FB: Notre Dame 38, Duke 7 (Nov 9, 2019)

[Reilly]

EDIT: Making this the game thread

[OZZIE4DUKE]

It’ll be on Saturday, November 9, in Wallace Wade Stadium. We (the TB’CC) will have a great tailgate. The stadium will be full of Notre Dame fans. There will be no Bell present :( LGD GTHc! Beat the Irish!

[Bob Green]

We should know Monday as I can't see a 7 day hold being placed on the game.

Taking a stab in the dark, I'd say 12 noon but that's a complete WAG. With losses yesterday, Duke is out of the Coastal Division race and Notre Dame is out of the College Football Playoff race.

This game doesn't have much audience appeal.

[Reilly]

... Duke is out of the Coastal Division race ...

The odds are longer but the game's not over ...

NC 3-2 va, @pt, @st
VA 3-2 @nc, gt, vt

VT 2-2 wf, @gt, pt, @va
PT 2-2 @gt, nc, @vt, bc

DU 2-3 su, @wf, um
UM 2-3 @fs, lv, @du

GT 1-3 pt, @va, vt, st

unc beats va and loses to pt and st = 4-4

va loses to nc, beats gt, and loses to vt = 4-4

vt loses to wf, beats gt, loses to pt, beat va = 4-4

pt loses to gt, beats nc and vt, and loses to bc = 4-4

duke wins out = 5-3

um loses to du and who cares what happens against fs and lv = at least 4 losses

gt beats pt and loses to one of last 3 = at least 4 losses

PT losing to both gt and bc is the most implausible of the above scenario ...

[Bob Green]

The odds are longer but the game's not over...

I will stick with my 12 noon prediction and hope to be wrong.

[TruBlu]

It will be 5 o’clock somewhere...

[Devil549]

5-3 wins the Coastal IMO ....Reilly thanks for info still NOV football left.

[Devil549]

If NC beats UVA then PITT and NCSU on the road they deserve it. I think either UVA or Pitt wins it but they both must beat teams they have not beaten lately....UVA/VT & Pitt/unc.

[devildeac]

It will be 5 o’clock somewhere...

It's always 5 o'clock here:

https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?3840-Ymm-Beer

:o

[budwom]

hoping for a 3:30 or so...anything but noon which it probably will be...

[duke2x]

I originally thought this would be a night game to promote the ACC Network. I am backtracking a little because the Game of the Century of the Week (AL/LSU) is probably going to be on CBS primetime. The ACC slate is awful, but it's awful every week this year.

7:00 if ESPN wants to compete with AL/LSU on a network most casual viewers can't see.
3:30 if it wants to pull viewers from its other games.

[Edouble]

After yesterday's losses, I will be shocked if this game is not on at noon.

[budwom]

After yesterday's losses, I will be shocked if this game is not on at noon.

Might they develop a new 9 a.m. time slot for us?

[devildeac]

After yesterday's losses, I will be shocked if this game is not on at noon.

Our chefs won't like this start time but I really, really like their egg strata, grilled bacon and sausage, French Toast casserole and our usual assortment of breakfast stouts. ;)

[Reilly]

https://weatherspark.com/d/20151/11/9/Average-Weather-on-November-9-in-Durham-North-Carolina-United-States

On November 9, the temperature in Durham typically ranges from 45°F to 63°F and is rarely below 32°F or above 75°F.

For reference, on July 21, the hottest day of the year, temperatures in Durham typically range from 70°F to 89°F, while on January 29, the coldest day of the year, they range from 32°F to 51°F.

The coolest time of the day is from 11:30 PM to 8:15 AM, with the coldest at 6:15 AM, at which time the temperature is below 52°F three days out of four, and below 60°F nine days out of ten.

The warmest time of the day is from 11:30 AM to 5:00 PM, with the hottest at 2:45 PM, at which time the temperature is above 56°F three days out of four, and above 50°F nine days out of ten.

The day has gained half its heat by 9:45 AM and lost it again by 6:30 PM.

[devildeac]

Early forecast calls for a low of 44 on Friday, November 8 with a 40% chance of rain. High on Saturday is predicted to be 59 with no rain mentioned.

[sagegrouse]

Might they develop a new 9 a.m. time slot for us?

Well, we ARE playing the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame. That's a prime time team, even in bad times.

Have I mentioned this month that I was at the Duke upset over Notre Dame three years ago?

[devildeac]

Well, we ARE playing the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame. That's a prime time team, even in bad times.

Have I mentioned this month that I was at the Duke upset over Notre Dame three years ago?

Indeed. And here's the official signal on the game-ending FG.

9889

[Pghdukie]

The ACC has announced that the Notre Dame game will be a 7:30 start time and televised by the ACCN.

Hope this helps !

[scottdude8]

The ACC has announced that the Notre Dame game will be a 7:30 start time and televised by the ACCN.

Hope this helps !

Thanks! You beat me to the punch, but I was about to say that typically if it's a ND home game (or some specific games that are yearly games) NBC gets the broadcast rights. If not it's typically the conference of the home team (that's why, for instance, last year's Michigan-ND game in South Bend was on NBC, while this year's version was on ABC). This makes sense from the ACCN's perspective as now they're going to start getting angry calls from around the country as to why ND fans can't watch the game if ACCN isn't yet in that area of the country.

[throatybeard]

Might they develop a new 9 a.m. time slot for us?

For us, yes. But Our Lady of Northern Indiana still reps hards enough to play ball in the afternoon or evening.

[duke2x]

Our chefs won't like this start time but I really, really like their egg strata, grilled bacon and sausage, French Toast casserole and our usual assortment of breakfast stouts. ;)

I am very much afraid that you will get your wish on 11/16 on Fox Sports South. The ACC doesn't like to put teams in the same time slot every week if possible. Here's to this squirrel not finding an acorn two weeks in a row. I noticed on West Campus that the squirrels preferred stale beer from Friday night to the acorns anyway, but that was a very long time ago.

[devildeac]

Might they develop a new 9 a.m. time slot for us?

Well, if the official start time is now 730 PM, perhaps if Duke starts at 900 AM and we get the ball inside the ND 5 yard line, we *might* be able to put more than 3 points on the board in a couple of early possessions :rolleyes::mad:.

[devildeac]

I am very much afraid that you will get your wish on 11/16 on Fox Sports South. The ACC doesn't like to put teams in the same time slot every week if possible. Here's to this squirrel not finding an acorn two weeks in a row. I noticed on West Campus that the squirrels preferred stale beer from Friday night to the acorns anyway, but that was a very long time ago.

I think you'll be correct on this one.

[CameronBornAndBred]

I am very much afraid that you will get your wish on 11/16 on Fox Sports South. The ACC doesn't like to put teams in the same time slot every week if possible. Here's to this squirrel not finding an acorn two weeks in a row. I noticed on West Campus that the squirrels preferred stale beer from Friday night to the acorns anyway, but that was a very long time ago.


I think you'll be correct on this one.

Those later November games, I'm totally fine with a noon kick, and all the brunch goodies that go with it.

Sooooo pleasantly surprised about the night game for ND; we haven't discussed the menu yet, but obviously it will be an all day affair on the grill. We've already done a pig and a turkey, so that won't be repeated, but it will be something fun as always.

[devildeac]

Those later November games, I'm totally fine with a noon kick, and all the brunch goodies that go with it.

Sooooo pleasantly surprised about the night game for ND; we haven't discussed the menu yet, but obviously it will be an all day affair on the grill. We've already done a pig and a turkey, so that won't be repeated, but it will be something fun as always.


Grilled leprechauns? Irish stew?

[TruBlu]

My prediction:

Duke 66
ND. 17

Reason: our OC should be well rested after taking 3 weeks in row off.

[throatybeard]

We'll always have 2016.

[uh_no]

Grilled leprechauns? Irish stew?

Touchdown (grilled) Cheeses?

[devildeac]

Touchdown (grilled) Cheeses?

Now that there is clever and funny.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Touchdown (grilled) Cheeses?

*Reluctant sporkz*

[budwom]

Touchdown (grilled) Cheeses?

Especially Cheeses of Nazareth.

[devildeac]

Extended forecast predicting high of 59 that day and low of 40 Saturday night/Sunday AM with a 30% chance of a shower or two during the evening.

[Bob Green]

Jim Sumner on Notre Dame's last trip to Durham:

https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2019/11/1/20944206/notre-dame-footballs-last-visit-to-wallace-wade-duke-football


The Irish were slight favorites in front of a crowd of 35,000 on an unseasonably warm 70-degree day.

[Coballs]

Is the game at 8:30P now??? That’s what’s listed on ESPNs website and the Goduke site

[Coballs]

Is the game at 8:30P now??? That’s what’s listed on ESPNs website and the Goduke site

Ignore last post! I’m away in Aruba and it’s doing funny things to all the start times on ESPN even though it’s the same time zone

[DU82]

Ignore last post! I’m away in Aruba and it’s doing funny things to all the start times on ESPN even though it’s the same time zone

It won’t be in the same time zone starting Sunday. I believe the web site knows your location and prints the local time.

[Reilly]

Duke's chance of victory up to 27.8% now (think it was 24%-ish going into the VT/ND game).

http://www.espn.com/college-football/team/fpi?id=150&year=2019


In the SRS, #23 ND is about 6.5 points better than #47 Duke on a neutral field: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2019-ratings.html

[Reilly]

VA 4-2 gt, vt (favored in last 2 = 6-2)

PT 3-2 nc, @vt, bc (favored slightly in last 3 = 6-2)

VT 2-2 wf, @gt, pt, @va (favored in 1 of last 4 = 3-5)

NC 3-3 @pt, @st (favored in 1 of 2 = 4-4)
UM 3-3 lv, @du (favored in last 2 = 5-3)

DU 2-3 su, @wf, um (favored in 1 of last 3 = 3-5)

GT 1-4 @va, vt, st (dogs = 1-7)

UVa won at Pitt in August and GT beat Miami ... two huge results to date.

Favored/underdog based on espn fpi projections as of today.

[budwom]

It will be an interesting game for the weather alone...sunny and high of only 49 during the day, could well be in the thirties at game time...stands will be full of fans, many of whom haven't sat three plus hours in a chill like that (especially chilly when you aren't moving)...

[Bob Green]

Ian Book is a mobile quarterback and mobile quarterbacks give us fits, example - Bryce Perkins. The defense must pressure Book and contain him because he is adept at extending plays with his legs and finding receivers downfield. Notre Dame has big, talented receivers who will keep moving.

The defense is going to have to play a near perfect game but more important is our offense, which must achieve success sustaining drives to keep the Irish offense off the field. Simple concept but difficult to execute against a quality opponent.

We absolutely must successfully throw the ball downfield to have a chance to win.

[jwillfan]

It will be an interesting game for the weather alone...sunny and high of only 49 during the day, could well be in the thirties at game time...stands will be full of fans, many of whom haven't sat three plus hours in a chill like that (especially chilly when you aren't moving)...

IF the stands are full of fans they will be of the Fighting Irish variety and are used to the cold - at least more so than the Duke fans. Would be very surprised to see the stadium full. I plan to be there but will most likely go home to watch the 2nd half as I am one of the latter.

[arnie]

Early line in Vegas - ND by 7. Thought it might be higher.

[budwom]

IF the stands are full of fans they will be of the Fighting Irish variety and are used to the cold - at least more so than the Duke fans. Would be very surprised to see the stadium full. I plan to be there but will most likely go home to watch the 2nd half as I am one of the latter.

I am guessing that many ND fans who love much closer to Durham than South Bend will be in attendance, and as such I have less faith in their cold weather skills. This will be the game where Duke Concessions will be loaded up with major supplies of ice cold water.

[Bob Green]

This will be the game where Duke Concessions will be loaded up with major supplies of ice cold water.

Try buying a cup of hot chocolate or coffee.

[arnie]

Try buying a cup of hot chocolate or coffee.

You are kidding I hope.

[Devilwin]

Ian Book is a mobile quarterback and mobile quarterbacks give us fits, example - Bryce Perkins. The defense must pressure Book and contain him because he is adept at extending plays with his legs and finding receivers downfield. Notre Dame has big, talented receivers who will keep moving.

The defense is going to have to play a near perfect game but more important is our offense, which must achieve success sustaining drives to keep the Irish offense off the field. Simple concept but difficult to execute against a quality opponent.

We absolutely must successfully throw the ball downfield to have a chance to win.

And watch our play calling..

[Bob Green]

And watch our play calling..

Well that is my point we can’t play scared. Harris has to run the whole offense to include throwing the ball downfield.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Well that is my point we can’t play scared. Harris has to run the whole offense to include throwing the ball downfield.


....and this helps open up everything else.....even some near misses on some deep balls will do that.

[OldPhiKap]

We got this. Mark it down.

[Reilly]

... In the SRS, #23 ND is about 6.5 points better than #47 Duke on a neutral field: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2019-ratings.html


Early line in Vegas - ND by 7 ...

Seeing 6.5 now, per vegasinsider -- same as SRS: https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/teams/team-page.cfm/team/duke

[Reilly]

Notre Dame (2-3)

1958 A L 7-9
1961 H W 37-13
1966 A L 0-64
2007 A L 7-28
2016 A W 38-35

Duke: undefeated at home ... and on a winning streak ...

[Reilly]

1970

O 3 Ohio State (-/1) A L 10-34
O 10 West Virginia (-/11) A W 21-13

1971

S 18 South Carolina (-/19) H W 28-12
O 2 Stanford (19/10) A W 9-3

1972

S 9 Alabama (-/7) N L 12-35
S 16 Washington (-/12) A L 6-14
S 23 Stanford (-/19) H L 6-10
N 18 North Carolina (-/16) A L 0-14

1973

S 15 Tennessee (-/9) A L 17-21
O 13 Tulane (-/18) H L 17-24
N 17 N.C. State (-/20) H L 3-21

1974

S 14 N.C. State (-/16) A L 21-35
O 26 Florida (-/12) A L 13-30
N 16 Maryland (-/13) N L 13-56

1975

S 12 Southern Cal (-/4) A L 7-35
O 25 Florida (-/12) A L 16-24

1976

O 2 Pittsburgh (-/2) H L 31-44
O 23 Maryland (-/6) H L 3-30

1977

S 17 Michigan (-/1) A L 9-21
N 19 North Carolina (-/18) H L 3-16

1978

S 30 Michigan (-/4) A L 0-52
O 28 Maryland (-/5) H L 0-27

1979

N 10 Wake Forest (-/20) A L 14-17

1980

S 20 Auburn (-/19) A L 28-35
O 11 South Carolina (-/17) A L 7-20
N 22 North Carolina (-/15) A L 21-44

1981
S 12 Ohio State (-/11) A L 13-34
O 17 Clemson (-/6) H L 10-38
N 21 North Carolina (-/15) H L 10-31

1982

O 16 Clemson (-/20) A L 14-49

1983

O 1 Miami (-/15) H L 17-56
O 22 Maryland (-/15) A L 3-38

1986

S 13 Georgia (-/19) A L 7-31
O 18 Clemson (-/17) A L 3-35

1987

O 17 Clemson (-/7) A L 10-17

1988

O 15 Clemson (-/11) A L 17-49

1989

S 16 Tennessee (-/17) A L 6-28
S 30 Clemson (-/7) H W 21-17
D 28 Texas Tech (20/24) N L 21-49

1990

S 22 Virginia (-/10) H L 0-59
S 29 Clemson (-/19) A L 7-26
O 27 Georgia Tech (-/16) A L 31-48

1991

N 16 N.C. State (-/24) H L 31-32
N 30 Clemson (-/13) N L 21-33

1992

S 5 Florida State (-/4) A L 21-48
S 26 Virginia (-/14) H L 28-55
O 17 Clemson (-/19) A L 6-21
N 14 N.C. State (-/14) A L 27-45
N 21 North Carolina (-/21) H L 28-31

1993

S 4 Florida State (-/1) H L 7-45
S 25 Virginia (-/22) A L 0-35
O 2 Tennessee (-/11) A L 19-52
N 6 N.C. State (-/22) H W 21-20
N 26 North Carolina (-/13) A L 24-38

1994

O 29 Florida State (16/9) A L 20-59
N 5 Virginia (23/13) H W 28-25

1995

S 2 Florida State (-/1) N L 26-70
S 23 Maryland (-/24) A L 28-41
O 14 Virginia (-/19) A L 30-44
N 11 Clemson (-/24) A L 17-34

1996

S 7 Florida State (-/3) A L 7-44
N 2 Virginia (-/16) H L 3-27
N 23 North Carolina (-/13) H L 10-27

1997

O 11 Florida State (-/4) H L 27-51
N 22 North Carolina (-/8) A L 14-50

1998

S 19 Florida State (-/11) A L 13-62
S 26 Virginia (-/11) H L 0-24

1999

O 2 Florida State (-/1) N L 23-51
O 16 Georgia Tech (-/8) H L 31-38

2000

S 30 Clemson (-/7) H L 22-52
O 14 Florida State (-/7) A L 14-63

2001

S 1 Florida State (-/6) H L 13-55
S 22 Northwestern (-/16) H L 7-44
O 6 Georgia Tech (-/17) H L 10-37
O 20 Maryland (-/12) A L 17-59

2002

S 21 Florida State (-/5) A L 17-48
O 19 N.C. State (-/13) A L 22-24

2003

A 30 Virginia (-/18) A L 0-27
S 27 Florida State (-/6) H L 7-56
N 1 Tennessee (-/19) A L 6-23

2004

S 25 Maryland (-/23) H L 21-55
O 23 Virginia (-/14) H L 16-37
N 6 Florida State (-/13) A L 7-29

2005

S 10 Virginia Tech (-/7) H L 0-45
S 24 Virginia (-/23) A L 7-38
O 8 Miami (-/9) A L 7-52
O 22 Florida State (-/11) H L 24-55

2006

S 16 Virginia Tech (-/14) A L 0-36
N 11 Boston College (-/22) A L 7-28
N 18 Georgia Tech (-/18) A L 21-49

2007

O 13 Virginia Tech (-/12) H L 14-43
N 3 Clemson (-/25) H L 10-47

2009

S 19 Kansas (-/22) A L 16-44
O 3 Virginia Tech (-/6) H L 26-34
N 14 Georgia Tech (-/7) H L 10-49
N 21 Miami (-/20) A L 16-34

2010

S 18 Alabama (-/1) H L 13-62
O 23 Virginia Tech (-/23) A L 7-44

2011

S 10 Stanford (-/6) H L 14-44
O 29 Virginia Tech (-/15) H L 10-14

2012

S 8 Stanford (-/25) A L 13-50
O 27 Florida State (-/11) A L 7-48
N 3 Clemson (-/10) H L 20-56

2013

O 26 Virginia Tech (-/16) A W 13-10
N 16 Miami (-/24) H W 48-30
D 7 Florida State (20/1) N L 7-45
D 31 Texas A&M (22/20) N L 48-52

2014

O 11 Georgia Tech (-/22) A W 31-25
D 27 Arizona State (-/15) N L 31-36

2015

S 19 Northwestern (-/23) H L 10-19
S 26 Georgia Tech (-/20) H W 34-20
N 11 North Carolina (-/21) A L 31-66

2016

O 14 Louisville (-/7) A L 14-24
N 5 Virginia Tech (-/23) H L 21-24
N 10 North Carolina (-/15) H W 28-27

2017

S 29 Miami (-/14) H L 6-31
O 28 Virginia Tech (-/13) A L 3-24

2018

N 17 Clemson (-/2) A L 6-35

2019

A 31 Alabama (-/2) N L 3-42


https://s3.amazonaws.com/goduke.com/documents/2019/7/30/2019_Duke_Football_Media_Guide.pdf

[Reilly]

34 Osita Ekwonu 6-0 3/4 230 Freshman Charlotte, NC Providence Day School LB
34 Jahmir Smith 5-11 205 Sophomore Sanford, NC Lee County RB
39 Jonathan Doerer 6-3 203 Junior Charlotte, NC South Mecklenburg K/P
42 Julian Okwara 6-4 1/2 248 Senior Charlotte, NC Ardrey-Kell DL

https://und.com/sports/football/roster/season/2019-20/

[Reilly]

6 Eli Pancol WR 6-3 195 Fr. Pendleton, Ind. / Pendleton Heights

[Reilly]

I didn't realize he was going to join Weis's first staff ... thought Charlie had been there already: https://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=2073669

Looks like Peter Vaas was hired to replace Cut: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football_team ... and Vaas ended up at Duke in 2007 ...

[Devilwin]

We got this. Mark it down.

Noted..lol Would not surprise me one bit if we won.

[peloton]

We got this. Mark it down.

I'm with OPK (and of course Ozzie), I'm feeling an upset coming on here.

[duke2x]

It will be an interesting game for the weather alone...sunny and high of only 49 during the day, could well be in the thirties at game time...stands will be full of fans, many of whom haven't sat three plus hours in a chill like that (especially chilly when you aren't moving)...

When it comes to weather, we are worse than that FL NFL teams. Some cold performances I've experienced:

2000 UNC @ Duke (UNC 59-21). This is the coldest I've ever been at a Duke home game, and it was a noon game.
2007 Duke @ ND (ND 28-7). This cost Roof his job, and this was a 3-9 ND team.
2014 UNC @ Duke (UNC 45-20). This is the worst loss on the list.
2016 UNC @ Duke (Duke 28-27). This was probably the nicest weather on the list, and I'm including it to be fair.
2016 Duke @ Pitt (Pitt 56-14). It actually snowed over lunch for a 3:30 game.

I like teams that run the ball and hold on to it in adverse weather conditions. We don't do the latter this year.


Early line in Vegas - ND by 7. Thought it might be higher.

Sagarin predicts ND by nine and has been consistent in the 10 range for a few weeks.


Try buying a cup of hot chocolate or coffee.

Duke is already sending out bread-and-milk alarms for this game. Even when the stadium would be full (40004) in the past, I've never seen them create satellite parking with special bus service and open the main parking lots at 6AM for night game. They probably expect artificial warmth pregame anyway.

[Reilly]

... Some cold performances I've experienced:

2000 UNC @ Duke (UNC 59-21). This is the coldest I've ever been at a Duke home game, and it was a noon game.
2007 Duke @ ND (ND 28-7). This cost Roof his job, and this was a 3-9 ND team ...

I was at both of these. The 2012 Belk Bowl against Cincy was darn chilly, too.

I was also at the 1990 Virginia and 2018 WFU games but those were cold in another way.

[duke2x]

I was at both of these. The 2012 Belk Bowl against Cincy was darn chilly, too.

I was also at the 1990 Virginia and 2018 WFU games but those were cold in another way.

You can also add that and FSU v. Duke 2013 to my list of cold (mostly night) games, but FSU was the national champion that year. (FSU 45-7). My point, ultimately, is that Vegas isn't very good when we have cold weather.

[budwom]

We got this. Mark it down.

I shall only note that your post was written in the hours just after cocktail hour.

[devildeac]

I shall only note that your post was written in the hours just after cocktail hour.

I *think* OPK has professed his Irish heritage at some point on these here boards, sooooooo……

…..every hour is cocktail hour.

(I've got work to do. I'll be back later this week. :o)

[throatybeard]

2007 Duke @ ND (ND 28-7). This cost Roof his job, and this was a 3-9 ND team.

I was there and it wasn't cold in any meaningful sense. It was low forties--in late November in Northern Indiana. No significant wind. Layered up, it was a nonissue.

We lost/didn't cover because we were terrible, not because it was chilly.

[du_bb1]

"The 2012 Belk Bowl against Cincy was darn chilly, too". I have to differ on this it was d... cold!

[budwom]

I was there and it wasn't cold in any meaningful sense. It was low forties--in late November in Northern Indiana. No significant wind. Layered up, it was a nonissue.

We lost/didn't cover because we were terrible, not because it was chilly.

when it comes to losing football games over the years, we are as versatile as any team in the country...heat, cold, wind, sun, we can do it all. Perhaps the nastiest I ever witnessed was the 7-0 loss (I think) to Rutgers in the Meadowlands with Spurrier as coach...an absolute monsoon, multiple inches of rain and major wind....as an added bonus, I got to drive home in that weather system the next day and it turned into an early October snowstorm, trees down everywhere, interstates closed, had to seek shelter from friends 150 miles from home.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

"The 2012 Belk Bowl against Cincy was darn chilly, too". I have to differ on this it was d... cold!

You can't spell how cold that game was without an F somewhere......

[devildeac]

You can't spell how cold that game was without an F somewhere...

Was it 9F cold?

[jimsumner]

when it comes to losing football games over the years, we are as versatile as any team in the country...heat, cold, wind, sun, we can do it all. Perhaps the nastiest I ever witnessed was the 7-0 loss (I think) to Rutgers in the Meadowlands with Spurrier as coach...an absolute monsoon, multiple inches of rain and major wind...as an added bonus, I got to drive home in that weather system the next day and it turned into an early October snowstorm, trees down everywhere, interstates closed, had to seek shelter from friends 150 miles from home.

A few years ago I checked "go to a football game in a hurricane" off my to-do list. Matthew was hoot and a half. I'll take chilly.

[throatybeard]

F, yes indeed, "forties."

Much like @ND2007, the Belk Bowl was also nowhere near as cold as people say. The high that day was 50ish; by game time it had dropped to about 43 and by game's end around 39. At night, on December 27th.

[CameronBornAndBred]

We decided on our tailgate menu; reverse seared rib-eye steak and a potato bar to go along with a bunch of other stuff.
If you are planning on going to the game, you are welcome to come join us, or at least stop by and say hi.

I'm filling a 5 gallon cooler with hot apple cider, that's going to be a welcome drink on a cold day. (Made better with brandy, too!)
Rest of our menu is at the link below.
http://crazietalk.net/ourhouse/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5973

[DU82]

I was there and it wasn't cold in any meaningful sense. It was low forties--in late November in Northern Indiana. No significant wind. Layered up, it was a nonissue.

We lost/didn't cover because we were terrible, not because it was chilly.

You forgot about the drizzle and occasional flurry.

[Acymetric]

You can't spell how cold that game was without an F somewhere...

The ACC title game against FSU was pretty unpleasant too (maybe not quite as cold, but with a misting rain and win it made that upper section pretty miserable).

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

The ACC title game against FSU was pretty unpleasant too (maybe not quite as cold, but with a misting rain and win it made that upper section pretty miserable).

Hey,I was there!

*Cold hand high five*

We hung in there okay for a quarter

[Acymetric]

Hey,I was there!

*Cold hand high five*

We hung in there okay for a quarter

Ok, I had to look up the box score, and apparently my memory of that game is completely wrong. I somehow recalled going into halftime only down 3-0, and then getting blown out in the 2nd half, but apparently you are correct and they started scoring TDs in the 2nd quarter.

I wonder if I completely fabricated that memory, or if I'm thinking of some other game against an upper tier opponent under Cut where we held tough the whole first half before giving way.

[Acymetric]

Ok, I had to look up the box score, and apparently my memory of that game is completely wrong. I somehow recalled going into halftime only down 3-0, and then getting blown out in the 2nd half, but apparently you are correct and they started scoring TDs in the 2nd quarter.

I wonder if I completely fabricated that memory, or if I'm thinking of some other game against an upper tier opponent under Cut where we held tough the whole first half before giving way.

Soo...I'm pretty sure the game/score scenario I was remembering was from @GT in 2008. Some wires must have gotten seriously crossed for me to apply it to the FSU ACC Championship game. Went into the half down 3-0...lost 27-0.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2008-10-04-georgia-tech.html

[HereBeforeCoachK]

The ACC title game against FSU was pretty unpleasant too (maybe not quite as cold, but with a misting rain and win it made that upper section pretty miserable).

It was more miserable for me. I happened to be in Florida visiting my wife's family....went to a sports bar to watch the game, and of course nothing but Seminole fans there...even though the weather was nice.

[du_bb1]

"Much like @ND2007, the Belk Bowl was also nowhere near as cold as people say. The high that day was 50ish; by game time it had dropped to about 43 and by game's end around 39. At night, on December 27th."


But don't forget the `15-20 MPH winds. These old bones don't like the cold........

[Reilly]

Of the 150 greatest CFB games ever, ND's high is rated #6 and Duke's #142:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/page/CFB150games/the-150-greatest-games-college-football-150-year-history

[Reilly]

NOTRE DAME

+52 BGSU
+52 New Mex
+18 @LV
+15 UVa
+03 SoCal
+01 VT
-------------------
-06 @UGA
-31 @UMich


DUKE

+35 @VT
+32 NCAT
+23 @MTSU
+18 GT
----------------
-03 @UNC
-03 Pitt
-34 @UVa
-39 N 'Bama

[Bob Green]

There are two common opponents Virginia and Virginia Tech. Duke best Virginia Tech by 35 while ND beat them by 1. ND best Virginia by 15 while Duke lost by 34.

[devildeac]

There are two common opponents Virginia and Virginia Tech. Duke best Virginia Tech by 35 while ND beat them by 1. ND best Virginia by 15 while Duke lost by 34.

Sooo, should we win by 34 or lose by 49?

;)

[sagegrouse]

Sooo, should we win by 34 or lose by 49?

;)
Somewhere in there.

[Bob Green]

Sooo, should we win by 34 or lose by 49?

;)

Yes.

[Bob Green]

Jim Sumner article is up on the front page:

https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/platform/amp/2019/11/5/20950424/cutcliffe-duke-football-prep-for-notre-dame-wallace-wade-stadium?utm_campaign=dukebasketballreport&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Money quote:


Cutcliffe says Duke has concentrated on offensive precision.

[Bob Green]

I like us coming off a bye:

2019: Beat Virginia Tech, ?
2018: Beat Georgia Tech
2017: Loss to Army
2016: Loss to Georgia Tech
2015: Beat Virginia Tech
2014: Beat Georgia Tech, Beat Pittsburgh
2013: Beat Navy, Beat N.C. State
2012: Loss to Georgia Tech

Starting with the first bowl eligible season under Coach Cutcliffe, Duke is 7-3 after a bye.

[Reilly]

Watch Cut's press conference here: https://goduke.com/sports/football

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

For those who have managed to forget how far Duke football has come, I'm sure I'm not the only person who read this article hoping to find no mention of Duke AND pleasantly surprised to see us relegated to honorable mention status.

Cumberland College's legendary loss highlights the CFB 150 All-Time Bottom 10 https://es.pn/2JRywuo

Cut has carried us futher than many of us thought possible. How many of you would be shocked if we won this weekend?

[budwom]

me. Defense will keep us in the game only so long. ND is far from a great team....but our offense is broken and can't get up.
And as much as I admire Cutcliffe, "precision" is hardly our offensive problem. We are number 129 out of 130 FBS teams in terms of explosive plays, as in we don't have any.
Our wide receivers are the 110th most productive....We either can't, or choose not to, throw the ball downfield.
Hope I'm surprised this weekend, I'll be there with my second warmest coat.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

For those who have managed to forget how far Duke football has come, I'm sure I'm not the only person who read this article hoping to find no mention of Duke AND pleasantly surprised to see us relegated to honorable mention status.

Cumberland College's legendary loss highlights the CFB 150 All-Time Bottom 10 https://es.pn/2JRywuo

Cut has carried us futher than many of us thought possible. How many of you would be shocked if we won this weekend?

All true. Also true is that Clawson is now ahead of Cut at WF, or an argument could be made on that...and Baylor has risen from the ashes and passed us by rapidly. (keeping with the private school thing) - not to mention SMU.

I mean, I love Cut, but I am getting over the "has carried us further" argument. Maybe it's a "get off my lawn" moment for me...

[budwom]

All true. Also true is that Clawson is now ahead of Cut at WF, or an argument could be made on that...and Baylor has risen from the ashes and passed us by rapidly. (keeping with the private school thing) - not to mention SMU.

I mean, I love Cut, but I am getting over the "has carried us further" argument. Maybe it's a "get off my lawn" moment for me...

You are not alone. The "we used to be pitiful" excuse goes only so far. We've been in a backward slide for several years now, our conference record in that stretch has been WAY below .500.
Cut's a fine man and has (with robust help from the administration) breathed life into the program. That's a great thing for which we're all grateful. But we are on a downward trajectory that needs fixing, or Cut's oft stated goal of "competing for championships" will ring awfully hollow.

[Bob Green]

...but our offense is broken and can't get up.
We are number 129 out of 130 FBS teams in terms of explosive plays, as in we don't have any.
Our wide receivers are the 110th most productive...We either can't, or choose not to, throw the ball downfield.

Budwom is spot on!

The offense absolutely must successfully throw the ball downfield if we are to have any chance to win. I’ll be in Wallace wade full of optimism at kickoff hoping to see our Blue Devils open up the offense and fight for 60 minutes.

Once (if) we complete a pass or two downfield, Notre Dame will have to back a safety out of the box which will open up the running game and underneath stuff. Be assured Notre Dame will start the game playing press coverage outside with the box loaded.

There is absolutely no reason to take a conservative offensive approach. Let’s come out swinging and if we go down at least we go down swinging.

[Reilly]

https://goduke.com/documents/2019/11/5//Game_Notes_Notre_Dame.pdf?id=19925

[Reilly]

https://goduke.com/documents/2019/11/5//Notre_Dame_Notes.pdf?id=19924

[duke2x]

The weather forecast has moderated to typical January: 52/32 0% rain. :D

[chrishoke]

Uniform for Saturday - blue top and pants, white helmet w/ script Duke, white shoes.

[chrishoke]

Uniform for Saturday - blue top and pants, white helmet w/ script Duke, white shoes.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1192456676558827520

[devildeac]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1192456676558827520

Winning combination, I hope.

[chrishoke]

Wonderful highlights from our win in South Bend.

https://twitter.com/DukeFOOTBALL/status/1192573711892635648

[duke2x]

Thanks for the link. It's better than the ACC Network highlight I have on my pregame Youtube list, but ACCN is more permanent and easier to access.

As much as the ND fans are supposed to be nice to visitors, that doesn't hold 100% when they lose to Duke football. (I also can't say the same for all Duke fans when ND won in Cameron earlier that year.)

[Devilwin]

Logic says we don't have much of a chance. Logic is for fools and Vulcans. Duke 31, ND 28...:cool:

[uh_no]

Logic says we don't have much of a chance. Logic is for fools and Vulcans. Duke 31, ND 28...:cool:

i prefer to think of myself as a vulcan with a human mother.

[devildeac]

I may have missed it upthread somewhere but I'm still waiting for Bob Green's prediction, but that might be some sort of crazietalk…

;):o

[Bob Green]

I may have missed it upthread somewhere but I'm still waiting for Bob Green's prediction...

Duke 27, Notre Dame 24

A.J. Reed will kick a game winning FG late in 4th quarter.

[devildeac]

Duke 27, Notre Dame 24

A.J. Reed will kick a game winning FG late in 4th quarter.

And, the official signal on that FGA is:


https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.phmtziPxBe5PTfkGLg0kjQHaJQ&w=123&h=160&c=8&rs=1&qlt=90&pid=3.1&rm=2

[Bob Green]

This is an entertaining preview from a Notre Dame site:

https://www.onefootdown.com/2019/11/8/20953271/notre-dame-football-duke-blue-devils-quentin-harris-deon-jackson-koby-quansah-david-cutcliffe-sports

It starts with an understatement:


The Duke Blue Devils offense is not particularly great this season.

[Bob Green]

College Football News preview:

https://collegefootballnews.com/2019/11/notre-dame-vs-duke-fearless-prediction-game-preview


...there won’t be too much to worry about from the Duke offense that doesn’t have the passing game lately to pull this off.

The various previews are consistently stating Duke can’t pass the ball. Those of us who follow Duke football closely are not going to argue the point. Notre Dame does not possess a strong run defense so they are going to load the box, focus on stopping the run and dare us to beat them passing.

Harris and the offense must achieve enough success passing to force ND to back off. This is a winnable game as long as we achieve offensive balance and sustain drives.

[chrishoke]

College Football News preview:

https://collegefootballnews.com/2019/11/notre-dame-vs-duke-fearless-prediction-game-preview



The various previews are consistently stating Duke can’t pass the ball. Those of us who follow Duke football closely are not going to argue the point. Notre Dame does not possess a strong run defense so they are going to load the box, focus on stopping the run and dare us to beat them passing.

Harris and the offense must achieve enough success passing to force ND to back off. This is a winnable game as long as we achieve offensive balance and sustain drives.

I don't like our chances in this one - it likely will get ugly quickly. Prove me wrong Devils.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

College Football News preview:

https://collegefootballnews.com/2019/11/notre-dame-vs-duke-fearless-prediction-game-preview



The various previews are consistently stating Duke can’t pass the ball. Those of us who follow Duke football closely are not going to argue the point. Notre Dame does not possess a strong run defense so they are going to load the box, focus on stopping the run and dare us to beat them passing.

Harris and the offense must achieve enough success passing to force ND to back off. This is a winnable game as long as we achieve offensive balance and sustain drives.

As of now, I certainly won't argue the point....but there were points earlier where we could pass the ball. Middle Tennessee is not a world beater, but they're not a lower division team, and gave Michigan fits for a good part of that game. Our passing game destroyed Middle Tennessee, wrapping up the game by half. There were other moments too in some other games.

But your'e right: at this moment: I don't see a passing game. It seems Harris has regressed, and maybe Bobo and Young too.

[75Crazie]

Our passing game destroyed Middle Tennessee, wrapping up the game by half.
There was one thing I saw at that game that differs sharply from what I've noticed in most of the following games. MTSU could not put any pressure on Harris at all, and he pretty much owned that game (including several very pretty long passes). In most of the games after that, the D-lines were able to pressure Harris and I really think that bothers him a bit. I suspect that might be part of the reason that there have been a paucity of downfield passing plays recently (along with the difficulty in our receivers getting early separation). Not to say that play schemes couldn't be drawn up to try to better relieve some of that pressure.

[DU82]

There was one thing I saw at that game that differs sharply from what I've noticed in most of the following games. MTSU could not put any pressure on Harris at all, and he pretty much owned that game (including several very pretty long passes). In most of the games after that, the D-lines were able to pressure Harris and I really think that bothers him a bit. I suspect that might be part of the reason that there have been a paucity of downfield passing plays recently (along with the difficulty in our receivers getting early separation). Not to say that play schemes couldn't be drawn up to try to better relieve some of that pressure.

I agree. What I’ve observed is that he isn’t getting to his second or third choices. If he could, he’d find some open receivers on the other side of the field.

[Bob Green]

GAME DAY!

The fact that Duke fans are discussing the possibility our Blue Devils can be competitive with Notre Dame on the Gridiron is indicative of how far the program has risen since Coach Cutcliffe arrived in 2008. Every Duke fan should take a couple moments today and mentally transport themselves back to 2000 - 2007.

I’ll keep my pregame comments brief. The defense and special teams have been getting the job done so they need to get it done tonight. The offense and play calling must be a lot better.

1. Sustain drives and score points — keep the defense rested.
2. Create turnovers but don’t commit them.
3. No dumb penalties.

Let’s Go Duke. It is time to secure win #5!

Final comment — since 2012, the first season Duke returned to being competitive — our beloved Blue Devils are 7-3 after a bye week.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Duke 27-ND 20 - carolina 9F

[Reilly]

Bob - amen re the transformation. Saddest I've ever been for Duke -- as a school -- was the opening FB game 2007. The lack of energy on campus was disheartening. Tonight will be a fall, football celebration for Duke, which at its best is a place of high energy and spirit and optimism (and intellectual rigor and morality). Cut has added to the vitality of the university and the spirit of the people.

[chrishoke]

Bob - amen re the transformation. Saddest I've ever been for Duke -- as a school -- was the opening FB game 2007. The lack of energy on campus was disheartening. Tonight will be a fall, football celebration for Duke, which at its best is a place of high energy and spirit and optimism (and intellectual rigor and morality). Cut has added to the vitality of the university and the spirit of the people.

I'm on the Reilly bus.

[peloton]

Can I get on or is it too crowded? Agreed regarding Cut...I'm still thankful we landed him. But there's a big football game tonight at 7:30 - let's go Blue Devils! Beat the Irish!

[richardjackson199]

For your Daily Wager I'm changing it up a bit.

Rather than a pie, this bet is for a Dewey's Moravian Sugar Cake (or one of the coffee cakes if you prefer). Made right here in Winston-Salem, and amazingly good if you like brown sugar. They're also much cheaper than the Grand Traverse pies. Even after shipping they're less than $18.

https://www.deweys.com/shop/category/d-coffee-cake/

I'll take Duke + 7.5 points.
You get Notre Dame -7.5 points.

First taker only. Bet offer expires at 5 pm. Anybody wanna play? :cool:

[75Crazie]

Bob - amen re the transformation. Saddest I've ever been for Duke -- as a school -- was the opening FB game 2007. The lack of energy on campus was disheartening. Tonight will be a fall, football celebration for Duke, which at its best is a place of high energy and spirit and optimism (and intellectual rigor and morality). Cut has added to the vitality of the university and the spirit of the people.
Gotta back up my Little Giant compadre on this one. I've said it before: short of any discovery of legal malfeasance, Cutcliffe has a lifetime pass from me in reward for his resurrection of Duke football. And I, for one, admire his support of his coaching staff … even if the play-calling might seem, at times, inscrutable.

[devildeac]

I have no idea with this one given our usually good D and our wildly unpredictable and inconsistent O. My WAG:

Domers 24
Devils 17

Staying out of RJ199's pie/cake zone. :p

[Pghdukie]

Duke will surely come prepared, but I dont share Bob's optimism. I think the Irish are just a little more athletic. I like Notre Dame, but will be ready to eat humble pie.

[hallcity]

Few students are showing up. Bad look

[OldPhiKap]

It’s okay. Many of us don’t get ACCN.

[jimsumner]

Jake Bobo and Brandon Hill out tonight.

[WakeDevil]

Who knew that lining up outside the neutral zone took such talent?

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Roper on fire with those third and two calls again.....

[djp10]

Roper on fire with those third and two calls again....
it's maddening

[Sixthman]

Two bad punts in a row.

[Sixthman]

We’re out of it basically without even trying because of poor offensive play calling. Duke players deserve a chance to compete.

[75Crazie]

Well, let's not put it all on the offense … the defense is doing their share as well.

[Avvocato]

I think this is where we need a Shaun Wilson KO return to the house.

[dukelifer]

Roper on fire with those third and two calls again...

Poor Roper- can’t stop getting the blame even after leaving Duke and coaching down the road.

[Sixthman]

A swing pass, behind the line; a pass one-half yard down field; a pass that missed the receiver by four yards — and the receiver was not past the sticks.

[Avvocato]

I missed the first drive. But you can’t win a game like this playing scared offensively. We have no tempo and are playing with no confidence offensively.

[jimsumner]

Poor Roper- can’t stop getting the blame even after leaving Duke and coaching down the road.

There is more than one Roper coaching college football. Zac is the one at Duke.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

There is more than one Roper coaching college football. Zac is the one at Duke.

That's right, and I believe Kurt's last game at Duke saw almost 700 yards of offense and 48 points. No complaints about Kurt.

[Sixthman]

ND Offensive line has a free pass to hold on passing plays. Sadly, this is pretty consistent with the way it’s been called all year.

[arnie]

I missed the first drive. But you can’t win a game like this playing scared offensively. We have no tempo and are playing with no confidence offensively.

First drive same as the second. Kind of like Hermans Hermits, 2nd verse same as the 1st.

[Sixthman]

We run up the middle on second and long well over half the time. So much that it’s predictable. Sometime we’re going to try to make a play on second and long and catch them by surprise. We’re setting them up — the long con.

[jwillfan]

I'm at the game. Fullest I've ever seen WW. O okay calling still mystifying. 3rd and 15 screen gaining 9 doesn't do it.

[TheDevilMadeMeDoIt]

Where is the team that destroyed Va Tech? Where is the deep ball? The running game is non existent. Why not throw deep to open up the run?

[peloton]

I hope this doesn't look as ugly as it sounds listening on the radio.

[peloton]

We run up the middle on second and long well over half the time. So much that it’s predictable. Sometime we’re going to try to make a play on second and long and catch them by surprise. We’re setting them up — the long con.

You forgot the smiley face at the end.

[TheDevilMadeMeDoIt]

At least we threw to the sticks.

[Avvocato]

Where is the team that destroyed Va Tech? Where is the deep ball? The running game is non existent. Why not throw deep to open up the run?

We seem too afraid to even call a pass past the line of scrimmage until it’s 3rd and long and only with a roll out. We’re acting like we’re playing against the 85 Bears defense.

Defense will be gassed in a drive or two. They’re being thrown under the bus by the offense.

[luvdahops]

We seem too afraid to even call a pass past the line of scrimmage until it’s 3rd and long and only with a roll out. We’re acting like we’re playing against the 85 Bears defense.

Defense will be gassed in a drive or two. They’re being thrown under the bus by the offense.

Our offense is badly broken right now. It is not even giving us a chance to compete.

[BlueandWhite]

Well, let's not put it all on the offense … the defense is doing their share as well.

Thank you. The #1 issue in this game is that Notre Dame’s O line is completely - 100% - controlling the line of scrimmage. That is all, doesn’t matter one iota what plays Duke calls or executes on offense, they can’t stop ND on defense.

[rtnorthrup]

We seem too afraid to even call a pass past the line of scrimmage until it’s 3rd and long and only with a roll out. We’re acting like we’re playing against the 85 Bears defense.

Defense will be gassed in a drive or two. They’re being thrown under the bus by the offense.

Cut has zero confidence in Harris. Thats pretty clear.

[WakeDevil]

Clemson and ND are competing for who can deliver the biggest beatdown in the Triangle tonight.

[TheDevilMadeMeDoIt]

This season is over, no bowl no more wins. This team regressed more than any Cutcliffe team I remember. We haven’t even suffered devastating injuries like some years. I’m normally a glass half full, but I just don’t see us doing anything. Maybe with this much negativity they will prove me wrong.

[Devilwin]

You are 100% correct..The team is listless, and has no fire whatsoever.

[SavDukeGrad]

Ugh. That injury to Kraeling didn’t look good.

[Avvocato]

This season is over, no bowl no more wins. This team regressed more than any Cutcliffe team I remember. We haven’t even suffered devastating injuries like some years. I’m normally a glass half full, but I just don’t see us doing anything. Maybe with this much negativity they will prove me wrong.

I’m disappointed in how the team is performing tonight so far, but I’m not giving up on the season. Hopefully the team rallies tonight, and if not tonight, in the last three games. Just focusing on tonight right now.

[Devilwin]

They've quit on the Coach and their fans. Very disappointing..

[arnie]

They've quit on the Coach and their fans. Very disappointing..

And we throw long for a TD!

[SavDukeGrad]

And we throw long for a TD!

That was a great throw and catch! Boy, we needed that!

[TheDevilMadeMeDoIt]

This season is over, no bowl no more wins. This team regressed more than any Cutcliffe team I remember. We haven’t even suffered devastating injuries like some years. I’m normally a glass half full, but I just don’t see us doing anything. Maybe with this much negativity they will prove me wrong.

Please prove me wrong!!!!!

[Sixthman]

Inexplicable. Not coaching to win.

[jwillfan]

Inexplicable.
.well said

[TheDevilMadeMeDoIt]

I just said that Coach had no faith in this team. My wife’s response was “Do you blame him.”

[SavDukeGrad]

Inexplicable. Not coaching to win.

Yep. Could have and should have gotten points there. Agree with the announcers.

[Devilwin]

Poor clock management on that last drive..

[WakeDevil]

I am not sure how to describe the play calling and clock management at the end of the half. Blown opportunity.

[arnie]

Inexplicable.

And the announcer not pulling any punches. That was horrible coaching at the end - the team seemed bothered he wouldn’t run another play.

[rtnorthrup]

I am not sure how to describe the play calling and clock management at the end of the half. Blown opportunity.

Wasted 2 TO on 2nd and 1. Was clear they were playing for FG from the moment of INT

[SavDukeGrad]

Mark Richt criticizing Cut too for not running another play/getting points.

[Devilwin]

Wasted 2 TO on 2nd and 1. Was clear they were playing for FG fro
m the moment of INT
My take exactly. We can win this if we just use our heads. The play calling has been abysmal again. I think Cut must do something there.

[jimsumner]

It's hard to blame Aaron Young's instincts on catching that deflected pass. But he should have just batted it down. A one yard pickup at the expense of keeping the clock moving. Not a good cost-benefit.

[Sixthman]

It's hard to blame Aaron Young's instincts on catching that deflected pass. But he should have just batted it down. A one yard pickup at the expense of keeping the clock moving. Not a good cost-benefit.

To be honest, it seemed like exactly what Cut wanted. If he had any intention of scoring a TD, he could have clocked it, run a quick play or called a timeout after the Young catch.

[Devilwin]

Nice. Bailed out yet another series of play calls.

[luvdahops]

Nice. Bailed out yet another series of play calls.

But not an atrocious read and throw by Harris. Smh

[fisheyes]

Very depressing game to watch.
We beat ourselves at every turn.
The offensive play calling is, well, offensive.
Seems we have taken 2 steps backward.
I am not sure how we take one step forward at this point.
The players seemed pissed at the play calls as well.
I don't see how we win 2 out of the next 3. Miami is surging and Wake is good.
Oh well.
Still support the team but everyone has got to be down tonight.

[Devilwin]

Very depressing game to watch.
We beat ourselves at every turn.
The offensive play calling is, well, offensive.
Seems we have taken 2 steps backward.
I am not sure how we take one step forward at this point.
The players seemed pissed at the play calls as well.
I don't see how we win 2 out of the next 3. Miami is surging and Wake is good.
Oh well.
Still support the team but everyone has got to be down tonight.
You hit the on the head. I'm sick of watching the team go from good to average, to fair, and now just downright putrid.
The play calling is God awful. The defense tries but gets gassed because of the anemic offense. The OC needs to go.

[richardjackson199]

I think we were just overmatched. Notre Dame played well, and has better players in every phase. It's tough to win 6 with 2 non-conference games against Bama and Notre Dame. Should have beaten Pitt & Cheats, but shoulda, woulda, coulda.

Let's just get a win against Syracuse, get some momentum, and then you never know. I didn't think we'd make a bowl 2 years ago when we lost like 6 in a row before winning the last 2 including at Wake.

And it's not impossible for Duke to make a bowl with 5 wins, given our tough schedule. That's less than 50%, so we want 6, but not impossible. Still love Cut. Just wasn't our day against a focused and good Irish.

[paris95]

You hit the on the head. I'm sick of watching the team go from good to average, to fair, and now just downright putrid.
The play calling is God awful. The defense tries but gets gassed because of the anemic offense. The OC needs to go.

Sadly, THIS. This team has too many good players to be so pathetic on offense. No reason at all to be as bad offensively as we are. Our defense can keep us in most games, but not when the offense can’t stay on the field. I get that ND is just better, and that winning was a long shot, but we don’t have to look like their little brother. We’re better than this, at least I think we are.

[Devilwin]

ND still playing starters. I doubt very much if we win another game. Smell the coffee folks. This is a very bad football team..

[TheDevilMadeMeDoIt]

Was Steve Sloan the guest offensive coordinator tonight? Short, sideways throws remind me of Sloan in the early 1980’s. The touchdown was on a down field throw, wasn’t it? What’s wrong with Cut? He is better than this!

[Kfanarmy]

Apparently ESPN thinks Duke is playing ND and Tenn at the same time...9934

[Devilwin]

Sadly, THIS. This team has too many good players to be so pathetic on offense. No reason at all to be as bad offensively as we are. Our defense can keep us in most games, but not when the offense can’t stay on the field. I get that ND is just better, and that winning was a long shot, but we don’t have to look like their little brother. We’re better than this, at least I think we are.

We were better than this, we beat VT like a rented mule. Then along comes Pitt and UNC, two games we could have won but for bone headed play calling. The team doesn't want to run the plays that are sent in. They see what the oc calls and just go through the motions. I am not ready to give up on Cut, but Roper most certainly needs a looking over. And trust me. There will be no bowl game this season...

[Bob Green]

Disappointing performance tonight. My optimism took a big hit.

[sagegrouse]

I thought we played hard -- not smart, but hard -- and were out-matched. Notre Dame controlled both lines of scrimmage.

We really didn't have much of a chance.

[rtnorthrup]

There's no adjustments. No gameplan. Just the same thing over and over again. Two weeks to prepare and we looked lost.

The terrible call at the end of UNC game looms even larger now.

[uh_no]

Disappointing performance tonight. My optimism took a big hit.

that was a rough pill. While I don't question our effort, I don't necessarily think the people outside the lines are optimizing the ability we have inside them.

What I wouldn't give to see DJ under center and us not so timid in looking downfield on O, or up-field on D (especially in the secondary....especially when the ball is in the air...if you know what i mean...)

[richardjackson199]

Disappointing performance tonight. My optimism took a big hit.

I don't disagree. Notre Dame is better, but this was a poor showing. At home. With a great crowd. More is expected, and I think Cut would agree.

[devildeac]

Disappointing performance tonight. My optimism took a big hit.

When Bob posts this, you know it was an inept/highly disappointing performance tonight.

[Hartford Dukie]

Steve Wiseman's commentary

https://www.heraldsun.com/latest-news/article237165374.html

"Duke’s offense has turned punchless and the season is on the line because of it"

DURHAM
A good September preceded a rough October for Duke football and, on Saturday night, November arrived to smack the Blue Devils when they were down.

No. 15 Notre Dame outclassed Duke, extending the Blue Devils’ losing streak to three games, with a 38-7 triumph at Wallace Wade Stadium.

[dukie’s_daughter]

One bright spot... Michael Carter’s interception was the Sportscenter top play from yesterday...

the one which gave us the ball at the 1 yard line... sigh...
Go DUKE! Beat Syracuse!!

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Some of us said that shutting it down at halftime versus Georgia Tech was a BAD BAD idea. They've never been the same since.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

I am not sure how to describe the play calling and clock management at the end of the half. Blown opportunity.

...I said the same thing at half of the Texas A and M game......and that was after a magnificent half of FB.

[Devilwin]

Well, It's been said before. Last night just serves to make me happy that basketball season is here at last! It's about time to throw the rotting carcass of the football season on the pyre.. :(

[UrinalCake]

One bright spot... Michael Carter’s interception was the Sportscenter top play from yesterday...

the one which gave us the ball at the 1 yard line... sigh...
Go DUKE! Beat Syracuse!!

Yep, great catch but not an intelligent play. Just knock it down, get the ball at the 20.

[chrishoke]

I sat through three quarters of last night's game. It was great to see the Wade packed once again. That's about it for the positives. We were clearly overmatched at the line of scrimmage and all over the field. However, that's no excuse for the uninspired, unprepared, unimaginative and unintelligent play of our team. Very depressing. Hard to see how we pick up the pieces after that debacle.

[jv001]

It's apparent that Coach Cut doesn't have confidence in our QB. After Harris threw an interception on a play where it looked like Bracey had beaten his man for a TD but Quinton threw what looked like an out route. When Quinton came to the sideline, Cut wasn't giving him any consoling. Harris tried to tell Cut his side of the story, but Cut wasn't having it. He just shook his head in what looked like disappointment. Our offense has gotten so predictable that the opposing team doesn't have to spend much time on how to defend our inept offense. For a coach that has as much knowledge on how an offense should be run, Cut is doing a very bad job of leadership. If the OCs to blame it's time to get rid of him and replace him with someone that can get his QB to throw the football down field. I'm not giving up on this team because I've actually seen it worse than this. Our backs are against the wall. So, let's see how the team and coaches respond. I guess it could be worse, our players can at least spell their own names. Unlike most of the players over on the Dump. 9F/GTHC!!!!

GoDuke!

[HereBeforeCoachK]

It's apparent that Coach Cut doesn't have confidence in our QB. After Harris threw an interception on a play where it looked like Bracey had beaten his man for a TD but Quinton threw what looked like an out route. When Quinton came to the sideline, Cut wasn't giving him any consoling. Harris tried to tell Cut his side of the story, but Cut wasn't having it. He just shook his head in what looked like disappointment. Our offense has gotten so predictable that the opposing team doesn't have to spend much time on how to defend our inept offense. For a coach that has as much knowledge on how an offense should be run, Cut is doing a very bad job of leadership. If the OCs to blame it's time to get rid of him and replace him with someone that can get his QB to throw the football down field. I'm not giving up on this team because I've actually seen it worse than this. Our backs are against the wall. So, let's see how the team and coaches respond. I guess it could be worse, our players can at least spell their own names. Unlike most of the players over on the Dump. 9F/GTHC!!!!

GoDuke!

This may be a wild hair comment, just out of pessimism....but with that confession as a caveat, I think QH has given up on the team now. He seems all too un-phased by the poor play, content to give his very articulate measured interviews when he should be ticked off, irritated, and not interested in the camera and microphone. Like I said, that may be an angry over read on my part....but that's one thing I'm seeing. And I don't really blame him, his future is Wall Street and these post game polished interviews are probably helping him. I'm just over it.

And speaking of pessimistic wild hairs: can Cut turn this around at age 65? In his Duke peak, 2013, he was not yet 60 and the program was skyrocketing. He's now mid 60s and it's plummeting.

[PDDuke85]

A stagnant, unimaginative offense and DB’s called for interference because they don’t look back for the ball. Who are the 2 assistant coaches who’ve been here since Cutcliffe arrived?
I’m just not optimistic the direction of the program is pointed upward any further as long as the current tenants reside at the Yoh. I’m not saying move on from Cutcliffe, but damn, I’d like to see changes on the coaching staff

[aGDevil2k]

that was a rough pill. While I don't question our effort, I don't necessarily think the people outside the lines are optimizing the ability we have inside them.

What I wouldn't give to see DJ under center and us not so timid in looking downfield on O, or up-field on D (especially in the secondary...especially when the ball is in the air...if you know what i mean...)

I would agree, except in most games, our offense and team struggled with Jones.

Remember, his teams never had winning ACC records. Quentin has been rough lately, but the quarterback is just a distraction from the larger, and more systemic, issues.

I mean with a starting NFL quarterback, we struggled against ACC teams.

[MaxAMillion]

Sometimes you just have to accept that it was the other team's night. ND has more talent and they appeared to be on their game last night...it happens. I think QB play is a big problem. Playcalling appears to be limited because there is only so much you can do with the QB. Cut will need to upgrade that position this off season.

[dm9e24]

Since the highlight of the season (Blacksburg) we are 1-4, while VT is 4-1. Tech has used 3 QB's this season. We apparently only have 1, under a QB guru. Their program is on an upswing since that night, our's is a stumbling, bumbling program.
I read Jim Sumner's and others explanations in another thread as to why we aren't any better as a program with all these limitations we have. That was 3 games ago. I am not sure how anyone, diehard or the average fan, can find the state of our program anything but discouraging the last three games as we look to be seemingly digressing

I watched my alma mater beat a SEC team last night after also beating unc earlier in the year, both at their places. Two games we would have lost. And the biggest thing I noticed is the difference in the coaching preparations. And App's coach has never been a head coach.

[jafarr1]

Sometimes you just have to accept that it was the other team's night. ND has more talent and they appeared to be on their game last night...it happens. I think QB play is a big problem. Playcalling appears to be limited because there is only so much you can do with the QB. Cut will need to upgrade that position this off season.

We had an NFL quarterback who was taken first round last season, and Cutcliffe had a very similar play-calling philosophy.

And while Notre Dame was on their game early, they should have put up 50+ on us. They started mailing it in midway through the game when it became apparent that we weren’t going to mount any type of serious challenge.

[TheDevilMadeMeDoIt]

Sometimes you just have to accept that it was the other team's night. ND has more talent and they appeared to be on their game last night...it happens. I think QB play is a big problem. Playcalling appears to be limited because there is only so much you can do with the QB. Cut will need to upgrade that position this off season.

Here’s what I don’t get. I read one place that the quarterback can’t throw the long ball. Then I read somewhere else that his best throw is the long ball. Which is it? It seems to me the coaches don’t let him throw the long ball. Coach Cut admits he played for three at the end of the half when we’re behind by 14. He didn’t do that at the end of the Pitt game or the UNC game. So the team knows he has no faith in them! No wonder we get such a bad effort. Don’t get me wrong, I love what Coach has done. He came to Duke and gave us a chance to win some games, something only Spurrier did in the 40 years of Duke football mediocrity before Cut. I have a novel idea. How about opening the offense up, throw long, gamble like hell and see what happens. The season is close to shot anyway, so play like a young Spurrier did when he to had lesser talent than most every team we played. Just maybe the players will think you believe in them. I’m not mad that we lost to Notre Dame, I’m pissed we played and coached like crap!

[Bob Green]

I think QB play is a big problem. Playcalling appears to be limited because there is only so much you can do with the QB. Cut will need to upgrade that position this off season.

While I agree we need to upgrade the QB position, Harris is mediocre at best, I believe offensive line play is the bigger issue. In a prioritized list of action items, hiring a talented OL Coach should be #1. Hiring a proven Offensive Coordinator should be next. Coach Cutcliffe needs to take a long, hard look at his staff.

[barely]

You all make great and indisputable comments about Harris, the OC and the play calling. To add fuel to the fire about the coaching, why do put the back-up QB in and not give him a chance to show what he can do? We looked like we were trying to run the clock out most of the fourth quarter. And, to preempt a point, I know he came in after we had intercepted the pass on the two yard line (on fourth down) so there’s an argument for being conservative at that point, but the answer is don’t put him in if you don’t think he can handle it. If you’re (finally) going to play him in a game that is well over, why not let him show what he can do.

On a side note, not having Bobo was a big deal last night. While QB is clearly an issue, our receivers not named Bobo or Gray can’t catch the ball. Calhoun was particularly frustrating to watch last night.

[Papa John]

It's apparent that Coach Cut doesn't have confidence in our QB. After Harris threw an interception on a play where it looked like Bracey had beaten his man for a TD but Quinton threw what looked like an out route. When Quinton came to the sideline, Cut wasn't giving him any consoling. Harris tried to tell Cut his side of the story, but Cut wasn't having it. He just shook his head in what looked like disappointment. Our offense has gotten so predictable that the opposing team doesn't have to spend much time on how to defend our inept offense. For a coach that has as much knowledge on how an offense should be run, Cut is doing a very bad job of leadership. If the OCs to blame it's time to get rid of him and replace him with someone that can get his QB to throw the football down field. I'm not giving up on this team because I've actually seen it worse than this. Our backs are against the wall. So, let's see how the team and coaches respond. I guess it could be worse, our players can at least spell their own names. Unlike most of the players over on the Dump. 9F/GTHC!!!!

GoDuke!

I took that more as an indication that Harris had made a mistake. My initial read of the interception was that the receiver must have run the wrong route until they showed the exchange between Cut and Harris on the sideline. That exchange told me that the receiver likely made the correct read, but Harris didn’t. Tough for us as spectators to know either way, but someone clearly made a big mistake on that play.

[peloton]

I wasn't able to watch the game (don't get me started on the ACCN), but it sounds like I shouldn't watch The David Cutcliffe Show today. Call me a glutton for punishment but I will as I need to see Wallace Wade full if nothing else. This was a very discouraging loss though, no doubt.

[Bob Green]

On a side note, not having Bobo was a big deal last night. While QB is clearly an issue, our receivers not named Bobo or Gray can’t catch the ball. Calhoun was particularly frustrating to watch last night.

No doubt Calhoun had a subpar night but he has 40 catches which is 33 more than Bobo. Yes, I know Bobo missed games due to injury but he hasn’t really done much in the games he did play.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Here’s what I don’t get. I read one place that the quarterback can’t throw the long ball. Then I read somewhere else that his best throw is the long ball. Which is it? !

He throws the long ball better than he throws any thing else. And by long ball, not only 50 yard throws, but even some patterns where a 20-25 yard throw requires arc. Quick go routes, corner patters, etc. See Baylor game last year for evidence. Threw several great balls that required arc...while awful on other throws. And iMO his best moments this year have been on the long ball.

And certainly the O line is an issue on the long ball, but as Duke showed in the UVa game on the long TD play from I think Bracey, a quick go pattern requiring a short drop and less than 2 seconds is the kind of long ball you can call without needing big time protection. That kind of play also keeps the D backs on their heels and frustrates the D line, even if it doesn't work all the time. Has the potential to open up all kinds of other plays too.

[sagegrouse]

I am not sure how anyone, diehard or the average fan, can find the state of our program anything but discouraging the last three games as we look to be seemingly digressing



No. "Digressing" is what we do on DBR. You mean, "regressing."

We next play --

Syracuse at home -- having a worse season than we are -- no conference wins.

Wake -- who is having a good season -- we get to play after they play Clemson. Last year the foot was in the other shoe.

Miami -- we still owe the Canes a beating -- in fact, we will always owe them a beating

[SavDukeGrad]

Do we know anything about injuries after the game last night? We had several players go down, and Kraeling’s didn’t look good to me. Does Jim Sumner, or anyone, have any updates?

Also, what was wrong with Bobo last night? Was this related to his prior injury, or something new? He and Bracey played so well against Carolina; I was really hoping the two of them would be offensive weapons for us going forward. Of course, that assumes QH has time to throw...

[Devilwin]

While I do agree to be glad to see W Wade full, not so glad to see many if not half wearing Notre Dame colors.
Then the idiot announcer that kept calling it "Wade Wallace" stadium. I have been screaming about the poor play calling for three years and more, and gotten shouted down here for it. Glad to see people waking up. Roper has to go..Been a Duke fan since I was 11. 67 now, and I do not want the bad years to return, and to my eyes they are just on the horizon.
That being said, I appreciate what Cut has done for Duke football. But the future looks anything but bright.:mad:

[jimsumner]

Do we know anything about injuries after the game last night? We had several players go down, and Kraeling’s didn’t look good to me. Does Jim Sumner, or anyone, have any updates?

Also, what was wrong with Bobo last night? Was this related to his prior injury, or something new? He and Bracey played so well against Carolina; I was really hoping the two of them would be offensive weapons for us going forward. Of course, that assumes QH has time to throw...

Nothing official on Kraeling. But I've (unfortunately) seen a lot of ACL injuries and this had the look of one.

Bobo did not reinjure his collar bone, I am told.

[peloton]

Then the idiot announcer that kept calling it "Wade Wallace" stadium.:mad:

Please tell me you're joking here. We actually have an announcer who doesn't know the name of our stadium? Unreal.

[SavDukeGrad]

Nothing official on Kraeling. But I've (unfortunately) seen a lot of ACL injuries and this had the look of one.

Bobo did not reinjure his collar bone, I am told.

Thanks, Jim!

That was my reaction, too, when I saw Kraeling’s injury - sure hope I’m wrong.

[jimsumner]

Some thoughts on the conservative play calling.

Call it informed speculation.

Duke's play calling is seriously impacted by the need to keep Harris healthy. There is nothing behind him.

This may seem harsh but right now Chris Katrenick is nowhere near being an ACC-caliber QB. He may be down the road. But not right now.

In fact, should Harris suffer a significant injury (knock on wood), I strongly suspect Duke would move either Calhoun or Bracey to QB and run a wildcat package. Both played QB in high school.

Throwing deep puts the QB at greater risk of getting hit.

So, don't throw deep.

Remember that triple-option everyone was touting a month or so ago? Triple-option QB's get hit.

So, we're not seeing it. We're not seeing as many called runs for Harris, we're not seeing as much RPO. The pass plays seem to be designed for Harris to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible. He's rarely running through his progressions because getting rid of the ball quickly is taking priority.

Yes, I realize the irony of a coach touted as a quarterback whisperer having so few options. But as valuable as Daniel Jones might be in the long term, he did contribute to some short-term issues. He scared off Jack Sears and who knows who else but left Duke with a year of eligibility remaining.

And Cut did not go after any of the numerous grad-student transfer QB options available last fall. For some reason, he just does not like the idea.

And Gunnar Holmberg getting hurt was just bad luck. Holmberg had always been viewed in the program as Jones' eventual replacement and that's in some jeopardy.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

And Cut did not go after any of the numerous grad-student transfer QB options available last fall. For some reason, he just does not like the idea.

And Gunnar Holmberg getting hurt was just bad luck. Holmberg had always been viewed in the program as Jones' eventual replacement and that's in some jeopardy.

Am I to understand that Holmberg's injury was so severe as to jeopardize his long term future?

[Bob Green]

Thanks, Jim. The forum benefits greatly from your even keeled analysis.

[fuse]

Some thoughts on the conservative play calling.

Call it informed speculation.

Duke's play calling is seriously impacted by the need to keep Harris healthy. There is nothing behind him.

This may seem harsh but right now Chris Katrenick is nowhere near being an ACC-caliber QB. He may be down the road. But not right now.

In fact, should Harris suffer a significant injury (knock on wood), I strongly suspect Duke would move either Calhoun or Bracey to QB and run a wildcat package. Both played QB in high school.

Throwing deep puts the QB at greater risk of getting hit.

So, don't throw deep.

Remember that triple-option everyone was touting a month or so ago? Triple-option QB's get hit.

So, we're not seeing it. We're not seeing as many called runs for Harris, we're not seeing as much RPO. The pass plays seem to be designed for Harris to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible. He's rarely running through his progressions because getting rid of the ball quickly is taking priority.

Yes, I realize the irony of a coach touted as a quarterback whisperer having so few options. But as valuable as Daniel Jones might be in the long term, he did contribute to some short-term issues. He scared off Jack Sears and who knows who else but left Duke with a year of eligibility remaining.

And Cut did not go after any of the numerous grad-student transfer QB options available last fall. For some reason, he just does not like the idea.

And Gunnar Holmberg getting hurt was just bad luck. Holmberg had always been viewed in the program as Jones' eventual replacement and that's in some jeopardy.

Jim, thanks for the always excellent insight.

The unintended consequence of this conservative approach has been stagnation/backsliding.

My humble opinion is Duke is now in a no risk, no reward situation.

Duke may not win another football game this season playing with these well intended protective yet self imposed restrictive game plans.

[Devilwin]

Please tell me you're joking here. We actually have an announcer who doesn't know the name of our stadium? Unreal.

He said it three times..
Jim, good insight, but that does not excuse the end game call at UNC, or the poor clock management on the attempted fg last night.. Nor the defensive backs set that allowed Pitt to beat us in that contest.

[arnie]

Some thoughts on the conservative play calling.

Call it informed speculation.

Duke's play calling is seriously impacted by the need to keep Harris healthy. There is nothing behind him.

This may seem harsh but right now Chris Katrenick is nowhere near being an ACC-caliber QB. He may be down the road. But not right now.

In fact, should Harris suffer a significant injury (knock on wood), I strongly suspect Duke would move either Calhoun or Bracey to QB and run a wildcat package. Both played QB in high school.

Throwing deep puts the QB at greater risk of getting hit.

So, don't throw deep.

Remember that triple-option everyone was touting a month or so ago? Triple-option QB's get hit.

So, we're not seeing it. We're not seeing as many called runs for Harris, we're not seeing as much RPO. The pass plays seem to be designed for Harris to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible. He's rarely running through his progressions because getting rid of the ball quickly is taking priority.

Yes, I realize the irony of a coach touted as a quarterback whisperer having so few options. But as valuable as Daniel Jones might be in the long term, he did contribute to some short-term issues. He scared off Jack Sears and who knows who else but left Duke with a year of eligibility remaining.

And Cut did not go after any of the numerous grad-student transfer QB options available last fall. For some reason, he just does not like the idea.

And Gunnar Holmberg getting hurt was just bad luck. Holmberg had always been viewed in the program as Jones' eventual replacement and that's in some jeopardy.
With that strategy, we never had a chance to win. Maybe should have forfeited the game to keep Harris healthy?

[jimsumner]

He said it three times..
Jim, good insight, but that does not excuse the end game call at UNC, or the poor clock management on the attempted fg last night.. Nor the defensive backs set that allowed Pitt to beat us in that contest.

I think I made my opinion on the end-of-game call at UNC abundantly clear. Ditto with last night's late first-half clock management.

Holmberg? Well, it is a knee injury. Sometimes folks recover completely, sometimes we get Kelby Brown or Jeremy McDuffie.

But this was supposed to have been the season for Holmberg to get lots of in-game experience leading into next season.

Scratch that.

And no word on whether Holmberg will be able to participate in spring ball. Missing that would set him back even further.

Assuming Cut again chooses to stay away from the grad-student option--and what a great time to go off form--Duke's QB options next season will be Holmberg, Katrenick and incoming freshman Luca Diamont, none with any significant college experience.

Now, we've seen true freshmen QBs come in and be pretty darn good. We only have to look at Sam Howells just down the road. But it's a big gamble.

Duke will have a significant amount of experience next season at every position except QB. Getting that position figured out is paramount.

Let me make one general comment about the assistant coaches. The current group seems in the aggregate to be better recruiters than the group 8-10 years earlier. But that earlier group in the aggregate was better at developing talent. IMO.

The head coach of a Power-5 football program is the CEO, tasked with overseeing the support staff, which includes the assistants. I think Cut is trying to balance loyalty and humanity in that area with the understanding that it's a zero-sum game and sometimes knowing when to say goodbye is an asset.

[szstark]

I think I made my opinion on the end-of-game call at UNC abundantly clear. Ditto with last night's late first-half clock management.

Holmberg? Well, it is a knee injury. Sometimes folks recover completely, sometimes we get Kelby Brown or Jeremy McDuffie.

But this was supposed to have been the season for Holmberg to get lots of in-game experience leading into next season.

Scratch that.

And no word on whether Holmberg will be able to participate in spring ball. Missing that would set him back even further.

Assuming Cut again chooses to stay away from the grad-student option--and what a great time to go off form--Duke's QB options next season will be Holmberg, Katrenick and incoming freshman Luca Diamont, none with any significant college experience.

Now, we've seen true freshmen QBs come in and be pretty darn good. We only have to look at Sam Howells just down the road. But it's a big gamble.

Duke will have a significant amount of experience next season at every position except QB. Getting that position figured out is paramount.

Let me make one general comment about the assistant coaches. The current group seems in the aggregate to be better recruiters than the group 8-10 years earlier. But that earlier group in the aggregate was better at developing talent. IMO.

The head coach of a Power-5 football program is the CEO, tasked with overseeing the support staff, which includes the assistants. I think Cut is trying to balance loyalty and humanity in that area with the understanding that it's a zero-sum game and sometimes knowing when to say goodbye is an asset.
This just begs the question - why not play Katrenick now? It would address several of your earlier points - it would give him experience toward next year, it would test whether he will ever be ready to be the Jones replacement, and it would open the playbook because there would be a quarterback behind him if he is ineffective or gets injured. Continuing to play Harris the way we do virtually guarantees two or three more losses. Why not try something that might help both now and in the future?

[budwom]

It's tough to reconcile Cut the QB Master with Harris's performance as a fifth year senior....and if he isn't good enough (which may well be the case), and if Katrenick isn't good enough (and I'm with Jim that he isn't)
then shouldn't we be doing a better job of recruiting quarterbacks? We simply haven't recruited that position very well, Holmberg notwithstanding.

[paris95]

Some thoughts on the conservative play calling.

Call it informed speculation.

Duke's play calling is seriously impacted by the need to keep Harris healthy. There is nothing behind him.

This may seem harsh but right now Chris Katrenick is nowhere near being an ACC-caliber QB. He may be down the road. But not right now.

In fact, should Harris suffer a significant injury (knock on wood), I strongly suspect Duke would move either Calhoun or Bracey to QB and run a wildcat package. Both played QB in high school.

Throwing deep puts the QB at greater risk of getting hit.

So, don't throw deep.

Remember that triple-option everyone was touting a month or so ago? Triple-option QB's get hit.

So, we're not seeing it. We're not seeing as many called runs for Harris, we're not seeing as much RPO. The pass plays seem to be designed for Harris to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible. He's rarely running through his progressions because getting rid of the ball quickly is taking priority.

Yes, I realize the irony of a coach touted as a quarterback whisperer having so few options. But as valuable as Daniel Jones might be in the long term, he did contribute to some short-term issues. He scared off Jack Sears and who knows who else but left Duke with a year of eligibility remaining.

And Cut did not go after any of the numerous grad-student transfer QB options available last fall. For some reason, he just does not like the idea.

And Gunnar Holmberg getting hurt was just bad luck. Holmberg had always been viewed in the program as Jones' eventual replacement and that's in some jeopardy.

Thanks for this analysis and insight, excellent as always. I had assumed our very conservative play calling, particularly in the early part of the game, was due to some combination of: an overall lack of faith in QH, a desire to keep from doing something to lose the game in the early moments, wanting to complete some short throws to get QH in a rhythm before opening things up, and unfounded faith in our running game. The injury fear is definitely another factor to put on the list. Whatever the reasoning, everyone seems to know what we’re doing and stacks the line accordingly making it very hard to run or throw short passes. The defense holds up but eventually wilts when we have several consecutive three and outs. By opening QH up to more hits, we might lose him and then lose the remaining games as a result, but I think we will do the latter anyway if we don’t open up the offense a little.

I would think this coming offseason would be the year to try a grad transfer QB if ever there was one. We have solid young receivers and two good RBs and a third if he can somehow stay healthy. In fact nearly everyone who touches the ball other than QH will be back. We have an O Line that will continue to improve with more time and seasoning, especially when it’s not starting 3 freshman, and we a have a solid defense that has a lot coming back. The pieces are there for a great run in 2020 if we can a get QB who can make plays. If a grad transfer QB doesn’t happen this offseason, then it never will. I would love to see us get someone enrolled for spring so that he could be there for spring ball, but that might be expecting too much.

[BlueandWhite]

Sometimes you just have to accept that it was the other team's night. ND has more talent and they appeared to be on their game last night...it happens. I think QB play is a big problem. Playcalling appears to be limited because there is only so much you can do with the QB. Cut will need to upgrade that position this off season.

ND completely dominated the line of scrimmage on offense (nearly 300 yards on the ground!) superior QB play by Ian Book; they’re just a more talented team on both sides of the ball. Despite two losses they are much better than #15. Our QB situation needs to be addressed. Not sure what happened to the team that beat VT in Blacksburg...

[dm9e24]

Jim's post are always insightful

What year would Sears be at Duke at he not chosen to go to USC and compete with 2 or 3 other 4 and 5* recruits as opposed to coming to Duke and competing with a former walk on, a kid not ACC ready and a QB that we have to shut our offense down to keep from getting injured.
Would he be eligible this year?

[sagegrouse]

Jim's post are always insightful

What year would Sears be at Duke at he not chosen to go to USC and compete with 2 or 3 other 4 and 5* recruits as opposed to coming to Duke and competing with a former walk on, a kid not ACC ready and a QB that we have to shut our offense down to keep from getting injured.
Would he be eligible this year?

He was a HS senior three years ago (Hurricane Matthew). Wouldn't he be a redshirt sophomore this season?

[jimsumner]

He was a HS senior three years ago (Hurricane Matthew). Wouldn't he be a redshirt sophomore this season?

Sears would be a redshirt sophomore, same as Katrenick, who Duke signed after Sears de-committed.

In other words, Sears could have redshirted as a freshman in 2017, backed up Jones last year as a redshirt freshman and competed with Harris for the starting job this season.

[duke2x]

My humble opinion is Duke is now in a no risk, no reward situation. Duke may not win another football game this season playing with these well intended protective yet self imposed restrictive game plans.

95% chance Harris and the seniors have 3 football games left in their lives without a bowl. The only question is whether we want to try and make it 4. We aren't beating Miami. Win the next 2 or bust.

[richardjackson199]

95% chance Harris and the seniors have 3 football games left in their lives without a bowl. The only question is whether we want to try and make it 4. We aren't beating Miami. Win the next 2 or bust.

I just don't agree with your post at all. But I respect you very much as a poster, and value your opinions more than mine quite honestly.

I think Wake Forest is actually the toughest matchup for us with their outstanding offense.

But I think our odds of making a bowl are much better than 5%. And there is NO question we want to try to make it 4 more games for our seniors. Maybe Cut saw some things where he decided to play conservatively against Notre Dame, the 2nd team we've played this year from last year's college football playoffs.

But don't think for a minute that Cut won't go all-in to make a bowl in our last 3 games. I wouldn't bet against him to get it done.

This season isn't done and neither is Duke. I think we go bowling, and I really think we earn it. We'll see.

[Devilwin]

I hope you are right. But the guys are evidently hamstrung by a timid coaching staff playing it too close to the vest to be competitive. I would put our chances at 30% of winning another game, 10% of making a bowl. Only Syracuse looks winnable to me.

[budwom]

I hope you are right. But the guys are evidently hamstrung by a timid coaching staff playing it too close to the vest to be competitive. I would put our chances at 30% of winning another game, 10% of making a bowl. Only Syracuse looks winnable to me.

100% agree, Miami and Wake will beat this team. Perhaps I'd up our chances vs Syracuse to 50% as I am generous on Mondays.

[dm9e24]

Sears would be a redshirt sophomore, same as Katrenick, who Duke signed after Sears de-committed.

In other words, Sears could have redshirted as a freshman in 2017, backed up Jones last year as a redshirt freshman and competed with Harris for the starting job this season.

So Sears didn't necessarily diss Duke because of Jones, but he just had an overinflated opinion of his abilities that have not panned out at USC either. Although his senior year, he more than likely didn't see Jones leaving early.

Maybe we catch lightening in a bottle like a number of programs have this year with freshmen QB's. But it seems like we would have had more alternatives than Harris and Katrenick with Cut's background with QB's. I guess Gunner was that guy, but physically, even before he hurt his knee, he didn't look the part of a D1 power 5 player. Standing beside Daniel in last years bowl game, he didn't look a day over 15.

[rtnorthrup]

Its not all about QH. We havent been able to establish a running game all season. We start two FR. on OL.

Beyond that,there are systematic problems with our offense. Roper doesnt seem to have good rhythm as a playmaker, but the game plan and playbook are all on Coach Cut. He has certain offensive paradigms that he isnt gong to stray from.

[Acymetric]

Duke will have a significant amount of experience next season at every position except QB. Getting that position figured out is paramount.


As always a great rundown by Jim (one of several just in the last few pages of this thread). I'll just note that, while this is 100% true on offense (we basically lose QH, Aaron Young, and Zach Baker as starters plus backup lineman Julian Santos), we do lose some key pieces on defense next year (Edgar Cerenord, Tre Hornbuckle, Koby Quansah, Dylan Singleton, and Trevon McSwain). Not insurmountable, but we're going to see a very different D-line next year...I feel comfortable with where we're heading at DE, hopefully some guys are ready to step up at DT.

What really scares me is that it feels like we are going to graduate about half the 2-deep after next season. There are a lot of juniors (redshirt or otherwise) on this year's squad playing key roles.

[killerleft]

The drive to end the half was so disheartening. Calling those two timeouts at about the 1:20 mark showed a complete lack of awareness. I can't believe we didn't have a plan for a two-minute drill or something. And failing to run a play during the last :18 would have been unbelievable if we hadn't seen similar stuff all too many times.

I was thinking that a QB draw might work, one of the few times a run up the middle might have been successful. Then call time out and possibly have time for a pass. Pass or run the first time, we could have run another play before resorting to a field goal. As someone mentioned, the linemen were looking at Quentin Harris, waiting for the cadence. All Q could do was gesture toward the sideline.

I can imagine the frustration our players must have felt as they headed to the tunnel at halftime. Talk about letting the whole team down? Check that box for our clueless brain trust.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

The drive to end the half was so disheartening. Calling those two timeouts at about the 1:20 mark showed a complete lack of awareness. I can't believe we didn't have a plan for a two-minute drill or something. And failing to run a play during the last :18 would have been unbelievable if we hadn't seen similar stuff all too many times.

I was thinking that a QB draw might work, one of the few times a run up the middle might have been successful. Then call time out and possibly have time for a pass.

...well, there's always the tailback jump pass.......

[killerleft]

...well, there's always the tailback jump pass...

Heck, even that beats... well, uh... Nope!

Three games in a row, our guys have not been given the best offensive or defensive help at the crucial moments.

[Bob Green]

Its not all about QH. We havent been able to establish a running game all season. We start two FR. on OL.

Our inability to run the football is frustrating but our passing attack is worse. Looking at conference games only, Duke is ranked 6/14 in Rushing Offense and 13/14 in Passing Offense.

Taking all games into account, Duke is ranked 7/14 in Rushing Offense and 13/14 in Passing Offense.

[AustinDevil]

So Sears didn't necessarily diss Duke because of Jones, but he just had an overinflated opinion of his abilities that have not panned out at USC either. Although his senior year, he more than likely didn't see Jones leaving early.

Maybe we catch lightening in a bottle like a number of programs have this year with freshmen QB's. But it seems like we would have had more alternatives than Harris and Katrenick with Cut's background with QB's. I guess Gunner was that guy, but physically, even before he hurt his knee, he didn't look the part of a D1 power 5 player. Standing beside Daniel in last years bowl game, he didn't look a day over 15.

We'd do much better to catch that lightning with a transfer (ask OU, or LSU), ideally a grad transfer who can come with more than one year of eligibility but play immediately (ask SMU). But I understand Cut strongly disfavors that route. And it's no guarantee either (ask Arkansas).

[jimsumner]

So Sears didn't necessarily diss Duke because of Jones, but he just had an overinflated opinion of his abilities that have not panned out at USC either. Although his senior year, he more than likely didn't see Jones leaving early.

Maybe we catch lightening in a bottle like a number of programs have this year with freshmen QB's. But it seems like we would have had more alternatives than Harris and Katrenick with Cut's background with QB's. I guess Gunner was that guy, but physically, even before he hurt his knee, he didn't look the part of a D1 power 5 player. Standing beside Daniel in last years bowl game, he didn't look a day over 15.

Sears committed to Duke under the assumption that redshirt senior Thomas Sirk would start at QB in 2016. Sears would come in a semester early and compete for the 2017 starting job with Parker Boehme and redshirt freshmen Daniel Jones and Quentin Harris, neither of whom would presumably have played much.

That changed when Sirk went down with an Achilles injury. Jones leapfrogged Boehme and became the 2016 starter and showed considerable promise early. Sears' path to starting in 2017 suddenly became much more difficult and he backed out of his commitment.

Sears didn't dis Duke as much as he recognized that beating out Daniel Jones would be a very difficult task.

[budwom]

Its not all about QH. We havent been able to establish a running game all season. We start two FR. on OL.

Beyond that,there are systematic problems with our offense. Roper doesnt seem to have good rhythm as a playmaker, but the game plan and playbook are all on Coach Cut. He has certain offensive paradigms that he isnt gong to stray from.

While it's true that we start two freshmen at offensive tackle, they replaced two experienced, highly recruited redshirt juniors, Jaylen Miller and Kraeling...so if the two frosh aren't getting the job done, there's little excuse for Miller and Kraeling not replacing them (except Kraeling went down bigtime in the ND game, unfortunately). The other OL guys are highly experienced: Wohlabaugh, Baker and Chambers, with some experienced backups like former starter Santos.
But I'm totally with you on the problems with the offense, it's just a broken mess right now....watching the receivers run their routes at the game, trying to take in the whole field, I honestly couldn't figure out what they were trying to do other than run into the heart of the ND defense (to little avail) and throw numerous ultra short passes (to even lesser avail).