Dukies in the NFL, 2019 Season

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There is some good talk about Daniel Jones in the draft thread, but now that we are approaching the preseason I figure it is time to start talking about the prospects of the other guys out there. This was initially sparked by some good news I've heard from Panthers reports, that Ross Cockrell is participating in offseason workouts and looking good/healthy. Assuming good health, I think he is expected to compete for the starting job and figures to be one of the favorites at the position. With that good news out the way, here's who I've got for our guys in the upcoming 2019 season. If I missed anyone, don't let me get away with it!

Here are links to last season's thread (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?42141-Dukies-in-the-NFL-2018-season&highlight=dukies+2018) and the 2019 NFL draft thread (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?42899-NFL-draft-conversation-(with-lots-of-Daniel-Jones-stuff)) for anyone who wants to catch up on all the chatter/action!

Already in the league (some may be practice squad players)
Daniel Jones (New York Giants, Quarterback)
Jamison Crowder (New York Jets, Wide Receiver)
Ross Cockrell (Carolina Panthers, Cornerback)
Lucas Patrick (Green Bay Packers, Guard)
Matt Skura (Baltimore Ravens, Center)
Laken Tomlinson (San Francisco 49ers, Guard)
Shaun Wilson (Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Running Back)
Max McCaffrey (San Francisco 49ers, Wide Receiver)
Thomas Hennessy (New York Jets, Long Snapper)
Breon Borders (Jacksonville Jaguars, Cornerback)

2019 UDFAs competing for roster spots
Joe Giles-Harris (Jacksonville Jaguars, Linebacker)

Daniel Helm (Los Angeles Chargers, Tight End)
Johnathan Lloyd, (Los Angeles Rams, Wide Receiver)
T.J. Rahming (Washington Redskins, Wide Receiver)

Guys I'm not sure about
Jeremy Cash: Last year he was with the Cardinals before tearing his knee up pretty bad. Has he recovered/is he continuing to pursue an NFL career? I still think the Panthers did him way wrong when he was with them.

Vincent Rey: Has he officially retired? Could a team bring him in as a reliable veteran reserve?

Ross Martin: It amazes me given some of the awful kicking (and injuries to good kickers) the last couple years that Ross never got a shot. I'm guessing its over for him but maybe he's still...kickin' it.

[Bob Green]

Tampa Bay Bucs waived Shaun Wilson today:

https://www.buccaneers.com/news/bucs-waive-rb-shaun-wilson

I hope he gets an opportunity elsewhere as Wilson was one of my favorite players in recent years.

[chrishoke]

Tx for starting this thread. How about Rose Cockrell with the Carolina Panthers?

[CameronBornAndBred]

Tx for starting this thread. How about Rose Cockrell with the Carolina Panthers?

Acy mentioned him, but he was jumbled next to Jamison instead of being on the next line.

I'm hoping Ross has an exciting season for more than just wishing a Dukie success; as a Panther's fan I want to see a pick-six or two!

[Reilly]

...

Already in the league (some may be practice squad players)
Daniel Jones (New York Giants, Quarterback)
Jamison Crowder (New York Jets, Wide Receiver)
Ross Cockrell (Carolina Panthers, Cornerback)
Lucas Patrick (Green Bay Packers, Guard)
Matt Skura (Baltimore Ravens, Center)
Laken Tomlinson (San Francisco 49ers, Guard)
Shaun Wilson (Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Running Back)
Max McCaffrey (San Francisco 49ers, Wide Receiver)
Thomas Hennessy (New York Jets, Long Snapper)
Breon Borders (Jacksonville Jaguars, Cornerback)

2019 UDFAs competing for roster spots
Joe Giles-Harris (Jacksonville Jaguars, Linebacker)

Daniel Helm (Los Angeles Chargers, Tight End)
Johnathan Lloyd, (Los Angeles Rams, Wide Receiver)
T.J. Rahming (Washington Redskins, Wide Receiver)

Guys I'm not sure about
Jeremy Cash: Last year he was with the Cardinals before tearing his knee up pretty bad. Has he recovered/is he continuing to pursue an NFL career? I still think the Panthers did him way wrong when he was with them.

Vincent Rey: Has he officially retired? Could a team bring him in as a reliable veteran reserve?

Ross Martin: It amazes me given some of the awful kicking (and injuries to good kickers) the last couple years that Ross never got a shot. I'm guessing its over for him but maybe he's still...kickin' it.

Ben Watson is with the Patriots: http://www.nfl.com/player/benjaminwatson/2506122/profile

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatsBe00.htm

He's #25 among active players in games played: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/g_active.htm

Ben caught a TD at UVA in 1999 in Carl Franks's first win but it wasn't *the* TD that Duke made that day: http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=211356392

[BD80]

... How about Rose Cockrell with the Carolina Panthers?

A Ross by any other name ...

[Acymetric]

Tampa Bay Bucs waived Shaun Wilson today:

https://www.buccaneers.com/news/bucs-waive-rb-shaun-wilson

I hope he gets an opportunity elsewhere as Wilson was one of my favorite players in recent years.

I recall hearing positive things about him, and didn't he get some real game time at some point due to injuries? Hopefully he'll latch on somewhere, guys who can catch out of the backfield are certainly in demand in today's NFL.


Acy mentioned him, but he was jumbled next to Jamison instead of being on the next line.

I'm hoping Ross has an exciting season for more than just wishing a Dukie success; as a Panther's fan I want to see a pick-six or two!

Oops...thanks to the mod who fixed that for me. News about Ross was half the reason I made the thread!


Ben Watson is with the Patriots: http://www.nfl.com/player/benjaminwatson/2506122/profile

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatsBe00.htm

He's #25 among active players in games played: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/g_active.htm

Ben caught a TD at UVA in 1999 in Carl Franks's first win but it wasn't *the* TD that Duke made that day: http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=211356392

Looks like the source I used only considers the most recent school for school affiliation. Honestly, I tend to agree with that and probably wouldn't list Watson as an active NFL player even if I had thought about it while making the list. Grad transfers are a bit different, as are certain hardship-related transfers on a case by case basis (think Elliot Williams).


A Ross by any other name ...

Can't spork, but fantastic work.

[Acymetric]

This kind of flew under the radar, but apparently Ross Martin signed with the Browns earlier this month. I'm not sure he'll beat out Greg Joseph for the 53 man roster, but at least he's getting another look. Still hard to believe he can't find a landing spot given the state of some teams' kicking games in recent years. I suspect distance on kickoffs might be part of the issue, but surely the reliability in field goals is valuable.

Heck, the Panthers rostered two kickers not too long ago, one for kickoffs and one for field goals (not that I recommend any other teams make such a terrible, terrible move but it isn't without precedent).

[budwom]

This kind of flew under the radar, but apparently Ross Martin signed with the Browns earlier this month. I'm not sure he'll beat out Greg Joseph for the 53 man roster, but at least he's getting another look. Still hard to believe he can't find a landing spot given the state of some teams' kicking games in recent years. I suspect distance on kickoffs might be part of the issue, but surely the reliability in field goals is valuable.

Heck, the Panthers rostered two kickers not too long ago, one for kickoffs and one for field goals (not that I recommend any other teams make such a terrible, terrible move but it isn't without precedent).

Our own Blue Devils have been known to use the two kicker approach as well, of course, though we have more than 53 slots to work with.

[Reilly]

This kind of flew under the radar, but apparently Ross Martin signed with the Browns earlier this month ...

Source? Ross is not listed on the roster or among the transactions, that I'm seeing: https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/transactions/

[Acymetric]

Source? Ross is not listed on the roster or among the transactions, that I'm seeing: https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/transactions/

...Huh. I could have sworn I saw him listed, but maybe I wasn't looking at the official team roster and the info was old (from last year). This appears to be incorrect after all, bummer.

[JasonEvans]

Ross posted on Twitter about 3 weeks ago (https://twitter.com/ross_martin1/status/1136646486731739137) that he is still working out and hoping for another chance. He also posted a video of some recent kicks.

[Reilly]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/06/26/vincent-rey-works-out-for-ravens/

[CameronBornAndBred]

Jones is making impressions. He's the cover boy for this article.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/eight-players-already-standing-out-during-training-camp/ar-AAEWSCr?li=BBnb7Kz

[sagegrouse]

Jones is making impressions. He's the cover boy for this article.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/eight-players-already-standing-out-during-training-camp/ar-AAEWSCr?li=BBnb7Kz

Short excerpt:


Will this rookie No. 6 overall pick unseat two-time Super Bowl winner Eli Manning as a rookie? Don’t bank on it. But Jones is already showing out during the early stages of training camp. He’s made throws that Manning could only imagine. Arm talent has never been an issue here. We’re also going to have to wait until real game action in the preseason, but the Giants have to be impressed by what they’ve seen from the Duke product during the early stages of camp.

[budwom]

Classic stuff. The article says there was never any doubt about arm strength, but actually lots of people questioned his arm strength. It's just funny that Jones went from being the dumbest pick ever to a budding starter.
Such is life in sports...if he stumbles a bit early on they'll drop him in the Hudson (metaphorically). If he wins they'll have a parade. I imagine Jones will spend the year alternating between bum and hero.

Right now the Giants don't have any receivers to throw to, so maybe Eli should keep the reigns for the time being...

[devildeac]

Classic stuff. The article says there was never any doubt about arm strength, but actually lots of people questioned his arm strength. It's just funny that Jones went from being the dumbest pick ever to a budding starter.
Such is life in sports...if he stumbles a bit early on they'll drop him in the Hudson (metaphorically). If he wins they'll have a parade. I imagine Jones will spend the year alternating between bum and hero.

Right now the Giants don't have any receivers to throw to, so maybe Eli should keep the reigns for the time being...

Hmm, where have I heard something like that before when DJ has been discussed?

(scratching chin and :rolleyes:...)

[CameronBornAndBred]

If he wins they'll have a parade. I imagine Jones will spend the year alternating between bum and hero.


If Eli starts out coldly, Giants fans will be clamoring for the bum. (PS...read that article, and then goto the Twitter post that is linked. It is fun to read the replies between those that are shouting DJ sucks and is doomed, and those saying he is THE FUTURE.)

[budwom]

Hmm, where have I heard something like that before when DJ has been discussed?

(scratching chin and :rolleyes:...)

https://nypost.com/2019/07/27/giants-address-wide-receiver-woes-with-two-signings/

In this example, it isn't so much questioning the talent (as it was at Duke) as it is dealing with a slew of injuries and a key suspensions of WRs...they're pulling in guys off the street at this point...

[roywhite]

No doubt the Giants seem to be short on WRs, but they do have a terrific weapon in Saquon Barkley. As a rookie, he rushed for over 1300 yards and caught 91 passes.

[DevilHorse]

The task for the Giants will be made more difficult, both for Eli and Daniel, because the top 3 receivers have issues:

0) Odell Beckham Jr. is gone
1) Sterling Shephard - Broken finger (tip)
2) Golden Tate - 4 game suspension (appeal pending)
3) Corey Coleman - ACL Injury - Out for the year

Larry
DevilHorse

[Acymetric]

The task for the Giants will be made more difficult, both for Eli and Daniel, because the top 3 receivers have issues:

0) Odell Beckham Jr. is gone
1) Sterling Shephard - Broken finger (tip)
2) Golden Tate - 4 game suspension (appeal pending)
3) Corey Coleman - ACL Injury - Out for the year

Larry
DevilHorse

The Giants had WR problem before any of them got hurt. Sterling Shepard is a fine player, but not a #1 receiver. Tate's a shadow of what he once was, his best days are behind him (still a respectable receiver, but also not a good option for a #1).

[AGDukesky]

On the bright side, Jones should have no trouble tossing it to Barkley....

[JasonEvans]

On the bright side, Jones should have no trouble tossing it to Barkley...

Not if other teams recognize that none of the WRs are a threat. They will put their best cover LB on Barkley and try to shut him down.

[budwom]

Therefore....maybe it's best that DJ sit for a while and let Eli deal with the woeful WR issue...

[Bob Green]

Per Sports Radio, during my afternoon drive, Jamison Crowder left Jets practice on a cart due to a foot injury. No additional details available pending MRI results.

Link: https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/jets-practice-report-jamison-crowder-exits-darryl-roberts-steps-up

[Bob Green]

Shaun Wilson in Redskins training camp:

https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/7/25/8929987/who-is-shaun-wilson-the-new-redskins-running-back


@P_ConnerJr
Here's new #Redskins RB Shaun Wilson. Already crowded position but definite speed factor showed up each time I saw him.

Good luck to Shaun!

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Therefore...maybe it's best that DJ sit for a while and let Eli deal with the woeful WR issue...

THIS....^^^^ my thoughts exactly....

[InSpades]

The Giants had WR problem before any of them got hurt. Sterling Shepard is a fine player, but not a #1 receiver. Tate's a shadow of what he once was, his best days are behind him (still a respectable receiver, but also not a good option for a #1).

Golden Tate was on pace for his usual production in 2018 while with Detroit. After getting traded to the Eagles they clearly never figured out how to use him. To say he's a "shadow of what he once was" based off not getting used properly after a mid-season trade... is a huge stretch.

The Giants are certainly not strong at WR (and much less so if Tate is missing some time) but Shepard could be ready for the start of the season and no one was really counting on Coleman. They have an exceptional pass catching back and an above average TE. They should do fine.

[Acymetric]

Golden Tate was on pace for his usual production in 2018 while with Detroit. After getting traded to the Eagles they clearly never figured out how to use him. To say he's a "shadow of what he once was" based off not getting used properly after a mid-season trade... is a huge stretch.

The Giants are certainly not strong at WR (and much less so if Tate is missing some time) but Shepard could be ready for the start of the season and no one was really counting on Coleman. They have an exceptional pass catching back and an above average TE. They should do fine.

Ok, that was phrased a little too strongly. I think what I really meant is that he had his huge pro-bowl year several years ago and has never looked quite that good since (he has been a solid but not spectacular receiver).

"Should do fine" is relative, I guess, but it doesn't look like a team that will improve on their 2018 record to me.

[InSpades]

Ok, that was phrased a little too strongly. I think what I really meant is that he had his huge pro-bowl year several years ago and has never looked quite that good since (he has been a solid but not spectacular receiver).

"Should do fine" is relative, I guess, but it doesn't look like a team that will improve on their 2018 record to me.

It's not that hard to improve on 5 wins but they might struggle to do it.

They are eating a lot of dead money this year (like $35m in cap space on players on other teams) and they are going to eat the last year of Eli's contract instead of spreading it out. I still think they improved in a lot of important areas (offensive line in particular). 2019 might still be a struggle but I think they've put themselves in a good position going forward and hopefully that means Daniel Jones gets a good opportunity to take the lead of the team in 2020.

[bundabergdevil]

Without looking at the back of the jersey, which QB is which? Some Talented Mr. Ripley voodoo going on here...

9645

[Bob Green]

Jamison Crowder medically cleared:


Rich Cimini
ESPN Staff Writer
Jets WR Jamison Crowder, who left practice yesterday with a foot injury, has been medically cleared and will practice tomorrow, the team announced.

[Acymetric]

Without looking at the back of the jersey, which QB is which? Some Talented Mr. Ripley voodoo going on here...

9645

Jones left, Manning right. They do look similar (and have similar demeanor) but they don't look that much alike.

[Bob Green]

Daniel Helm picked up off waivers by 49ers:


@49ers
· 20h
The #49ers have claimed TE Daniel Helm off waivers from the Los Angeles Chargers. In order to make room on the roster, the team has released TE Niles Paul.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

ESPN's Barnwell has not softened on the pick of Jones yet by the Giants....
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27296131/barnwell-picking-five-nfl-teams-most-likely-improve-2019#car

[Bob Green]

I listened to Jay Gruden question and answer session on local Sports Radio and he had some solid comments on T.J. Rahming. Gruden stated (paraphrasing) Rahming is showing flashes of being a really, really good slot receiver. He has great hands and knows how to run routes...he was very productive at Duke. The preseason games will be very important for a guy like Rahming because the things he is showing in practice have to translate to games.

Gruden's comments were in response to a question about how important preseason games would be for Rahming who is impressing in practice.

[duke74]

Serby calling for him to start on Thursday against the Jets:

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/giants-cant-baby-daniel-jones-now-after-all-thats-happened/


Interesting comments by another G-man 1st round pick, Dexter Lawrence, who happens to be DJ's roommate.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/giants-odd-jones-lawrence-roommate-couple-is-a-godsend/

[budwom]

Jones's receivers dropped 39 passes during his career, and FBS best! Nice article here...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/07/sports/football/daniel-jones-eli-manning-giants-quarterback.html

[Acymetric]

Jones's receivers dropped 39 passes during his career, and FBS best! Nice article here...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/07/sports/football/daniel-jones-eli-manning-giants-quarterback.html

Really good article, thanks for sharing.

The 39 balls dropped must be for the 2018 season only. There is almost no way 39 dropped balls would be the most of any QB over 3 years (well, I guess maybe if there were only a handful of other 3 years starters...it certainly would not be the most for any team over that span). It would definitely be astronomically high for a single season though.

[budwom]

Really good article, thanks for sharing.

The 39 balls dropped must be for the 2018 season only. There is almost no way 39 dropped balls would be the most of any QB over 3 years (well, I guess maybe if there were only a handful of other 3 years starters...it certainly would not be the most for any team over that span). It would definitely be astronomically high for a single season though.

I had wondered the same thing about the drops stat, but clearly they are talking about his career with the TDs, completions, etc...not sure what constitutes a drop anyway, maybe it's not just catchable balls but outright in and out of the hands stuff, of which we clearly saw at least 39 of those during his career.

The other stat in the article which stood out was that Jones was the only guy drafted by the NFL during his four years here/there...ouch...obviously our talent has been upgraded from pre Cut days, but we really should be doing better than that.

[Acymetric]

I had wondered the same thing about the drops stat, but clearly they are talking about his career with the TDs, completions, etc...not sure what constitutes a drop anyway, maybe it's not just catchable balls but outright in and out of the hands stuff, of which we clearly saw at least 39 of those during his career.

The other stat in the article which stood out was that Jones was the only guy drafted by the NFL during his four years here/there...ouch...obviously our talent has been upgraded from pre Cut days, but we really should be doing better than that.

Maybe they're using a different criteria for drops, but that would be a better-than-average drop rate in the NFL and nowhere close to the bottom. I find it borderline impossible that of the 130 teams in the FBS every single team had a better drop rate than most NFL teams. I know they're talking about career for the other stats, but I'm wondering if they were mixing/matching there. The only way I buy it is if they only looked at individual QBs instead of teams overall and only like 3 other QBs had played as many games as Jones during that time. I would guess that most college teams average at least 10 drops per season.

[Acymetric]

The other stat in the article which stood out was that Jones was the only guy drafted by the NFL during his four years here/there...ouch...obviously our talent has been upgraded from pre Cut days, but we really should be doing better than that.

Meant to also comment on this specifically. I think it is definitely disappointing that we haven't seen much of an uptick in players drafted. I would hope for/expect at least one player per year. That being said, there are a few guys who might have been drafted if not for injuries.

Probably:
DeVon Edwards
Mark Gilbert

Maybe:
Joe Giles-Harris

[budwom]

Maybe they're using a different criteria for drops, but that would be a better-than-average drop rate in the NFL and nowhere close to the bottom. I find it borderline impossible that of the 130 teams in the FBS every single team had a better drop rate than most NFL teams. I know they're talking about career for the other stats, but I'm wondering if they were mixing/matching there. The only way I buy it is if they only looked at individual QBs instead of teams overall and only like 3 other QBs had played as many games as Jones during that time. I would guess that most college teams average at least 10 drops per season.

The one thing I do know (I think most of us would agree) that our receivers, over the past few years, have dropped an inordinate number of passes, at least several of which would have been long touchdowns.
As such, it'll be interesting to see what an (almost) entirely new crop of WRs can do under the tutelage of a new WR coach.

[Acymetric]

The one thing I do know (I think most of us would agree) that our receivers, over the past few years, have dropped an inordinate number of passes, at least several of which would have been long touchdowns.
As such, it'll be interesting to see what an (almost) entirely new crop of WRs can do under the tutelage of a new WR coach.

Oh, we definitely dropped a lot of passes. I'm just saying that either that number is wrong, or stating that it was the worst in all of NCAA Football was wrong. It only comes out to ~1 drop per game, which is not great but isn't that​ bad. I could easily believe that we dropped 39 passes just in 2018 alone (~3 per game).

[budwom]

Oh, we definitely dropped a lot of passes. I'm just saying that either that number is wrong, or stating that it was the worst in all of NCAA Football was wrong. It only comes out to ~1 drop per game, which is not great but isn't that​ bad. I could easily believe that we dropped 39 passes just in 2018 alone (~3 per game).

Oh I agree, I couldn't reconcile those numbers at all...but I do still have visions of Garner dropping a sure fire TD pass, and several more to boot (literally).

[TruBlu]

Oh I agree, I couldn't reconcile those numbers at all...but I do still have visions of Garner dropping a sure fire TD pass, and several more to boot (literally).

. . . and one to a helmet!🤬

[devildeac]

. . . and one to a helmet!🤬

I've seen that more than once :rolleyes::mad:.

[Acymetric]

. . . and one to a helmet!🤬


I've seen that more than once :rolleyes::mad:.

I mean, the Giants won a Super Bowl that way...

[jimsumner]

. . . and one to a helmet!🤬

I recall it was Chris Taylor who lost one off his helmet.

[budwom]

I've seen that more than once :rolleyes::mad:.

I bet many on this board recall from the Spurrier days when Keith Ewell got wide open downfield and the ball hit him in the facemask...might've been the Cuthbert vs Clemmons game...but hey, Keith is now an actor and director, so his 40 year decision looks OK (despite the plunk on the helmet).

[Acymetric]

Not helmet related, but does anyone else remember Johnny Williams catching a ball wide open around midfield (like nobody within 20-30 yards of him) and then just tripping over his own feet and falling down while he was running with the ball?

[budwom]

The NY Post does a good job of following the Giants...numerous stories here:

https://nypost.com/tag/new-york-giants/

[Acymetric]

Duke guys to keep an eye out for tonight as the preseason gets started (some will definitely play, others may not depending on injury status and how much the teams play their starters). I'm not sure what the best legal way to watch the non-NFL Network games is, or even if there is one. Maybe local channels if you are in the area? I've put a '*' next to games/players I think are most likely to get any real amount of burn.

New York Jets "@" New York Giants (7:00 PM ET, NFL Network)*
Daniel Jones (NYG #8)*
Jamison Crowder (NYJ #82)*
Thomas Hennessy (NYJ #42)

Washington Redskins @ Cleveland Browns (7:30 PM ET)*
Shaun Wilson (Washington #31)*
T.J. Rahming (Washington #88)*

Jacksonville Jaguars @ Baltimore Ravens (7:30 PM ET)*
Breon Borders (Jacksonville #31)*
Joe Giles-Harris (Jacksonville #57)*
Matt Skura (Baltimore #68)

Carolina Panthers @ Chicago Bears (8:00 PM ET)*
Ross Cockrell (Carolina Panthers #47)*

Houston Texans @ Green Bay Packers (8:00 PM ET)
Lucas Patrick (Green Bay Packers #62)


If I'm leaving anyone out, or someone has switched teams/been cut, or someone is injured and definitely not playing, chime in!

[budwom]

^ I see Hennessey is slated to make $645k or so this year...not a bad niche, one of the better money to conk on the head ratios in the game....the next Patrick Mannelley perhaps?

[duke74]

DJ 5/5 for 67 yards and a touchdown on his first drive as a pro. Watching Giants versus my Jets on local New York station.

Know it’s early and only the first exhibition game, but if you’re going to start you might as well start with perfection. He looked like a pro.

And, I just heard that the Jets’ TD came on a pass from Darnold to Crowder.

7-6 G-men, now in a weather (lightning) delay.

[Bob Green]

Daniel Jones goes 5-5 for 67 yards and a TD on his first drive.

[Acymetric]

Two Duke TDs so far in the Jets-Giants game! Crowder with a nice TD for the Jets, and DJ looking good on the Giants' second drive (5-5, 67 yards and a TD).

[OldPhiKap]

Duke guys to keep an eye out for tonight as the preseason gets started (some will definitely play, others may not depending on injury status and how much the teams play their starters). I'm not sure what the best legal way to watch the non-NFL Network games is, or even if there is one. Maybe local channels if you are in the area? I've put a '*' next to games/players I think are most likely to get any real amount of burn.

New York Jets "@" New York Giants (7:00 PM ET, NFL Network)*
Daniel Jones (NYG #8)*
Jamison Crowder (NYJ #82)*
Thomas Hennessy (NYJ #42)

Washington Redskins @ Cleveland Browns (7:30 PM ET)*
Shaun Wilson (Washington #31)*
T.J. Rahming (Washington #88)*

Jacksonville Jaguars @ Baltimore Ravens (7:30 PM ET)*
Breon Borders (Jacksonville #31)*
Joe Giles-Harris (Jacksonville #57)*
Matt Skura (Baltimore #68)

Carolina Panthers @ Chicago Bears (8:00 PM ET)*
Ross Cockrell (Carolina Panthers #47)*

Houston Texans @ Green Bay Packers (8:00 PM ET)
Lucas Patrick (Green Bay Packers #62)


If I'm leaving anyone out, or someone has switched teams/been cut, or someone is injured and definitely not playing, chime in!


A spork-worthy effort, this list is invaluable!

[texasdevil06]

Looks like Eli is starting tonight for the Giants, but I imagine Jones will get a ton of burn.

Eli one series... 3 and out. Darnold to Jamison Crowder for the TD for the Jets, kick missed.

Jones comes in... 5 for 5 and a TD. Outstanding ball placement. Weather delay. 7-6 Giants.

[Acymetric]

kick missed.


Somebody call Ross Martin.

[CameronBornAndBred]

Crybaby Dwayne Haskins, who was all sulky about not being taken before DJ, threw a pick six in his first series.
:D

[Acymetric]

Crybaby Dwayne Haskins, who was all sulky about not being taken before DJ, threw a pick six in his first series.
:D

I don't know much about football, is that better or worse than 5-5 for 67 yards and a TD?

[CameronBornAndBred]

Now Crybaby Haskins has thrown TWO pick sixes...HAHAHHAHAHAHA!

[OldPhiKap]

Crybaby Dwayne Haskins, who was all sulky about not being taken before DJ, threw a pick six in his first series.
:D


I don't know much about football, is that better or worse than 5-5 for 67 yards and a TD?


Now Crybaby Haskins has thrown TWO INTs...HAHAHHAHAHAHA!

I’m with Acy. Haskins is now 2 for 2, right?

[CameronBornAndBred]

I’m with Acy. Haskins is now 2 for 2, right?

He's thrown more TDs, that's for sure.

[OldPhiKap]

Somehow, tOSU and whining seem to go hand in hand.

[uh_no]

Somehow, tOSU and whining seem to go hand in hand.

didn't realize there was such mobility between columbus and chapel hill..

[CameronBornAndBred]

I misread box score, so Crybaby Haskins only threw one pick six, (but still two INTs). So scoring wise, he is still tied with DJ.

[jimsumner]

Shaun Wilson had a 15-yard KOR for the Redskins.

If only he could play quarterback.

[jwillfan]

https://twitter.com/DukeFOOTBALL/status/1159611691644194816

"DJ dropping dimes" - was very nice

[JasonEvans]

https://twitter.com/DukeFOOTBALL/status/1159611691644194816

"DJ dropping dimes" - was very nice

His eyes were on the target the whole time, which can be a problem with more experienced corners, but he had to drop that sucker in just right to get it over the CB and yet allow his receiver to stay in bounds. Pretty nice throw.

I predict that all those booing Giant fans and dismissive columnists will be screaming like crazy for Jones to be made the starter in about week 6** of the season.

--Jason "**-if not sooner... perhaps much sooner" Evans

[JasonEvans]

Twitter belongs to Daniel Jones tonight.

@darrenrovell 3h
Who knows if Daniel Jones is going to be good? The only thing that’s guaranteed is that 99 percent of people who bashed the Giants pick hadn’t watched a single live play of him at Duke.

@NFL_Memes 2h
Live look in at the Giants sidelines when Daniel Jones threw that TD pass
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBfHOJ6XYA0kxFa?format=jpg&name=small

@RVacchianoSNY 3h
Daniel Jones, who may never throw an NFL incompletion, was 5 for 5 for 67 yards on that opening drive.

@PLeonardNYDN 3h
The officials have suspended the Giants-Jets game because Daniel Jones' first career NFL drive prompted lightning to descend from the skies.

@TheClemReport 3h
Play has been suspended because Daniel Jones is the m**f**ing mind flayer

@NYG__Andrew
People are bashing the Giants for taking Jones over Haskins but who they really should be bashing is the Cardinals for taking Kyler Murray over Daniel Jones.

@alexanderDEF 2h
The GOAT has arrived and God is weaping tears of joy
#DanielJones !!! 💰

[Acymetric]

Shaun Wilson had a 15-yard KOR for the Redskins.

If only he could play quarterback.


Twitter belongs to Daniel Jones tonight.

@darrenrovell 3h
Who knows if Daniel Jones is going to be good? The only thing that’s guaranteed is that 99 percent of people who bashed the Giants pick hadn’t watched a single live play of him at Duke.

@NFL_Memes 2h
Live look in at the Giants sidelines when Daniel Jones threw that TD pass
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBfHOJ6XYA0kxFa?format=jpg&name=small

@RVacchianoSNY 3h
Daniel Jones, who may never throw an NFL incompletion, was 5 for 5 for 67 yards on that opening drive.

@PLeonardNYDN 3h
The officials have suspended the Giants-Jets game because Daniel Jones' first career NFL drive prompted lightning to descend from the skies.

@TheClemReport 3h
Play has been suspended because Daniel Jones is the m**f**ing mind flayer

@NYG__Andrew
People are bashing the Giants for taking Jones over Haskins but who they really should be bashing is the Cardinals for taking Kyler Murray over Daniel Jones.

@alexanderDEF 2h
The GOAT has arrived and God is weaping tears of joy
#DanielJones !!! 💰

I couldn't spork JE or Jim, so I'm going to quote them for emphasis.

[duke74]

From jeers to cheers. Even to gushing.

Saying all the right things. And the performance not hurting, albeit in the first preseason game...

Ride that roller coaster...

https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/daniel-jones-time-may-arrive-sooner-rather-than-later-for-giants/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

[jv001]

Twitter belongs to Daniel Jones tonight.

@darrenrovell 3h
Who knows if Daniel Jones is going to be good? The only thing that’s guaranteed is that 99 percent of people who bashed the Giants pick hadn’t watched a single live play of him at Duke.

@NFL_Memes 2h
Live look in at the Giants sidelines when Daniel Jones threw that TD pass
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBfHOJ6XYA0kxFa?format=jpg&name=small

@RVacchianoSNY 3h
Daniel Jones, who may never throw an NFL incompletion, was 5 for 5 for 67 yards on that opening drive.

@PLeonardNYDN 3h
The officials have suspended the Giants-Jets game because Daniel Jones' first career NFL drive prompted lightning to descend from the skies.

@TheClemReport 3h
Play has been suspended because Daniel Jones is the m**f**ing mind flayer

@NYG__Andrew
People are bashing the Giants for taking Jones over Haskins but who they really should be bashing is the Cardinals for taking Kyler Murray over Daniel Jones.

@alexanderDEF 2h
The GOAT has arrived and God is weaping tears of joy
#DanielJones !!! 💰

Is that Eli Manning with the sad look on his face in the background. I would have thought he would be grinning and high fiving. Maybe he sees the writing on the wall. GoDaniel and GoDuke!

[Bob Green]

Is that Eli Manning with the sad look on his face in the background. I would have thought he would be grinning and high fiving. Maybe he sees the writing on the wall. GoDaniel and GoDuke!

No. Eli was in uniform on the sidelines.

[Acymetric]

No. Eli was in uniform on the sidelines.

Slight correction: yes, that was Eli but he was photoshopped in.

[Bob Green]

Slight correction: yes, that was Eli but he was photoshopped in.

Thanks for the correction as that went completely over my head -- not hard to accomplish.

[JasonEvans]

Slight correction: yes, that was Eli but he was photoshopped in.

Yes, it is Eli but I think that is from a Superbowl that his brother was in or something like that. There are also plenty of Twitter images of Eli actually on the sidelines from last night looking sorta sad.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBfBWjtUEAEascN?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBfB3ynXkAIu_os?format=jpg&name=small

[duke74]

Is that Eli Manning with the sad look on his face in the background. I would have thought he would be grinning and high fiving. Maybe he sees the writing on the wall. GoDaniel and GoDuke!

Wasn’t from last night. Eli was in uniform and played the first series.

Sorry saw the other posts after this one.

[BD80]

Thanks for the correction as that went completely over my head -- not hard to accomplish.

Like an Eli throw on a crossing route! (He no longer has the arm strength to overthrow out routes).


DJ better learn to look off of his intended targets, or else he'll be throwing a LOT of TD passes - in the wrong direction. He really stared down his receiver on that TD pass he threw last night.

Hopefully, with a little success like last night, he'll develop more confidence in his reads and feel comfortable glancing away to hold the secondary for that extra second.

[Acymetric]

So, obviously Daniel Jones had a great night last night. Jamison Crowder looked good as well (catching a TD on the opening series, do not believe he played after that).

A few other guys got in on the action.

Shaun Wilson got 4 carries for 4 yards, and had one catch for 12 yards for the Redskins (he did have another nice 19 yard catch but it was called back due to a penalty). His rushing numbers would have looked a little better if not for an ill-fated last play of the game where he went for -5 yards. He also recovered the ball after Redskins QB Woodrum was sacked and lost the ball, so a nice heads up play there. Was in for some kick and punt returns.

T.J. Rahming, also for the Redskins, didn't do much but had 4 targets (catching one of them for 6 yards).

Breon Borders and Joe Giles-Harris both played for Jacksonville, with Borders logging 3 tackles and Giles-Harris with 1. Not sure how much time on the field either got because I didn't actually watch this game.

Thomas Hennessy snapped some balls pretty far.


Ross Cockrell did not play for the Panthers, but that may have been expected as he is returning from a pretty bad injury (it is my understanding that he is practicing though, I think they're just being careful with him). Not sure if the OL guys (Skura or Patrick) played much.

[OldPhiKap]

The New York press and fan base can turn on you in, well, a New York Minute.

Really glad for DJ and I expect great things. But some of the things I'm seeing on Twitter from a single series in a preseason game is crazy.

[budwom]

The New York press and fan base can turn on you in, well, a New York Minute.

Really glad for DJ and I expect great things. But some of the things I'm seeing on Twitter from a single series in a preseason game is crazy.

Should he falter (as rookies inevitably do) they'll be on him like jackals. I was just thinking, with his suspect offensive line and dearth of receivers, it's just like being at Duke again.

[duke74]

The New York press and fan base can turn on you in, well, a New York Minute.

Really glad for DJ and I expect great things. But some of the things I'm seeing on Twitter from a single series in a preseason game is crazy.

And, obviously, to you. ;)

[brlftz]

Should he falter (as rookies inevitably do) they'll be on him like jackals. I was just thinking, with his suspect offensive line and dearth of receivers, it's just like being at Duke again.

His receivers caught 5 passes in a row last night, though. I wonder if he EVER had that happen at Duke. :rolleyes:

[jimsumner]

Newsflash people. NFL receivers tend to be better than college receivers. That's why they're in the NFL.

[Avvocato]

As someone living in New York, good for DJ after all of the craziness with being drafted #6. He has been winning over supporters in training camp, but there's nothing like live game action on TV to show people.
Naturally, it was one preseason series in a preseason opener and you can't make too much out of it. He could look like a mess the next game out. However, with that said, he played well and everyone is now wondering when he will be taking over. Typical fan reaction, or overreaction (not just NY fan reaction). However, my main point is that can you imagine if the opposite happened? If DJ went out there and went 0-5, or 2-5 with 7 yards? He (and the GM) may not have made it out of the stadium alive. Regardless of what it means long term, he made a statement that has garnered support, given him confidence, and bought him (and the organization) a lot of breathing room to continue to develop and learn. And that is how you shut up doubters. Just play well. Now, again, that was one series. He'll have to do it over the long term. But good for him last night. Great night for him.

[duke74]

As someone living in New York, good for DJ after all of the craziness with being drafted #6. He has been winning over supporters in training camp, but there's nothing like live game action on TV to show people.
Naturally, it was one preseason series in a preseason opener and you can't make too much out of it. He could look like a mess the next game out. However, with that said, he played well and everyone is now wondering when he will be taking over. Typical fan reaction, or overreaction (not just NY fan reaction). However, my main point is that can you imagine if the opposite happened? If DJ went out there and went 0-5, or 2-5 with 7 yards? He (and the GM) may not have made it out of the stadium alive. Regardless of what it means long term, he made a statement that has garnered support, given him confidence, and bought him (and the organization) a lot of breathing room to continue to develop and learn. And that is how you shut up doubters. Just play well. Now, again, that was one series. He'll have to do it over the long term. But good for him last night. Great night for him.

Completely agree with this. And, he's been carrying himself with the maturity and professionalism that we would have expected. As you note, this training camp has been successful so far - on and off the field - and all of the newspapers have reflected that. Very different than the furor surrounding the draft position.

[OldPhiKap]

Good press for Crowder:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/studs-duds-from-jets-preseason-opener/ar-AAFzQT1?ocid=iehp

[Bob Green]

Shaun Wilson had two punt returns for 37 yards with a long of 27 in the Redskins second preseason game. He also caught a pass for six yards.

T.J. Rahming has been waived.

[Bob Green]

Halftime in New York: Daniel Jones 11-14 for 161 yards and a TD. However, DJ fumbled twice. I suspect his evening is finished.

[duke74]

Halftime in New York: Daniel Jones 11-14 for 161 yards and a TD. However, DJ fumbled twice. I suspect his evening is finished.

Shurmur was very complimentary of DJ despite fumbles. Complimented him on his recovery from the miscues and his maturity.

[Bob Green]

Shurmur was very complimentary of DJ despite fumbles. Complimented him on his recovery from the miscues and his maturity.

Agreed. My sentence structure could have been better. I did not mean to imply Daniel's evening was finished because he fumbled twice. I meant his evening was finished because it was halftime. Coach Shurmur stated before the game all four QBs would play.

[texasdevil06]

Halftime in New York: Daniel Jones 11-14 for 161 yards and a TD. However, DJ fumbled twice. I suspect his evening is finished.

NFL passer ratings for the first round rookie QBs after 2 preseason games:

Jones -- 151.8

Murray -- 67.6

Haskins -- 63.2

Giants fans calling for GM Dave Gettleman to be run out of town after the draft seem to be quiet for now.

[Avvocato]

NFL passer ratings for the first round rookie QBs after 2 preseason games:

Jones -- 151.8

Murray -- 67.6

Haskins -- 63.2

Giants fans calling for GM Dave Gettleman to be run out of town after the draft seem to be quiet for now.

Not only quiet, but the nickname “Danny Dimes” is building momentum (for DJ dropping dimes with his throws). You can see it evolving on Twitter and even to the point where he got asked about it after the game. Kind of funny. As for the game, he actually played well outside of the fumbles. Fumbles are terrible, obviously, but the more important thing is that he’s playing well. He looks poised, hitting long, middle and short throws. Getting the ball out. Can’t ask for more, and he has really turned around the fans. It’s turned into a really good situation for him. He showed his ability but can sit back and learn this year.

As for the fumbles, the fumbled snap is correctable. More of a rookie learning to play more under center. Just unfortunate that he had a great drive going when it happened. It’s preseason, so you can look past it now. The strip fumble against him was inexcusable. Rush came from his front side, didn’t feel it, and had one hand on the ball. Just can’t do that. But overall, another really good game for him.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

NFL passer ratings for the first round rookie QBs after 2 preseason games:

Jones -- 151.8

Murray -- 67.6

Haskins -- 63.2

Giants fans calling for GM Dave Gettleman to be run out of town after the draft seem to be quiet for now.

I knew the passer rating for "Danny Dimes" would be off the chart, thanks for verifying. BTW, does anyone know if he has taken off on a scramble or read option yet?

[budwom]

It's all encouraging so far regarding Daniel, but seriously, these games are a joke...the Bears withheld something like 26 guys from the "game," which is really more like an organized scrimmage. Coaches are sick of having key guys injured
in utterly meaningless games, so we get this junk instead...good for the rookies and young guys to show some stuff, but other than that not much can be discerned...

[texasdevil06]

I knew the passer rating for "Danny Dimes" would be off the chart, thanks for verifying. BTW, does anyone know if he has taken off on a scramble or read option yet?

Strictly in the pocket for now. Giants fan board commenters are convinced Shurmur is keeping DJ's ability to move under wraps for now.

[Bob Green]

I did not realize until reading this article (https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/8/17/20809804/shaun-wilson-looked-like-a-pretty-good-punt-returner-against-bengals-right-up-until-he-got-injured), that Shaun Wilson suffered a leg injury while serving on the punt coverage team the other night. He was rolled up on by a teammate. This injury significantly impacts his chances of making the 53 man roster.

[BD80]

NFL passer ratings for the first round rookie QBs after 2 preseason games:

Jones -- 151.8

Murray -- 67.6

Haskins -- 63.2

Giants fans calling for GM Dave Gettleman to be run out of town after the draft seem to be quiet for now.

Isn't 152 pretty close to the max rating?

[Tazman10]

His passing rating is good but what does not enter into this passer rating is the fact he had 2 fumbles and they lost both of them. That doesn’t make him look so good.

[AustinDevil]

It's all encouraging so far regarding Daniel, but seriously, these games are a joke...the Bears withheld something like 26 guys from the "game," which is really more like an organized scrimmage. Coaches are sick of having key guys injured
in utterly meaningless games, so we get this junk instead...good for the rookies and young guys to show some stuff, but other than that not much can be discerned...

That’s all absolutely true, but let’s not minimize the first part (“It’s all encouraging so far....”). Other rookie QBs are facing the same conditions and performing much, much worse (even accounting for the fumbles).

[Tazman10]

That’s all absolutely true, but let’s not minimize the first part (“It’s all encouraging so far...”). Other rookie QBs are facing the same conditions and performing much, much worse (even accounting for the fumbles).

So what you are saying is we should get excited about the JV QB that is doing good amongst the JV squads. Personally, I don’t care about any other rookie QBs that are not from Duke. Kinda like saying compared to UNC, Duke is doing good. I don’t care about UNC so I will not compare Duke to them.

[Papa John]

It's all encouraging so far regarding Daniel, but seriously, these games are a joke...the Bears withheld something like 26 guys from the "game," which is really more like an organized scrimmage. Coaches are sick of having key guys injured
in utterly meaningless games, so we get this junk instead...good for the rookies and young guys to show some stuff, but other than that not much can be discerned...

Yes, these are meaningless games and teams tend to hold out their best players to prevent injury. But you're still talking about players who are pro-level athletes, most who are trying to impress in order to either secure a roster slot or build their resume so perhaps they might get picked up by another team if cut. Given the circumstances, it's still a pretty impressive and encouraging stat. I think Jones was a bit of a reach at #6, but I definitely believe he was first-round material. I have a feeling he's going to do very well at this level, and it certainly doesn't hurt that he's learning under another Cut protege in Eli. I'm not a Giants fan, but will be hoping that Eli has a solid year so that DJ can observe, learn, and grow into the system so that he can comfortably take the reins a year or two down the road.

[texasdevil06]

His passing rating is good but what does not enter into this passer rating is the fact he had 2 fumbles and they lost both of them. That doesn’t make him look so good.

The 2nd fumble (strip sack) certainly does count against his NFL passer rating, as did the outright drop by the TE in one of his 3 incompletions last night.

It's a small sample size after 2 games, but DJ has the highest passer rating of any QB in the NFL, (including 12 current starters) for those QBs who have played more than one series.. The only 3 QBs rated ahead of him (Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins and Baker Mayfield) have thrown a total of 12 passes on one series for each of them.

Edit: The strip sack does not count against the passer rating. Got it confused with INT's.

[jv001]

So what you are saying is we should get excited about the JV QB that is doing good amongst the JV squads. Personally, I don’t care about any other rookie QBs that are not from Duke. Kinda like saying compared to UNC, Duke is doing good. I don’t care about UNC so I will not compare Duke to them.

Not going to say anything about the cheats, but I'm proud of Daniel. He got very bad press after the Giants drafted him early in the first round. So, I love that he's doing well. I don't care if it's against the Lexington YMCA. Daniel is a fine young man who happened to attend the best University in the country. Well in my opinion.
Go Daniel and GoDuke!

[HereBeforeCoachK]

His passing rating is good but what does not enter into this passer rating is the fact he had 2 fumbles and they lost both of them. That doesn’t make him look so good.

Someone clearly got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning......

[AGDukesky]

I only got to see one good replay of his first fumble, but it looked like the center was pulling left and his leg may have hit the ball as Jones was starting to move away. Did anyone get a good shot of it?

[AustinDevil]

So what you are saying is we should get excited about the JV QB that is doing good amongst the JV squads. Personally, I don’t care about any other rookie QBs that are not from Duke. Kinda like saying compared to UNC, Duke is doing good. I don’t care about UNC so I will not compare Duke to them.

I didn’t express an opinion on what you should or shouldn’t get excited about. Daniel is doing well; I’m glad; it’s fine that you don’t care.

I do reject the idea that a Duke fan can be wholly indifferent to how well we are doing compared to our primary, historical rival.

[Tazman10]

First of all, I wake up on the same side, right side, of the bed every morning. Secondly, I like Daniel he is a Dukie. I do have standards and they apply to everyone. I don’t change them because it is someone I know or like. All the reports I have seen from Giant reporters is he is having difficulty taking snaps and turning right or left. Drop backs, no problem. Also, even in practices, he is having problems reading the defense. I refuse to put the guy on a mountain for the fear of him falling down. Those guys have a great difficulty getting back up. I want him to succeed but at a pace that will help him to succeed in the future. Making him feel like he is walking on water is dangerous when he falls through. The reports are he is doing good in drop back passing but his rolling out and hanging onto the ball are huge issues. So if you want to brag about that fine but to be a true NFL QB he is going to need to do all of it. So I want him to be in the right mind set, best way to successful. But if people put him on top of the world the crash usually is too much to bare. A good NFL QB needs to hold on to the ball and move in the pocket, plus drop back and read the defense well. At this time he is 1 of 4 and people have him at the best rating for a QB, a passer rating not a QB rating. Be careful...

[Avvocato]

First of all, I wake up on the same side, right side, of the bed every morning. Secondly, I like Daniel he is a Dukie. I do have standards and they apply to everyone. I don’t change them because it is someone I know or like. All the reports I have seen from Giant reporters is he is having difficulty taking snaps and turning right or left. Drop backs, no problem. Also, even in practices, he is having problems reading the defense. I refuse to put the guy on a mountain for the fear of him falling down. Those guys have a great difficulty getting back up. I want him to succeed but at a pace that will help him to succeed in the future. Making him feel like he is walking on water is dangerous when he falls through. The reports are he is doing good in drop back passing but his rolling out and hanging onto the ball are huge issues. So if you want to brag about that fine but to be a true NFL QB he is going to need to do all of it. So I want him to be in the right mind set, best way to successful. But if people put him on top of the world the crash usually is too much to bare. A good NFL QB needs to hold on to the ball and move in the pocket, plus drop back and read the defense well. At this time he is 1 of 4 and people have him at the best rating for a QB, a passer rating not a QB rating. Be careful...

I live in New York and I am not seeing the same reports. I read the local papers and listen to NY sports radio. The reports are generally that DJ has played well in camp and winning the respect of his team (and the fans). It’s also the plan that Manning is and will be the starter this year to let DJ learn and develop, unless injury or another horrible start dictates otherwise. I think it’s true that DJ has played very well in the preseason so far, for what it’s worth, but the press, rightfully so, has also called him out on his two fumbles. It’s also true that he has played largely against backups, though he has also been playing with backup receivers, etc. It can all be true. I agree that playing well in a few preseason drives doesn’t mean or guaranty that he will be an elite starter, but I am not sure anyone is saying that. Giants fans are actually very excited about his play. They realize that the guy they booed and crucified the team for taking 6th might actually be a player. Who knows how it turns out long term. However, it could have been the opposite. Christian Hackenberg was drafted in the second round by the Jets a few years back. He was so bad they didn’t even want to play him in preseason games. In any case, at the end of the day, Jones has played well. I don’t think there is anything wrong with saying that and being excited about his play. Does it mean he’ll be a star, let alone a quality starter, no. We’ll see how it turns out. But it beats him coming out of the gate playing horribly, being labeled an instant bust, etc. Good start for him. Very happy for him. Hope he keeps it up. Let’s see what happens. Now, time for bed.

[Avvocato]

I only got to see one good replay of his first fumble, but it looked like the center was pulling left and his leg may have hit the ball as Jones was starting to move away. Did anyone get a good shot of it?

I watched the game. I think Jones just pulled out early and put it on the turf. Not a good play, especially in the red zone, but I wouldn’t get overly worked up over that one. More experience and comfort should cure that one. The second fumble is the one I would be worried about. He was careless with the ball and didn’t feel the pressure from his front side.

[budwom]

His progress is fine so far...nonetheless, it would be good for the Giants to continue starting Eli, get their OL and WR act together, and get Jones in the mix a bit later on...his chance will come probably sooner than later.

[Acymetric]

Not only quiet, but the nickname “Danny Dimes” is building momentum (for DJ dropping dimes with his throws). You can see it evolving on Twitter and even to the point where he got asked about it after the game. Kind of funny. As for the game, he actually played well outside of the fumbles. Fumbles are terrible, obviously, but the more important thing is that he’s playing well. He looks poised, hitting long, middle and short throws. Getting the ball out. Can’t ask for more, and he has really turned around the fans. It’s turned into a really good situation for him. He showed his ability but can sit back and learn this year.

As for the fumbles, the fumbled snap is correctable. More of a rookie learning to play more under center. Just unfortunate that he had a great drive going when it happened. It’s preseason, so you can look past it now. The strip fumble against him was inexcusable. Rush came from his front side, didn’t feel it, and had one hand on the ball. Just can’t do that. But overall, another really good game for him.

I think the bold portion needs to be emphasized. Did DJ ever take a snap under center at Duke? I don't think we even line up the QB under center in our goal-line packages.

[budwom]

I think the bold portion needs to be emphasized. Did DJ ever take a snap under center at Duke? I don't think we even line up the QB under center in our goal-line packages.

True, and most of the time he wasn't even in the game in the goal line package, which I often found questionable...never thought the Connette Package was all that great after Connette departed...would prefer to have the guy in at QB (Jones) who got the team down the field to the red zone in the first place.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

True, and most of the time he wasn't even in the game in the goal line package, which I often found questionable...never thought the Connette Package was all that great after Connette departed...would prefer to have the guy in at QB (Jones) who got the team down the field to the red zone in the first place.

AMEN bros, preach. The Connette package was not that good after teams got used to seeing it. We definitely used it beyond it's sell by date, and it cost the Boone teams TDs, I am sure of it. I also think we scored some TDs out of it when we were going to punch it in anyway.

I just think a hot QB is not to be replaced, period, whether you're talking about a starter rolling the team down the field on an easy drive, or a sub QB on a winning streak. Momentum is a powerful thing.

[budwom]

AMEN bros, preach. The Connette package was not that good after teams got used to seeing it. We definitely used it beyond it's sell by date, and it cost the Boone teams TDs, I am sure of it. I also think we scored some TDs out of it when we were going to punch it in anyway.

I just think a hot QB is not to be replaced, period, whether you're talking about a starter rolling the team down the field on an easy drive, or a sub QB on a winning streak. Momentum is a powerful thing.

yeah, that was my logic...when Jones was replaced by Harris, we were replacing a very good thrower with clearly a less good one (and even a less good runner)...and eventually the teams that bothered to watch tape realized that Harris was very unlikely to throw the ball at the goal line, whereas Jones was obviously a threat. Quite befuddling, especially since Jones was by far our best throwing AND running QB.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

yeah, that was my logic...when Jones was replaced by Harris, we were replacing a very good thrower with clearly a less good one (and even a less good runner)...and eventually the teams that bothered to watch tape realized that Harris was very unlikely to throw the ball at the goal line, whereas Jones was obviously a threat. Quite befuddling, especially since Jones was by far our best throwing AND running QB.

I think Harris' advantage over Jones is that he can scramble - he's quicker on the first 10-20 yards...but Jones is stronger in tight, and obviously a better passer too. Just no reason to do it....break your momentum, try and gimmick your way into the endzone...with the same gimmick you've run 50 times in a few years. All for what? One jump pass TD per season?

[sagegrouse]

yeah, that was my logic...when Jones was replaced by Harris, we were replacing a very good thrower with clearly a less good one (and even a less good runner)...and eventually the teams that bothered to watch tape realized that Harris was very unlikely to throw the ball at the goal line, whereas Jones was obviously a threat. Quite befuddling, especially since Jones was by far our best throwing AND running QB.

I think good Duke football players have to play. It is sometimes difficult to get second and third QBs on the field. I accept that as a positive for a goal-line offense.

Now, Spurrier, wherever he coached, seemed to play more than one quarterback. He'd get a wild idea for a play, turn to the sub QB next to him, and say "Go in and run "XYZ shift!" That doesn't happen when you are calling plays from the booth.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

I think good Duke football players have to play. It is sometimes difficult to get second and third QBs on the field. I accept that as a positive for a goal-line offense.

Now, Spurrier, wherever he coached, seemed to play more than one quarterback. He'd get a wild idea for a play, turn to the sub QB next to him, and say "Go in and run "XYZ shift!" That doesn't happen when you are calling plays from the booth.

I'm all for letting subs play more (especially in hoops) - but in this case - letting a 2nd string QB run that middle school mickey mouse goal line offensive, while the first team QB is a wasted player being set out as a WR - does nothing to help get the second QB ready for real action and certainly doesn't help by keeping a WR on the sidelines - and the cost is potentially sky high, ruining the momentum of long drives.

Spurrier was a whole different situation. Loved him as coach, though he should have stuck with David Brown for the bowl game. Brown was red hot.

[budwom]

I'm all for letting subs play more (especially in hoops) - but in this case - letting a 2nd string QB run that middle school mickey mouse goal line offensive, while the first team QB is a wasted player being set out as a WR - does nothing to help get the second QB ready for real action and certainly doesn't help by keeping a WR on the sidelines - and the cost is potentially sky high, ruining the momentum of long drives.

Spurrier was a whole different situation. Loved him as coach, though he should have stuck with David Brown for the bowl game. Brown was red hot.

Indeed, the difference was that with Spurrier you rarely knew what was coming; with Cut's Connette Package, you almost certainly knew what was coming...

[OldPhiKap]

Dolphins just signed TJ Rahming so fingers crossed.

I don’t see how anyone could not be happy with DJones’ debut but when my glass is half-empty I top it off.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

I don’t see how anyone could not be happy with DJones’ debut but when my glass is half-empty I top it off.

Wait til that guy sees the thread dedicated just to Jones in the NFL......

[BD80]

...

I don’t see how anyone could not be happy with DJones’ debut but when my glass is half-empty I top it off.

Better a topper than a tosser ...

[Bob Green]

- letting a 2nd string QB run that middle school mickey mouse goal line offensive [SIC]...

That description of our goal line offense is over-the-top.

The 2018 offense scored 31 Red Zone touchdowns, 16 passing and 15 rushing in 47 opportunities. That represents balance in my opinion.

Add in nine FGs for a .851 Red Zone success rate. Definitely room for improvement but not a dismal result.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

That description of our goal line offense is over-the-top.

The 2018 offense scored 31 Red Zone touchdowns, 16 passing and 15 rushing in 47 opportunities. That represents balance in my opinion.

Add in nine FGs for a .851 Red Zone success rate. Definitely room for improvement but not a dismal result.

It was not a description of the entire red zone offense, just of that gimmicky system, and it is a gimmicky alignment. That we scored 16 passing touchdowns in the red zone indicates that we didn't use that system as much as we might have in the past, because at most, one of those was out of this alignment, on that jump pass. My over all point is that our offense is good enough to score in the red zone without going to an alternate line up, and my point was never that the red zone O was terrible.

[Bob Green]

It was not a description of the entire red zone offense, just of that gimmicky system, and it is a gimmicky alignment.

It might be gimmicky but it is not "middle school mickey mouse."

[sagegrouse]

It might be gimmicky but it is not "middle school mickey mouse."

Yeah! Middle school has graduated to Donald Duck.

[BD80]

It might be gimmicky but it is not "middle school mickey mouse."


Yeah! Middle school has graduated to Donald Duck.

Reminds me of when Mickey felt compelled to defend Minnie's sanity. To which they replied: "We didn't say she was crazy, we said she was f---ing Goofy!"

Goofy/gimmicky - let's just say there was some Disney Magic!


I am so happy "feck" has entered this board's lexicon.

[Reilly]

Coach Middleton entering 7th season with Jaguars: https://www.jaguars.com/team/coaches-roster/ron-middleton

What other NFL coaches have Duke ties?

[richmclean]

RB Shaun Wilson will be kept on the Redskins roster, and likely placed on IR with the expectation he returns later in the season (Source: Ben Standig)

[Bob Green]

Thanks for the great news on Shaun Wilson.

[MCFinARL]

Apologies if this has been reported elsewhere, but Joe Giles-Harris has survived cut day to make the initial Jaguars roster. https://www.jaguars.com/news/the-jaguars-53-breaking-down-the-roster-x7703

Very happy to see this after injuries apparently hurt his draft status.

[Reilly]

RB Shaun Wilson will be kept on the Redskins roster, and likely placed on IR with the expectation he returns later in the season (Source: Ben Standig)

Officially to IR: https://www.redskins.com/news/redskins-sign-nine-players-to-practice-squad

[richmclean]

Apologies if this has been reported elsewhere, but Joe Giles-Harris has survived cut day to make the initial Jaguars roster. https://www.jaguars.com/news/the-jaguars-53-breaking-down-the-roster-x7703

Very happy to see this after injuries apparently hurt his draft status.

From the cited article: "The team feels good about the potential of Giles-Harris, who was solid throughout camp."

[Bob Green]

Jamison Crowder with 14 receptions for 99 yards in his debut with the Jets. He also rushed once for 4 yards.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Jamison Crowder with 14 receptions for 99 yards in his debut with the Jets. He also rushed once for 4 yards.

Yeah, I had seen where he had 7 of their first 11 receptions at one point....ended up with half of their completions and over half their yardage....but being the Jets, they lost.

[YmoBeThere]

Well, fumbling in his first set of downs was not an auspicious start for Daniel Jones.

[dukelifer]

Well, fumbling in his first set of downs was not an auspicious start for Daniel Jones.

Throwing 3 ints in your first game after being hyped all off season an even worse start for Baker Mayfield.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Throwing 3 ints in your first game after being hyped all off season an even worse start for Baker Mayfield.
Especially after opening his big mouth about DJ.

[dukelifer]

Especially after opening his big mouth about DJ.

Exactly

[jimsumner]

Jones had some ball-security issues in the preseason and it definitely is something he needs to get fixed.

[Devilwin]

Jamison Crowder had 14 catches for 99 yards yesterday for the Jets in their loss to Buffalo.:cool:

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Jamison Crowder had 14 catches for 99 yards yesterday for the Jets in their loss to Buffalo.:cool:

BIIIIIG Jamison Crowder fan......so happy to see this.

[chrishoke]

Joe Giles Harris has moved up from the practice squad to the active roster of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Congrats to him.

[Bob Green]

Jamison Crowder has 4 receptions for 50 yards and a touchdown in the 1st quarter as Jets take a 7-0 lead over the Dolphins.

[jimsumner]

Jamison Crowder has 4 receptions for 50 yards and a touchdown in the 1st quarter as Jets take a 7-0 lead over the Dolphins.

Yes, but do the Jets really want to beat the Dolphins? :)

[Bob Green]

Yes, but do the Jets really want to beat the Dolphins? :)

Yeah, Probably not but I hope Crowder has a productive day whether they win or lose.

[Bob Green]

Jamison Crowder 1st half stat line: 8 receptions, 83 yards, 1 TD

[chrishoke]

Jamison Crowder 1st half stat line: 8 receptions, 83 yards, 1 TD

2nd half - 0 receptions, 0 targets. The Jets suck, lose to woeful Miami.

[jimsumner]

2nd half - 0 receptions, 0 targets. The Jets suck, lose to woeful Miami.

Why would they throw to him in the second half? That's not going to help them get Tua.

I'm about 50 percent flippant, 50 percent serious here. But there are a handful of truly bad teams this season.

[duke74]

Why would they throw to him in the second half? That's not going to help them get Tua.

I'm about 50 percent flippant, 50 percent serious here. But there are a handful of truly bad teams this season.

Not sure Tua is the answer for us assuming Sam pulls out of his recent funk...a pass rusher and OL though....

[jimsumner]

Not sure Tua is the answer for us assuming Sam pulls out of his recent funk...a pass rusher and OL though...

If you're as bad as Miami, New Jersey and Washington, you likely need Tua, a pass rusher, an offensive lineman and lots else.

[Acymetric]

I think whoever drafts Tua is going to be only slightly less disappointed than the Bears currently are.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

I think whoever drafts Tua is going to be only slightly less disappointed than the Bears currently are.

You might be right. Tua, like Mayfield and some others, has plenty of time to throw and a stable of NFL wideouts to throw to, and they were usually wide open. The NFL is not like that. Ironically, playing at Duke with a bad O line and mediocre receivers who got no separation...was great training for DJ.

[bundabergdevil]

Matt Skura is going to have his work cut out for him tonight against that Patriots defense.

[Reilly]

Ben Watson caught a TD for Duke in 1999 @ Virginia (OT win for Devils) ... catching passes in NFL tonight for Patriots ...

[bundabergdevil]

Ben Watson caught a TD for Duke in 1999 @ Virginia (OT win for Devils) ... catching passes in NFL tonight for Patriots ...

No kidding, thanks for sharing. I had no idea. You'd think I'd recall a member of the vaunted "airborne attack" but I see he quickly took flight on his own and transferred to UGA after his freshman season.

Pretty incredible that he's still playing...buuuuut, still younger than Brady.

[Bob Green]

New York Giants (Daniel Jones) at New York Jets (Jamison Crowder & Thomas Hennessy) on Fox at 1 pm.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

New York Giants (Daniel Jones) at New York Jets (Jamison Crowder & Thomas Hennessy) on Fox at 1 pm.

When was the last time two Duke players had the chance to make this kind of impact on an NFL game? Did Jurgenson's Skins ever play Mike Curtis' Colts?

[Bob Green]

Crowder with 4 receptions including a TD as the Jets quickly jump out to a 14-0 lead over the Giants.

[duke74]

Crowder starting well. Great move on a TD reception. DJ not so good. Fumble in first series (recovered by Saquon).

Jets dominating.

[Bob Green]

Jones with a TD pass to cut the deficit to 14-7. He had all day to throw the ball.

[duke74]

Crowder starting well. Great move on a TD reception. DJ not so good. Fumble in first series (recovered by Saquon).

Jets dominating.

Way better second drive for DJ. TD pass to Slayton. Looked strong in the pocket.

[Bob Green]

Jones with his second TD pass to cut the deficit to 14-13 (extra point failed due to bad snap/hold). Darius Slayton has become Jones’ go to receiver.

[chrishoke]

Jones w/ a fumble returned for a TD.

[Bob Green]

Jones sacked and stripped of the ball by Jamal Adams who runs for the TD. Jets 21, Giants 13. Adams blew up Barkley who attempted to block him.

[chrishoke]

DBR posters will love this. Jones throws a bubble screen behind the line for 61 yd td pass.

[Bob Green]

Daniel Jones throws TD pass #3 a screen to Golden Tate. Extra Point failed again. Jets 21, Giants 19.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Jones w/ a fumble returned for a TD.

With that, he's going to have to lead them to a win today......he will not be forgiven for losing to the Jets on a fumble regardless of how many TDs he throws. The NY media and fans are only impatient on one thing with DJ...the turnovers! And they are sick of that.

[Bob Green]

Daniel Jones with TD pass #4 followed by a throw for the 2 point conversion. Giants 27, Jets 21.

Crowder has been quiet since 1st quarter.

[chrishoke]

[QUOTE=Bob Green;
Crowder has been quiet since 1st quarter.[/QUOTE]

Cue the Jim Sumner snarky post. ;)

[Bob Green]

Crowder with a reception as the 3rd quarter ends. That is reception #5 by my count.

[duke74]

Nice article about Jamison in the N.Y. Post.

https://nypost.com/2019/11/14/jets-believe-reliable-jamison-crowders-worth-every-penny/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

[Bob Green]

Jamison Crowder with five receptions for 76 yards and a touchdown today as the Jets beat the Redskins 34-17.

[elvis14]

Jamison Crowder with five receptions for 76 yards and a touchdown today as the Jets beat the Redskins 34-17.

As a Redskins fan, I was not happy that we didn't resign Crowder. If we had a real GM (and owner) we'd have Kirk Cousins throwing TDs to Jamison Crowder!

[nmduke2001]

Laken Tomlinson is playing very well for San Francisco.

[budwom]

Laken Tomlinson is playing very well for San Francisco.

That's both great and a bit surprising. The Lions took him in the first round, and ultimately considered him something of a bust...but I think I read one of the Lions execs involved in drafting Laken went to SF and got him signed there. Good for him.

[arnie]

As a Redskins fan, I was not happy that we didn't resign Crowder. If we had a real GM (and owner) we'd have Kirk Cousins throwing TDs to Jamison Crowder!

As an ex-Deadskins fan I agree with you.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

As a Redskins fan, I was not happy that we didn't resign Crowder. If we had a real GM (and owner) we'd have Kirk Cousins throwing TDs to Jamison Crowder!

That's gotta hurt.....

[elvis14]

As an ex-Deadskins fan I agree with you.

I don't really do 'ex' fandom. HTTR for life. I'll hopefully out live Snyder's ownership.


That's gotta hurt...

Yeah, Cousins, Crowder and a few other losses sting. Really didn't see this bad of a season coming. I've liked what we have done in the draft for the most part of late and thought we were looking at 7-9 to 9-7 with a stretch goal of losing a playoff game. I couldn't have been more wrong. Previous 2 years injuries decimated our team. This year, we just suck.

At least I have Duke basketball to watch now...

[BD80]

Laken Tomlinson is playing very well for San Francisco.


That's both great and a bit surprising. The Lions took him in the first round, and ultimately considered him something of a bust...but I think I read one of the Lions execs involved in drafting Laken went to SF and got him signed there. Good for him.

The Lions F-ed up? Inconceivable!

So says Eric Ebron.

Other than Matt Stafford, it is hard to remember a first round draft pick that worked for the Lions except for Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson, generational talents that left the game early. fed up with playing for the Lions.

[Pghdukie]

Duke alum McCaffrey suspended 10 games. 2nd time he's been suspended. OUCH.

[Devil in the Blue Dress]

Laken Tomlinson is playing very well for San Francisco.
Laken has been nominated for the All Star game.

[Bob Green]

Perusing the box score this morning, I see Jamison Crowder had a big night against the Ravens: 6 receptions, 90 yards, 2 TD. His longest reception was 41 yards.

Ravens 42, Jets 21.

Lamar Jackson had a bigger night.

[JasonEvans]

Perusing the box score this morning, I see Jamison Crowder had a big night against the Ravens: 6 receptions, 90 yards, 2 TD. His longest reception was 41 yards.

Crowder had the strangest back-to-back plays you may ever see from a WR. He dropped a wide-open TD pass on one play and it was one of the worst drops you will ever see. There was no one anywhere close to him and the ball was just flipped, not drilled, to his hands. I'm telling you, this would have been an egregious drop in 10-year-old Pee Wee football.

On the very next play, Crowder made a fabulous TD grab where he was falling out of bounds with a defender draped all over him. Probably one of the best catches by anyone on the Jets all year.

Back-to-back plays... insane.

You can see video of both plays here: https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/jamison-crowder-drops-touchdown-makes-great-touchdown-catch-on-consecutive-plays-01dvyfxjt6py

[Indoor66]

Crowder had the strangest back-to-back plays you may ever see from a WR. He dropped a wide-open TD pass on one play and it was one of the worst drops you will ever see. There was no one anywhere close to him and the ball was just flipped, not drilled, to his hands. I'm telling you, this would have been an egregious drop in 10-year-old Pee Wee football.

On the very next play, Crowder made a fabulous TD grab where he was falling out of bounds with a defender draped all over him. Probably one of the best catches by anyone on the Jets all year.

Back-to-back plays... insane.

You can see video of both plays here: https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/jamison-crowder-drops-touchdown-makes-great-touchdown-catch-on-consecutive-plays-01dvyfxjt6py

It is just amazing when humanity strikes.

[jv001]

Crowder had the strangest back-to-back plays you may ever see from a WR. He dropped a wide-open TD pass on one play and it was one of the worst drops you will ever see. There was no one anywhere close to him and the ball was just flipped, not drilled, to his hands. I'm telling you, this would have been an egregious drop in 10-year-old Pee Wee football.

On the very next play, Crowder made a fabulous TD grab where he was falling out of bounds with a defender draped all over him. Probably one of the best catches by anyone on the Jets all year.

Back-to-back plays... insane.

You can see video of both plays here: https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/jamison-crowder-drops-touchdown-makes-great-touchdown-catch-on-consecutive-plays-01dvyfxjt6py

I saw both plays and it the 2nd catch was as great as the first one was bad. It looked like he took his eyes off the ball to see how close he was to the sideline. GoDuke!

[JasonEvans]

Back-to-back plays... insane.

After the drop, I guarantee you that Crowder went into the huddle and told Darnold, "Throw it to me again. I don't care how covered I am. I am catching it."

[HereBeforeCoachK]

After the drop, I guarantee you that Crowder went into the huddle and told Darnold, "Throw it to me again. I don't care how covered I am. I am catching it."

Quite possible, because he wasn't close to being open on the TD play.

[Bob Green]

Jamison Crowder with 3 catches for 40 yards so far today. Jets are up on the Steelers 13 - 10 in the 3rd quarter.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Jamison Crowder with 3 catches for 40 yards so far today. Jets are up on the Steelers 13 - 10 in the 3rd quarter.

Jamison ended with 4 for 60, no touchdowns, but leading yardage receiver for the Jets by far. Nice day for Dukies in the NFL....

[Bob Green]

Jamison Crowder off to a nice start with four receptions for 35 yards already. :cool:

[Bob Green]

Crowder with 8 receptions for 66 yards and Touchdown. Jets up on Bills 10-3 early in 4th quarter.

[duke74]

For the season, Jamison was 78/833/6.

Decent season for a mediocre team.

[uh_no]

not duke related, but how nice of the dolphins to knock off the patriots!

:)

I may or may not be a dolphins fan, but sure as heck am not a patriots fan!

[pfrduke]

Laken Tomlinson is on the NFC #1 seed (and part of an offensive line anchoring one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL).

[budwom]

Laken Tomlinson is on the NFC #1 seed (and part of an offensive line anchoring one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL).

yup, he wasn't good enough for the dismal Lions....fortunately a guy partly responsible drafting him went to the 49ers where there is more competence.

[budwom]

Lucas Patrick gets an extension from Green Bay...savvy Duke fans will note the name Gutekunst in the following article...

https://www.packers.com/news/packers-sign-g-lucas-patrick-to-contract-extension

[jv001]

Lucas Patrick gets an extension from Green Bay...savvy Duke fans will note the name Gutekunst in the following article...

https://www.packers.com/news/packers-sign-g-lucas-patrick-to-contract-extension

I remember John Gutekunst as a DB for Duke football. Well, I think I do. :cool:GoDuke!

[szstark]

I remember John Gutekunst as a DB for Duke football. Well, I think I do. :cool:GoDuke!
I think John was also the punt returner, right?

[budwom]

Papa Gutekunst was an assistant coach at Duke for about a decade in the sixties and seventies, then became head coach at Minnesota...evidently he's now a defensive analyst at ECU...

[jv001]

Papa Gutekunst was an assistant coach at Duke for about a decade in the sixties and seventies, then became head coach at Minnesota...evidently he's now a defensive analyst at ECU...

Papa was John if I'm not mistaken. Wonder if he could coach a Women college basketball team? :cool:

GoDuke!

[BD80]

Papa was John if I'm not mistaken. Wonder if he could coach a Women college basketball team? :cool: ...

Bet he could make a pizza ...

[loran16]

Feel like this thread should be updated since Laken is in the Super Bowl after another dominant performance by the SF Offensive Line.

[budwom]

Feel like this thread should be updated since Laken is in the Super Bowl after another dominant performance by the SF Offensive Line.

He wasn't good enough for the dismal Detroit Lions who drafted him, started him, then demoted him, but somehow he is good enough to start for a Niners team with a dominant OL....this is why some teams perpetually stink, seriously...

[BD80]

He wasn't good enough for the dismal Detroit Lions who drafted him, started him, then demoted him, but somehow he is good enough to start for a Niners team with a dominant OL...this is why some teams perpetually stink, seriously...

At least the Detroit Tigers drafted a QB that started in the Super Bowl (Mahomes), more than the Lions have drafted.

[budwom]

At least the Detroit Tigers drafted a QB that started in the Super Bowl (Mahomes), more than the Lions have drafted.

yes, as a Tigers fan, I can agree that the Tigers focus their haplessness on baseball.