.html).

....or it could be that Jeremy's memory of how many Michael scored that night was exaggerated.....maybe for effect.

mkirsh
11-13-2019, 03:06 PM
Bo Jackson and Thurman Thomas in Tecmo Bowl and Super Bowl, respectively, might have something to say about that.

Family Guy agrees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98tX2Y9X_yA


Also add "corner three guy" in Double Dribble (which Family Guy also nails)

(link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Zezfch0es) since I can't imbed 2 videos)

Dukehky
11-13-2019, 08:25 PM
9F him.

Bad dude, worse owner.

Team LeBron.