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-jk
03-20-2019, 07:49 PM
Let's Go Duke!

(and Sorry, Central. I was pulling for y'all!)

-jk

Acymetric
03-20-2019, 07:56 PM
Let's Go Duke!

(and Sorry, Central. I was pulling for y'all!)

-jk

Same here, I would have enjoyed the Durham matchup. Two more days is too long!

OldPhiKap
03-20-2019, 08:39 PM
Game on. Go Devils!

gofurman
03-20-2019, 08:59 PM
Looking for a scout report... CDU?

CDu
03-20-2019, 09:01 PM
Looking for a scout report... CDU?

Coming tomorrow AM.

Dukehky
03-20-2019, 09:03 PM
Central got treated like TC Williams in Remember the Titans by the stripes.

Real bummer.

kako
03-20-2019, 09:18 PM
I noticed that they don't have any seniors on their roster, though a lot of juniors. Don't know if they are transfers. Hopefully no Mercer repeat.

One guy who plays is 6-10, but guards outrebound him. They have a 7 footer, but looks like he's a redshirt.

On the other hand, they shoot the 3 well. One guy hits 46%, others hit in the high 30s and into the 40s. Duke can't let them get hot, so I imagine the staff is telling them to focus on perimeter D. Fortunately, Duke has been pretty good at that this season.

Looking forward to the game.

9F

gofurman
03-20-2019, 09:54 PM
Im no CDu - but a few points

Ward is the 6'6" wing that scores 12 a game .. gets 6 rebounds a game

Shahid is the 6'0 g that scores 12 a game

Those are the two main point scorers... also

Geu is a skinny 6'8 forward who puts up 9 a game / gets 5 rebounds in limited minutes

they have 7 guys at 33 to 46 pct on threes for the year.. ehh - all 7 of them play 15 min or more. Samuelson is 6'3 and takes a bunch and makes 46% of his threes. slight worrisome is how many guys shoot the three well. one or two you can defend. 5+ is hard to figure

10/11 players play 10 min or more from game to game. no one averages 30 min. deep team

BigZ
03-20-2019, 10:46 PM
No Size. Zion might drop 45

Kedsy
03-20-2019, 11:06 PM
I noticed that they don't have any seniors on their roster, though a lot of juniors. Don't know if they are transfers. Hopefully no Mercer repeat.

Pomeroy rated Mercer #87 in 2014. He rates North Dakota State as #202. Big difference.


slight worrisome is how many guys shoot the three well. one or two you can defend. 5+ is hard to figure

Offense is definitely ND State's best feature. But let's not make them into the Warriors or anything. They're the #117 offense in the country (according to Pomeroy; Torvik ranks them #115). Compared to Duke opponents, their offense is between BC and Pitt. They do shoot well from three, tied for #67 in the country. But this is a team that during the regular season went 15-15 against the country's #236 schedule. And even if somehow we don't guard them well, their defense is terrible. KenPom ranks their D #294 (Torvik goes with #286). They're #247 in 2-point D, #298 in 3-point D, and #347 in turning the other team over. Their overall KenPom rank is worse than Eastern Michigan (a team we beat by 38), worse than Hartford (which we beat by 30 despite their being the #28 three-point shooting team in the country, much better than ND State), worse than Princeton (which we beat by 51), worse than every team on Duke's schedule except Stetson and Army. They're not good.

Neals384
03-20-2019, 11:13 PM
Im no CDu - but a few points

Ward is the 6'6" wing that scores 12 a game .. gets 6 rebounds a game

Shahid is the 6'0 g that scores 12 a game

Those are the two main point scorers... also

Geu is a skinny 6'8 forward who puts up 9 a game / gets 5 rebounds in limited minutes

they have 7 guys at 33 to 46 pct on threes for the year.. ehh - all 7 of them play 15 min or more. Samuelson is 6'3 and takes a bunch and makes 46% of his threes. slight worrisome is how many guys shoot the three well. one or two you can defend. 5+ is hard to figure

10/11 players play 10 min or more from game to game. no one averages 30 min. deep team

Rocky Kreuser is a 6' 10" forward who averages 21 minutes, 9 points, 4 boards and 1 block. He may have a name that sounds like 4 wheel offroading, but Zion rocks!

Reilly
03-20-2019, 11:24 PM
47% of their field goal attempts are 3-pointers: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/north-dakota-state/2019.html

38% of our field goal attempts are 3-pointers: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/duke/2019.html

gofurman
03-20-2019, 11:54 PM
Yes, they are far better on O (120th or so) than on D (270 or so). Maybe some Goldwire on a three point shooter? that said they are 3points lower than WFU (KenPom) who scared the junk out of us at home

BandAlum83
03-21-2019, 12:13 AM
It feels like Christmas Eve.

The action begins in 11 hours and I am almost too excited to go to sleep!

16 games tomorrow, another 16 Friday!

Upsets, Cinderellas, buzzer beaters, buzzer roll-offs, half court shots, over time games, great story lines, whose shining moment comes first, and whose is it on a Monday night in April.

Enjoy all!

dukelifer
03-21-2019, 05:16 AM
Pomeroy rated Mercer #87 in 2014. He rates North Dakota State as #202. Big difference.



Offense is definitely ND State's best feature. But let's not make them into the Warriors or anything. They're the #117 offense in the country (according to Pomeroy; Torvik ranks them #115). Compared to Duke opponents, their offense is between BC and Pitt. They do shoot well from three, tied for #67 in the country. But this is a team that during the regular season went 15-15 against the country's #236 schedule. And even if somehow we don't guard them well, their defense is terrible. KenPom ranks their D #294 (Torvik goes with #286). They're #247 in 2-point D, #298 in 3-point D, and #347 in turning the other team over. Their overall KenPom rank is worse than Eastern Michigan (a team we beat by 38), worse than Hartford (which we beat by 30 despite their being the #28 three-point shooting team in the country, much better than ND State), worse than Princeton (which we beat by 51), worse than every team on Duke's schedule except Stetson and Army. They're not good.
They gave up a ton of offensive rebounds. As long as Duke does not get into a three point shooting contest- it should be an easy win.

dukelion
03-21-2019, 05:37 AM
27 point favorites as of this posting.

AGDukesky
03-21-2019, 06:05 AM
Duke’s biggest challenge in this game is overconfidence. I expect a slow start with almost a week off and our opponent coming off more recent play. Should pull away in the second half.

DavidBenAkiva
03-21-2019, 08:30 AM
27 point favorites as of this posting.

Seems about right. Last year, Duke beat Iona in the 2/15 matchup by 22. This time, a better Duke team is playing a worse opponent in the opening round.

MChambers
03-21-2019, 08:43 AM
Offense is definitely ND State's best feature. But let's not make them into the Warriors or anything. They're the #117 offense in the country (according to Pomeroy; Torvik ranks them #115). Compared to Duke opponents, their offense is between BC and Pitt. They do shoot well from three, tied for #67 in the country. But this is a team that during the regular season went 15-15 against the country's #236 schedule. And even if somehow we don't guard them well, their defense is terrible. KenPom ranks their D #294 (Torvik goes with #286). They're #247 in 2-point D, #298 in 3-point D, and #347 in turning the other team over. Their overall KenPom rank is worse than Eastern Michigan (a team we beat by 38), worse than Hartford (which we beat by 30 despite their being the #28 three-point shooting team in the country, much better than ND State), worse than Princeton (which we beat by 51), worse than every team on Duke's schedule except Stetson and Army. They're not good.

Kedsy's overconfident. We're in big trouble!

flyingdutchdevil
03-21-2019, 08:47 AM
Duke’s biggest challenge in this game is overconfidence. I expect a slow start with almost a week off and our opponent coming off more recent play. Should pull away in the second half.

Overconfidence isn't the challenge. Just plain-old "missing the game" is their biggest challenge.

This is the overall 1 seed vs a bad 16 seed. Yes- last year, UVa got rocked. But do we really think there is a >0.1% chance of happening? Cus I don't.

Duke should be overly confident.

The only thing I'm looking forward to in this game is Baker, White, Goldwire, and Vrank getting some quality minutes.

CDu
03-21-2019, 11:03 AM
North Dakota St did what they were supposed to do in beating a truly awful NC Central team (KenPom #303) to make it to the real bracket. Congrats to them. Now they get Duke as a reward. Maybe that is punishment for their coach wearing tee shirts on the sidelines.

The Bison are not a great team either: 19-15, KenPom #202. They lost to Gonzaga by 42 and to Iowa State by 22. They play really slowly (#313 in pace) and aren't terribly good on either end of the floor (#117 offense, #294 defense). They are certainly better at offense than defense though. On offense, they slow down the tempo. This allows them to avoid turnovers (#22 nationally) and in theory get good shots. They are a pretty good shooting team (#53 in 3pt shooting, #80 in 2pt shooting) for a low major. But they are an atrocious offensive rebounding team (#345) and don't draw a lot of fouls (#199). They take more 3s per possession than just about anyone (#12). Defensively, they are really bad at everything except fouling (#25) and defensive rebounding (#75). Everywhere else they are worse than #270. So we should be able to score on them. And I'm not convinced that they'll be able to keep us off the glass, either.

Centers: Rocky Kreuser (6'10", 245lb sophomore) is about the only legitimate size the Bison have. Kreuser is a little bit reminiscent of Ryan Kelly in style. He's a stretch 5 who doesn't rebound a ton (not awful but not great). Kreuser can block shots, but his value is really as a floor spreader on offense. He's not overly athletic, and not overly strong. But he's positionally aware and can shoot it if left open (36.1% on 3s). The only other size the Bison play is Deng Geu (6'8", 215lb redshirt junior). Geu is a terrific rebounder, especially on the defensive end. He's long and lean and a very capable jumpshooter, taking about 45% of his shots on jumpers from 2 or 3. He shoots 35.7% from 3 and 74.7% from the line. So, like Kreuser, he's a decent floor spacer for a big. North Dakota State essentially rotates these two guys at the 5 spot and plays a really small team otherwise.

Forwards: Tyson Ward (6'6", 190lb junior) is the team's primary PF option. He's an undersized 4 man, who can step out and hit the occasional 3 (32.9%) but is much happy playing in the paint. He's not overly explosive, but he's tough and crafty in getting to the rim. Still, he's also not used to facing someone like Zion. So it will be interesting to see how well he can create his own shot against a bigger and better athlete. Barrett, Reddish, and White all also have the size to handle Ward on switches, and DeLaurier should be quick enough to stay in front of him. So we should have the players to make his life tough. Aside from Ward, the Bison don't really play any other forwards or bigs.

Wings: Jared Samuelson (6'3", 185lb junior) and Sam Griesel (6'6", 210lb freshman) are the starters. Samuelson is a shooter, plain and simple. He was a former walkon who has become one of the team's stars thanks to hard work. Samuelson basically lives on the 3pt line, with over 85% of his FG attempts being from 3. He's a 46.5% 3pt shooter, so he absolutely cannot be left open. He's not very athletic, and he won't do much off the dribble. But if you leave him, he'll make you pay. I'd expect Reddish and Goldwire to be assigned to him like a shadow. Griesel is a bit bigger and more dynamic, capable of getting to the rim and finishing. He's fairly athletic, but he's not a great shooter (25% from 3; 56% from FT line). Off the bench, the sixth man is Tyree Eady (6'5", 215lb freshman). Eady is a strong kid with not overwhelming athleticism. He's not a great ballhandler, doing most of his work offensively as a catch and shoot 3pt threat. He's a terrific 3pt shooter (41.9%) who can finish in traffic off assists but isn't great at getting there on his own. Chris Quayle (6'5", 200lb redshirt junior JuCo transfer) is the next option there, although his playing time comes and goes. Quayle is just a decent shooter (~35% career 3pt shooter) and energy role player when he's in there. He does a little of everything, but nothing particularly well. Lastly is Jordan Horn (6'2", 195lb sophomore transfer from Siena). Horn is a combo guard with good ballhandling skills for a SG but not really the passing game of a PG. He's not a great shooter (a bit over 30% for his career), but not awful either. Horn will play sparingly unless foul trouble sets in.

Guards: Vinnie Shahid (5'11", 190lb junior JuCo transfer) runs the offense and his the team's leader and captain despite being a first-year player. Shahid was a 2nd Team All-American in JuCo last year, and he's their best player. Shahid's game is somewhat reminiscent of Quinn Cook's. He's a terrific ballhandler, fearless off the dribble, and a capable 3pt shooter (36.3%). Less of a pure PG than a scoring lead guard, he's not overly explosive/athletic but crafty and very strong. And he's a highly confident kid who hits his free throws (84.6%). Cameron Hunter (6'3", 185lb sophomore) is the other primary ballhandler on the team. Hunter was a starter last year, but moved to the bench this year. He's pretty athletic and has good size for a PG, but plays as much off the ball as on it this year with Shahid in town. Hunter is not afraid to attack the basket and is capable of getting and-1 dunks/layups. But his game is predominantly from 3 point range, where he shoots 41.2%. So, like Samuelson and Eady above, leaving Hunter open is a really bad idea. He's not great off the dribble, but is somewhat capable.

This is a game we should win, and should win comfortably. North Dakota State doesn't have the size or the athleticism to compete with us. They can certainly shoot, but really only have one guy who is capable of creating offense. If we are focused, we should be able to limit them offensively, and we should have no trouble scoring on the other end. Here's hoping the team comes out focused and gets early separation to take the game pressure off.

Phredd3
03-21-2019, 11:14 AM
I'm wondering if in this particular game it makes sense to play Goldwire and the Four Freshmen (sounds like a band name) a fair amount of the time, rather than Javin. Their main offensive weapons are at the three-point line, and we'll need less rim protection and more agility than normal on defense (and besides, we have Zion and RJ, who can do a pretty good job at rim protection on their own). Since NDSU is not good defensively, Goldwire's lack of offense is also likely to be less of a problem than it might otherwise be.

Mind you, I think we'll win either way, and I'm guessing Javin will start if only as a coaching show of support, but I'm just wondering if we should expect more of the quicker, smaller lineup as we move into this particular game.

BisonFan
03-21-2019, 02:17 PM
North Dakota St did what they were supposed to do in beating a truly awful NC Central team (KenPom #303) to make it to the real bracket. Congrats to them. Now they get Duke as a reward. Maybe that is punishment for their coach wearing tee shirts on the sidelines.

The Bison are not a great team either: 19-15, KenPom #202. They lost to Gonzaga by 42 and to Iowa State by 22. They play really slowly (#313 in pace) and aren't terribly good on either end of the floor (#117 offense, #294 defense). They are certainly better at offense than defense though. On offense, they slow down the tempo. This allows them to avoid turnovers (#22 nationally) and in theory get good shots. They are a pretty good shooting team (#53 in 3pt shooting, #80 in 2pt shooting) for a low major. But they are an atrocious offensive rebounding team (#345) and don't draw a lot of fouls (#199). They take more 3s per possession than just about anyone (#12). Defensively, they are really bad at everything except fouling (#25) and defensive rebounding (#75). Everywhere else they are worse than #270. So we should be able to score on them. And I'm not convinced that they'll be able to keep us off the glass, either.

Centers: Rocky Kreuser (6'10", 245lb sophomore) is about the only legitimate size the Bison have. Kreuser is a little bit reminiscent of Ryan Kelly in style. He's a stretch 5 who doesn't rebound a ton (not awful but not great). Kreuser can block shots, but his value is really as a floor spreader on offense. He's not overly athletic, and not overly strong. But he's positionally aware and can shoot it if left open (36.1% on 3s). The only other size the Bison play is Deng Geu (6'8", 215lb redshirt junior). Geu is a terrific rebounder, especially on the defensive end. He's long and lean and a very capable jumpshooter, taking about 45% of his shots on jumpers from 2 or 3. He shoots 35.7% from 3 and 74.7% from the line. So, like Kreuser, he's a decent floor spacer for a big. North Dakota State essentially rotates these two guys at the 5 spot and plays a really small team otherwise.

Forwards: Tyson Ward (6'6", 190lb junior) is the team's primary PF option. He's an undersized 4 man, who can step out and hit the occasional 3 (32.9%) but is much happy playing in the paint. He's not overly explosive, but he's tough and crafty in getting to the rim. Still, he's also not used to facing someone like Zion. So it will be interesting to see how well he can create his own shot against a bigger and better athlete. Barrett, Reddish, and White all also have the size to handle Ward on switches, and DeLaurier should be quick enough to stay in front of him. So we should have the players to make his life tough. Aside from Ward, the Bison don't really play any other forwards or bigs.

Wings: Jared Samuelson (6'3", 185lb junior) and Sam Griesel (6'6", 210lb freshman) are the starters. Samuelson is a shooter, plain and simple. He was a former walkon who has become one of the team's stars thanks to hard work. Samuelson basically lives on the 3pt line, with over 85% of his FG attempts being from 3. He's a 46.5% 3pt shooter, so he absolutely cannot be left open. He's not very athletic, and he won't do much off the dribble. But if you leave him, he'll make you pay. I'd expect Reddish and Goldwire to be assigned to him like a shadow. Griesel is a bit bigger and more dynamic, capable of getting to the rim and finishing. He's fairly athletic, but he's not a great shooter (25% from 3; 56% from FT line). Off the bench, the sixth man is Tyree Eady (6'5", 215lb freshman). Eady is a strong kid with not overwhelming athleticism. He's not a great ballhandler, doing most of his work offensively as a catch and shoot 3pt threat. He's a terrific 3pt shooter (41.9%) who can finish in traffic off assists but isn't great at getting there on his own. Chris Quayle (6'5", 200lb redshirt junior JuCo transfer) is the next option there, although his playing time comes and goes. Quayle is just a decent shooter (~35% career 3pt shooter) and energy role player when he's in there. He does a little of everything, but nothing particularly well. Lastly is Jordan Horn (6'2", 195lb sophomore transfer from Siena). Horn is a combo guard with good ballhandling skills for a SG but not really the passing game of a PG. He's not a great shooter (a bit over 30% for his career), but not awful either. Horn will play sparingly unless foul trouble sets in.

Guards: Vinnie Shahid (5'11", 190lb junior JuCo transfer) runs the offense and his the team's leader and captain despite being a first-year player. Shahid was a 2nd Team All-American in JuCo last year, and he's their best player. Shahid's game is somewhat reminiscent of Quinn Cook's. He's a terrific ballhandler, fearless off the dribble, and a capable 3pt shooter (36.3%). Less of a pure PG than a scoring lead guard, he's not overly explosive/athletic but crafty and very strong. And he's a highly confident kid who hits his free throws (84.6%). Cameron Hunter (6'3", 185lb sophomore) is the other primary ballhandler on the team. Hunter was a starter last year, but moved to the bench this year. He's pretty athletic and has good size for a PG, but plays as much off the ball as on it this year with Shahid in town. Hunter is not afraid to attack the basket and is capable of getting and-1 dunks/layups. But his game is predominantly from 3 point range, where he shoots 41.2%. So, like Samuelson and Eady above, leaving Hunter open is a really bad idea. He's not great off the dribble, but is somewhat capable.

This is a game we should win, and should win comfortably. North Dakota State doesn't have the size or the athleticism to compete with us. They can certainly shoot, but really only have one guy who is capable of creating offense. If we are focused, we should be able to limit them offensively, and we should have no trouble scoring on the other end. Here's hoping the team comes out focused and gets early separation to take the game pressure off.

This is a pretty fair breakdown of our team. It's a young team that's come a long ways this season. They have played their best BB the last month or so. Trust me we have no delusions of beating Duke or even keeping it close. Just hoping for a decent showing and an experience our guys will never forget.

As to your shot at our coaches atire, it's a T-shirt that supports a local Fargo kid's fight against cancer. He also happens to be a neighbor to our head coach and a school mate and close friend to one of his daughters. He has worn it to every game so I'd expect to see it again Friday night. Hope it doesn't offend too many. https://971theticket.radio.com/articles/story-behind-ndsu-coachs-t-shirt-sideline

devildeac
03-21-2019, 02:19 PM
This is a pretty fair breakdown of our team. It's a young team that's come a long ways this season. They have played their best BB the last month or so. Trust me we have no delusions of beating Duke or even keeping it close. Just hoping for a decent showing and an experience our guys will never forget.

As to your shot at our coaches atire, it's a T-shirt that supports a local Fargo kid's fight against cancer. He also happens to be a neighbor to our head coach and a school mate and close friend to one of his daughters. He has worn it to every game so I'd expect to see it again Friday night. Hope it doesn't offend too many. https://971theticket.radio.com/articles/story-behind-ndsu-coachs-t-shirt-sideline

Thanks for visiting and especially for the inside info on the t-shirt. Great story.

BandAlum83
03-21-2019, 02:21 PM
I think I heard yesterday that the NDSU coach is the youngest/fastest to get to 100 wins, or will be? That's pretty impressive. He played for the team as well and was an all-conference player.

Sounds like he has a bright future. How long will NDSU be able to keep him?

ETA: Looking at Wikipedia, not sure what I heard. He is 40 years old and his record is 86-62 in his 5th year.

and here is the story on the T-shirt:

https://971theticket.radio.com/articles/story-behind-ndsu-coachs-t-shirt-sideline

Indoor66
03-21-2019, 02:23 PM
A wonderful gesture with the tee shirt. Kudos to your coach and best wishes to the younger. Cancer of horrible.

SavDukeGrad
03-21-2019, 02:23 PM
This is a pretty fair breakdown of our team. It's a young team that's come a long ways this season. They have played their best BB the last month or so. Trust me we have no delusions of beating Duke or even keeping it close. Just hoping for a decent showing and an experience our guys will never forget.

As to your shot at our coaches atire, it's a T-shirt that supports a local Fargo kid's fight against cancer. He also happens to be a neighbor to our head coach and a school mate and close friend to one of his daughters. He has worn it to every game so I'd expect to see it again Friday night. Hope it doesn't offend too many. https://971theticket.radio.com/articles/story-behind-ndsu-coachs-t-shirt-sideline

Welcome to the board! We always enjoy hearing the perspective of our opponents.

That’s a neat story about your coach’s shirt.

MChambers
03-21-2019, 02:26 PM
This is a pretty fair breakdown of our team. It's a young team that's come a long ways this season. They have played their best BB the last month or so. Trust me we have no delusions of beating Duke or even keeping it close. Just hoping for a decent showing and an experience our guys will never forget.

As to your shot at our coaches atire, it's a T-shirt that supports a local Fargo kid's fight against cancer. He also happens to be a neighbor to our head coach and a school mate and close friend to one of his daughters. He has worn it to every game so I'd expect to see it again Friday night. Hope it doesn't offend too many. https://971theticket.radio.com/articles/story-behind-ndsu-coachs-t-shirt-sideline

Thanks for posting here and explaining the t-shirt!

BisonFan
03-21-2019, 02:51 PM
I think I heard yesterday that the NDSU coach is the youngest/fastest to get to 100 wins, or will be? That's pretty impressive. He played for the team as well and was an all-conference player.

Sounds like he has a bright future. How long will NDSU be able to keep him?

ETA: Looking at Wikipedia, not sure what I heard. He is 40 years old and his record is 86-62 in his 5th year.

and here is the story on the T-shirt:

https://971theticket.radio.com/articles/story-behind-ndsu-coachs-t-shirt-sideline

Coach Richman is at 96-66 and will be the youngest to 100 wins for us hopefully. He didn't play for NDSU though, he played for a 2 year school about 20 minutes away in his home town of Whapeton, ND. To be honest he was kind of on the hot seat until this years team turned it around. The last 2 years were not very good after going to the dance his first year as HC. I'm guessing he will get an extension after this season. Not sure he's done enough to attract a better offer just yet.

tecumseh
03-21-2019, 02:53 PM
A wonderful gesture with the tee shirt. Kudos to your coach and best wishes to the younger. Cancer of horrible.

Some cancer is not too bad but gliomas are cancers that often occur in the most sensitive places such that you cannot surgically respect them and they are usually resistant to chemo and radiation. This kid seems to be doing poorly sadly and had little chance to survive.

SavDukeGrad
03-21-2019, 03:18 PM
DukeMBB has an Instagram live video up from Duke’s open practice this afternoon. Lots of fans/spectators there!

ETA: Press row looks full. Lower level looks about 50% full on the sides, less in the end zones. That’s a lot of people for a practice!

OldPhiKap
03-21-2019, 03:21 PM
This is a pretty fair breakdown of our team. It's a young team that's come a long ways this season. They have played their best BB the last month or so. Trust me we have no delusions of beating Duke or even keeping it close. Just hoping for a decent showing and an experience our guys will never forget.

As to your shot at our coaches atire, it's a T-shirt that supports a local Fargo kid's fight against cancer. He also happens to be a neighbor to our head coach and a school mate and close friend to one of his daughters. He has worn it to every game so I'd expect to see it again Friday night. Hope it doesn't offend too many. https://971theticket.radio.com/articles/story-behind-ndsu-coachs-t-shirt-sideline

Thanks for the great post, BisonFan. Great story about the T-shirt, glad you shared it.

I enjoyed your game last night and your team plays well together. Seem like a great group of kids best I can tell.

I assume you may have just dropped by for the game, but please feel free to come talk hoops any time!

CDu
03-21-2019, 03:42 PM
This is a pretty fair breakdown of our team. It's a young team that's come a long ways this season. They have played their best BB the last month or so. Trust me we have no delusions of beating Duke or even keeping it close. Just hoping for a decent showing and an experience our guys will never forget.

As to your shot at our coaches atire, it's a T-shirt that supports a local Fargo kid's fight against cancer. He also happens to be a neighbor to our head coach and a school mate and close friend to one of his daughters. He has worn it to every game so I'd expect to see it again Friday night. Hope it doesn't offend too many. https://971theticket.radio.com/articles/story-behind-ndsu-coachs-t-shirt-sideline

Thanks for the input! Glad to hear that there is a (very) good reason for the t-shirt. That is a wonderful story and thanks for sharing. Hope my lighthearted joke didn’t offend.

BandAlum83
03-21-2019, 03:46 PM
Thanks for the input! Glad to hear that there is a (very) good reason for the t-shirt. That is a wonderful story and thanks for sharing. Hope my lighthearted joke didn’t offend.

I bet they have a sense of humor in North Dakota, too.

Although I've never met any of the 163,924 people from there. :rolleyes::p

TruBlu
03-21-2019, 04:00 PM
DukeMBB has an Instagram live video up from Duke’s open practice this afternoon. Lots of fans/spectators there!

ETA: Press row looks full. Lower level looks about 50% full on the sides, less in the end zones. That’s a lot of people for a practice!

Any Bolden sightings in the open practice?

weezie
03-21-2019, 04:07 PM
... Maybe that is punishment for their coach wearing tee shirts on the sidelines...

Pardon me but isn't that rather a lack of sideline decorum?

Yikes, I add my best wishes to the youngster and the cancer battle. Just saw that.

weezie
03-21-2019, 04:12 PM
Any Bolden sightings in the open practice?


Chronicle reporting that Jack on injury watch for the hamstring.

SavDukeGrad
03-21-2019, 04:22 PM
Any Bolden sightings in the open practice?

Yes. It looks like Bolden practiced in a knee brace.

SavDukeGrad
03-21-2019, 04:44 PM
I finally watched the entire video from the open practice. Bolden practiced in a knee brace but appeared to have no practice limitations.

Jack White participated in shooting drills, which seems like good news to me. But he didn’t participate in the full court drills.

Also, the crowd cheered whenever Duke scored in the full court drills. Especially for Zion’s dunks!

BLPOG
03-21-2019, 06:49 PM
Overconfidence isn't the challenge. Just plain-old "missing the game" is their biggest challenge.

This is the overall 1 seed vs a bad 16 seed. Yes- last year, UVa got rocked. But do we really think there is a >0.1% chance of happening? Cus I don't.

Duke should be overly confident.

The only thing I'm looking forward to in this game is Baker, White, Goldwire, and Vrank getting some quality minutes.

0.1%

That's 1/1000.

Expansion to 64 teams was in 1985.

34 tournaments times 4 sixteen- versus one-seed matchups is 136.

1/136 ~= 0.735%

So, going by the historical record and seeding alone, your estimate is probably off by several hundred times.

Of course there are reasons to think such an upset is more or less likely for a given team.

My point is just that 1/1000 implies a very high degree of certainty. The odds of multiple serious injuries might well exceed that. Wouldn't that have an impact on the game?

CDu
03-21-2019, 06:52 PM
0.1%

That's 1/1000.

Expansion to 64 teams was in 1985.

34 tournaments times 4 sixteen- versus one-seed matchups is 136.

1/136 ~= 0.735%

So, going by the historical record and seeding alone, your estimate is probably off by several hundred times.

Of course there are reasons to think such an upset is more or less likely for a given team.

My point is just that 1/1000 implies a very high degree of certainty. The odds of multiple serious injuries might well exceed that. Wouldn't that have an impact on the game?

Minor quibble, but .735% is only roughly 7 times greater than 0.1%. Not “several hundred times.”

OldPhiKap
03-21-2019, 06:54 PM
FWIW, I am wearing a soft boot at the house for precautionary reasons.

wilson
03-21-2019, 06:56 PM
I bet they have a sense of humor in North Dakota, too.

Although I've never met any of the 163,924 people from there. :rolleyes::pJust for the record, North Dakota is beautiful and both of the Dakotas are criminally underrated. The wind, however, is no laughing matter.

-jk
03-21-2019, 07:01 PM
Just for the record, North Dakota is beautiful and both of the Dakotas are criminally underrated. The wind, however, is no laughing matter.

Wind. Winter.

Rough!

-jk

sagegrouse
03-21-2019, 07:04 PM
Just for the record, North Dakota is beautiful and both of the Dakotas are criminally underrated. The wind, however, is no laughing matter.

I know quite a few North Dakotans who are quite successful in the world at large. All claim North Dakota as their home state but live elsewhere.

Some of them spend time in the summer at Detroit Lakes -- Minnesota, not the Dakotas (nor Michigan), but less than an hour east of Fargo.

Green Wave Dukie
03-21-2019, 07:06 PM
This is a pretty fair breakdown of our team. It's a young team that's come a long ways this season. They have played their best BB the last month or so. Trust me we have no delusions of beating Duke or even keeping it close. Just hoping for a decent showing and an experience our guys will never forget.

As to your shot at our coaches atire, it's a T-shirt that supports a local Fargo kid's fight against cancer. He also happens to be a neighbor to our head coach and a school mate and close friend to one of his daughters. He has worn it to every game so I'd expect to see it again Friday night. Hope it doesn't offend too many. https://971theticket.radio.com/articles/story-behind-ndsu-coachs-t-shirt-sideline

Great story. Didn't know that tidbit, though watched the Bison last night at Buffalo Wild Wings (was the only 1 watching the game in the room I was in), and watched them win the conference tourney against Omaha week before last.

As posted elsewhere on other threads, my daughter is in her 2nd year of grad school there, and I've been to Fargo twice to see her, so I can vouch for the folks there being community oriented, down to earth, good folks. No surprise at all to me the coach and folks there would get behind a great cause. For me personally, my first Bison sporting event live was the FCS Championship in Fargo this year where they won title #7. As I am sure you (BisonFan) can attest, the NDSU fans, at least the football ones, are nuts. Confident they will take it for what it is worth - a chance, albeit very slim, to 'shock the world', and as BandAlum posted elsewhere, an opportunity to tell their kids and grandkids they played against, and maybe scored on, Zion.

Tripping William
03-21-2019, 07:08 PM
Great story. Didn't know that tidbit, though watched the Bison last night at Buffalo Wild Wings (was the only 1 watching the game in the room I was in), and watched them win the conference tourney against Omaha week before last.

As posted elsewhere on other threads, my daughter is in her 2nd year of grad school there, and I've been to Fargo twice to see her, so I can vouch for the folks there being community oriented, down to earth, good folks. No surprise at all to me the coach and folks there would get behind a great cause. For me personally, my first Bison sporting event live was the FCS Championship in Fargo this year where they won title #7. As I am sure you (BisonFan) can attest, the NDSU fans, at least the football ones, are nuts. Confident they will take it for what it is worth - a chance, albeit very slim, to 'shock the world', and as BandAlum posted elsewhere, an opportunity to tell their kids and grandkids they played against, and maybe scored on, Zion.

Good beer in Fargo/Moorhead, too. And we have a nice lil thread that discusses such things ..... :o

MChambers
03-21-2019, 07:11 PM
FWIW, I am wearing a soft boot at the house for precautionary reasons.

I may wear bubble wrap until the Final Four.

Phredd3
03-21-2019, 07:15 PM
1/136 ~= 0.735%

So, going by the historical record and seeding alone, your estimate is probably off by several hundred times.

In addition to the math error pointed out above, it would take at least five hundred games to reliably distinguish a 1/25 event from a 1/100 event. It might take tens of thousands to distinguish a 1/100 event from a 1/1000 event. After 136 games we have very little information about how frequently a 16-over-1 upset is likely to occur.

OldPhiKap
03-21-2019, 07:20 PM
The badlands and Black Hills of SD are great. Have not had the chance to visit ND yet but look forward to it.

And, because, this is essentially great:

https://youtu.be/QxgmskQgb9U

Sluggo
03-21-2019, 07:24 PM
I bet they have a sense of humor in North Dakota, too.

Although I've never met any of the 163,924 people from there. :rolleyes::p

We certainly do. I’ve lived in ND all my life. Went to college at the University of ND (UND) rather than NDSU. It was during my time at UND in the late 80s that I became a Duke fan.

I was in Florida with my adult kids on vacation last week and we were able to enjoy all 3 ACC tourney games together. I indoctrinated my children well as they are also crazy Duke fans. One is a NDSU grad.

Go Duke!

BLPOG
03-21-2019, 07:29 PM
Minor quibble, but .735% is only roughly 7 times greater than 0.1%. Not “several hundred times.”

Wow, I'm even more tired than I thought. Thank you for correcting that bizarre error on my part.

Reilly
03-21-2019, 07:37 PM
... After 136 games we have very little information about how frequently a 16-over-1 upset is likely to occur.

Isn't it 1 every 136 times? I once read a discussion about Laura Bush having the accident where she hit the car driven by someone she dated in high school, and the young man died. Someone posited in the comments, "hitting your boyfriend and he dies -- what are the odds?" And someone replied, "well, for her, 1 out of 1."

Phil Steele analyzed CFB upsets at certain betting line differentials. Wouldn't the same work, roughly, for various 16 v 1 match-ups?

Last year, per the SRS, Virginia (#5) ended up 24 points better than #183 UMBC: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2018-ratings.html

So, how often has a 24-point underdog won a CBB game outright? [Not sure what the spread in SRS was pre-game.]

Right now, per the SRS, Duke (#1) is 32 points better than #214 NDSU: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2019-ratings.html

How many times has a 32-point CBB hoops underdog won outright?

OldPhiKap
03-21-2019, 07:43 PM
Isn't it 1 every 136 times? I once read a discussion about Laura Bush having the accident where she hit the car driven by someone she dated in high school, and the young man died. Someone posited in the comments, "hitting your boyfriend and he dies -- what are the odds?" And someone replied, "well, for her, 1 out of 1."

Phil Steele analyzed CFB upsets at certain betting line differentials. Wouldn't the same work, roughly, for various 16 v 1 match-ups?

Last year, per the SRS, Virginia (#5) ended up 24 points better than #183 UMBC: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2018-ratings.html

So, how often has a 24-point underdog won a CBB game outright? [Not sure what the spread in SRS was pre-game.]

Right now, per the SRS, Duke (#1) is 32 points better than #214 NDSU: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2019-ratings.html

How many times has a 32-point CBB hoops underdog won outright?

Odds are 50/50. It either will, or it won’t.

CDu
03-21-2019, 07:45 PM
Isn't it 1 every 136 times? I once read a discussion about Laura Bush having the accident where she hit the car driven by someone she dated in high school, and the young man died. Someone posited in the comments, "hitting your boyfriend and he dies -- what are the odds?" And someone replied, "well, for her, 1 out of 1."

Phil Steele analyzed CFB upsets at certain betting line differentials. Wouldn't the same work, roughly, for various 16 v 1 match-ups?

Last year, per the SRS, Virginia (#5) ended up 24 points better than #183 UMBC: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2018-ratings.html

So, how often has a 24-point underdog won a CBB game outright? [Not sure what the spread in SRS was pre-game.]

Right now, per the SRS, Duke (#1) is 32 points better than #214 NDSU: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/2019-ratings.html

How many times has a 32-point CBB hoops underdog won outright?

No, with rare outcomes, each successful event is an outlier. Thus, you need a TON of observations to feel confident in your estimate of a rare outcome. For example, 1 in a million means once in one million trials. It doesn’t mean you fail 999,999 times before succeeding. That one success could happen at any time. If you only take 300 observations but get lucky and that once in a million happens, you would be overestimating the probability to say it is 1 in 300.

Tripping William
03-21-2019, 07:50 PM
I bet they have a sense of humor in North Dakota, too.

Although I've never met any of the 163,924 people from there. :rolleyes::p

I, too, can attest that they do. Fargo’s municipal slogan is, “North of Normal.” And they recognize that many people visit just to collect their 50th state. If that’s why you’re there, the visitor’s center in Fargo will give you a t-shirt that says, “I saved the best for last.”

I found both those things hilariously self-deprecating when we visited last summer (for state #49, so no t-shirt for me).

BandAlum83
03-21-2019, 07:57 PM
I know quite a few North Dakotans who are quite successful in the world at large. All claim North Dakota as their home state but live elsewhere.

Some of them spend time in the summer at Detroit Lakes -- Minnesota, not the Dakotas (nor Michigan), but less than an hour east of Fargo.

Do North Dakotans winter in South Dakota?

-jk
03-21-2019, 08:01 PM
I, too, can attest that they do. Fargo’s municipal slogan is, “North of Normal.” And they recognize that many people visit just to collect their 50th state. If that’s why you’re there, the visitor’s center in Fargo will give you a t-shirt that says, “I saved the best for last.”

I found both those things hilariously self-deprecating when we visited last summer (for state #49, so no t-shirt for me).

Well...

ND is the only state I haven’t driven in. (I was running late back in ‘86, Chicago to Seattle, and didn’t have time to take the northern detour.)

I’ll get there one day!

-jk

NSDukeFan
03-21-2019, 08:03 PM
In addition to the math error pointed out above, it would take at least five hundred games to reliably distinguish a 1/25 event from a 1/100 event. It might take tens of thousands to distinguish a 1/100 event from a 1/1000 event. After 136 games we have very little information about how frequently a 16-over-1 upset is likely to occur.

I’m pretty sure it’s not very often.

BandAlum83
03-21-2019, 08:06 PM
I, too, can attest that they do. Fargo’s municipal slogan is, “North of Normal.” And they recognize that many people visit just to collect their 50th state. If that’s why you’re there, the visitor’s center in Fargo will give you a t-shirt that says, “I saved the best for last.”

I found both those things hilariously self-deprecating when we visited last summer (for state #49, so no t-shirt for me).

Indeed, it was my Dad’s 50th state. He had a party during which he placed he shot glass in the empty spot in the shelving made to fit 50 shot glasses.

I have a framed picture of the event.

Maybe someday I will get to 50. I am still at 37.

Lurkingdukedog
03-21-2019, 08:29 PM
Do North Dakotans winter in South Dakota?

I once heard a joke (told by my sister in law who is from Fargo) that a family's farmstead home happened to be built right on the North Dakota/South Dakota stateline. When it came down to it, the family was given a choice on which state they would become an official resident. And of course the family chose to be South Dakotans. When asked why, they said, "everyone knows how cold it is in North Dakota!"

I have 48 -- still need North Dakota and Alaska. . .

-jk
03-21-2019, 08:40 PM
I have 48 -- still need North Dakota and Alaska. . .

Great Alaska Shootout! (And Maui Invitational...)

-jk

SavDukeGrad
03-21-2019, 10:11 PM
Grant Hill, Jim Nantz, and Bill Raftery were at the open practice today. Funny pics on the DukeMBB Instagram of Grant with Zion and R.J. The team practiced at a high school gym to walk through their game plan before the open practice at the arena.

proelitedota
03-21-2019, 10:40 PM
Hate late Friday games. Makes me anxious as hell. I loved the Thursday noon games the best.

BigZ
03-21-2019, 10:47 PM
Prediction Duke 88 NDSU 61

flyingdutchdevil
03-22-2019, 06:14 AM
Prediction Duke 88 NDSU 61

You’re too generous towards NDSU

uh_no
03-22-2019, 06:25 AM
Minor quibble, but .735% is only roughly 7 times greater than 0.1%. Not “several hundred times.”

that's some UNC math there...

Philsfan
03-22-2019, 06:31 AM
Let’s Go Duke, but I would remiss to not give a shout-out to my Birds’ Carson Wentz, most likely NDSU’s most noted alum.

proelitedota
03-22-2019, 06:32 AM
You’re too generous towards NDSU

27 is the biggest spread I see for Duke on all metrics... Torvik has us by 23.

tecumseh
03-22-2019, 06:41 AM
No, with rare outcomes, each successful event is an outlier. Thus, you need a TON of observations to feel confident in your estimate of a rare outcome. For example, 1 in a million means once in one million trials. It doesn’t mean you fail 999,999 times before succeeding. That one success could happen at any time. If you only take 300 observations but get lucky and that once in a million happens, you would be overestimating the probability to say it is 1 in 300.

Stats are interesting, really. I guess one question i have is what if you figured in near misses, like figuring in half a loaf. Georgetown vs Princeton comes readily to mind, what are the odds the Princeton player hits the last shot. There are some complicated ways of looking at this statistically but near miss events would argue against the UVA games last year was such an outlier.

The statistical treatment of rare events is a big issue in medicine.

Spanarkel
03-22-2019, 06:53 AM
GoDuke.com, the official site of Duke Athletics, sorely and promptly needs to correct its listing(found in the Full Bio section) that Zion was born in Salisbury, SC. As one poster pointed out recently, Zion was born in Salisbury, NC, and furthermore, there is no town that I can find named Salisbury in SC.

I wouldn't comment if an incorrect birthplace were listed on GoDuke.com for Mike Buckmire(no disrepect to him), for instance, but this is the near unanimous NPOY we're talking about. I don't fully understand the powers of the weauf gods, but this is no time to be agitating them in any shape or fashion.

Let's go, Duke!

CDu
03-22-2019, 06:58 AM
Stats are interesting, really. I guess one question i have is what if you figured in near misses, like figuring in half a loaf. Georgetown vs Princeton comes readily to mind, what are the odds the Princeton player hits the last shot. There are some complicated ways of looking at this statistically but near miss events would argue against the UVA games last year was such an outlier.

The statistical treatment of rare events is a big issue in medicine.

That is why you need so many more observations: to determine how much of an outlier the event is.

Troublemaker
03-22-2019, 07:11 AM
Duke’s biggest challenge in this game is overconfidence. I expect a slow start with almost a week off and our opponent coming off more recent play. Should pull away in the second half.

I could maybe see a slow start lasting until the under 16 timeout, maaaybe until the under 12 timeout at most. But Duke's going to be sharp and will pull away in the first half. Why? Duke's trying to make up for lost time -- Zion's injury and the games he missed. We're still a team that's trying to re-integrate our star player in Zion (and now also a role player in Marques). In the ACC tournament, we kind of muddled through two games before finally feeling "Duke's back" in the ACC championship game. Our team will want to continue to roll, continue to have those good feelings of being "back." We're going to have excellent focus and take every game seriously because we know for example that this game is a precious opportunity to sharpen our team for what lies ahead. We weren't able to sharpen when Zion was out.

BisonFan
03-22-2019, 07:20 AM
Do North Dakotans winter in South Dakota?

Hell no. SD is a fly over state for us. ;)

ND winters can be brutal but the people make it a great place to live. We work hard and play harder!:)

NDSU is definitely a FB school first and foremost. We love to tailgate. They've won 7 of the last 8 FCS championships and Frisco, TX where the championship is played has become known as "Fargo South". We drank them dry the first year down there. :o One of the bars down there even joined our booster club. We've beaten so many Big Ten and Big 12 teams they won't even schedule us anymore. :D

Looking forward to the game tonight and watching our boys for the last time this season. I'd wish your team luck but they don't need it.

budwom
03-22-2019, 07:48 AM
Little known fact*, many male newborns there are being named Derrick because of the oil boom....

HereBeforeCoachK
03-22-2019, 07:53 AM
Hell no. SD is a fly over state for us. ;)

ND winters can be brutal but the people make it a great place to live. We work hard and play harder!:)

NDSU is definitely a FB school first and foremost. We love to tailgate. They've won 7 of the last 8 FCS championships and Frisco, TX where the championship is played has become known as "Fargo South". We drank them dry the first year down there. :o One of the bars down there even joined our booster club. We've beaten so many Big Ten and Big 12 teams they won't even schedule us anymore. :D

Looking forward to the game tonight and watching our boys for the last time this season. I'd wish your team luck but they don't need it.

How do you tailgate after, say, Labor Day....

dukefanSD
03-22-2019, 07:55 AM
I grew up in Minnesota about twenty miles from Detroit Lakes and graduated from NDSU. It feels very surreal to have them being discussed on the DBR. If you do go to visit Fargo, don’t forget to see the wood chipper from the movie. I think it’s at the information center.

OldPhiKap
03-22-2019, 08:04 AM
How do you tailgate after, say, Labor Day...


Just stick the beer in the snow -- no need for coolers. Their Igloo coolers are really igloos!

And, you know the beef is fresh.

Good luck to everyone, may there be no injuries for either team. May the winner take down the whole thing!

budwom
03-22-2019, 08:04 AM
I grew up in Minnesota about twenty miles from Detroit Lakes and graduated from NDSU. It feels very surreal to have them being discussed on the DBR. If you do go to visit Fargo, don’t forget to see the wood chipper from the movie. I think it’s at the information center.

that sounds like cheating, since almost the entire story takes place in Brainerd, Minnesota (where I worked one summer)...beautiful Gull Lake, lovely water, gobs of leeches and ticks, too.

brevity
03-22-2019, 08:20 AM
I'm sure this won't be a distraction. An NCAA Tournament first? Zion Cam to debut in Columbia (https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/article228251984.html)


“Because of Zion (Williamson), we have added a camera dedicated to him the whole time he is on the floor,” said Wolff, who has risen to be the network’s coordinating producer of college basketball. “We hired a cameraman, a camera, a digital tape machine to record everything he does.”

CDu
03-22-2019, 08:23 AM
I'm sure this won't be a distraction. An NCAA Tournament first? Zion Cam to debut in Columbia (https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/article228251984.html)

I just hope he doesn’t have to use the restroom during the game...

weezie
03-22-2019, 08:24 AM
^^^poor Z. I understand it's game related and that Duke can also benefit from this camera information but he's getting so much attention in real life, too.

He sure has his head screwed on right. The increasing pressure of the constant media frenzy would break a lesser fellow.

BisonFan
03-22-2019, 08:25 AM
How do you tailgate after, say, Labor Day...

We break out the tents and heaters. You still need a cooler but it's to keep the beer from freezing instead! We ND's are a resourceful bunch.

Seriously it's not too cold until after Thanksgiving usually.

budwom
03-22-2019, 08:29 AM
We break out the tents and heaters. You still need a cooler but it's to keep the beer from freezing instead! We ND's are a resourceful bunch.

Seriously it's not too cold until after Thanksgiving usually.

Cold weather people know how to adapt...I cooked lamb chops outside at -9Fahrenheit in January, a personal record, though we decided to eat inside.

BisonFan
03-22-2019, 08:29 AM
I'm sure this won't be a distraction. An NCAA Tournament first? Zion Cam to debut in Columbia (https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/article228251984.html)

How do most of you guys feel about the one and dones? I know Coach K was hesitant to go that route but it seems you have to now days.

I personally think the NBA needs to get rid of that and let these guys play.

du_bb1
03-22-2019, 08:29 AM
Was stationed in SD for year-never made it to the Northern persuasion, maybe next time up that way.

phaedrus
03-22-2019, 08:34 AM
How do most of you guys feel about the one and dones? I know Coach K was hesitant to go that route but it seems you have to now days.

I personally think the NBA needs to get rid of that and let these guys play.

How many posters are there on these boards? There are that many different views here on one-and-done, times two.

dukefanSD
03-22-2019, 08:36 AM
When I was at NDSU we didn’t have tailgating for games. They hadn’t built the Fargodome yet and all the games were outside at Dakota Field. It was very easy to smuggle in booze under your big parka.

wilson
03-22-2019, 08:39 AM
How do most of you guys feel about the one and dones? I know Coach K was hesitant to go that route but it seems you have to now days.

I personally think the NBA needs to get rid of that and let these guys play.My goodness, this can...it's full of worms!

Channing
03-22-2019, 08:45 AM
How do most of you guys feel about the one and dones? I know Coach K was hesitant to go that route but it seems you have to now days.

I personally think the NBA needs to get rid of that and let these guys play.

Without wading into the policy of OAD, I would imagine that Zion has made himself a multiple of what he has foregone by not getting to the league a year early in the form of endorsement money that will be put in front of him as soon as he declares. He is easily the face of CBB and certainly a top-10, maybe even top-5 marketable basketball player in the world right now. He is certainly the anomaly, but if a superstar wants to see the value of going to college for a year - look no further.

BisonFan
03-22-2019, 08:47 AM
How many posters are there on these boards? There are that many different views here on one-and-done, times two.


My goodness, this can...it's full of worms!

Sorry guys, didn't mean to let the worms out.

We at NDSU don't have to worry too much about one and dones unless they are really bad recruits. :D

devildeac
03-22-2019, 08:49 AM
How do you tailgate after, say, Labor Day...

Gotta be by snowmobile...

;)

Troublemaker
03-22-2019, 08:53 AM
How do most of you guys feel about the one and dones? I know Coach K was hesitant to go that route but it seems you have to now days.

I personally think the NBA needs to get rid of that and let these guys play.

From what perspective? If we're talking about winning national titles, Villanova recently has 2 with multi-year players. So not every program has to. (And with the limited number of OADs annually, only one or two programs can be built on that, anyway.)

*Coach K* probably *does* have to because at his age (72 years), it's easier to promise recruits he'll be here next year rather than the next 4 years. Also, his succession plan likely involves a former Duke player taking over -- the Duke Brotherhood continues -- and recruiting hopefully continuing to go well if the NBA is packed with former Duke players, many in starring roles like Kyrie Irving and maybe Jayson Tatum and hopefully Zion Williamson. Coach K is trying to make the "Duke Brotherhood" bigger than himself.

killerleft
03-22-2019, 09:02 AM
I, too, can attest that they do. Fargo’s municipal slogan is, “North of Normal.” And they recognize that many people visit just to collect their 50th state. If that’s why you’re there, the visitor’s center in Fargo will give you a t-shirt that says, “I saved the best for last.”

I found both those things hilariously self-deprecating when we visited last summer (for state #49, so no t-shirt for me).

If they had really wanted to be North of Normal, their slogan might have been "We'll Run You Through the Wood Chipper!"

Troublemaker
03-22-2019, 09:10 AM
As for Duke in this game, let's hope we continue to see an aggressive Tre Jones. It's not just about avoiding the negative effect of opposing defenses leaving him alone to clog up actions elsewhere; it's that he's actually an efficient creator, as you might expect from a highly-rated PG and Stones family member. If we continue to see more Tre creation and less Cam creation (as in the ACC championship game), I think Duke's offense will be in a good place.

That doesn't mean that Cam won't randomly get hot and win us a game in this tournament as he did, for example, in the game at Florida State. But on a game-to-game basis, I can't see preferring Cam creation to Tre creation. Cam should try to be 3-and-D. And Tre has to continue to be aggressive.

COYS
03-22-2019, 09:19 AM
As for Duke in this game, let's hope we continue to see an aggressive Tre Jones. It's not just about avoiding the negative effect of opposing defenses leaving him alone to clog up actions elsewhere; it's that he's actually an efficient creator, as you might expect from a highly-rated PG and Stones family member. If we continue to see more Tre creation and less Cam creation (as in the ACC championship game), I think Duke's offense will be in a good place.

That doesn't mean that Cam won't randomly get hot and win us a game in this tournament as he did, for example, in the game at Florida State. But on a game-to-game basis, I can't see preferring Cam creation to Tre creation. Cam should try to be 3-and-D. And Tre has to continue to be aggressive.

I could not possibly agree with this more. As much as I thought Cam would settle in on offense as the season went on, Duke doesn't have the luxury of guessing which Cam we're going to get on a given night on offense. I'd much rather Cam's usage be limited to mostly spot up threes and straight-line drives while Tre's goes up with him attacking the paint more and creating for himself and others. Tre in attack mode has the potential to make everyone more efficient, as he can hopefully create easier looks for Cam and RJ from three and get Javin and Marques involved with dump-offs for dunks. Again, nothing against Cam. I think he WILL win a game for us this tournament by getting hot and torching the nets for 20+ just like he's done more than a few times this season. But I'd also rather him not be in a position to lose a game by handling the ball too much and turning it over at a high rate, too. In addition, Cam's defense is essential for this team reaching its potential. Limiting fouls that Cam commits on the offensive end means he can be on the floor more to do what he does best on the defensive end. Letting Tre create a little bit more at the expense of a few touches for Cam seems like the smartest move.

SavDukeGrad
03-22-2019, 09:35 AM
I listened to the press conferences yesterday. I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere, but Coach K sounds really sick. He said in the press conference that he had been sick for 9 days. I didn’t realize that he was sick in Charlotte.

CDu
03-22-2019, 09:37 AM
As for Duke in this game, let's hope we continue to see an aggressive Tre Jones. It's not just about avoiding the negative effect of opposing defenses leaving him alone to clog up actions elsewhere; it's that he's actually an efficient creator, as you might expect from a highly-rated PG and Stones family member. If we continue to see more Tre creation and less Cam creation (as in the ACC championship game), I think Duke's offense will be in a good place.

That doesn't mean that Cam won't randomly get hot and win us a game in this tournament as he did, for example, in the game at Florida State. But on a game-to-game basis, I can't see preferring Cam creation to Tre creation. Cam should try to be 3-and-D. And Tre has to continue to be aggressive.

Yep. Cam's usage and approach in the ACC championship is what I'd like to see moving forward. He seemed to get a message from the coaching staff to NOT attack off the dribble. And his discipline paid off: no turnovers. We have 3 guys that I trust to dribble in traffic: Jones, Zion, and Barrett. Let's let those guys do the creating and have Reddish focus on defense (where he is great) and 3pt shooting (where he is capable).

BisonFan
03-22-2019, 09:41 AM
Speaking of Tre Jones and his brother Tyus, their mom is from ND. I think they still have an aunt and uncle living in Fargo actually.

BandAlum83
03-22-2019, 10:08 AM
I'm sure this won't be a distraction. An NCAA Tournament first? Zion Cam to debut in Columbia (https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/article228251984.html)

Oh, great...please, please, please, CBS, DO NOT do the ESPN-style split screen to show Zion if he is on the bench during game play.

I want to see the game on my FULL SCREEN.

Use the Zion cam for instructional analysis of iso on Zion and how he impacts the game, but only during stoppage in play. Use it for multiple angles of incrdible SC top 10 type plays.

BandAlum83
03-22-2019, 10:09 AM
Cold weather people know how to adapt...I cooked lamb chops outside at -9Fahrenheit in January, a personal record, though we decided to eat inside.

There was actually a discussion?

I'd be like: let's eat in Tampa!

BandAlum83
03-22-2019, 10:15 AM
As for Duke in this game, let's hope we continue to see an aggressive Tre Jones. It's not just about avoiding the negative effect of opposing defenses leaving him alone to clog up actions elsewhere; it's that he's actually an efficient creator, as you might expect from a highly-rated PG and Stones family member. If we continue to see more Tre creation and less Cam creation (as in the ACC championship game), I think Duke's offense will be in a good place.

That doesn't mean that Cam won't randomly get hot and win us a game in this tournament as he did, for example, in the game at Florida State. But on a game-to-game basis, I can't see preferring Cam creation to Tre creation. Cam should try to be 3-and-D. And Tre has to continue to be aggressive.

On a serious note, a question for the great analysts out here.

It seems to me that "aggressive Tre Jones" emerges during games that so much defensive collapse on Zion creates driving lanes for Tre that are not htere at other times.

It seems Tre has the ability to read the opponents game-plan (probably with help from the coaching staff) and recognize what theD is giving him. that's when we see more of the straight line drives, floater, layups and pull up jumpers.

Am I reading too much into this, or is this the case?

NSDukeFan
03-22-2019, 11:04 AM
As for Duke in this game, let's hope we continue to see an aggressive Tre Jones. It's not just about avoiding the negative effect of opposing defenses leaving him alone to clog up actions elsewhere; it's that he's actually an efficient creator, as you might expect from a highly-rated PG and Stones family member. If we continue to see more Tre creation and less Cam creation (as in the ACC championship game), I think Duke's offense will be in a good place.

That doesn't mean that Cam won't randomly get hot and win us a game in this tournament as he did, for example, in the game at Florida State. But on a game-to-game basis, I can't see preferring Cam creation to Tre creation. Cam should try to be 3-and-D. And Tre has to continue to be aggressive.


On a serious note, a question for the great analysts out here.

It seems to me that "aggressive Tre Jones" emerges during games that so much defensive collapse on Zion creates driving lanes for Tre that are not htere at other times.

It seems Tre has the ability to read the opponents game-plan (probably with help from the coaching staff) and recognize what theD is giving him. that's when we see more of the straight line drives, floater, layups and pull up jumpers.

Am I reading too much into this, or is this the case?

My impression is that in the ACCT, instead of Tre debating whether to shoot the open 3 or move the ball, like he had been in many games, he was attacking as soon as he got the ball. Even if he was given a bunch of space, it didn’t matter. As soon as the ball was passed to Tre he was going towards the basket and creating offense for himself and his teammates. It certainly worked well in the ACCT.

Neals384
03-22-2019, 11:14 AM
How do most of you guys feel about the one and dones? I know Coach K was hesitant to go that route but it seems you have to now days.

I personally think the NBA needs to get rid of that and let these guys play.

Now you've done it. This is the one topic that causes DBR threads to go off the rails.:cool: Seriously, welcome aboard, After today we will be Bison fans!

Troublemaker
03-22-2019, 11:26 AM
On a serious note, a question for the great analysts out here.

It seems to me that "aggressive Tre Jones" emerges during games that so much defensive collapse on Zion creates driving lanes for Tre that are not htere at other times.

It seems Tre has the ability to read the opponents game-plan (probably with help from the coaching staff) and recognize what theD is giving him. that's when we see more of the straight line drives, floater, layups and pull up jumpers.

Am I reading too much into this, or is this the case?

No, personally I don't believe that to be the case. I've always thought that it was overstated how much Zion helps his teammates offensively. It *could* be true with a completely different set of teammates -- one composed of shooters -- but with this particular set, he doesn't help all that much. Everyone packs it in against Duke to stop Zion, and coincidentally, a clogged lane is also how you make RJ less efficient, Tre less efficient, and how you force turnovers from Cam if he doesn't stay in a 3-and-D role. If Duke were built like the Milwaukee Bucks (surrounding Giannis with lots of shooters, most of whom can't create themselves), *then* Zion would "make his teammates better" to a much greater extent on offense.

Now, does Zion make Duke's offense better? Absolutely, but that's because he's a 76% shooter from 2-pt range and is perhaps the best finisher in traffic ever (i.e. he scores despite clogged lanes and despite how poorly Duke fits together on offense), not because of his effect on teammates, per se. And, of course, Zion does "make his teammates better" on defense and in transition offense.

Back to Tre. Against FSU, he decisively attacked poor closeouts on ball movement and attacked dropping bigs in pick-n-roll for midrange shots. And he was, of course, aggressive in transition. If these opportunities continue to present themselves, hopefully he continues to take them.

bbosbbos
03-22-2019, 11:38 AM
Woke up very early this morning. Few hours to go.

Lets Go Duke!

Neals384
03-22-2019, 12:48 PM
I just hope he doesn’t have to use the restroom during the game...

There goes my coffee - all over keyboard:rolleyes:

Neals384
03-22-2019, 12:55 PM
From what perspective? If we're talking about winning national titles, Villanova recently has 2 with multi-year players. So not every program has to. (And with the limited number of OADs annually, only one or two programs can be built on that, anyway.)

*Coach K* probably *does* have to because at his age (72 years), it's easier to promise recruits he'll be here next year rather than the next 4 years. Also, his succession plan likely involves a former Duke player taking over -- the Duke Brotherhood continues -- and recruiting hopefully continuing to go well if the NBA is packed with former Duke players, many in starring roles like Kyrie Irving and maybe Jayson Tatum and hopefully Zion Williamson. Coach K is trying to make the "Duke Brotherhood" bigger than himself.

Wait! Surely K is going to stay 4 more years to coach grandson Michael!

uh_no
03-22-2019, 01:05 PM
Wait! Surely K is going to stay 4 more years to coach grandson Michael!

as places like UNC and Connecticut found out, though, taking the best available former player at the time may not be the right answer. Would we be willing to accept 10 years of mediocrity waiting until the right former player is available or becomes apparent instead of hiring someone who could be right right now?

wavedukefan70s
03-22-2019, 01:13 PM
Hope we are focused today.this may be a away game more than I thought.
They showed a lady in a duke shirt on the scoreboard and the booing was strong .

proelitedota
03-22-2019, 01:20 PM
Hope we are focused today.this may be an away game more than I thought.
They showed a lady in a duke shirt on the scoreboard and the booing was strong .

UVA fans sticking around to cheer against us?

wavedukefan70s
03-22-2019, 01:26 PM
UVA fans sticking around to cheer against us?

They play next after ole miss finishes being beat.a lot of baby blue here.

proelitedota
03-22-2019, 01:42 PM
They play next after ole miss finishes being beat.a lot of baby blue here.

Wow such losers.

wavedukefan70s
03-22-2019, 01:46 PM
Wow such losers.
Would guess a 100 or double that.

MChambers
03-22-2019, 01:49 PM
Would guess a 100 or double that.

They entered Columbia instead of Columbus in their navigation program?

uh_no
03-22-2019, 01:53 PM
They entered Columbia instead of Columbus in their navigation program?

taking navigation instructions from charles barkeley, perhaps.

Bob Green
03-22-2019, 01:58 PM
But Duke's going to be sharp and will pull away in the first half. Why? Duke's trying to make up for lost time -- Zion's injury and the games he missed. We're still a team that's trying to re-integrate our star player in Zion (and now also a role player in Marques).

I agree we are going to be sharp and pull away in the first half. As for why, I'm not disagreeing with Troublemaker's points but I will add an additional one - the team desires to send a message to the rest of the field and the only way to do that is with a dominating performance.

Examples:

1. 3/15/2001 Duke 95, Monmouth 52
2. 3/19/2010 Duke 73, Arkansas Pine Bluff 44
3. 3/20/2015 Duke 85, Robert Morris 56

That is the type performance I expect to see starting at 7:10 pm tonight.

bbosbbos
03-22-2019, 02:06 PM
They entered Columbia instead of Columbus in their navigation program?

This is the sad reality.

BandAlum83
03-22-2019, 02:07 PM
I agree we are going to be sharp and pull away in the first half. As for why, I'm not disagreeing with Troublemaker's points but I will add an additional one - the team desires to send a message to the rest of the field and the only way to do that is with a dominating performance.

Examples:

1. 3/15/2001 Duke 95, Monmouth 52
2. 3/19/2010 Duke 73, Arkansas Pine Bluff 44
3. 3/20/2015 Duke 85, Robert Morris 56

That is the type performance I expect to see starting at 7:10 pm tonight.

Can we hold the Bison to under 50 points with this lock down defense of ours? I'd like to see that.

fan345678
03-22-2019, 02:20 PM
My impression is that in the ACCT, instead of Tre debating whether to shoot the open 3 or move the ball, like he had been in many games, he was attacking as soon as he got the ball. Even if he was given a bunch of space, it didn’t matter. As soon as the ball was passed to Tre he was going towards the basket and creating offense for himself and his teammates. It certainly worked well in the ACCT.

Especially against FSU, it looked like Tre was doing some prodding, dribbling in and out to see when/where they might pick him up. I think his first priority was to see if his penetration would soften their D on the other guys, and when it didn't, our guys started moving around a little and he could get to the basket. It was fun to see him try to soften up the defense.

Nick
03-22-2019, 03:51 PM
Bad news: a scheduling conflict may keep Zion out of tonight's game (https://sports.theonion.com/zion-williamson-in-panic-after-realizing-game-falls-on-1833493330):


COLUMBIA, SC—Frantically pacing and weighing the fallout of skipping the game, Duke forward Zion Williamson was panicking Friday after realizing his NCAA tournament game against North Dakota State falls on the same night as his theater club’s production of In The Heights. “Oh man, oh man, I can’t believe this is happening. I don’t wanna miss the game, but that club is my passion, and I made a promise to this cast,” said Williamson, revealing that Duke’s “amazing theater club” was perhaps the deciding factor that drove him to enroll at the university. “I know RJ [Barrett] and Tre [Jones] will be upset if I skip out, but that club is like my family—they were the first friends I made on campus. We’ve been rehearsing this for months now; I know all my lines and I just got all my blocking down. And the show will be a total train wreck without me. Cory is my understudy for a reason—there’s absolutely no way he can handle the role of Graffiti Pete.” At press time, Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski was telling Williamson to forget about what everyone else wanted and follow his heart.

OldPhiKap
03-22-2019, 04:08 PM
Bad news: a scheduling conflict may keep Zion out of tonight's game (https://sports.theonion.com/zion-williamson-in-panic-after-realizing-game-falls-on-1833493330):

Man, same problem as the dude in Dodgeball had between the match and cheerleading.

Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.

AGDukesky
03-22-2019, 04:20 PM
Man, same problem as the dude in Dodgeball had between the match and cheerleading.

Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.

Zion’s theatre rival broke every single bone in his body when he fell off a roller coaster!?

proelitedota
03-22-2019, 05:17 PM
About an hour till tip off. Butterflies!

jv001
03-22-2019, 05:19 PM
If Zion doesn't play tonight and we were to lose, can you imagine the stuff he would hear for a long time. I'm glad the young man is torn over having to miss the Theatre play, but I would think his friendship with the team would out weigh missing the game. I'm glad it's his decision not mine. GoDuke!

It's not April 1st is it. GoDuke!

AGDukesky
03-22-2019, 05:22 PM
If Zion doesn't play tonight and we were to lose, can you imagine the stuff he would hear for a long time. I'm glad the young man is torn over having to miss the Theatre play, but I would think his friendship with the team would out weigh missing the game. I'm glad it's his decision not mine. GoDuke!

It's not April 1st is it. GoDuke!

You might want to acquaint yourself with The Onion

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 05:22 PM
If Zion doesn't play tonight and we were to lose, can you imagine the stuff he would hear for a long time. I'm glad the young man is torn over having to miss the Theatre play, but I would think his friendship with the team would out weigh missing the game. I'm glad it's his decision not mine. GoDuke!

It's not April 1st is it. GoDuke!

It's not April 1st but the Onion is, how shall I say, fake news.

jv001
03-22-2019, 05:24 PM
You might want to acquaint yourself with The Onion

Fake news, I got it. Lots of that going around. Thanks for that info. GoDuke!

OldPhiKap
03-22-2019, 05:25 PM
It's not April 1st but the Onion is, how shall I say, fake news.

Dude. It’s on the Internet. Therefore it is true.

QED.

jacone21
03-22-2019, 05:30 PM
Remember when you would be lucky to see 12 minutes of Duke's first round game before CBS cut away?

NSDukeFan
03-22-2019, 05:31 PM
Should we start a Zion theatre vigil? Would that take some onions?

OldPhiKap
03-22-2019, 05:33 PM
Remember when you would be lucky to see 12 minutes of Duke's first round game before CBS cut away?

Hell, I remember listening to the Mississippi Valley State game on radio because it wasn’t televised in Durham. (Or, at least that’s how I remember it 33 years later).

These are better days!!

bundabergdevil
03-22-2019, 05:37 PM
Man, same problem as the dude in Dodgeball had between the match and cheerleading.


..and that Oz had in American Pie choosing between the lacrosse match and jazz choir competition.

proelitedota
03-22-2019, 05:37 PM
I think if I was the coach of NDSU, my gameplan would be.

Defense:
1. Leave the 3 line unguarded.
2. Triple team Zion every time he has the ball.
3. FOUL FOUL FOUL. FOUL hard. They have depth to keep up with the fouling.
4. Flop every time one of our players drive into the paint and initiate contact.

Offense:
1. Chuck a 3 given even the smallest of separation.

If Zion / RJ isn't able to get anything inside due to the officiating, and we are cold as usual from outside, we can be beat.

MChambers
03-22-2019, 05:41 PM
I think if I was the coach of NDSU, my gameplan would be.

Defense:
1. Leave the 3 line unguarded.
2. Triple team Zion every time he has the ball.
3. FOUL FOUL FOUL. FOUL hard. They have depth to keep up with the fouling.

Offense:
1. Chuck a 3 given even the smallest of separation.

If Zion / RJ isn't able to get anything inside due to the officiating, and we are cold as usual from outside, we can be beat.

This team is usually a poor shooting team and has lost exactly one game with all of its starters playing. Yes, it can be beaten, but is extremely unlikely to happen tonight.

OldPhiKap
03-22-2019, 05:42 PM
..and that Oz had in American Pie choosing between the lacrosse match and jazz choir competition.

Or that I had this morning, between going to work or going back to sleep.

Edouble
03-22-2019, 05:42 PM
I think if I was the coach of NDSU, my gameplan would be.

Defense:
1. Leave the 3 line unguarded.
2. Triple team Zion every time he has the ball.
3. FOUL FOUL FOUL. FOUL hard. They have depth to keep up with the fouling.

Offense:
1. Chuck a 3 given even the smallest of separation.

If Zion / RJ isn't able to get anything inside due to the officiating, and we are cold as usual from outside, we can be beat.

Triple teaming Zion is not a good plan. Tre and RJ are both excellent driving to the basket.

I wouldn't chuck threes, because on every miss, we'll be off and running.

I don't remember Zion ever having trouble getting points inside due to officiating.

proelitedota
03-22-2019, 05:45 PM
I don't remember Zion ever having trouble getting points inside due to officiating.

When he is cold from the stripe. :rolleyes:

WHOneedsSOX
03-22-2019, 05:49 PM
Triple teaming Zion is not a good plan. Tre and RJ are both excellent driving to the basket.

I wouldn't chuck threes, because on every miss, we'll be off and running.

I don't remember Zion ever having trouble getting points inside due to officiating.

I think the only way they have a chance, barring major injuries, is if they outscore Duke by 20 from the 3 point line. If they want to trade 2's, Duke should beat them handily.

But why am I so nervous still????

proelitedota
03-22-2019, 05:57 PM
But why am I so nervous still????

Chaos gods hasn't claimed a victim yet. Hope we get spared! :rolleyes:

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AGDukesky
03-22-2019, 06:16 PM
Playing right into ND State’s hands

WHOneedsSOX
03-22-2019, 06:17 PM
Playing right into ND State’s hands

Too many 3's. Way too many.

Phredd3
03-22-2019, 06:17 PM
We cannot settle for threes in offense. We need to pound it inside.

AGDukesky
03-22-2019, 06:18 PM
Stiupid start that I predicted

devildeac
03-22-2019, 06:18 PM
So much for that fast start for Duke anyway :eek:.

BigZ
03-22-2019, 06:18 PM
Stop shooting 3s

WHOneedsSOX
03-22-2019, 06:20 PM
I'm going to go ahead and say this is nerves.

arnie
03-22-2019, 06:20 PM
So much for that fast start for Duke anyway :eek:.

We have 0 offensive rebounds cause we’ve made no effort hit the offensive glass. Out rebounded 9-4.

slower
03-22-2019, 06:21 PM
Goldwire in, Reddish out already. Sadly, not surprising.

accfanfrom1970
03-22-2019, 06:21 PM
I still don’t understand how we don’t understand that every time down the court Zion should touch the ball.

whereinthehellami
03-22-2019, 06:21 PM
I'd like to see some ball movement on offense, let everyone touch it.

Phredd3
03-22-2019, 06:22 PM
Goldwire in, Reddish out already.

Weirdly, Goldwire makes us more efficient on offense, since his usage rate is practically nil.

AGDukesky
03-22-2019, 06:27 PM
Settled in but still not sharp on offense

DUKIE V(A)
03-22-2019, 06:29 PM
Our defense is beginning to assert itself. Hope Barrett’s ankle does not turn out to be a nagging injury.

whereinthehellami
03-22-2019, 06:29 PM
No injuries. PLEASE!

AGDukesky
03-22-2019, 06:37 PM
Some very unlucky rolls or the margin would be 8

duke4ever19
03-22-2019, 06:38 PM
Some very unlucky rolls or the margin would be 8

Yeah, several point-blank misses on layups and putbacks.

arnie
03-22-2019, 06:38 PM
Settled in but still not sharp on offense

Except for Zion close in shots have been timid. Bolden, Barrett and Cam need to go harder to the basket.

whereinthehellami
03-22-2019, 06:38 PM
Dang that is some good defense.

Offense is starting to settle down.

Need to extend the lead.

WHOneedsSOX
03-22-2019, 06:41 PM
Here comes the big question mark, Duke's offense against a zone defense. Hopefully they've had enough practice against Syracuse.

jipops
03-22-2019, 06:43 PM
Here comes the big question mark, Duke's offense against a zone defense. Hopefully they've had enough practice against Syracuse.

Duke’s offense against any defense is a big question mark.

slower
03-22-2019, 06:44 PM
Reddish, with the charge. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course.

Phredd3
03-22-2019, 06:44 PM
Reddish, with the charge. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course.

When is he going to learn to pull up?

WHOneedsSOX
03-22-2019, 06:45 PM
When is he going to learn to pull up?

Not this year. Have we seen him take a single pull up 3-5 footer all season?

sweetchiba51
03-22-2019, 06:45 PM
How cam reddish is first round draft pick I have no idea. He can't shoot, he turns the ball over a ton, and every drive to the basket is a charge.

dukelifer
03-22-2019, 06:47 PM
Not this year. Have we seen him take a single pull up 3-5 footer all season?

This is about as bad a half as I have seen Duke play. Just amazing

WHOneedsSOX
03-22-2019, 06:47 PM
This is about as bad a half as I have seen Duke play. Just amazing

Rj and Cam are no shows. Not a good half by RJ. And not a good month from Cam.

AGDukesky
03-22-2019, 06:49 PM
Guy fouls Jones 3!times on that drive and gets the call

Steven43
03-22-2019, 06:49 PM
Rj and Cam are no shows. Not a good half by RJ. And not a good month from Cam.

R.J. is getting some nice rebounds and both he and Cam are playing solid defense.

dukelifer
03-22-2019, 06:49 PM
Rj and Cam are no shows. Not a good half by RJ. And not a good month from Cam.

No words for what is happening. Hopefully they get their acts together

AGDukesky
03-22-2019, 06:50 PM
This is just a case of everything going right one team

slower
03-22-2019, 06:50 PM
No words for what is happening. Hopefully they get their acts together

There are LOTS of words for what is happening. There's nothing new going on here. They can survive this garbage against a 16 seed - but not much beyond that.

AOC time?

dukelion
03-22-2019, 06:51 PM
Concerning that nobody even has confidence in even attempting a three......uurrrgghh

arnie
03-22-2019, 06:51 PM
This is about as bad a half as I have seen Duke play. Just amazing

Defensively the effort is there with the occasional lapse. Offensively we’re just lost, probably time to try O’Connell for a few threes.

WHOneedsSOX
03-22-2019, 06:55 PM
R.J. is getting some nice rebounds and both he and Cam are playing solid defense.

Yeah, RJ has starting to play better. Getting some easier shots.

bludevil_33
03-22-2019, 06:55 PM
This is just a case of everything going right one team

Not really. NDSU isn't even playing all that well.

dukelifer
03-22-2019, 06:56 PM
Concerning that nobody even has confidence in even attempting a three...uurrrgghh

Guess who had confidence

kako
03-22-2019, 06:56 PM
Nice time for JGold to hit a 3!

9F

TruBlu
03-22-2019, 06:56 PM
And Goldwire is our best 3 point shooter this half.

Phredd3
03-22-2019, 06:57 PM
Goldwire for three? Really? Happy it went in.

dukelion
03-22-2019, 06:57 PM
Not really. NDSU isn't even playing all that well.

Agreed....man if this happens against a more capable VCU\UCF we'd be down double digits.

rsvman
03-22-2019, 06:57 PM
Not really. NDSU isn't even playing all that well.

Agree with this. Their shooting has been terrible. They have one guy who is playing well.

DUKIE V(A)
03-22-2019, 06:57 PM
Would love to see more post feeds to Zion (and Barrett). Love the defense. NDSU is a quality team, but they are beginning to get worn down.

fgb
03-22-2019, 06:58 PM
Yeah, RJ has starting to play better. Getting some easier shots.

it's frustrating that most, if not all, of rj's bad shots have come early in the shot clock.

Steven43
03-22-2019, 06:58 PM
I’m liking Goldwire more and more.

rsvman
03-22-2019, 06:58 PM
Goldwire for three? Really? Happy it went in.

He made one from the corner after the whistle just earlier, too.

rsvman
03-22-2019, 07:00 PM
We can't shoot.

Same as all year. We need to go inside more. They have no size.

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 07:02 PM
With as poorly as we played, we still outscored them 26-15 after the under 16. The defense has been stifling; just need the offense to come together a little more.

kako
03-22-2019, 07:02 PM
For the 2nd half, need to be patient and get it inside. Don't settle for the outside shot. On defense, keep it up... but watch for their adjustment and be prepared to counter it. Don't let Shahid beat you.

9F

scottdude8
03-22-2019, 07:04 PM
Time to let out a deep breath. A team starting four freshman obviously came into this thinking they could run over an overmatched opponent. That doesn’t happen in the Big Dance. K will read them the riot act, they’ll start attacking inside, and things will look different in the second half.

Goldwire is the lone bright spot. His energy on D is infectious and his presence allows us to match up better against smaller teams. And him making a 3 is no small matter... even if he can shoot 20% out there that’ll change how teams defend him.

whereinthehellami
03-22-2019, 07:04 PM
Man alive, I am getting too old for this. Poor coach K he looked and sounded terrible in his interview.

The ACC really has laid an egg so far.

Steven43
03-22-2019, 07:05 PM
Honestly I would like to see O’Connell and Baker get some minutes. Duke needs to start hitting some 3’s or they’re not going to go very far in this tournament. If Duke wins this game the next opponent is going to hit quite a few 3’s. And if they don’t the next opponent will. Duke just has to start hitting some 3’s or someone will beat them. You can’t win the tournament with just 2’s anymore, especially when you’re a poor FT-shooting team. It seems like Duke and Kedsy — as much as he is usually right — are the only ones who don’t recognize this.

Wildling
03-22-2019, 07:05 PM
Well, that was impressive..... I guess when you can't shoot, every game is going to be eventful.

follyblue
03-22-2019, 07:05 PM
Defense looks good. Shots aren’t falling. I think we are good.

proelitedota
03-22-2019, 07:06 PM
NDSU hits 3s, Idk what we're going to do.

bludevil_33
03-22-2019, 07:08 PM
Defense looks good. Shots aren’t falling. I think we are good.


Shots haven't been falling for weeks, though. I'm not super concerned about this game as I don't think NDSU has the firepower to break through our D, but going forward...

gocanes0506
03-22-2019, 07:08 PM
NDSU is showing every team what needs to be done to give us a hard time. Pack it in and make us shoot. Not that it is new news.

summerwind03
03-22-2019, 07:10 PM
The fact that they outrebounded us is frustrating.

DUKIE V(A)
03-22-2019, 07:10 PM
I am an AOC fan, but I would prefer continuing to play our best defenders and emphasize getting the ball inside more to Zion and Barrett. Wear them down and get to the line. I also like the idea of pressing to speed them up a bit.

I give NDSU credit. They are managing to get deep into their shot clock without giving up live ball turnovers. Well coached team. They played a quality half. Still, we could have gotten more balls inside. Zion has been open. Throw the ball up and let him get it.

fgb
03-22-2019, 07:11 PM
Honestly I would like to see O’Connell and Baker get some minutes. Duke needs to start hitting some 3’s or they’re not going to go very far in this tournament. If Duke wins this game the next opponent is going to hit quite a few 3’s. And if they don’t the next opponent will. Duke just has to start hitting some 3’s or someone will beat them. You can’t win the tournament with just 2’s anymore, especially when you’re a poor FT-shooting team. It seems like Duke and Kedsy — as much as he is usually right — are the only ones who don’t recognize this.

we don't need to make 3s, we just need to make shots.

taking mostly shots we're likely to make would be a start.

Phredd3
03-22-2019, 07:12 PM
To me, is isn't that we can't shoot, it's that we can't pass. We have 5 assists and 4 TOs. It's very hard to play isolation ball against the pack line. You have to drive and kick, multiple times per possession, if necessary. If we can pass, we'll get open looks and hit the shots.

CDu
03-22-2019, 07:13 PM
The team played that first half too sloppily on offense. Defense has been solid sine the early minutes. But the offense has been disappointing. Reddish and Barrett too easily settling for jumpers.

Some credit to NDSU for initial denial defense, but our guys are just not being patient and organized to create better shots. Hopefully they settle down and water finds its level in the second half.

dukelion
03-22-2019, 07:13 PM
Shots haven't been falling for weeks, though. I'm not super concerned about this game as I don't think NDSU has the firepower to break through our D, but going forward...

This

We're basically a 25% team from three right now......It's our downfall 100% no question in this tourney.

dukelifer
03-22-2019, 07:13 PM
The fact that they outrebounded us is frustrating.

Almost no second shots. They play good fundamental ball. Duke can beat them if they work the ball inside. No idea why this is not obvious to the players on the floor.

jipops
03-22-2019, 07:15 PM
Enough of this halfcourt crap. Pressure the ball and run. This will never be a halfcourt team.

-jk
03-22-2019, 07:16 PM
Enough of this halfcourt crap. Pressure the ball and run. This will never be a halfcourt team.

Unfortunately, March is half-court time...

-jk

gep
03-22-2019, 07:16 PM
The team played that first half too sloppily on offense. Defense has been solid sine the early minutes. But the offense has been disappointing. Reddish and Barrett too easily settling for jumpers.

Some credit to NDSU for initial denial defense, but our guys are just not being patient and organized to create better shots. Hopefully they settle down and water finds its level in the second half.

Not watching... only gametracker scores. Offense sounds like pick-up at the local Y...:confused:

Wildling
03-22-2019, 07:20 PM
Is there a reason Cam has decided to drop his head and drive to the hole regardless of who's in front of him? Has the coaching staff told him this is what they want him to do on offense? I just don't get what he's doing when he get's the ball in his hands. Over and over and over again, he drives to the hole and turns it over. Rarely is anything positive happening when he does this. And I'm being generous when I say rarely...... Anyone else confused by this?

Phredd3
03-22-2019, 07:22 PM
Anyone else confused by this?
Everyone else is confused by this.

slower
03-22-2019, 07:23 PM
Zion.

Just. Give. Him. The. Damn. Ball.

TruBlu
03-22-2019, 07:25 PM
Zion.

Just. Give. Him. The. Damn. Ball.

And get out of the way!

AGDukesky
03-22-2019, 07:25 PM
That was fun

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 07:25 PM
Update: Duke has Zion; North Dakota State does not.

arnie
03-22-2019, 07:25 PM
Zion.

Just. Give. Him. The. Damn. Ball.

Well that didn’t take too long😀

sweetchiba51
03-22-2019, 07:26 PM
That was one of the best plays I've seen all year. Holy crap

duke4ever19
03-22-2019, 07:26 PM
NDSU hits 3s, Idk what we're going to do.

Deep breaths, proelitedota. You're doing enough hand-wringing for all of us.

whereinthehellami
03-22-2019, 07:27 PM
Zion! Zion! Zion!

Wildling
03-22-2019, 07:27 PM
Everyone else is confused by this.

Ok, so it's not just me,lol.


Zion.

Just. Give. Him. The. Damn. Ball.

Holy..........wow..............just wow!

slower
03-22-2019, 07:27 PM
Zion may have arrived at his "I'm not gonna let the rest of you spoil this for me" moment.

Steven43
03-22-2019, 07:29 PM
See how good it felt when Cam hit me that three? And Zion.....oh lord.

WHOneedsSOX
03-22-2019, 07:31 PM
Reddish dinged up now??

slower
03-22-2019, 07:31 PM
We are witnessing greatness. We'll never see anything like him again.

Steven43
03-22-2019, 07:32 PM
Bolden got fouled

Wildling
03-22-2019, 07:32 PM
Zion may have arrived at his "I'm not gonna let the rest of you spoil this for me" moment.

I believe you're right. He's got that Jordan mentality of give me the damn ball and get out of the way....

AGDukesky
03-22-2019, 07:33 PM
Bolden got fouled

That call was so ridiculous

Sixthman
03-22-2019, 07:33 PM
Why can’t the announcers pronounce Bison?

aimo
03-22-2019, 07:34 PM
What was the remark about Coach K not being in the best of health? Did I miss something?

WHOneedsSOX
03-22-2019, 07:35 PM
I believe you're right. He's got that Jordan mentality of give me the damn ball and get out of the way...
If he gets a decent shot and a right hand in the nba, he's going to be unstoppable.

Bigwayne17
03-22-2019, 07:35 PM
Why can’t the announcers pronounce Bison?

A couple days ago I looked at NDSU’s wiki page...it did state that their mascot is pronounced “Bi-Z-on”.

WHOneedsSOX
03-22-2019, 07:37 PM
Bolden banged up too?? Talking to the trainer off the bench.

InSpades
03-22-2019, 07:38 PM
Are these really the same teams that played the 1st half? Duke looks like an entirely different team. Love it!

TruBlu
03-22-2019, 07:39 PM
What was the remark about Coach K not being in the best of health? Did I miss something?

He has been under the weather lately. Sounded hoarse at the halftime interview.

Wildling
03-22-2019, 07:39 PM
Ok, now I feel better.....

Steven43
03-22-2019, 07:40 PM
R.J. got UP!

InSpades
03-22-2019, 07:43 PM
55% from the field, 40% from 3, only 4 turnovers. Things can really turn around in 8 minutes or so...

slower
03-22-2019, 07:43 PM
Ok, now I feel better....

Yeah, that was an amazing explosion. Wow.

Gotta give Cam his props. When he's confident and is set up properly, he's deadly.

Sixthman
03-22-2019, 07:43 PM
A couple days ago I looked at NDSU’s wiki page...it did state that their mascot is pronounced “Bi-Z-on”.

Fair enough. Thanks!

CDu
03-22-2019, 07:44 PM
Water found its level...

whereinthehellami
03-22-2019, 07:44 PM
Everyone getting involved now.

This is fun, how it should be versus a 16.

rsvman
03-22-2019, 07:44 PM
I have no rational explanation for how this team can look so bad and then look so good. It's like two different teams.
We've seen it all season long. Jekyll and Hyde. It's baffling.

TruBlu
03-22-2019, 07:44 PM
Just FYI, i wasn’t happy with the first half, so despite an upset stomach, I broke out the Canadian blended whisky. You’re welcome. The sacrifices I make.

slower
03-22-2019, 07:44 PM
I have no rational explanation for how this team can look so bad and then look so good. It's like two different teams.
We've seen it all season long. Jekyll and Hyde. It's baffling.

Haven't you heard? We're a second-half team. :p

jipops
03-22-2019, 07:45 PM
I have no rational explanation for how this team can look so bad and then look so good. It's like two different teams.
We've seen it all season long. Jekyll and Hyde. It's baffling.

They look very good on offense now. Mostly because they are running. When it is strictly a halfcourt game like the 1st half was this team struggles.

Phredd3
03-22-2019, 07:48 PM
Just FYI, i wasn’t happy with the first half, so despite an upset stomach, I broke out the Canadian blended whisky. You’re welcome. The sacrifices I make.

Luck of the Ottowans? It seemed to work, so your sacrifice is appreciated by all, I'm sure.

Steven43
03-22-2019, 07:48 PM
Does anyone know what percentage of hookshots Bolden has hit this year? Kedsy?

Wildling
03-22-2019, 07:50 PM
Yeah, that was an amazing explosion. Wow.

Gotta give Cam his props. When he's confident and is set up properly, he's deadly.

Agreed! I like the Cam that is the sharp shooter. I do not like the Cam that likes to pull a Clyde Drexler...

CDu
03-22-2019, 07:50 PM
Does anyone know what percentage of hookshots Bolden has hit this year? Kedsy?

I would guess a pretty high percentage.

rsvman
03-22-2019, 07:50 PM
I would really like to see Joey Baker get a few minutes of ncaa action. Tonight would be a good time to make that happen.
With Jack unavailable it makes sense, too.
I hope coach K makes that happen.

arnie
03-22-2019, 07:56 PM
I would guess a pretty high percentage.

I would guess the opposite. He is much better when he lays it up off the glass.