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GoDuke2015
03-25-2019, 10:36 AM
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That last two Duke NCAA tourney wins that remind me of yesterday were R64 in 2008 (Gerald Henderson Coast to Coast) and R32 in 2011 (against Michigan). Duke unfortunately lost the following games both those years. Anyone else remember others in recent memory? I think this team has the resolve and ability to win it all but wanted to get thoughts on trends.

GoDuke!

duke2x
03-25-2019, 10:42 AM
Duke won 2 games after beating KY 104-103 in 1992.
Duke beat Arkansas in 1990 after beating CT in 1990.

This group has been both lucky and good all year. FSU, Louisville, Wake had last second outcomes. I count 4-1 in those games this year.

CDu
03-25-2019, 10:45 AM
Please move this discussion elsewhere if warranted.

That last two Duke NCAA tourney wins that remind me of yesterday were R64 in 2008 (Gerald Henderson Coast to Coast) and R32 in 2011 (against Michigan). Duke unfortunately lost the following games both those years. Anyone else remember others in recent memory? I think this team has the resolve and ability to win it all but wanted to get thoughts on trends.

GoDuke!

Well, I'm not sure that a game 11 years ago and a game 8 years ago (each with basically entirely different rosters as well) is much to build a trend on. I would venture that it would be more relevant to look at our performances the games after nail-biting wins this year. That would seem more relevant as it pertains to this team.

We had a nail-biter against UNC in the ACC semis. The next game we beat a top-10 caliber FSU team handily. We had a nail-biter against Wake. The next game we lost by 9 at UNC (without Zion and with Bolden getting hurt). We had a nail-biter against Louisville, and came out the next time and steamrolled State. We had a nail-biter win at FSU earlier this year. The next game we lost to Syracuse in OT without Jones and Reddish.

So, I'd say we don't really have a trend here, other than that multiple times we've had to play without 2 starters in the next game. But in our most recent nail-biter, we turned around and spanked a really good team the next time out.

OldPhiKap
03-25-2019, 11:19 AM
2011 was when we tried to reintegrate Kyrie after he missed the entire ACC schedule IIRC. That was a very different situation.

GoDuke2015
03-25-2019, 11:25 AM
2011 was when we tried to reintegrate Kyrie after he missed the entire ACC schedule IIRC. That was a very different situation.

Fair enough, all good points. GoDuke!

Wander
03-25-2019, 11:25 AM
In addition to the above comments, look at other teams too. Auburn was very lucky to squeak by their 12 seed and then dominated Kansas, for example. We'll be OK!

AGDukesky
03-25-2019, 12:33 PM
After barely squeaking by Butler in the 2010 championship game, Duke beat Princeton 97-60 in the ‘10-11 season opener😛

Honestly, I had similar thoughts about generally losing after close games against much lower seeds.

UrinalCake
03-25-2019, 02:44 PM
Nobody has mentioned this crazy close win, which we followed up pretty well.

9224

UrinalCake
03-25-2019, 02:46 PM
Relying on memory here but in 2017 the CHeats barely escaped a second round game against Arkansas after Joel Berry took six steps and committed a charge, no call was made and the ball bounced right into Kennedy Meeks' hands for a dunk. They went on to win it all. I honestly don't think there's much carryover from one game to the next in the tournament. Last year we looked like a machine in the opening weekend, thoroughly dispatching our first two opponents like we were playing a bunch of middle schoolers. Then the next weekend we struggled to beat Syracuse and of course lost to Kansas.

uh_no
03-25-2019, 02:52 PM
Relying on memory here but in 2017 the CHeats barely escaped a second round game against Arkansas after Joel Berry took six steps and committed a charge, no call was made and the ball bounced right into Kennedy Meeks' hands for a dunk. They went on to win it all. I honestly don't think there's much carryover from one game to the next in the tournament. Last year we looked like a machine in the opening weekend, thoroughly dispatching our first two opponents like we were playing a bunch of middle schoolers. Then the next weekend we struggled to beat Syracuse and of course lost to Kansas.

nappier and uconn went to OT against St Joseph, then won 5 more.

AGDukesky
03-25-2019, 02:55 PM
Nobody has mentioned this crazy close win, which we followed up pretty well.

9224

You might want to reread the second post in this thread again

Billy Dat
03-25-2019, 03:04 PM
Please move this discussion elsewhere if warranted.

That last two Duke NCAA tourney wins that remind me of yesterday were R64 in 2008 (Gerald Henderson Coast to Coast) and R32 in 2011 (against Michigan). Duke unfortunately lost the following games both those years. Anyone else remember others in recent memory? I think this team has the resolve and ability to win it all but wanted to get thoughts on trends.

GoDuke!

I, too, have bad vibes whenever we fail to win convincingly on the first weekend. The two games you mention come to mind as do:

2015-16, we blow a huge second round lead to Yale, escape, and then lose to Oregon in the Sweet 16
2008-09 we scrape by against Texas and get drilled by Nova in the Sweet 16

My pessimism gets the better of me when we don't roll through the first weekend with a highly ranked team, but I am sure I am just being superstitious.

Tripping William
03-25-2019, 03:20 PM
I, too, have bad vibes whenever we fail to win convincingly on the first weekend. The two games you mention come to mind as do:

2015-16, we blow a huge second round lead to Yale, escape, and then lose to Oregon in the Sweet 16
2008-09 we scrape by against Texas and get drilled by Nova in the Sweet 16

My pessimism gets the better of me when we don't roll through the first weekend with a highly ranked team, but I am sure I am just being superstitious.

Mississippi Valley St. (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-03-14-8601190304-story.html), anyone?

jimsumner
03-25-2019, 03:27 PM
Duke won 2 games after beating KY 104-103 in 1992.
Duke beat Arkansas in 1990 after beating CT in 1990.

This group has been both lucky and good all year. FSU, Louisville, Wake had last second outcomes. I count 4-1 in those games this year.

I believe the UNC game in the ACCT was fairly tight at the finish.

Natty_B
03-25-2019, 04:47 PM
I, too, have bad vibes whenever we fail to win convincingly on the first weekend. The two games you mention come to mind as do:

2015-16, we blow a huge second round lead to Yale, escape, and then lose to Oregon in the Sweet 16
2008-09 we scrape by against Texas and get drilled by Nova in the Sweet 16

My pessimism gets the better of me when we don't roll through the first weekend with a highly ranked team, but I am sure I am just being superstitious.

2000 is another example. Close round of 32 game vs Kansas and lose the next game against Florida. On the flip side the 2010 and 2015 title teams romped in round 2. Probably nothing though.

HereBeforeCoachK
03-25-2019, 04:50 PM
In addition to the above comments, look at other teams too. Auburn was very lucky to squeak by their 12 seed and then dominated Kansas, for example. We'll be OK!

Arkansas - I think in 1995 - should have lost both the first and second round games....I don't mean could've lost, I mean they seemed just as beaten as Duke did yesterday at 74-70 with UCF on the break. They won both. They got it together, made it all the way to the title game, where they lost to the last great UCLA team.

(at least I think it was 95. If it was 94, then they won the Title over Tony Lang's manicured hand......)

OldPhiKap
03-25-2019, 05:05 PM
Mississippi Valley St. (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1986-03-14-8601190304-story.html), anyone?

Still too soon. But that was my first thought.

Natty_B
03-25-2019, 05:10 PM
2000 is another example. Close round of 32 game vs Kansas and lose the next game against Florida. On the flip side the 2010 and 2015 title teams romped in round 2. Probably nothing though.

Missippi State in 2005 is another close round of 32 game that preceded a loss. Course in 2006 Duke won fairly easily over GW and still lost in the round of 16.

Kedsy
03-25-2019, 05:19 PM
Arkansas - I think in 1995 - should have lost both the first and second round games...I don't mean could've lost, I mean they seemed just as beaten as Duke did yesterday at 74-70 with UCF on the break. They won both. They got it together, made it all the way to the title game, where they lost to the last great UCLA team.

(at least I think it was 95. If it was 94, then they won the Title over Tony Lang's manicured hand...)

Yeah, and in 2017, UNC was losing its second-round game to Arkansas with less than 2 minutes to play, was tied with Kentucky in the Regional Final with 10 seconds play, and won by one point over Oregon in the Final Four. Sadly, things still worked out for them in the end.

subzero02
03-25-2019, 05:44 PM
Yeah, and in 2017, UNC was losing its second-round game to Arkansas with less than 2 minutes to play, was tied with Kentucky in the Regional Final with 10 seconds play, and won by one point over Oregon in the Final Four. Sadly, things still worked out for them in the end.

Oregon gave that game away.

robed deity
03-25-2019, 06:28 PM
Was it Notre Dame in 2002 also? Tough second round game, then the Indiana loss. Close early round games haven't been a great sign, but I'm trying to convince myself this year is different somehow.

Natty_B
03-25-2019, 06:41 PM
Was it Notre Dame in 2002 also? Tough second round game, then the Indiana loss. Close early round games haven't been a great sign, but I'm trying to convince myself this year is different somehow.

Yeah although Missouri hung around with Duke in 2001 in the round of 32. So maybe the UCF game falls into another subset: Closer than expected games against former K assistant coaches in the second round.

GoDuke2015
03-25-2019, 06:44 PM
Yeah although Missouri hung around with Duke in 2001 in the round of 32. So maybe the UCF game falls into another subset: Closer than expected games against former K assistant coaches in the second round.

I like the way you think! GoDuke!

robed deity
03-25-2019, 07:34 PM
Yeah although Missouri hung around with Duke in 2001 in the round of 32. So maybe the UCF game falls into another subset: Closer than expected games against former K assistant coaches in the second round.

Brey was at Notre Dame at that time. But yeah, good point about Missouri. Let's go with the "former player subset."

jmck214
03-25-2019, 08:12 PM
Arkansas - I think in 1995 - should have lost both the first and second round games...I don't mean could've lost, I mean they seemed just as beaten as Duke did yesterday at 74-70 with UCF on the break. They won both. They got it together, made it all the way to the title game, where they lost to the last great UCLA team.

(at least I think it was 95. If it was 94, then they won the Title over Tony Lang's manicured hand...)

Staying with 1995, UCLA had a huge scare down 1 in the round of 32 when Tyus Edny drove the length of the floor for the win and they went on to win the whole thing after that

HereBeforeCoachK
03-25-2019, 08:26 PM
Staying with 1995, UCLA had a huge scare down 1 in the round of 32 when Tyus Edny drove the length of the floor for the win and they went on to win the whole thing after that

I had forgotten about that.....I think Lute Olsen's natty team was the one that was dead to rights versus College of Charleston in round one....only to win it all.

Kedsy
03-26-2019, 10:23 AM
I had forgotten about that...I think Lute Olsen's natty team was the one that was dead to rights versus College of Charleston in round one...only to win it all.

That was actually round two. Arizona went that entire tournament without winning a game by more than 8 points.

bullettoothtony
03-26-2019, 04:16 PM
Since 1991, we've never made the Final Four after winning our second round game by single digits.

Since 1997, in games following a first or second round win by single digits, we're 2-8.

DevilYouKnow
03-26-2019, 04:26 PM
Blue Devils 1907 squad barely defeated Littleton HS 62 to 1, then squeaked by Trinity Park 38 to 6

devildeac
03-26-2019, 04:31 PM
Blue Devils 1907 squad barely defeated Littleton HS 62 to 1, then squeaked by Trinity Park 38 to 6

Small sample size. Recency bias.

:rolleyes:;)

TruBlu
03-26-2019, 05:05 PM
Blue Devils 1907 squad barely defeated Littleton HS 62 to 1, then squeaked by Trinity Park 38 to 6

Yep. I remember those games. My dad hitched up the mule to the wagon, and took me along. Billy Packer claimed that Duke was getting all the calls.