FB: Duke @ Carolina, 4 pm, RSN

[Reilly]

Go to hell, Carolina.

[devildeac]

^^^^

Brave soul starting this thread.

I'll emphatically emphasize the GTHc, GTH part.

[Reilly]

2019 results ordered by margin

Carolina

+16 @GT
+04 (N) South Carolina
+03 Miami
------------------------------------
-01 Clemson
-02 @VT
-03 AppSt
-06 @WFU

16 points from 7-0 ... 9 points from 1-6 ... 2-4 in 1-score games


Duke

+35 @VT
+32 NCA&T
+23 @MTSU
+18 GT
-------------
-03 Pittsburgh
-34 @Virginia
-39 (N) Alabama

4 of 7 games decided by 32+ points ... 0-1 in 1-score games

[YmoBeThere]

Ahhhh, so we are going to blow them out...

[duke2x]

I tried to look at the results of teams that played super long OT games the previous week, but there isn't a good correlation. We did not play well the week after our 4 OT game against VT for the first 50+ minutes.

Mack Brown has recently said that you only get really amped for 3-4 games/season. I have to wonder how many of those UNC has left, particularly after last week. UNC's football season comes down to Duke, UVA, and NCSU every year. Fedora was starting to go 0-3 against that group regularly, which is the fastest way to a pink slip over there. FYI, UVA is next up after us.

I actually haven't seen them play due to watching Duke and the color/vomit factor. Their MO seems to be to play to their level of competition in spurts: 1-1.5 strong quarters and 2.5-3 bad ones to result in a last second decision.

[devildeac]

I tried to look at the results of teams that played super long OT games the previous week, but there isn't a good correlation. We did not play well the week after our 4 OT game against VT for the first 50+ minutes.

Mack Brown has recently said that you only get really amped for 3-4 games/season. I have to wonder how many of those UNC has left, particularly after last week. UNC's football season comes down to Duke, UVA, and NCSU every year. Fedora was starting to go 0-3 against that group regularly, which is the fastest way to a pink slip over there. FYI, UVA is next up after us.

I actually haven't seen them play due to watching Duke and the color/vomit factor. Their MO seems to be to play to their level of competition in spurts: 1-1.5 strong quarters and 2.5-3 bad ones to result in a last second decision.

Interesting take. Any observation about teams that *might* have played six pretty bad quarters of football out of their last eight? Not mentioning any names and/or mascots...

I'm concerned about this game. Very concerned.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

I actually haven't seen them play due to watching Duke and the color/vomit factor. Their MO seems to be to play to their level of competition in spurts: 1-1.5 strong quarters and 2.5-3 bad ones to result in a last second decision.

I watched the vomit factor hoping for a Clemson rout.

Sadly, they flat out were better team than Clemson in that game....now I think Clemson being flat had a lot to do with that....taking them lightly....but they should've beaten Clemson...and I don't mean in the OT situation...I mean in the first 60 minutes. Based on the last six quarters, we need something to change very dramatically and very fast....or the vomit factor is gonna be yuuuge come Saturday night.

[roywhite]

Ahhhh, so we are going to blow them out...

I'm certainly in favor of a blow out, something along the lines of 41-0, which Mack will remember from 1989.

On the other hand, the Heels have had some excruciating late game losses this year, so why not another one?

[AGDukesky]

I have zero confidence in a win and expect at least a two touchdown loss that could spiral into much worse. I’d love to be surprised though...

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

I have zero confidence in a win and expect at least a two touchdown loss that could spiral into much worse. I’d love to be surprised though...
Doesn’t this belong in the I’m Not Going To Jinx It thread?

[BoiseDevil]

Watching this team for the last several seasons, about the time I think I’ve figured out how good they are, they pull a 180.

Here’s to a 180 on Saturday!

W 5 against the holes would be encouraging.

My brain thing tells me we’ll lose by 21+ so I’m trusting my heart.

Go Duke!

[sagegrouse]

Let's go, Duke!! A huge rebound against the hated Tar Heels is on my radar. I am looking for a big game front Quentin Harris and several picks by our rugged defense.

[killerleft]

We'll have to play well offensively to have a chance. I'm expecting close to 400 combined yards from Q. Let's make it Duke by 7, 38-31. Take that, Mack.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

I have zero confidence in a win and expect at least a two touchdown loss that could spiral into much worse. I’d love to be surprised though...

...with you on the jinx thread....

[Bob Green]

In reference to the underperforming offense, are we at the point where Coach Cutcliffe takes a more hands on approach to play calling?

In the 2nd half, against Virginia, TV cameras panned the Duke sideline and Coach Cutcliffe had the play chart in his hand.

An interesting discussion point if nothing more.

[SavDukeGrad]

In reference to the underperforming offense, are we at the point where Coach Cutcliffe takes a more hands on approach to play calling?

In the 2nd half, against Virginia, TV cameras panned the Duke sideline and Coach Cutcliffe had the play chart in his hand.

An interesting discussion point if nothing more.

Don’t I remember that he did this last year? Got involved with the play calling when the offense struggled in the middle of the season. And the offense/play calling seemed to improve, iirc.

[Bob Green]

Don’t I remember that he did this last year? Got involved with the play calling when the offense struggled in the middle of the season. And the offense/play calling seemed to improve, iirc.

My memory and your memory are aligned.

[devildeac]

In reference to the underperforming offense, are we at the point where Coach Cutcliffe takes a more hands on approach to play calling?

In the 2nd half, against Virginia, TV cameras panned the Duke sideline and Coach Cutcliffe had the play chart in his hand.

An interesting discussion point if nothing more.


Don’t I remember that he did this last year? Got involved with the play calling when the offense struggled in the middle of the season. And the offense/play calling seemed to improve, iirc.

I recall the same discussion in the last 1-2 years. Interesting to consider.

I saw Bob's response. Dangerous situation when 3 DBR memories are aligned ;):rolleyes:

[Indoor66]

3 DBR memories are aligned ;):rolleyes:

Mark your calendar. 😂

[Bob Green]

Jim Sumner Tuesday article is posted:

https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2019/10/22/20926393/virginia-in-the-past-dukes-focus-shifts-down-15-501-acc-coastal-division-tar-heels

Blocking on the perimeter, ball security and better preparation are some of the discussion points.

I was hoping for a health update on Josh Blackwell but...

[Rogue]

"Mount up, everybody, and ride to the sound of the gun. There's battle to be fought "

[tteettimes]

Who fart that shot??

[PDDuke85]

Don’t I remember that he did this last year? Got involved with the play calling when the offense struggled in the middle of the season. And the offense/play calling seemed to improve, iirc.

I too recall the same, and I’m off my meds.
The question remains, is it common for the HC to assist in play calling mid season? 2 seasons in a row?
Curious

[gep]

I too recall the same, and I’m off my meds.
The question remains, is it common for the HC to assist in play calling mid season? 2 seasons in a row?
Curious

With comments in another thread (Va perhaps?) on Coach Cut's loyalty, I wonder if 2 seasons in a row tells him something... :confused:.

[awhom111]

Here is the list of channels carrying the game:
http://theacc.com/sports/2019/10/22/FB_RSN_DU_UNC_19.aspx

The expectation should be that you can only watch on those channels as in market subscribers. I hope that there will be more details for exact geographical areas later in the week.

[duke2x]

Interesting take. Any observation about teams that *might* have played six pretty bad quarters of football out of their last eight? Not mentioning any names and/or mascots... I'm concerned about this game. Very concerned.

The concern should come from the Pitt game and not GT. I'm not sure we've had that much of an early lead against an ACC team since the 1999 Wake game (where we also turned off the gas too early.)

It's too easy to say block better, fumble less, make better decisions, etc. Stats say cover Newsome and Brown as well.

[Reilly]

Duke is 41-60-4 against Carolina
Cut at Duke is 5-6 against Carolina
Cut is 5-2 over last 7 games

1888 N W 16-0
1889SPRING N W 25-17
1889FALL H W 1-0
1891 A W 6-4
1892 A L 0-24
1893 H W 6-4
1894 A L 0-28
1922 A L 0-20
1923 A L 6-14
1924 A L 0-6
1925 H L 0-41
1926 A L 0-6
1927 H L 0-18
1928 A L 7-14
1929 H L 7-48
1930 A T 0-0
1931 H T 0-0
1932 A W 7-0
1933 H W 21-0
1934 A L 0-7
1935 H W 25-0
1936 A W 27-7
1937 H L 6-14
1938 A W 14-0
1939 H W 13-3
1940 A L 3-6
1941 H W 20-0
1942 A T 13-13
1943 H W 14-7
1943 A W 27-6
1944 A W 33-0
1945 H W 14-7
1946 A L 7-22
1947 H L 0-21
1948 A L 0-20
1949 H L 20-21
1950 A W 7-0
1951 H W 19-7
1952 A W 34-0
1953 H W 35-20
1954 A W 47-12
1955 H W 6-0
1956 A W 21-6
1957 H L 13-21
1958 A W 7-6
1959 H L 0-50
1960 A L 6-7
1961 H W 6-3
1962 A W 16-14
1963 H L 14-16
1964 A L 15-21
1965 H W 34-7
1966 A W 41-25
1967 H L 9-20
1968 A L 14-25
1969 H W 17-13
1970 A L 34-59
1971 H L 0-38
1972 A L 0-14
1973 H W 27-10
1974 A L 13-14
1975 H T 17-17
1976 A L 38-39
1977 H L 3-16
1978 A L 15-16
1979 H L 16-37
1980 A L 21-44
1981 H L 10-31
1982 H W 23-17
1983 A L 27-34
1984 H L 15-17
1985 A W 23-21
1986 H L 35-42
1987 A W 25-10
1988 H W 35-29
1989 A W 41-0
1990 H L 22-24
1991 A L 14-47
1992 H L 28-31
1993 A L 24-38
1994 H L 40-41
1995 A L 24-28
1996 H L 10-27
1997 A L 14-50
1998 H L 6-28
1999 A L 0-38
2000 H L 21-59
2001 A L 17-52
2002 H L 21-23
2003 A W 30-22
2004 H L 17-40
2005 A L 21-24
2006 H L 44-45
2007 OT A L 14-20
2008 H L 20-28
2009 A L 6-19
2010 H L 19-24
2011 A L 21-37
2012 H W 33-30
2013 A W 27-25
2014 H L 20-45
2015 A L 31-66
2016 H W 28-27
2017 A W 27-17
2018 H W 42-35

[devildeac]

The concern should come from the Pitt game and not GT. I'm not sure we've had that much of an early lead against an ACC team since the 1999 Wake game (where we also turned off the gas too early.)

It's too easy to say block better, fumble less, make better decisions, etc. Stats say cover Newsome and Brown as well.

I almost included the Pitt game, too, which would give us 9 bad quarters of football out of 12. Not a good trend. Fine line between playing great football/running up the score and turning it off too soon WRT the 2nd half of the GT game but that 2nd half wasn't very good at all.

[devildeac]

Duke is 41-60-4 against Carolina
Cut at Duke is 5-6 against Carolina
Cut is 5-2 over last 7 games

1888 N W 16-0
1889SPRING N W 25-17
1889FALL H W 1-0
1891 A W 6-4
1892 A L 0-24
1893 H W 6-4
1894 A L 0-28
1922 A L 0-20
1923 A L 6-14
1924 A L 0-6
1925 H L 0-41
1926 A L 0-6
1927 H L 0-18
1928 A L 7-14
1929 H L 7-48
1930 A T 0-0
1931 H T 0-0
1932 A W 7-0
1933 H W 21-0
1934 A L 0-7
1935 H W 25-0
1936 A W 27-7
1937 H L 6-14
1938 A W 14-0
1939 H W 13-3
1940 A L 3-6
1941 H W 20-0
1942 A T 13-13
1943 H W 14-7
1943 A W 27-6
1944 A W 33-0
1945 H W 14-7
1946 A L 7-22
1947 H L 0-21
1948 A L 0-20
1949 H L 20-21
1950 A W 7-0
1951 H W 19-7
1952 A W 34-0
1953 H W 35-20
1954 A W 47-12
1955 H W 6-0
1956 A W 21-6
1957 H L 13-21
1958 A W 7-6
1959 H L 0-50
1960 A L 6-7
1961 H W 6-3
1962 A W 16-14
1963 H L 14-16
1964 A L 15-21
1965 H W 34-7
1966 A W 41-25
1967 H L 9-20
1968 A L 14-25
1969 H W 17-13
1970 A L 34-59
1971 H L 0-38
1972 A L 0-14
1973 H W 27-10
1974 A L 13-14
1975 H T 17-17
1976 A L 38-39
1977 H L 3-16
1978 A L 15-16
1979 H L 16-37
1980 A L 21-44
1981 H L 10-31
1982 H W 23-17
1983 A L 27-34
1984 H L 15-17
1985 A W 23-21
1986 H L 35-42
1987 A W 25-10
1988 H W 35-29
1989 A W 41-0
1990 H L 22-24
1991 A L 14-47
1992 H L 28-31
1993 A L 24-38
1994 H L 40-41
1995 A L 24-28
1996 H L 10-27
1997 A L 14-50
1998 H L 6-28
1999 A L 0-38
2000 H L 21-59
2001 A L 17-52
2002 H L 21-23
2003 A W 30-22
2004 H L 17-40
2005 A L 21-24
2006 H L 44-45
2007 OT A L 14-20
2008 H L 20-28
2009 A L 6-19
2010 H L 19-24
2011 A L 21-37
2012 H W 33-30
2013 A W 27-25
2014 H L 20-45
2015 A L 31-66
2016 H W 28-27
2017 A W 27-17
2018 H W 42-35

My, my, look at all those losses during their prime cheating years. 9F 'em. Repeatedly.

[throatybeard]

Mack Brown has recently said that you only get really amped for 3-4 games/season.


Like, is this the impersonal you? Who's you? Folksy 68yo coaches? 21yo defensive backs?

I mean, not Ozzie.

[jv001]

My, my, look at all those losses during their prime cheating years. 9F 'em. Repeatedly.

I thought that would be everyone of the games, wins or losses. They were born cheaters and yes 9F 'em.

GoDuke!

[rtnorthrup]

Here is the list of channels carrying the game:
http://theacc.com/sports/2019/10/22/FB_RSN_DU_UNC_19.aspx

The expectation should be that you can only watch on those channels as in market subscribers. I hope that there will be more details for exact geographical areas later in the week.

How is this not on the ACC Network?

[PDDuke85]

https://twitter.com/dukefootball/status/1187368149793947648?s=21
Uniform reveal day means we’re just a couple of days away from keeping the bell the proper blue

[chrishoke]

https://twitter.com/dukefootball/status/1187368149793947648?s=21
Uniform reveal day means we’re just a couple of days away from keeping the bell the proper blue

Me likey.

Me also thinking we are going to get our asses whipped. I had a chance to get tickets in the Carolina section - I passed. Hope I'm dead wrong. 9f, 9f, 9f infinity.

[Bob Green]

Me also thinking we are going to get our asses whipped.

That is a distinct possibility unless we figure out how to take care of the football and generate some offense. I hate to be negative but the offense needs to get its act together quickly.

[arnie]

That is a distinct possibility unless we figure out how to take care of the football and generate some offense. I hate to be negative but the offense needs to get its act together quickly.

We haven’t won 4 in a row against the Cheats since the 50s. A win would be sweet😀

[Devilwin]

I could be wrong but I am predicting a 27 to 17 Duke win. We are on the road, and other than a couple of games we play better away from home.:cool:

[Reilly]

https://twitter.com/dukefootball/status/1187368149793947648?s=21
Uniform reveal day means we’re just a couple of days away from keeping the bell the proper blue

Thanks. Good look.

[awhom111]

http://theacc.com/sports/2019/10/22/FB_RSN_DU_UNC_19.aspx

No map yet, but those outside the blackout zone can watch on ACCNX or apparently through Hulu or PS Vue if have the right package. On television in those areas, if you not do not get it on a local channel, you can watch on DirecTV 788 or Verizon FIOS 821.


How is this not on the ACC Network?

Apparently ESPN would rather show every single other game this week.

[Reilly]

In honor of 41-0, posting this here -- Spurrier-designed hat: https://www.thestate.com/news/local/article236556983.html

[chrishoke]

In honor of 41-0, posting this here -- Spurrier-designed hat: https://www.thestate.com/news/local/article236556983.html

Is that the right link?

[richardjackson199]

Vegas has the Cheats -3.5

But who do the sharps like? No clue. And no pie this time either :cool:

9F

[Acymetric]

How is this not on the ACC Network?


http://theacc.com/sports/2019/10/22/FB_RSN_DU_UNC_19.aspx

No map yet, but those outside the blackout zone can watch on ACCNX or apparently through Hulu or PS Vue if have the right package. On television in those areas, if you not do not get it on a local channel, you can watch on DirecTV 788 or Verizon FIOS 821.



Apparently ESPN would rather show every single other game this week.

I mean, on the one hand, neither team is playing especially well so on paper it isn't a terribly compelling matchup. That said, you would think the excuse to repeat "Duke vs. unc" over and over (even if its about football) would have warranted picking it up. Seems perfect for the new ACC Network as has been mentioned.


Is that the right link?

Yes, the point is that Steve Spurrier designed a hat. I highly recommend you scroll down to see his masterpiece, the "Spur's Lid". High fashion, to be sure.

[rtnorthrup]

Its weird, but I feel optimistic about tomorrow. I actually see our offense getting on track. I'll take the good guys to keep the bell.

[Bob Green]

I actually see our offense getting on track.

Looking at Conference Games Only stats, Duke is ranked last at #14 in Passing Yards.

http://theacc.com/stats.aspx?path=football&year=2019&conf=true

This has to be rectified. In order to sustain drives, score points and keep our defense rested, the offense must be able to run and pass the ball. A one dimensional offense isn’t going to win games.

Achieving production from the passing game and ball security are top priorities tomorrow. If we put checks in those two boxes, I agree with you on the Victory Bell staying the proper shade of blue.

[Reilly]

Time to beat the hell out of Carolina.

[Bob Green]

Keys to the Game:

1. Ball Security. Eleven turnovers in two ACC losses is phenomenally bad. Duke is 113/130 nationally in Turnover Margin at -5. To have a chance to win, Duke must take care of the ball.

2. Offensive Production. Three and out offensive possessions put pressure on the defense. Duke has to string together positive plays to sustain drives and score points. Carolina is 11 of 14 in Rushing Defense (Conference Games only) so establish the run to set up play action pass and throw the ball down the field. Carolina does not have a dominant defense so it is imperative Duke puts together a good offensive performance today. The wide receivers needs to win 50/50 balls.

3. Field Position. Not making mistakes on Special Teams will go a long way toward winning the field position battle.

4. Defense. The defense has been strong all season and must be strong again today. Sam Howell is a talented QB so Carolina can and will throw the ball (2/14 in Passing Offense). Duke must pressure Howell and the defensive backs must be ready for the challenge of covering Dazz Newsome, Dyami Brown and Beau Corrales.

My confidence has gradually moved upward as the week progressed but my expectation is we are in for a knockdown, drag out fight this afternoon. Carolina is a football team that is tired of losing to Duke so they will be motivated. Our Blue Devils must match their emotional intensity for 60 minutes.

While technically not a "must win" game, this is as close to a must win game as possible.

Prediction: Duke 31, Carolina 30 :cool:

[left_hook_lacey]

UNC has the worst run defense in the ACC and 111th nationally. The only bright spot for Harris so far this year is his ability to use his legs.

I see a scenario where UNC packs it in the box to stop the run, giving our receivers very favorable matchups on the outside. Make the easy pitch and catch and we win going away.

If they keep Harris under pressure the whole day and he can't get outside the tackles, it's going to be a long day.

I think this is a game the offense breaks out.

Duke 35
UNC 28

[tteettimes]

I’m with you...LETS GO DUKE😈😈😈😈😈
(Oh Lord please don’t let this turn into another “ embarrassment game” )

GTHcGTH

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Duke 41 - unc 0

If it was good enough for Steve Spurrier, it's good enough for me!
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[chrishoke]

Let's keep this baby!

9882

[Devilwin]

UNC has the worst run defense in the ACC and 111th nationally. The only bright spot for Harris so far this year is his ability to use his legs.

I see a scenario where UNC packs it in the box to stop the run, giving our receivers very favorable matchups on the outside. Make the easy pitch and catch and we win going away.

If they keep Harris under pressure the whole day and he can't get outside the tackles, it's going to be a long day.

I think this is a game the offense breaks out.

Duke 35
UNC 28

The line must block better than they did last week, or this could get out of hand quickly. And lose that ill advised, stinking flat pass! It never works...

[HereBeforeCoachK]

The line must block better than they did last week, or this could get out of hand quickly. And lose that ill advised, stinking flat pass! It never works...

It sure never seems to work. That play they ran last week, the TD to Bracey, is something I'd like to see tried early in a game. Doesn't require much protection, it's a pass QH throws very well, and even if it misses it can open a the defense a little bit, give them something to think about. If a D is a little more worried about that kind of play, the flat pass/bubble screen etc may open up some.

[Bob Green]

And lose that ill advised, stinking flat pass! It never works...

Yes, it does work. It sets up the vertical in the same way the running game sets up play action. Plays feed off each other.


Daniel Jones to Quay Chambers TD play starts at :38 second mark of the video clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9wdmpy96ow

Chambers slips behind the defense because of a slight hesitation as if to set-up to block and ND commits two defenders to Wilson on the flare route (bubble screen).

The horizontal pass play serves a purpose I will leave it at that.

A couple more examples: Quentin Harris threw a TD pass to T.J. Rahming, against Baylor in Waco, on a very similar play to the opposite side and Daniel Jones to T.J. Rahming in the Independence Bowl victory over Temple. There are video clips on YouTube but I'm too lazy to look them up and provide links.

[homebre]

Anymore info. on this? Can't remember them not televising this game--is this because of the new ACCNetwork?
Thx
Duke 1971



I mean, on the one hand, neither team is playing especially well so on paper it isn't a terribly compelling matchup. That said, you would think the excuse to repeat "Duke vs. unc" over and over (even if its about football) would have warranted picking it up. Seems perfect for the new ACC Network as has been mentioned.



Yes, the point is that Steve Spurrier designed a hat. I highly recommend you scroll down to see his masterpiece, the "Spur's Lid". High fashion, to be sure.

[Bob Green]

Brett Friedlander weighs in at the North State Journal:

http://nsjonline.com/article/2019/10/five-questions-to-ponder-before-kickoff-30/

Brett says Duke needs to avoid beating themselves, while Carolina’s top priority will be containing Quentin Harris.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Yes, it does work. It sets up the vertical in the same way the running game sets up play action. Plays feed off each other.
.

I think that's a good and valid point, but few things I would point out...1, that the quick vertical can also be used to set that up, and secondly, that we use it a lot to set up very few verticals, and 3rd we are playing well behind the chains a lot as a result.

[Bob Green]

...and 3rd we are playing well behind the chains a lot as a result.

Staying ahead of the chains is vital and I certainly agree we need to throw downfield more frequently.

[tteettimes]

We need to score more points......
GthcGth

[arnie]

Anymore info. on this? Can't remember them not televising this game--is this because of the new ACCNetwork?
Thx
Duke 1971

That’s odd. It’s listed on Spectrum Channel 50 (FSC) in Raleigh.

[Devilwin]

On Direct TV Fox Sports channels..646 I believe and 631

[Son of Mojo]

Anymore info. on this? Can't remember them not televising this game--is this because of the new ACCNetwork?
Thx
Duke 1971

Not seeing it on Dish in Triad. Is it being broadcast on Sports South/Fox South? Might be why we're not seeing it.

[homebre]

Not seeing it on Dish in Triad. Is it being broadcast on Sports South/Fox South? Might be why we're not seeing it.

It is supposedly on ACCNX which I cannot find on my Android App for ESPN. Can anyone help?

[Bob Green]

It is part of watchespn.com

https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule?type=upcoming

[homebre]

It is part of watchespn.com

https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule?type=upcoming

I tried that but there is a lock next to it on the the link.

[DU82]

If you are brave enough, here’s a picture of “Tar Heel Tim” their attempt at a mascot in the early ‘70s.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHucEcOWkAAbfDR.jpg

[Bob Green]

Three starters out:

https://amp.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/duke/article236683668.html?__twitter_impression=true

Josh Blackwell, Brandon Hill and Zach Baker

[Bob Green]

Losing Blackwell is a double blow as he is our punt return specialist. Duke is #2 in ACC in yards per punt return.

[killerleft]

Game is on at Fox Sports Carolinas in Greensboro, at least on YouTube.

[homebre]

Game is on at Fox Sports Carolinas in Greensboro, at least on YouTube.

Blocked in Hillsborough, NC even on ACCNX

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Game is on at Fox Sports Carolinas in Greensboro, at least on YouTube.

I've got it on Hulu in Beaufort. Sad that Carolina's unis are darker than our blue....

[DrChainsaw]

Getting it on ESPN, via Roku, by way of Hulu, in Rhode Island.

Thought my system sound was screwed up, but commercial is coming through fine, so must be the broadcaster.

[-jk]

Got it on NBC Sports/Comcast in Montgomery County, MD.

-jk

[Devilwin]

FSS Direct tv

[Devilwin]

Offense sad so far..

[sagegrouse]

Nothing available here in the Rockies via DirecTV.

[arnie]

Offense sad so far..

Except great drive assuming the ACC review crew has a clue. Should be 1st and goal at the 1.

[arnie]

Except great drive assuming the ACC review crew has a clue. Should be 1st and goal at the 1.

And we botch the drive due to penalty 😡

[devildeac]

absolute stupidity by our RG cost us a td with 2nd and goal from the 1 foot line:mad:

[susmeg]

Blocked in Hillsborough, NC even on ACCNX

I just found it on FSC (Channel 50) in Durham... we have cable via Spectrum

[jwillfan]

DB not turning his head costs Duke a TD

[PDDuke85]

DB not turning his head costs Duke a TD

When cheetah doesn’t look back, cheater scores.

[devildeac]

DB not turning his head costs Duke a TD

DB didn't have a chance there-perfectly thrown ball, but he shoulda been a step closer. And I complain about this as much (or more) than anybody. :mad:

[arnie]

absolute stupidity by our RG cost us a td with 2nd and goal from the 1 foot line:mad:

And another fumble by Harris after promising drive.

[devildeac]

Well done D

[DrChainsaw]

Well done D

They get the game ball from me so far...

[Ima Facultiwyfe]

I --- just --- can't --- watch.
Love, Ima

[SavDukeGrad]

Bobo having a great game so far!

[arnie]

Bobo having a great game so far!

Yep, he’s made some tough catches . But that’s all we have on O. No running game at all (what happened?) and Q is a mediocre passer.

Starting to sound like broken record, but our D hanging tough. Just don’t know how long they can keep it up

[rsvman]

Man, we fell hard for that simple draw play....

[devildeac]

Nice stop D.

[jwillfan]

Q not playing well. D keeping us in it. Any chance we see our backup QB?

[arnie]

Nice stop D.

And Harris with all day to throw, fires it over the head to a wide open receiver and intercepted to end another drive.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

What a bad football game.

[devildeac]

What a bad football game.

Amazingly, we're still in it. For now.

[Bob Green]

We must play better in the 2nd half. Carolina winning the turnover battle 2-1. Harris’ pass was too high to an open Bracey on the interception.

[arnie]

We must play better in the 2nd half. Carolina winning the turnover battle 2-1. Harris’ pass was too high to an open Bracey on the interception.

Jackson doesn’t seem as explosive as earlier in the season. Is he hurt?

[SavDukeGrad]

I’m getting really tired of the nostalgic Mack Brown goodwill tour.

[Bob Green]

Jackson doesn’t seem as explosive as earlier in the season. Is he hurt?

I haven’t read anything indicating he is hurt. HBCK pointed out his apparent lack of speed several times this season.

[peloton]

Let's get it together offense...you're starting to accumulate some real debt in regard to what you owe the defense this season. Four points behind - this game is up for grabs. As Bobo would do, let's grab it.

Of course, if Harris and Co. don't play any better the 2nd half, the Victory Bell will be changing colors.

[SavDukeGrad]

28 rushing yards in the first half. Ugh.

[peloton]

I’m getting really tired of the nostalgic Mack Brown goodwill tour.

I agree and as much as I dislike the Heels, Mack *does* seem to be a likable guy (ducking as rotten veggies are thrown my direction).

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I like the UNC unis. Nice color.

[SCMatt33]

Can someone explain to me why no db for Duke will turn their heads around on deep passes. Like they just go full out to keep up and then try to tackle after it’s caught or throw their hands up desperately and blindly. It seems like they’re being coached to do this and it can’t work except for blind luck. If the dbs aren’t fast enough to keep up while turning their heads around to make a play, that’s something you have to scheme around. You can’t have them play 1 on 1 man coverage

[Bay Area Duke Fan]

Sam Howell looks like Luke Maye.

[devildeac]

#30 2 steps short on coverage on the td pass-turning around wouldn't have helped

[SavDukeGrad]

Why was that not a personal foul? Are they allowed to throw our receivers down and choke them?

[devildeac]

Why was that not a personal foul? Are they allowed to throw our receivers down and choke them?

Rules don't apply to the cheats :mad:.

[arnie]

I haven’t read anything indicating he is hurt. HBCK pointed out his apparent lack of speed several times this season.

Nice drive and explosion from Jackson. Guess he reads DBR and turned it on.

[Bob Green]

We’ve got a ball game!!!

[peloton]

ScottieB starting to show us what he can do...it's a beautiful thing!

[devildeac]

Great catch by Bracey, despite yet another DPI ignored.

[SavDukeGrad]

Nice drive and explosion from Jackson. Guess he reads DBR and turned it on.

Agree. Nice drive, good running by Jackson, and Bracey joining Bobo with another tough catch. Hope we can capitalize on the momentum.

[peloton]

How fortunes change! Go Devils!

[arnie]

Agree. Nice drive, good running by Jackson, and Bracey joining Bobo with another tough catch. Hope we can capitalize on the momentum.

Just did, We intercept Luke Maye and score TD on 1st play

[devildeac]

Huuuuge play.

[SavDukeGrad]

Yes!!! That’s what I like! 14 points in a couple of plays!!!

Edit: 14 points in 20 seconds!

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Suck it, scumbags!

[rsvman]

Batting down their passes send to be a pretty good strategy. We should keep doing that. :-)

[SavDukeGrad]

Great catch by Bracey, despite yet another DPI ignored.

I agree DD. Why will they not call DPI on them?

[SavDukeGrad]

Bad spot for us.

[devildeac]

I agree DD. Why will they not call DPI on them?

Same reason they didn't call a PF after QH was tackled and thrown down again.

[devildeac]

cheats have 1 flag for 4 yds. swoff hired the right crew:mad:

[SavDukeGrad]

Same reason they didn't call a PF after QH was tackled and thrown down again.

I wondered about that lack of a PF call too.

[rsvman]

The false start was probably a blessing in disguise. I didn't have a good feeling about that fourth and one.

[JasonEvans]

Duke has not been in a truly competitive games in the 4th quarter all year. The Pitt game is the only game we played where the final margin was less than 17 points and even that game was a bit of a blowout until we made it exciting late.

17-17... let's do this, boys!!

[fidel]

why is carolina wearing Duke blue?

[SavDukeGrad]

Omg. Too many false starts today. And that 1 really cost us in the 1st.

[peloton]

Omg. Too many false starts today. And that 1 really cost us in the 1st.

Indeed. That's 2 on Rak Chambers...we can't afford those if we expect to beat a more than capable Ewe in Sea team.

[SavDukeGrad]

Bobo has done a really good job fielding punts in Blackwell’s absence.

[Bob Green]

We have great field position here so we need to capitalize.

[JasonEvans]

Back to back possessions starting at our own 45, amazing field position. Come on, O! Let's get some points (7) here!

[arnie]

Back to back possessions starting at our own 45, amazing field position. Come on, O! Let's get some points (7) here!

We keep shootin ourselves in the foot. Parker has great day punting.

[Steven43]

That was not a great play call (and an even worse pass) on third and 14. My goodness.

[JasonEvans]

When we lose, that dropped pass by freshman WR Darrell Harding Jr a moment ago will haunt us

[devildeac]

When we lose, that dropped pass by freshman WR Darrell Harding Jr a moment ago will haunt us

As will the false start with 2nd and goal from inside the 1.

And pissing away great field position twice in a row.:mad:

[arnie]

As will the false start with 2nd and goal from inside the 1.

And pissing away great field position twice in a row.:mad:

Hard to be optimistic here, but we’re only a great or fluke play away from winning. Let’s Go O.

[arnie]

Hard to be optimistic here, but we’re only a great or fluke play away from winning. Let’s Go O.

One bad toss after another

[DrChainsaw]

Specializing in incomplete sideline passes today

[peloton]

Horrible pass by Quentin. Let's go Devils...still time to pull this off.

[djp10]

the inaccuracy is a little alarming

[devildeac]

the inaccuracy is a little alarming

Yep. If that pass is on target, I think he goes to the house. :mad:

[DrChainsaw]

When's the basketball game start?

[JasonEvans]

Nothing more disheartening than the other team being in obvious "run it up the middle" mode and you being unable to stop them... or even force a 3rd down.

[martydoesntfoul]

False starts, dropped passes, no WR separation, errant throws, bad trick plays, RBs getting handoffs standing still, missed tackles, injuries. And I turned on the game late in the third quarter. Did I miss anything?

[SavDukeGrad]

Really hope Cerenord is ok. We will miss him. Our front 7 starting to look gassed.

[arnie]

False starts, dropped passes, no WR separation, errant throws, bad trick plays, RBs getting handoffs standing still, missed tackles, injuries. And I turned on the game late in the third quarter. Did I miss anything?

Oh well. Ready for some B-ball.

[JasonEvans]

Since the 2nd touchdown... Duke has run 17 plays for a grand total of 25 yards.

That is not good.

[SavDukeGrad]

A winnable game. And keep in mind, we should be ahead 21-20 right now.

[jwillfan]

It's basketball season. Back to the namesake of this here site. Duke *Basketball* Report

[JasonEvans]

Since the 2nd touchdown... Duke has run 17 plays for a grand total of 25 yards.

That is not good.

Better stat... in the 4th quarter Duke has 5 yards of offense.

[devildeac]

WTH is our guy doing 5 yds from their receiver.

[arnie]

Oh well. Ready for some B-ball.

Still could have a miracle?

[SavDukeGrad]

Wish I had faith that we could go 95 yards for a score here.

[Steven43]

False starts, dropped passes, no WR separation, errant throws, bad trick plays, RBs getting handoffs standing still, missed tackles, injuries. And I turned on the game late in the third quarter. Did I miss anything?

So you’re saying we have a chance?

[PDDuke85]

Regardless of the outcome, I keep reminding myself this should have been a Daniel Jones Sr year

[rsvman]

We are making Williams look like Ladanian Tomlinson.

[devildeac]

Wish I had faith that we could go 95 yards for a score here.

We'll be lucky to gain 15 yds...:mad:

[rsvman]

Still have a chance.

[YmoBeThere]

I'm not sure why we don't go long on all of these remaining plays...

[rsvman]

Ok, now it's over.

[SavDukeGrad]

Why were we in the shotgun???

[rsvman]

Ok, now it's over.

Spoke too soon?

[SavDukeGrad]

We just need a FG to tie. Although I would hate to rely on our offense in OT.

[Steven43]

Does Coach Cutcliffe call all of the offensive plays?

[arnie]

Does Coach Cutcliffe call all of the offensive plays?

Possible miracle?

[arnie]

Possible miracle?

No😡😡😡😡😡

[rsvman]

I hate the college pass interference rule. 15 yards? Really?
It's almost encouraging the DBs to interfere.

[PDDuke85]

Why I drink

[YmoBeThere]

That was sub-optimal.

[Steven43]

I don’t know who decided to call that play in that instance, but it was horrific.

[djp10]

wtf was that

[peloton]

We got real cute on that last play and paid for it. Oh well, next play!

[OldPhiKap]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffff.

[kaufmjo]

You have to be kidding me with that play call. Only thing that loses the game

[JasonEvans]

The fine line between courageous and foolish... Duke's play caller just found it.

[martydoesntfoul]

OMG!

[JasonEvans]

You have to be kidding me with that play call. Only thing that loses the game

In fairness, due to the time left and the lack of timeouts, a run up the middle was also a potential loss.

[ChillinDuke]

Incredibly stupid play call.

- Chillin

[djp10]

not sure what's worse: the last play or the run play with no timeouts immediately after the facemask.

no wait, I know; the last play.

[Bob Green]

I don’t know who decided to call that play in that instance, but it was horrific.

The play was there, Gray was open, the pass was horrific. We had our chance but couldn’t finish.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

In fairness, due to the time left and the lack of timeouts, a run up the middle was also a potential loss.

I think that makes the call worse....the cheats knew that, and not likely to go for the fake.

[Son of Jarhead]

Oh my freaking gosh darnit it all to hades!!!! WTF? :mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Steven43]

wtf was that

I honestly don’t think there is a legitimate answer to your question. It was one of the worst plays I’ve seen in my entire life.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

And I believe it was our buddy Chazz who made the pick

[BlueDevil16]

Why we should have went harder in the transfer QB portal last summer. Hopefully we don’t make the same mistake again.

[peloton]

If a coach called that play (and I'll assume that's the case), I certainly hope he learns from it.

[Devilwin]

Unbelievably stupid. whoever called that play needs to flip burgers at Burger King.

[szstark]

In fairness, due to the time left and the lack of timeouts, a run up the middle was also a potential loss.

Come on, that was a horrible call. Almost any other play in the book is better.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Unbelievably stupid. whoever called that play needs to flip burgers at Burger King.

And who ever replaces him should NEVER EVER let Deon Jackson throw a pass. I think Deon needs to answer just as much as the coach. The automatic thing to do is to throw it either on target or long.....short in inexcusable.

[JasonEvans]

I'm baffled why we ran that formation. With that amount of time left, there is no chance you can run the ball. Everyone knows a pass is coming. Why not spread it out? Instead, you load up the box with 10 guys and then ask a non-QB to somehow navigate the ball through all those arms and bodies. Sheesh...

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Well, that sucks.

[djp10]

I didn't have the sound on; did the announcers question the decision to run the ball with no timeouts on first down immediately after the facemask penalty?

[HereBeforeCoachK]

I'm baffled why we ran that formation. With that amount of time left, there is no chance you can run the ball. Everyone knows a pass is coming. Why not spread it out? Instead, you load up the box with 10 guys and then ask a non-QB to somehow navigate the ball through all those arms and bodies. Sheesh...

And the irony is, on the goal line, you have better chance running from the spread too....you dont have to push thru so much humanity

[rsvman]

Wow. I have no words.

[YmoBeThere]

Why we should have went harder in the transfer QB portal last summer. Hopefully we don’t make the same mistake again.

Uhh, no. Then you end up with a grad transfer from the MAC who was good for the MAC but is not up to Power 5 standards.

See Vanderbilt

[YmoBeThere]

Come on, that was a horrible call. Almost any other PASS play in the book is better.

Fixed it for you.

[JasonEvans]

Duke just lost when our RB was intercepted by last year's Carolina QB.

Vegas was offering 6-1 odds on that but I wanted a bigger number. Oh well.

[SavDukeGrad]

The play was there, Gray was open, the pass was horrific. We had our chance but couldn’t finish.

I agree with Bob. Gray was open. But QH should have been throwing that pass.

[JasonEvans]

This game vs. the Miami kickoff return game... which was a bigger gut punch?

[Sixthman]

If we’re paying whoever called that play we should stop it; if not, we shouldn’t let amateurs call the plays.

[moonpie23]

pete carroll looked good

[scottdude8]

My wife and I are sitting here in stunned disbelief. Nothing about the last 30-45 seconds of game time was done right, yet we still had every chance to win. There is no justification for that call. Wow.

[YmoBeThere]

This game vs. the Miami kickoff return game... which was a bigger gut punch?

Too soon...

[kaufmjo]

My wife and I are sitting here in stunned disbelief. Nothing about the last 30-45 seconds of game time was done right, yet we still had every chance to win. There is no justification for that call. Wow.

The only thing more amazing than the last call is that your wife actually watches duke football with you vs complaining about the yelling coming from the tv room..

[TheDevilMadeMeDoIt]

I had to listen to the UNC announcers on XM. They said there was time to run it. If we didn’t make it then time to get to line to spike it and then kick the field goal. The UNC color guy said teams practice that everyday. I couldn’t watch so I have no opinion other than the call was god awful.

[YmoBeThere]

This game vs. the Miami kickoff return game... which was a bigger gut punch?


Too soon...

With that said, Miami because someone else did it to us. This was did to ourselves.

[scottdude8]

The only thing more amazing than the last call is that your wife actually watches duke football with you vs complaining about the yelling coming from the tv room..

I’m a damn lucky man. Even more so considering my Duke and Michigan fandom have just led to heartbreak all this year haha.

[BlueDevil16]

Saw the replay. Why would he throw that into that coverage. Better taking the run and trying to spike it. Or throw it way over into the stands and kick the FG.

[djp10]

My wife and I are sitting here in stunned disbelief. Nothing about the last 30-45 seconds of game time was done right, yet we still had every chance to win. There is no justification for that call. Wow.
same here; this is the first time I've truly questioned the coaching staff's competency

[Steven43]

I agree with Bob. Gray was open. But QH should have been throwing that pass.

Whether or not he was open, and that is highly debatable, you don’t let a non-QB throw a pass where he is in the air with both feet off the ground in a hostile environment (the stress level on the Duke player who threw that pass was very high — bad things often happen to athletes under great stress when they are asked to do something out of their comfort zone) with the game on the line. You just don’t do that.

[arnie]

I had to listen to the UNC announcers on XM. They said there was time to run it. If we didn’t make it then time to get to line to spike it and then kick the field goal. The UNC color guy said teams practice that everyday. I couldn’t watch so I have no opinion other than the call was god awful.

There was enough time to throw 3 more end zone incompletions before kicking the FG

[rsvman]

This game worse than the Miami game; in the Miami game we lost because of the refs incompetence; this game we lost because of our own.

Much better to be able to blame somebody else.

[Steven43]

Too soon...

It will always be too soon.

[scottdude8]

There was enough time to throw 3 more end zone incompletions before kicking the FG

This. Every coach in the world will tell you to throw three quick pass plays that have minimal chance at an interception. Or run and spike, which you can easily do in 18 seconds if you keep it up the middle.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

pete carroll looked good

Seahawks fan here... Too soon

[SavDukeGrad]

Whether or not he was open, and that is highly debatable, you don’t let a non-QB throw a pass where he is in the air with both feet off the ground in a hostile environment (the stress level on the Duke player who threw that pass was very high — bad things often happen to athletes under great stress when they are asked to do something out of their comfort zone) with the game on the line. You just don’t do that.

That was my point. Gray was open. QH should have been passing over the middle to him, even a little high. Either complete or out of the end zone.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

What a horrible play call. Embarrassing. Almost anything else would have been better and left a chance for overtime.

Ugh.

[barely]

This game worse than the Miami game; in the Miami game we lost because of the refs incompetence; this game we lost because of our own.

Much better to be able to blame somebody else.

That might have been the worst play call ever (and Gray was not open). We have the time (18 seconds) to run four passing plays. What does that play tell you about the OCs confidence in the the QB? I think he saw just what we all saw: while we all love QH and he certainly is a great kids and a great representative of Duke, he’s not a very good QB. Cut says that one of the most important attributes of a QB is accurately and QH is just not very accurate, certainly not consistently. I guess that also tells us a lot about our backup. I think Holmberg would have gotten some time on the field this year but for the injury.

On the positive side, Bobo can really catch the ball and Bracey had his best game and showed some serious potential.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

We could have won a game we were outplayed for 3.5 quarters. We biffed. Badly.

[BlueandWhite]

Come on, that was a horrible call. Almost any other play in the book is better.

Yes, ANYTHING was better than a trick jump pass on 1st and goal from the 2 yard line. Unbelievable. What confidence did they have that that play could be executed well??

Just run a simple play. Run up the middle. Run a sweep. Throw to the corner of the end zone and if nothing is there then throw the ball away. If you don’t score on that play, you STILL have one more play before a CHIP SHOT FG to send the game to OT!

[killerleft]

Has that play ever failed? We 've run it successfully quite a few times. Deon was grabbed as he released it. Bad execution, for sure.

[paris95]

I always love reading the discussion and Jim’s stories, but that play call has compelled me to write a post for the first time in years. That was the second terrible play call on that drive. The first one was the quarterback sneak from the shotgun on fourth down. We got bailed out because Carolina tried to rip QH‘s head off, otherwise that would have failed just like it did last week against Virginia when we tried to run the same play. Such an obvious call, and one that hasn’t worked recently so why do it?

No explanation for the jump pass at the end of the game. We’ve run it successfully several times over the last few years and teams plan for that in their goal line preparation. If you re-watch the film, Carolina had it very well covered. If Seratt doesn’t intercept it, the free safety #1 would have. The only place for that throw to be successful would be at the very back of the end zone where the only catch is Gray making a diving one at the back, and that has pretty low odds.

The defense played so well and the offense at least showed a few signs of life in the second half, but that’s going to be a tough one to bounce back from. Finding two more Ws will be hard.

I guess you could say this is about where we thought we’d be this year, a good defense that keeps us in games while we hope the offense finds a way to scratch out enough points to win. Sure feels like we could be doing better though. I’m not quite at the replace OC stage, but I’m creeping up to that threshold. I think we have some good skill position talent but we don’t seem to be utilizing it very well.

[Hartford Dukie]

Cut's postgame explanation/comments?

[smvalkyries]

It is too easy to sit here and criticize a call that did not work. As I recall this play has worked this year. Coach took a chance and it wasn't a good one. As Coach K would say next play.
It is too bad that we thought we had to take a chance like that from the one but the Coaches are far better judges of our players abilities than I am. After all we were playing a semi-pro team so it's not like we lost a game to a respected college.

[YmoBeThere]

With that said, Miami because someone else did it to us. This was did to ourselves.

Geeez, my typing and subsequent proofing is quite poor.

[Devilwin]

Cut's postgame explanation/comments?
Would love to hear that excuse. No excuse whatsoever. The call was garbage, plain and simple. And no, I would not have praised it had it worked. It was a bad call for that situation and almost certainly cost us the game. I say almost because we don't know if the other TWO plays we would have had would've worked either.
But we will never know, because we did not get the chance to run those other TWO plays..:mad::confused:

[TheDevilMadeMeDoIt]

This game vs. the Miami kickoff return game... which was a bigger gut punch?

The Miami game because we came from behind to win, then the refs took the win away. We were still trying to win this game. We will never know whether we would have won this game. What we do know is we definitely screwed away any chance to tie or win.

[DU82]

Just back from the game (found a quick route out of hell that got us back to Durham in ~30 minutes rather than the traffic jam on NC 54 and US 15-501.)

We were down low in the overflow visitor's section on the cheater's side of the stadium (opposite side of the end zone from the rest of the Duke fans.) Couldn't see much of the first half because Eric Montross stood between us and the field. (Horrible seats, couldn't see the other corner of the end zone because of their high-dollar end zone seating and party zone.)1

On the last play we, as everybody else, were questioning the jump-pass by a RB, rather than Harris doing it. On the radio afterwards, the studio announcer implied that Jackson did it on his own, after seeing the run was going nowhere. Haven't heard Cut's post-game, so I don't know if that was the case. Regardless, it was a bad play in my view. Try two passes to the end zone (must avoid the sack) and then kick the field goal to try our chances in OT.

We were fortunate to be that close. The cheaters mistakes kept us in. I will give Brown credit for the fourth down call to go for it. A Duke TD wins anyway, it gave us an "out" to tie, and I bet he thought his chances in OT were good.

On another subject, selling beer in that stadium is a bad idea. Saw a few that had a few too many. Not a great thing to deal with.

[arnie]

Just back from the game (found a quick route out of hell that got us back to Durham in ~30 minutes rather than the traffic jam on NC 54 and US 15-501.)

We were down low in the overflow visitor's section on the cheater's side of the stadium (opposite side of the end zone from the rest of the Duke fans.) Couldn't see much of the first half because Eric Montross stood between us and the field. (Horrible seats, couldn't see the other corner of the end zone because of their high-dollar end zone seating and party zone.)1

On the last play we, as everybody else, were questioning the jump-pass by a RB, rather than Harris doing it. On the radio afterwards, the studio announcer implied that Jackson did it on his own, after seeing the run was going nowhere. Haven't heard Cut's post-game, so I don't know if that was the case. Regardless, it was a bad play in my view. Try two passes to the end zone (must avoid the sack) and then kick the field goal to try our chances in OT.

We were fortunate to be that close. The cheaters mistakes kept us in. I will give Brown credit for the fourth down call to go for it. A Duke TD wins anyway, it gave us an "out" to tie, and I bet he thought his chances in OT were good.

On another subject, selling beer in that stadium is a bad idea. Saw a few that had a few too many. Not a great thing to deal with.

Well Walmart does sell beer too

[Steven43]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rossmartin_ic/status/1188237613305495552?s=12
Perhaps we should dispense with the idea that Gray was open, as he absolutely was not. At the time Harris began his throwing motion there were not one but two UNC players right with Gray. One or the other of them would have easily intercepted or knocked away the pass had it gotten there.

The ball should never have been thrown, and that play should never have been called. Yes, I know, beating a dead horse and all that.

[Bob Green]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rossmartin_ic/status/1188237613305495552?s=12
Perhaps we should dispense with the idea that Gray was open, as he absolutely was not. At the time Harris began his throwing motion there were not one but two UNC players right with Gray. One or the other of them would have easily intercepted or knocked away the pass had it gotten there.

The ball should never have been thrown, and that play should never have been called. Yes, I know, beating a dead horse and all that.

The throw needed to go to the back of the end zone where no one but Gray could get it.

[jimsumner]

It was definitely a called play. Cut said Duke has been working on it for awhile.

Not sure who technically called it but I'm pretty sure Roper doesn't call that play on his own. No OC would under those circumstances.

As an aside, the post-game Cut was one I've never seen before, not even after the Miami Halloween game.

He came in, told us he wasn't going to sit down, answered five questions, three from Wiseman, two from me and announced the conference was over.

And if that sounds P'O'd on paper, it was more apparent five feet away from him. He was not a happy camper.

And Harris was the only player to talk to the media.

[DU82]

The throw needed to go to the back of the end zone where no one but Gray could get it.

I don't think Jackson got it more than chest high. Went right into the cheater's arms. (From my memory watching it right in front of me. I haven't, and will not, watch a replay.)

[Bob Green]

I don't think Jackson got it more than chest high. Went right into the cheater's arms.

You are correct.

[rsvman]

The throw needed to go to the back of the end zone where no one but Gray could get it.

Yes. Up HIGH and LONG, not low and short.

[jv001]

Those plays worked with Jones and Connette throwing the pass. Terrible play calling from someone. GoDuke

[devildeac]

There was enough time to throw 3 more end zone incompletions before kicking the FG

This. Three throws to our tall WR in the corner or side of the endzone.

[Bob Green]

And if that sounds P'O'd on paper, it was more apparent five feet away from him. He was not a happy camper.



Thanks Jim. We all appreciate the first hand perspective you provide to the boards.

[chrishoke]

The throw needed to go to the back of the end zone where no one but Gray could get it.

That's how the play is designed. Gray was behind the defense. I thought it was the right idea to go for the win, take a risk, not play for ot. Things go wrong in plays. Deon got hit and threw the ball low. CRAP.

[DeweyDevil]

Carolina tried to hand Duke the game with all of their penalties on our last drive and Duke said "No Thanks."

[BlueDevil16]

If white didn’t schedule Bama we’d only need one more win.

[djp10]

It was definitely a called play. Cut said Duke has been working on it for awhile.

Not sure who technically called it but I'm pretty sure Roper doesn't call that play on his own. No OC would under those circumstances.

As an aside, the post-game Cut was one I've never seen before, not even after the Miami Halloween game.

He came in, told us he wasn't going to sit down, answered five questions, three from Wiseman, two from me and announced the conference was over.

And if that sounds P'O'd on paper, it was more apparent five feet away from him. He was not a happy camper.

And Harris was the only player to talk to the media.
thanks for the insight!

[Bob Green]

Post game conference:

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article236701543.html

There was a bit of a scuffle post game.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

If white didn’t schedule Bama we’d only need one more win.

That's beside the point. Duke is a bad football team now, and has been since halftime of the GT game.

[roywhite]

I'm reminded of Duke letting Pitt go 82 yards in 4 plays to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Prevent defense for 3 plays and then an ill-timed blitz on the TD scoring play. Didn't need to do anything crazy, just play solid defense and win the game. It's like the coaches (and team?) think they won't win without some trickery.

Same here. Didn't need a gimmick play. Try a play or two and if we don't score a TD, kick the FG and go to overtime. I'd say the ending of the game was a huge disappointment, which it was, but it's just Duke football. Sorry, I've been a fan for only 50 years, so I don't know much different.

[chrishoke]

I'm reminded of Duke letting Pitt go 82 yards in 4 plays to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Prevent defense for 3 plays and then an ill-timed blitz on the TD scoring play. Didn't need to do anything crazy, just play solid defense and win the game. It's like the coaches (and team?) think they won't win without some trickery.

Same here. Didn't need a gimmick play. Try a play or two and if we don't score a TD, kick the FG and go to overtime. I'd say the ending of the game was a huge disappointment, which it was, but it's just Duke football. Sorry, I've been a fan for only 50 years, so I don't know much different.

I respectfully don't think playing it safe, playing for OT was the right call. I think our best chance of winning was right there, so I was ok w/ a more risky play call. By the way, I have been a fan for 55 years. Lots of misery.

[jimsumner]

I respectfully don't think playing it safe, playing for OT was the right call. I think our best chance of winning was right there, so I was ok w/ a more risky play call. By the way, I have been a fan for 55 years. Lots of misery.

You don't play for OT. You play in such a way that OT is the worst outcome. You call passes that have only two possible outcomes, touchdown or incomplete pass. You have to take interception out of the equation. This is basic, football 101. Throwing the ball in the middle of the field introduces the interception into the equation, especially with anyone other than an experienced QB tasked with avoiding that outcome.

It was a terribly, terribly risky call in a situation in which Duke had safer options with a strong likelihood of success.

[chrishoke]

You don't play for OT. You play in such a way that OT is the worst outcome. You call passes that have only two possible outcomes, touchdown or incomplete pass. You have to take interception out of the equation. This is basic, football 101. Throwing the ball in the middle of the field introduces the interception into the equation, especially with anyone other than an experienced QB tasked with avoiding that outcome.

It was a terribly, terribly risky call in a situation in which Duke had safer options with a strong likelihood of success.

Did UNC 'z last play call take the fumble out of the equation?

[chrishoke]

You don't play for OT. You play in such a way that OT is the worst outcome. You call passes that have only two possible outcomes, touchdown or incomplete pass. You have to take interception out of the equation. This is basic, football 101. Throwing the ball in the middle of the field introduces the interception into the equation, especially with anyone other than an experienced QB tasked with avoiding that outcome.

It was a terribly, terribly risky call in a situation in which Duke had safer options with a strong likelihood of success.


This is where we disagree.