Duke seventh in Director's Cup

[jimsumner]

Portions of press release.

"Duke Athletics currently ranks seventh in the latest Learfield IMG Directors' Cup Standings, released Thursday by the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics.

Duke has secured 580.00 total points and is one of eight ACC schools ranked among the top 25 nationally, joined by Virginia (5th), Notre Dame (10th), N.C. State (14th), Florida State (15th), North Carolina (19th), Virginia Tech (23rd) and Louisville (24th). Stanford leads the overall rankings with 1,003.25 points.

To date, Duke has earned points in men’s basketball (73), women’s cross country (28), fencing (66), field hockey (70), football (45), men’s soccer (64), women’s soccer (64), women’s swimming & diving (51), men’s swimming & diving (44), volleyball (25) and wrestling (50)."

With lacrosse, golf and tennis points still to be allocated, Duke should be able to hold its own through the spring. If Duke can get anything from baseball and/or track and field, this could be a really good year.

Still, a national championship would be nice. In anything.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Portions of press release.

"Duke Athletics currently ranks seventh in the latest Learfield IMG Directors' Cup Standings, released Thursday by the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics.

Duke has secured 580.00 total points and is one of eight ACC schools ranked among the top 25 nationally, joined by Virginia (5th), Notre Dame (10th), N.C. State (14th), Florida State (15th), North Carolina (19th), Virginia Tech (23rd) and Louisville (24th). Stanford leads the overall rankings with 1,003.25 points.

To date, Duke has earned points in men’s basketball (73), women’s cross country (28), fencing (66), field hockey (70), football (45), men’s soccer (64), women’s soccer (64), women’s swimming & diving (51), men’s swimming & diving (44), volleyball (25) and wrestling (50)."

With lacrosse, golf and tennis points still to be allocated, Duke should be able to hold its own through the spring. If Duke can get anything from baseball and/or track and field, this could be a really good year.

Still, a national championship would be nice. In anything.

Thanks for the great update. Here is the link to the current standings:

https://nacda.com/documents/2019/4/9//April11DIOverall.pdf?id=3574

Other sports still to come that aren't on Duke's radar but could impact the standings of other schools are men's hockey, men's and women's gymnastics, women's water polo, men's volleyball.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Thanks for the great update. Here is the link to the current standings:

https://nacda.com/documents/2019/4/9//April11DIOverall.pdf?id=3574

Other sports still to come that aren't on Duke's radar but could impact the standings of other schools are men's hockey, men's and women's gymnastics, women's water polo, men's volleyball.

Well, any metric where fencing and football are equally weighted..........

[Skydog]

Well, any metric where fencing and football are equally weighted......

I know, right?? The disrespect for fencing - literally a life and death skill - is appalling.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

I know, right?? The disrespect for fencing - literally a life and death skill - is appalling.

That's not the point and you know it. How many fencing matches do you attend a season? How many do you watch on TV? Are you saying that a fencing team's impact on a college athletic program is equal to that of football? There are a lot of fantastic skills (wrestling comes to mind) that simply do not move the needle on how a fan base views their team.

[ratamero]

This is a discussion that comes up literally every year. Please stop. The point of a ranking that values every sport equally is, well, to have a ranking that values every sport equally. I invite the noble colleague to develop their own ranking system with their personal view of what relative weights different sports should have.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

That's not the point and you know it. How many fencing matches do you attend a season? How many do you watch on TV? Are you saying that a fencing team's impact on a college athletic program is equal to that of football? There are a lot of fantastic skills (wrestling comes to mind) that simply do not move the needle on how a fan base views their team.

Yeah, this is a ranking system that basically exists to level the playing field back to non-revenue sports. That is its purpose. If you don't like it, simply don't pay attention to it.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

This is a discussion that comes up literally every year. Please stop.

A: a discussion that comes up every year. Hmmm....one would almost think it's tailor made for a forum.
B: You self ironied......

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

A: a discussion that comes up every year. Hmmm...one would almost think it's tailor made for a forum.
B: You self ironied...

You should head to the off topic board and comment on the summer box office thread to mention how ticket sales doesn't reflect the quality of a movie.

[killerleft]

Stanford has agents everywhere. They control us.

[MCFinARL]

Still, a national championship would be nice. In anything.


Stanford has agents everywhere. They control us.

Yes--Stanford has the Director's Cup in a death grip so strong that I don't think anyone will ever wrest it from them, alas.

[fan345678]

Yes--Stanford has the Director's Cup in a death grip so strong that I don't think anyone will ever wrest it from them, alas.

In his "History and Issues in Sports" class, I recall Coach Al Buehler saying that every athletic scholarship at Stanford is endowed. That provides a lot of freedom to offer as many sports as possible, recruit for them, and comply with Title IX.

[Skydog]

That's not the point and you know it. How many fencing matches do you attend a season? How many do you watch on TV? Are you saying that a fencing team's impact on a college athletic program is equal to that of football? There are a lot of fantastic skills (wrestling comes to mind) that simply do not move the needle on how a fan base views their team.
Methinks your tongue-in-cheek detector may need new batteries.

[MCFinARL]

So earlier in the spring, Duke had dropped to 12th in the standings, but now are back in 7th place (http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211804952&DB_OEM_ID=4200)after getting a lot of points for men's and women's golf, men's lacrosse, women's tennis, and women's rowing.

The only sports left to score are softball (no points for Duke, alas), baseball (a minimum of 64 points out of 100 for making the super regional), and men's and women's track and field (likely a very small number of points for qualifying women's track and field athletes to participate). So it will be tough, if not impossible, to hold 7th place--Ohio State is only one point behind, with Florida, UNC, and UCLA a bit farther back in 8th-11th place. All those teams will get some softball points (with UCLA collecting 100 for the championship) and all but UNC will get baseball points, though only UCLA is in a position to get more than Duke.Most likely will get more points in both men's and women's track and field as well.

With a little luck, though, Duke will stay in the top ten in the final rankings, and it's very likely Duke will stay ahead of UNC.

[DukieInKansas]

So earlier in the spring, Duke had dropped to 12th in the standings, but now are back in 7th place (http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211804952&DB_OEM_ID=4200)after getting a lot of points for men's and women's golf, men's lacrosse, women's tennis, and women's rowing.

The only sports left to score are softball (no points for Duke, alas), baseball (a minimum of 64 points out of 100 for making the super regional), and men's and women's track and field (likely a very small number of points for qualifying women's track and field athletes to participate). So it will be tough, if not impossible, to hold 7th place--Ohio State is only one point behind, with Florida, UNC, and UCLA a bit farther back in 8th-11th place. All those teams will get some softball points (with UCLA collecting 100 for the championship) and all but UNC will get baseball points, though only UCLA is in a position to get more than Duke.Most likely will get more points in both men's and women's track and field as well.

With a little luck, though, Duke will stay in the top ten in the final rankings, and it's very likely Duke will stay ahead of UNC.

Not that I don't like UNC not getting baseball points but I'm wondering why they wouldn't. They are in the super regionals so shouldn't they get some points?

[Faustus]

Yes--Stanford has the Director's Cup in a death grip so strong that I don't think anyone will ever wrest it from them, alas.

If you watched the wonderful and now long defunct NBC series "Chuck", you'd know that Stanford really DOES have agents everywhere. ;)

Actually, I think Stanford is so loaded that they supposedly are the only school that has full funding for every possible athletic scholarship, so they better do well in all these sports just to get their investments' worth.

[Faustus]

[QUOTE=Faustus;1167921]If you watched the wonderful and now long defunct NBC series "Chuck", you'd know that Stanford really DOES have agents everywhere. ;)

[Faustus]

Woops - I see the Stanford info is already mentioned above. Guess I never got that superior Stanford education...

[OZZIE4DUKE]

A: a discussion that comes up every year. Hmmm...one would almost think it's tailor made for a forum...
Back in the day, this would have qualified for a spot on an updated Handy Pocket Reference. Not 9F, but a spot!:cool:

[Tom B.]

Not that I don't like UNC not getting baseball points but I'm wondering why they wouldn't. They are in the super regionals so shouldn't they get some points?

UNC is currently 120 points behind Duke in the Director's Cup standings. Assuming Auburn's current, ahem....10-run lead over UNC in Game 3 of their Super Regional holds up (they're now in the bottom of the 6th), UNC won't net any Director's Cup points against Duke for baseball. They'll get some points (not sure how many) for making the Regional round in softball. And I assume they'll pick up a handful of points in track & field. Not sure it'll be enough to catch Duke, though -- seems like a tall order to make up a 120-point deficit at this point.

So it's possible that UCLA, Florida, and Ohio State hurdle Duke, but Duke hangs on to the #10 spot ahead of UNC.

[budwom]

If you watched the wonderful and now long defunct NBC series "Chuck", you'd know that Stanford really DOES have agents everywhere. ;)

Actually, I think Stanford is so loaded that they supposedly are the only school that has full funding for every possible athletic scholarship, so they better do well in all these sports just to get their investments' worth.

yeah, they've fully endowed all their sports scholarships, have a top notch school and great weather, so they'll be tough to dislodge. Maybe they'll lose bass fishing to Clemson or someone.

[pfrduke]

UNC is currently 120 points behind Duke in the Director's Cup standings. Assuming Auburn's current, ahem...10-run lead over UNC in Game 3 of their Super Regional holds up (they're now in the bottom of the 6th), UNC won't net any Director's Cup points against Duke for baseball. They'll get some points (not sure how many) for making the Regional round in softball. And I assume they'll pick up a handful of points in track & field. Not sure it'll be enough to catch Duke, though -- seems like a tall order to make up a 120-point deficit at this point.

So it's possible that UCLA, Florida, and Ohio State hurdle Duke, but Duke hangs on to the #10 spot ahead of UNC.

It was also helpful that Michigan kept UCLA from getting CWS points.

[roywhite]

UNC is currently 120 points behind Duke in the Director's Cup standings. Assuming Auburn's current, ahem...10-run lead over UNC in Game 3 of their Super Regional holds up (they're now in the bottom of the 6th), UNC won't net any Director's Cup points against Duke for baseball. They'll get some points (not sure how many) for making the Regional round in softball. And I assume they'll pick up a handful of points in track & field. Not sure it'll be enough to catch Duke, though -- seems like a tall order to make up a 120-point deficit at this point.

So it's possible that UCLA, Florida, and Ohio State hurdle Duke, but Duke hangs on to the #10 spot ahead of UNC.

The track and field national champioships concluded this past weekend:
On the women's side, UNC tied for 17th and Duke did not score (don't know how many points that means for UNC)
On the men's side, neither UNC nor Duke scored.
Shouldn't be much impact.

[Tom B.]

The track and field national champioships concluded this past weekend:
On the women's side, UNC tied for 17th and Duke did not score (don't know how many points that means for UNC)
On the men's side, neither UNC nor Duke scored.
Shouldn't be much impact.

Do you get any Directors Cup points just from having athletes qualify for the NCAA T&F Championships, even if they don't score? Duke did send some athletes to the championships (all women, I believe -- I don't think any of the Duke men qualified), though none of them earned points.

Either way, I agree -- I don't think T&F will affect the relative standings of Duke and UNC much one way or the other.

And Auburn downs UNC in baseball 14-7. So Duke and UNC should get the same number of Directors Cup points for baseball.

[Tom B.]

Duke slips down to 12th in the latest standings, which incorporate points for softball and track & field. Duke got zero points for those sports. Florida, UCLA, Florida State, Ohio State, and Kentucky all jumped ahead of Duke.

The latest standings don't incorporate baseball, for which Duke should earn some decent points. Duke will probably jump back over Kentucky and maybe Penn State, neither of which made the NCAA baseball tournament. We also might jump over Ohio State, which made the NCAA baseball tournament but was eliminated in the regional round.

I don't think any of the teams that made the CWS will jump over Duke. Florida State and Michigan are ahead of Duke and will stay there. The rest -- Arkansas, Texas Tech, Auburn, Mississippi State, Louisville, and Vanderbilt -- are probably too far behind to catch Duke.

The best news -- UNC won't catch Duke. UNC got a total of 106 points for softball and track & field, but needed 120 to catch Duke. UNC and Duke should get the same number of points for baseball, as both made it to (and lost in) the super regional round, so their positions relative to each other should be locked in.

Duke is probably looking at a 9th or 10th place finish, and we'll be third among ACC programs, after Virginia and Florida State.

Link to the current standings: https://s3.amazonaws.com/nacda.com/documents/2019/6/11/June12OverallDi.pdf

[MCFinARL]

Do you get any Directors Cup points just from having athletes qualify for the NCAA T&F Championships, even if they don't score? Duke did send some athletes to the championships (all women, I believe -- I don't think any of the Duke men qualified), though none of them earned points.



Apparently not, as Duke was awarded no points for having qualified women who did not score. Erin Marsh, the heptathlete, finished 9th--had she finished 8th I think Duke would have gotten the minimum 5 points.


Duke slips down to 12th in the latest standings, which incorporate points for softball and track & field. Duke got zero points for those sports. Florida, UCLA, Florida State, Ohio State, and Kentucky all jumped ahead of Duke.

The latest standings don't incorporate baseball, for which Duke should earn some decent points. Duke will probably jump back over Kentucky and maybe Penn State, neither of which made the NCAA baseball tournament. We also might jump over Ohio State, which made the NCAA baseball tournament but was eliminated in the regional round.

I don't think any of the teams that made the CWS will jump over Duke. Florida State and Michigan are ahead of Duke and will stay there. The rest -- Arkansas, Texas Tech, Auburn, Mississippi State, Louisville, and Vanderbilt -- are probably too far behind to catch Duke.

The best news -- UNC won't catch Duke. UNC got a total of 106 points for softball and track & field, but needed 120 to catch Duke. UNC and Duke should get the same number of points for baseball, as both made it to (and lost in) the super regional round, so their positions relative to each other should be locked in.

Duke is probably looking at a 9th or 10th place finish, and we'll be third among ACC programs, after Virginia and Florida State.

Link to the current standings: https://s3.amazonaws.com/nacda.com/documents/2019/6/11/June12OverallDi.pdf

I actually figured out all of the baseball points (apparently I have absolutely nothing to do), and Duke should finish 9th--still ahead of UNC, as you note. Having made the super regional, Duke will earn 64 points--easily enough to pass Kentucky, and enough to pass Penn State, which is now 26.5 points ahead. It's also enough to pass Ohio State, which is eleven and a half points ahead but will earn only 37.5 points for winning one game at its regional.

[Tom B.]

I actually figured out all of the baseball points (apparently I have absolutely nothing to do), and Duke should finish 9th--still ahead of UNC, as you note. Having made the super regional, Duke will earn 64 points--easily enough to pass Kentucky, and enough to pass Penn State, which is now 26.5 points ahead. It's also enough to pass Ohio State, which is eleven and a half points ahead but will earn only 37.5 points for winning one game at its regional.

Looks like UNC will also pass Kentucky, Penn State, and Ohio State, and will finish 10th. If my math is correct, based on the numbers you provided, UNC will edge out Ohio State for the 10th spot by one point -- 987 to 986.

[MCFinARL]

Looks like UNC will also pass Kentucky, Penn State, and Ohio State, and will finish 10th. If my math is correct, based on the numbers you provided, UNC will edge out Ohio State for the 10th spot by one point -- 987 to 986.

Too bad, but I am okay with it (on some sort of general pro-ACC principle) as long as UNC stays behind Duke.