Duke 126 Ft Valley 57 Post-game discussion

[Native]

- Savarino feeds Baker for another triple! Game high 22 points for Baker with 6 threes.
- Savarino gets a board, ahead to Baker, to Worthington inside for a bucket in the low post.
- Buckmire forces a turnover, Savarino misses on a 3. (If he hits a three I think Cameron might collapse even with the sparse crowd.)
- Buckmire board, Baker misses a long two.
- FV hits a fadeaway jumper.
- J-Rob for three!
- Buckmire steal and then turns it over. Baker draws a charge.
- Savarino keeps it at the top of the key, drives hard, draws a shooting foul! Nails the free throws! Debbie is in tears and K is hiding a smile on the bench.
- FV hits a baseline jumper.
- Worthington airballs a 3.

Buckmire dribbles out the clock. 126-57 final.

[SkyBrickey]

That was a great confidence builder ahead of Kansas. I was especially happy to see us knocking down 3s. I believe this team will only get better as the year goes on.

Bring on the Jayhawks. It's time to find out where we really are.

I wonder what Ball Durham will post after this game? Maybe "greatest Duke team of the 21st century"...

[mattman91]

That was a great confidence builder ahead of Kansas. I was especially happy to see us knocking down 3s. I believe this team will only get better as the year goes on.

Bring on the Jayhawks. It's time to find out where we really are.

I wonder what Ball Durham will post after this game? Maybe "greatest Duke team of the 21st century"...

"Duke needs to add 5-7 players to next year's class...may lose all players to draft"

[uh_no]

highlight of the night was savarino with the triple single!

much better play today. can't wait to see against some competition.

[Acymetric]

Is it just me or does Hurt remind you a little of Jimmy Chitwood?

...Remind me who Jimmy Chitwood is?

[Acymetric]

That was a great confidence builder ahead of Kansas. I was especially happy to see us knocking down 3s. I believe this team will only get better as the year goes on.

Bring on the Jayhawks. It's time to find out where we really are.

I wonder what Ball Durham will post after this game? Maybe "greatest Duke team of the 21st century"...

Ball Durham is such a great name...too bad their content is mostly trash.

[arnie]

...Remind me who Jimmy Chitwood is?

Not a big sports movie fan I guess?😀

[Acymetric]

Not a big sports movie fan I guess?😀

(After some quick googling) I watched a bunch of sports movies when I was younger (including Miracle on every single bus ride for a swim meet in high school), but never watched Hoosiers for whatever reason. Will have to get around to it eventually.

[bundabergdevil]

...Remind me who Jimmy Chitwood is?

Whoa, that'll get 10 points taken from Gryffindor.

[-jk]

-jk accidentally put the chat link in the NWM thread, since this one, the current game, was so far down the page...

https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/misc.php?do=cchatbox

Plenty of room in chat!

thanks! Obviously still in pre-season form...

-jk

[rocketeli]

What, no post game thread to pop up just as I’ve finished typing? Well, Saturday Duke played a Division II team that was a very good Division II team, and today they played one that was …less good. As others have said, a confidence booster, and I thought the team also came out with a little more fire and focus than last time. I like Carey’s play. He already has a lovely little drop step that it took the Plumlees years to learn, if they ever did. He’s the kind of player that can be one and done even if he averages five and five, so we should enjoy him while we can. Moore is still struggling a bit. And as others have posted it was also nice to see some threes hit. They were mostly of the “shots your grandmother could hit” variety, but prior to this the team hadn’t show any inclination to hit those kinds of shots, so baby steps! Kansas will be interesting.

[TheOldBattleship]

Nice to see the team get a bit of a confidence builder, even if it remains singularly and unusually hard to get a clear sense of how things are going to shake out this year. Looking forward to the games that count, even if Kansas is going to be a bear. Big test for the bigs early on, that's for sure.

[Newton_14]

Post your thoughts here.

Always good to be in Cameron! and tonight was my first in person look at this year's Blue Devils. Lot's of new faces to state the obvious, but it finally looked somewhat normal to me when K put Tre, Joey, Alex, Jack, and Javin on the floor. Two sophomores, a junior, and the two seniors looked good together, and certainly had the most chemistry of any line up. Mix in the talented freshman, and K has a group he can likely mold into a good team. I will go out on the proverbial limb and once again be Captain Obvious in stating that unlike last season, this group will not play their very best game of the season in Game 1 next week against Kansas.

Joey looked really comfortable with his shot tonight and the results spoke for themselves. I think tonight was far more indicative of how this team will shoot the 3-Ball than was last week. Baker and Alex can both shoot the basketball. As can J-Rob for that matter. Several others appear capable of knocking it down from deep as well. On the whole though, this team will be a work in progress from Day 1. I think they can be really good defensively on the perimeter anchored by Tre, and supported well by J-Gold, Stanley, and Moore. Alex brings length, quickness, and at times, a nose for the ball in terms of rebounding. Jack and Javin are good interior defenders, and we will have to wait and see with Vernon & Matthew. At first glance, it would appear K will have to strike a delicate balance in keeping a good mix of perimeter defense AND perimeter shooting on the floor. Tre/J-Gold/Stanley being the defensive side of that equation, Joey/Alex being the shooters in that equation, with Moore the wildcard/tbd.

Lots of things for K to figure out.
-consistent, 'Go To Scorers"?
-having shooters on the floor w/o sacrificing defense or vice versa?
-which mix of vets/frosh will mesh together better and have better chemistry?
-which frosh are really ready for primetime and which are not?

I'm sure there are many additional things to figure out, but that walk-on kid looked pretty solid in his Cameron debut! :)

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[Bluedog]

Box score anywhere?

[TheOldBattleship]

Box score anywhere?

Here's the GoDuke official PDF boxscore (https://goduke.com/documents/2019/10/30//Duke_FVSU_Box_Score.pdf). And here's the more functional/interactive but (I find) somewhat frustratingly scattered Sidearm stats page (http://duke.sidearmsports.com/sidearmstats/mbball/summary).

[uh_no]

box score anywhere?

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[Scorp4me]

Since I've been arguing that Goldwire is more than most are giving him credit for since he got here let me just say on a night that may never be repeated for all I know...Goldwire lead in minutes played! haha ;)

But in all honesty he is a perfect example of what many fans have been wanting. Lower rated, but still good players that will stick around and be able to contribute as upperclassmen. So I'm happy for both Goldwire and the fans!

[dukelifer]

Since I've been arguing that Goldwire is more than most are giving him credit for since he got here let me just say on a night that may never be repeated for all I know...Goldwire lead in minutes played! haha ;)

But in all honesty he is a perfect example of what many fans have been wanting. Lower rated, but still good players that will stick around and be able to contribute as upperclassmen. So I'm happy for both Goldwire and the fans!

Grant Hill is the perfect example of a player that sticks around - but that is my bar ;) Goldwire has improved- no question.

[arnie]

Since I've been arguing that Goldwire is more than most are giving him credit for since he got here let me just say on a night that may never be repeated for all I know...Goldwire lead in minutes played! haha ;)

But in all honesty he is a perfect example of what many fans have been wanting. Lower rated, but still good players that will stick around and be able to contribute as upperclassmen. So I'm happy for both Goldwire and the fans!

I know I’ll be proven wrong but how can each ACC game rotation not include Carey, Hurt, Jones, Moore, O’Connell, Baker, Stanley, Goldwire, White and Javin? With Robinson minutes another possibility.

[Native]

I know I’ll be proven wrong but how can each ACC game rotation not include Carey, Hurt, Jones, Moore, O’Connell, Baker, Stanley, Goldwire, White and Javin? With Robinson minutes another possibility.

Where there’s a K, there’s a way.

[whereinthehellami]

Goldwire had 8 assists to 1 TO and 5 steals.

Just as interesting, DeLaurier had 0 points in 16 minutes. I was hoping to see more from him early. More confidence and an expanded offensive game.

[Dukehk]

The only thing that's worrying is Tre Jones still can't hit a three.

He really needs to develop that side of his game if he ever is to make it in the pro ranks.

[budwom]

How many points did Marques Bolden get for us last night? I ask because today the Associated Press has a big article up on rookies, and they note that Carey will benefit by playing with DeLaurier and Bolden...d'oh!

[Bob Green]

I know I’ll be proven wrong but how can each ACC game rotation not include Carey, Hurt, Jones, Moore, O’Connell, Baker, Stanley, Goldwire, White and Javin? With Robinson minutes another possibility.

I can easily envision a rotation that excludes Javin.

[tbyers11]

I can easily envision a rotation that excludes Javin.

Really? I can't. I don't think Carey is going to be able to guard bigs all that effectively without getting into foul trouble. I think Javin played very little last night because it was an exhibition game and the freshmen, especially Carey, needed a confidence boost after the lackluster performance in the first exhibition game.

I'm not sure Javin will show a truly expanded offensive repertoire, but I'd be surprised if he is not an integral part of the rotation.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

The only thing that's worrying is Tre Jones still can't hit a three.

He really needs to develop that side of his game if he ever is to make it in the pro ranks.
I would amend that to say that he will be an even more effective college player if he can demonstrate a reasonably consistent outside shot. He needs to at least be a threat to make 3’s so defenders don’t sag off him like they did with Trevon.

[DukieInBrasil]

I can easily envision a rotation that excludes Javin.
Ouch! A rotation that doesn't include a Sr. captain, wow. I have to say though, i don't really disagree. I certainly hope that Javin plays himself into an unquestionable rotation player, but going scoreless against a rather terrible D2 team and also not looking good in the other exhibit game are not good signs. Javin has all the athletic gifts necessary to be even up to a draftable NBA player, it's the between-the-ears stuff that is limiting his production. It's on him to show at this point, and i hope he makes good on it.

On another point, i find it very odd that the front page of DBR loves to refer to Joey Baker as Joey Beard (they did it again today). I mean, who even remembers Joey Beard, and why did his fleeting presence at Duke make such a deep impression on the DBR writers that they continually mis-identify a current player for one from 20+ years ago? What dirt does Joey Beard have on DBR? That's what i want to know...

[phaedrus]

I can easily envision a rotation that excludes Javin.

If he's regressed? Sure. If he's the same player as last year or modestly improved? I can't see it. He was in the rotation as a sophomore on a team that included Marvin Bagley, Wendell Carter, and Marques Bolden.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Ouch! A rotation that doesn't include a Sr. captain, wow. I have to say though, i don't really disagree. I certainly hope that Javin plays himself into an unquestionable rotation player, but going scoreless against a rather terrible D2 team and also not looking good in the other exhibit game are not good signs. Javin has all the athletic gifts necessary to be even up to a draftable NBA player, it's the between-the-ears stuff that is limiting his production. It's on him to show at this point, and i hope he makes good on it.

On another point, i find it very odd that the front page of DBR loves to refer to Joey Baker as Joey Beard (they did it again today). I mean, who even remembers Joey Beard, and why did his fleeting presence at Duke make such a deep impression on the DBR writers that they continually mis-identify a current player for one from 20+ years ago? What dirt does Joey Beard have on DBR? That's what i want to know...

He wasn't half the player JJ Reddit was.

[killerleft]

I can easily envision a rotation that excludes Javin.

I've said it before. Javin could be a standout in a number of sports - maybe even, bulked up, as a defensive end in football. He could possibly be a great high jumper or long jumper.

But he loves basketball. He plays very hard, and bleeds Duke blue. He can be a tenacious rebounder and defender. I still have hope that Javin will be a forever-remembered hero in several games this year. But Javin will not become that player we can count on for ten points a game. I'd love to be wrong.

[Troublemaker]

I know I’ll be proven wrong but how can each ACC game rotation not include Carey, Hurt, Jones, Moore, O’Connell, Baker, Stanley, Goldwire, White and Javin? With Robinson minutes another possibility.

Haven't watched the latest exhibition yet, but I'd be worried about Joey and AOC. Joey was the 11th man as recently as the last exhibition, and AOC probably doesn't fit the vision of a great defensive team. I did watch the postgame presser and Coach K mentioned that you "have to" get Wendell, Javin, and Jack in the game, too, so I think those three are safe for now. The starters plus those three are probably the eight if Coach K doesn't play nine or ten guys. It's deeply disappointing because we probably needed Joey and AOC to be improved and play prominent roles in order to have March/April upside; we can't have Matthew be the sole great shooter and expect to win in March/April, imo.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Haven't watched the latest exhibition yet, but I'd be worried about Joey and AOC. Joey was the 11th man as recently as the last exhibition, and AOC probably doesn't fit the vision of a great defensive team. I did watch the postgame presser and Coach K mentioned that you "have to" get Wendell, Javin, and Jack in the game, too, so I think those three are safe for now. The starters plus those three are probably the eight if Coach K doesn't play nine or ten guys. It's deeply disappointing because we probably needed Joey and AOC to be improved and play prominent roles in order to have March/April upside; we can't have Matthew be the sole great shooter and expect to win in March/April, imo.

You should watch and then comment about your concern for Baker's PT. He was 6-8 from 3.

[Troublemaker]

You should watch and then comment about your concern for Baker's PT. He was 6-8 from 3.

I mean, I've seen the box score. I think Joey's still 50/50 to even play against Kansas, unfortunately. But hopefully this was the starting point for him earning Coach's trust.

[flyingdutchdevil]

You should watch and then comment about your concern for Baker's PT. He was 6-8 from 3.

This is what's going to get Joey playing time. Like last year, this is not a good 3pt shooting team. The only "proven" commodity from 3 is AOC, but Baker does have a reputation as a good shooter (although yet to be seen in real games. Burning that red shirt...sigh).

We have Tre, who was atrocious at 3s last season and may not show the required improvement (tiny sample size, but he's 0-6 in exhibition play). Goldwire has an ugly shot that either airballs or hits (29.2% career shooter). White, one the streakiest shooters in Duke history, has shot 27.0% in his college career.Moore and Stanley aren't known as 3pt specialists. Neither is Carney. And Javin won't shoot outside of 4 feet (which is probably a really good thing). Only Hurt has a really good reputation and looks to be better than the league average from the 4.

So if this team needs shooters, it's gonna rely on Baker, AOC, and Hurt. Hopefully Tre shows enough improvement to shoot in the ~30s this year.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I mean, I've seen the box score. I think Joey's still 50/50 to even play against Kansas, unfortunately. But hopefully this was the starting point for him earning Coach's trust.

He's clearly a shooter on a team starved for shooting. I think that gets him minutes more than anything shy of Battier-style floor burns.

[Lauderdevil]

From DBR homepage: "Krzyzewski indicated that Worthington and Savarino likely will not play any more this season and will redshirt."

So Michael Savarino will be here for five seasons. Doesn't that suggest maybe his grandpa will as well?

[Troublemaker]

He's clearly a shooter on a team starved for shooting. I think that gets him minutes more than anything shy of Battier-style floor burns.

You could've said the same last season, and I'm sure he was a good shooter in the 20 practices or so that Duke had leading up to the point where he was the 11th man. It's the other stuff apparently that's holding him back.

I mean, I hope you're right. And I hope the role is significant. If he averages 5 minutes/game, that's not going to do much for our spacing.

[Steven43]

The only "proven" commodity from 3 is AOC, but Baker does have a reputation as a good shooter (although yet to be seen in real games. Burning that red shirt...sigh).

I’m so glad you brought that (redshirt) up, FDD! It’s been far too long. And so it begins again: Joey Baker Redshirt LIX.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

You could've said the same last season, and I'm sure he was a good shooter in the 20 practices or so that Duke had leading up to the point where he was the 11th man. It's the other stuff apparently that's holding him back.

I mean, I hope you're right. And I hope the role is significant. If he averages 5 minutes/game, that's not going to do much for our spacing.

Well, obviously if he shoots 75% for three, he will see some floor time.

I just thought it was odd for you to say you were concerned for Baker's playing time after what was by far the most promising production we've seen of him, in an area that our team struggled last year and looks to struggle again this year.

Regardless, watch the game. Joey was stroking nicely.

[kAzE]

It's definitely Joey's defense that has him out of the current top 7 or 8 on this team. There's enough tape on him at this point because of the Canada games from last year. I have zero question marks about his scoring ability. He is likely one of the best 3 pure scorers on the team. He's actually even a pretty good shooter off the dribble, too. However, he gets consistently beat on defense, and has to try to recover on his man, and he picks up a lot of fouls. I'm not sure he will play in the Kansas game, but I am VERY hopeful that can improve enough where his minutes will steadily increase throughout the regular season, to the point where he is in the top 7 by February/March. This team needs his scoring to reach it's ceiling.

[sagegrouse]

Having the considerable advantage of NOT having viewed the game -- only monitoring the box score -- here's what I think we should do:


Play Joey Baker and Matthew Hurt until they drop. Shooting matters, and playing the shooters, presuming effectiveness, will be great for Duke and quiet some dissension on this valuable Board. If they flag, play Jack White for shooting as well as phenomenal rebounding and very good defense. In extreme cases, Justin Robinson can rally shoot.
Use Tre as a distributor, driver, defender and .... shooter -- he needs to come through.
Play Vernon or Javin as the "big guy in the middle" for defense and rebounding purposes. They are also allowed to score.
Let Alex O'Connell, Wendell Moore, Jordan Goldwire, and Cassius Stanley fight for playing time. All should play -- defense, play-making and shooting.



That is all.

[Steven43]

It's definitely Joey's defense that has him out of the current top 7 or 8 on this team. There's enough tape on him at this point because of the Canada games from last year. I have zero question marks about his scoring ability. He is likely one of the best 3 pure scorers on the team. He's actually even a pretty good shooter off the dribble, too. However, he gets consistently beat on defense, and has to try to recover on his man, and he picks up a lot of fouls. I'm not sure he will play in the Kansas game, but I am VERY hopeful that can improve enough where his minutes will steadily increase throughout the regular season, to the point where he is in the top 7 by February/March. This team needs his scoring to reach it's ceiling.

If what you say is indeed true about Joey Baker’s defense (or lack thereof) why was he a 5-star recruit? Don’t these recruiting rankings take defense into consideration? After all, it is half of what the sport involves, at least last time I checked.

You would think in order to get designated as a five-star recruit, which means you are considered to be one of the best high school players in the nation, you would have to play some pretty damn good defense.

[kAzE]

If what you say is indeed true about Joey Baker’s defense (or lack thereof) why was he a 5-star recruit? Don’t these recruiting rankings take defense into consideration? After all, it is half of what the sport involves, at least last time I checked.

You would think in order to get designated as a five-star recruit, which means you are considered to be one of the best high school players in the nation, you would have to play some pretty damn good defense.

Are you joking? Playing defense on high schoolers is quite different than playing defense in the ACC. Have you seen LaMelo Ball's high school tape? He was a 5 star recruit and I don't think he even crossed half court most of the time on defense.

Also, I'm fairly sure I'm higher on Joey Baker than pretty much anyone on this board (go check the minutes thread). But I'm trying to be realistic.

[UrinalCake]

If what you say is indeed true about Joey Baker’s defense (or lack thereof) why was he a 5-star recruit? Don’t these recruiting rankings take defense into consideration?

To be frank, no they don’t. Rankings pay little to no attention to defense. And even if you were actually a good defender in high school, that doesn’t necessarily translate to college. The vast majority of high schools play straight man to man with no switching ever. Being a good defender is essentially about being tall and/or athletic.

[Steven43]

Are you joking? Playing defense on high schoolers is quite different than playing defense in the ACC. Have you seen LaMelo Ball's high school tape? He was a 5 star recruit and I don't think he even crossed half court most of the time on defense.

Also, I'm fairly sure I'm higher on Joey Baker than pretty much anyone on this board (go check the minutes thread). But I'm trying to be realistic.
Joking? No, I wasn’t. You could say similar things about high school offense translating to the ACC/college game.

By the way, I too am pretty high on Joey Baker (at least on offense) and have been from the start.

[subzero02]

Is there a replay available anywhere?

[budwom]

The McDonalds AA game is a pretty good illustration of how important defense is to HS ballers.

[jimsumner]

I'd be absolutely stunned if a healthy Javin DeLaurier drops out of the rotation. Not only did he not score last night, he didn't even take a shot. But he grabbed five rebounds in 16 minutes, with two assists, a block, a steal and at least one drawn charge. He's the best defensive communicator on the team and one of only two true posts on the team.

He'll remain an integral part of the rotation, in my very strong opinion.

[kAzE]

I'd be absolutely stunned if a healthy Javin DeLaurier drops out of the rotation. Not only did he not score last night, he didn't even take a shot. But he grabbed five rebounds in 16 minutes, with two assists, a block, a steal and at least one drawn charge. He's the best defensive communicator on the team and one of only two true posts on the team.

He'll remain an integral part of the rotation, in my very strong opinion.

I think you are right, but I also think someone is going to get the short end of the stick when the games get tough. It's not impossible, but I'd have to see it to believe Coach K will play 4 or more bigs in his 7.5 man rotation.

Out of Vernon Carey, Matthew Hurt, Javin DeLaurier, and Jack White, one of those guys is going to be pushed out of the rotation. I know Jack technically CAN play the 3, but for functional purposes, I think he is a big.

[SkyBrickey]

Joey Bakers stroke looked to be very pure, simple and repeatable. He has the length and high release point to get those off against a good defense. I think Bakers minutes will come at AOCs expense. We need one of those two guys getting rotation minutes as a lights out shooter. My sense is that Bakers shot is more repeatable and he won’t be as streaky as AOC. We will know where Coach is soon enough...

[CDu]

It's definitely Joey's defense that has him out of the current top 7 or 8 on this team. There's enough tape on him at this point because of the Canada games from last year. I have zero question marks about his scoring ability. He is likely one of the best 3 pure scorers on the team. He's actually even a pretty good shooter off the dribble, too. However, he gets consistently beat on defense, and has to try to recover on his man, and he picks up a lot of fouls. I'm not sure he will play in the Kansas game, but I am VERY hopeful that can improve enough where his minutes will steadily increase throughout the regular season, to the point where he is in the top 7 by February/March. This team needs his scoring to reach it's ceiling.

I'm not sure I'd say Baker is one of the three best pure scorers on the team. I'd put Carey, Hurt, and Stanley above him, and probably O'Connell as well. I WOULD say he's one of the 3 best pure shooters on the team though.

But I agree, the defense is the piece that is of concern, and likely why he hasn't seen the floor much.

It's also worth noting that making shots against a D-2 team is not the same challenge as making shots against a power-6 school. The size, speed, athleticism, physicality, and organization is just sooooo much better at the major D-1 level that it's just not relevant to compare. Yes, it's nice that he went 6-8 against Ft Valley. But he's not likely to get so many easy looks against a quality opponent. And if he's a liability in the other facets, it's hard to see him playing much.

[Kedsy]

If what you say is indeed true about Joey Baker’s defense (or lack thereof) why was he a 5-star recruit? Don’t these recruiting rankings take defense into consideration? After all, it is half of what the sport involves, at least last time I checked.

You would think in order to get designated as a five-star recruit, which means you are considered to be one of the best high school players in the nation, you would have to play some pretty damn good defense.

Hi, I'd like you to meet Austin Rivers, Jabari Parker, Jahlil Okafor, and Tyus Jones.

Also, Baker was only a four-star recruit.

[CDu]

Out of Vernon Carey, Matthew Hurt, Javin DeLaurier, and Jack White, one of those guys is going to be pushed out of the rotation. I know Jack technically CAN play the 3, but for functional purposes, I think he is a big.

I don't see any reason why one of those four has to be pushed out of the rotation. We played Zion, Bolden, DeLaurier, and White last year, and have often had four bigs (or 3 bigs and a bigger wing playing as a big) in our bigs rotation.

Unless Wendell Moore (or if, you're really optimistic, Joey Baker) shows he can play the four spot, I think all four of those guys will be in the rotation.

[Steven43]

Hi, I'd like you to meet Austin Rivers, Jabari Parker, Jahlil Okafor, and Tyus Jones.

Also, Baker was only a four-star recruit.

Well, an earlier poster or two said Baker had been a five-star recruit (which surprised me because I didn’t think he had been assessed at quite that lofty of a level), so I assumed it to be true.

And yes, none of the four previous Duke players you mentioned were thought of as being good defenders. Yet, they were still five-star recruits. Maybe we should take these recruiting rankings with somewhat of a grain of salt since they really only take offensive ability into consideration.

Perhaps the general lack of consideration and respect for a player’s defensive ability is how someone like Matisse Thybulle was not even ranked in the top 100 coming out of high school, and why he stayed in college four years, and yet is already looking to be a valuable NBA player.

[SkyBrickey]

I'd be absolutely stunned if a healthy Javin DeLaurier drops out of the rotation. Not only did he not score last night, he didn't even take a shot. But he grabbed five rebounds in 16 minutes, with two assists, a block, a steal and at least one drawn charge. He's the best defensive communicator on the team and one of only two true posts on the team.

He'll remain an integral part of the rotation, in my very strong opinion.

I completely agree. Javin had a double-double in our tourney loss to Michigan St. He’s a senior captain. At a minimum he will get 15 min a game at the 5 with 25 min going to Carey. Still a chance we could see them both in the lineup at times against big teams like an FSU.

[dukelifer]

Is there a replay available anywhere?

Only the good parts ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGXw0zhMXgk

[DukeFanSince1990]

Is there a replay available anywhere?

watchespn.com, go to replays.

Otherwise someone has it on youtube probably.

[DukeFanSince1990]

Only the good parts ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGXw0zhMXgk

And thats why I should read the whole thread before I post. Ha.

[86devils]

Is there a replay available anywhere?

On ESPN+, under the On Demand videos. Will Avery was supposedly providing color commentary, but, ooph, it was painful to sit through. Though I have to say, I’d still prefer Averys ultra-minimalist approach to certain established commentators who never, ever shut up.

Oops, already answered. This is why I should always refresh before posting.

[DukeFanSince1990]

For those of you who didn't watch, William Avery did the color commentating. He said he is taking a full class load and goes to practice everyday.

Pretty cool for someone who supposedly hates Coach K and Duke. (at least that's what "U"NC fans have told me for 20 years....come to think of it...they may be full of crap)

[SouthernDukie]

First viewing of this year’s team on those Youtube highlights and one thought pushes to the forefront: I didn’t know Coby White transferred to Duke. Wow! What a nice ‘fro.

[subzero02]

I would amend that to say that he will be an even more effective college player if he can demonstrate a reasonably consistent outside shot. He needs to at least be a threat to make 3’s so defenders don’t sag off him like they did with Trevon.

Tre is already well versed in having his outside shooting ability blatantly challenged. If you recall the game against Virginia Tech in the NCAA tournament, he was basically forced to take multiple wide open 3's. Fortunately he shot 5 for 7 from 3 because we were 6 for 20 as a team in that 2 point victory.

[slower]

How many points did Marques Bolden get for us last night? I ask because today the Associated Press has a big article up on rookies, and they note that Carey will benefit by playing with DeLaurier and Bolden...d'oh!

This ain't your father's AP. They employ a lot of hacks these days.

[phaedrus]

I don't see any reason why one of those four has to be pushed out of the rotation. We played Zion, Bolden, DeLaurier, and White last year, and have often had four bigs (or 3 bigs and a bigger wing playing as a big) in our bigs rotation.

Unless Wendell Moore (or if, you're really optimistic, Joey Baker) shows he can play the four spot, I think all four of those guys will be in the rotation.

This is particularly true where the presumptive #1 big (Carey) is probably not going to play an overwhelming number of minutes (such as Zion or Bagley were capable of).

[Bluedog]

This ain't your father's AP. They employ a lot of hacks these days.

The interesting thing about Duke games is that they basically only get written up by two AP writers who both seem pretty good -- Aaron Beard and Joedy McCreary. Certainly the article above I assume isn't one of them though.

[budwom]

The interesting thing about Duke games is that they basically only get written up by two AP writers who both seem pretty good -- Aaron Beard and Joedy McCreary. Certainly the article above I assume isn't one of them though.

Yeah, it was a national story covering freshmen....not the Duke/ACC beat guys at all...

[jimsumner]

The interesting thing about Duke games is that they basically only get written up by two AP writers who both seem pretty good -- Aaron Beard and Joedy McCreary. Certainly the article above I assume isn't one of them though.

Yes, neither of these guys would come close to making this mistake.