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pfrduke
03-18-2019, 04:43 PM
We did this last year (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?41665-NCAA-2018-Tournament-Map) (although due to scheduling issues I likely will not be able to do game-by-game updates this season). The more detailed explanation is in last year's thread, but the general principle is that each county in the country is assigned to the 68 NCAA tournament teams by geographic proximity (distance from home arena to geographic center of the county) and then the map consolidates as the games are played (winning team takes losing team's land). Here's the starting map for 2019. Duke has the smallest area by population and third smallest (ahead of only Iona and St. John's) by land area and number of counties - only means there's a lot of land out there for the taking.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7927/46691618874_6ca269cb01_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e8YKzC)

Acymetric
03-18-2019, 04:46 PM
Is Duke the smallest starting territory? Are there any teams with no​ counties due to their proximity to multiple other local schools?

Wahoo2000
03-18-2019, 04:52 PM
Is St. Mary's really closer to Hawaii than UC Irvine? Seems counter-intuitive.

pfrduke
03-18-2019, 04:55 PM
Is Duke the smallest starting territory? Are there any teams with no​ counties due to their proximity to multiple other local schools?

St. John's and Iona are smaller by area (and number of counties).

No, all 68 teams get land on this map.

pfrduke
03-18-2019, 04:57 PM
Is St. Mary's really closer to Hawaii than UC Irvine? Seems counter-intuitive.

By about 130 miles. Hawaii is actually more relatively west than south from the California coast, so the fact that St. Mary's starts so much further west makes the difference.

Acymetric
03-18-2019, 04:57 PM
Is St. Mary's really closer to Hawaii than UC Irvine? Seems counter-intuitive.

PVAMU/Houston also feels strange to me. I suspect it would make more sense if I bothered to understand great circle distance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great-circle_distance#Computational_formulas) (which is used to calculate who "owns" each county) fully which is probably the cause for the "weirdness".

pfrduke
03-18-2019, 04:59 PM
PVAMU/Houston also feels strange to me. I suspect it would make more sense if I bothered to understand great circle distance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great-circle_distance#Computational_formulas) (which is used to calculate who "owns" each county) fully which is probably the cause for the "weirdness".

Great Circle distance is just as the crow flies, but accounting for the curve of the earth.

Acymetric
03-18-2019, 04:59 PM
St. John's and Iona are smaller by area (and number of counties).

No, all 68 teams get land on this map.

Which ones are our nomadic tribes this year?

CrazyNotCrazie
03-18-2019, 04:59 PM
Iona, Seton Hall, St. John's and Fairleigh Dickinson are all extremely close together, with Yale not too far away either, but there are a lot of people in that small area. But I don't think they are in as close proximity as Duke, UNC and NCCU. Duke will multiply its footprint many times over with a win in the first round.

Acymetric
03-18-2019, 05:01 PM
Great Circle distance is just as the crow flies, but accounting for the curve of the earth.

Now that I've actually bothered to see where PVAMU is located on a map that one makes more sense now. Seeing the island of red at the southern tip just felt weird at first but of course it is because it is further west (towards Houston).

sagegrouse
03-18-2019, 05:02 PM
Hah! California, an athletically oriented state with a population of 40 million and a gross domestic product bigger than all but four countries, is represented in the NCAAs by the Anteaters and the Gaels.

DukieInKansas
03-18-2019, 05:03 PM
I'm surprised the NCCU gets more territory than Duke. But, if they are taking area away from unc, I'm ok with that.

devildeac
03-18-2019, 05:08 PM
I'm surprised the NCCU gets more territory than Duke. But, if they are taking area away from unc, I'm ok with that.

I'm surprised the cheats don't own at least some property in the 48169 zip code.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan

BD80
03-18-2019, 05:23 PM
I'm surprised the cheats don't own at least some property in the 48169 zip code.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan

Where in Hell is the 48169 zip code?

uh_no
03-18-2019, 05:32 PM
I'm surprised the NCCU gets more territory than Duke. But, if they are taking area away from unc, I'm ok with that.

such is the problem when you're sandwiched between two other schools.

Is duke the only school which doesn't control the land in which it exists (or more generally, are duke and NCCU the only schools which come from the same county?)

pfrduke
03-18-2019, 05:33 PM
I'm surprised the NCCU gets more territory than Duke. But, if they are taking area away from unc, I'm ok with that.

By being ever so slightly more southeast in Durham County, NCCU gets all the land in that direction that would otherwise have been Duke's. One or two counties might have been UNC's but for the Eagles being included, but for the most part we lost counties to them (and we can get them back Friday).

pfrduke
03-18-2019, 05:33 PM
such is the problem when you're sandwiched between two other schools.

Is duke the only school which doesn't control the land in which it exists (or more generally, are duke and NCCU the only schools which come from the same county?)

UNC does not own Orange County - Cameron is slightly closer to its center than the Dean Dome.

pfrduke
03-18-2019, 05:34 PM
such is the problem when you're sandwiched between two other schools.

Is duke the only school which doesn't control the land in which it exists (or more generally, are duke and NCCU the only schools which come from the same county?)

Also, Temple and Villanova are both in Philadelphia County, and Temple controls that one.

devildeac
03-18-2019, 05:35 PM
Where in Hell is the 48169 zip code?

Yes.

9179

Reilly
03-18-2019, 06:34 PM
UNC does not own Orange County ...

I believe whoever bought the right to collect PJ Hairston's unpaid parking tickets actually owns Orange County -- or at least has the most money on paper.

Turk
03-18-2019, 06:56 PM
Also, Temple and Villanova are both in Philadelphia County, and Temple controls that one.

Minor clarification: Villanova is in suburban Delaware County, about 5 miles outside the Philly city limits, and is the only one of the Big Five (six if you count Drexel, also D-1) not located within the city proper.

pfrduke
03-18-2019, 07:06 PM
Minor clarification: Villanova is in suburban Delaware County, about 5 miles outside the Philly city limits, and is the only one of the Big Five (six if you count Drexel, also D-1) not located within the city proper.

Ah yes, right you are. Last year when the Pavilion was under construction and they played all home games in the Wells Fargo Center, I had them in mind as a truly in-Philadelphia team. But since they were back in the Pavilion as their main home* this season, they moved back out of the county.

*11 home games at the Pavilion vs. 5 at Wells Fargo

CrazyNotCrazie
03-18-2019, 08:02 PM
Minor clarification: Villanova is in suburban Delaware County, about 5 miles outside the Philly city limits, and is the only one of the Big Five (six if you count Drexel, also D-1) not located within the city proper.

You are correct about this though I think St Joe’s is split fairly evenly between Philly and Lower Merion, which is Montgomery County. I think the Philly side is considered the heart of campus so it is considered a Philly school. And I think the basketball arena is in Philly but I’m not sure. All of this is moot this year but who can resist a discussion of Philly geography?

BD80
03-18-2019, 08:11 PM
Minor clarification: Villanova is in suburban Delaware County, about 5 miles outside the Philly city limits, and is the only one of the Big Five (six if you count Drexel, also D-1) not located within the city proper.

You rarely hear the word "proper" used in reference to Philadelphia, and never correctly.

pfrduke
03-19-2019, 11:02 PM
Fairleigh extends into the Texas prairie

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7809/33548562768_21594c5b6a_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/T7z9U1)

pfrduke
03-19-2019, 11:35 PM
Belmont takes Philly

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7849/46509455455_4d413a35e9_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dRT7K2)

Tappan Zee Devil
03-20-2019, 10:23 PM
Fairleigh extends into the Texas prairie

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7809/33548562768_21594c5b6a_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/T7z9U1)

that is Fairleigh ridiculous

pfrduke
03-20-2019, 11:40 PM
Bison storm eastern NC

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7815/33555804178_394687960b_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/T8dgvU)

pfrduke
03-20-2019, 11:45 PM
Sun Devils take Long Island

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7821/33555830938_2d9d813151_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/T8dpth)

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 01:15 AM
Not going to catch up game by game, but here's how the map looks after day 1 of tournament play:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7884/46524151135_4bf1260be8_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dTbrfP)

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 03:18 PM
Covering today's games more one by one - the B1G has been making lots of land grabs.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7854/46720508824_58547cc9c5_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ebwPyd)

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 03:20 PM
Oklahoma consolidates land to the east:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7850/46720508964_2079047de9_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ebwPAC)

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 03:56 PM
Raiders raid the Norse:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7893/32502073797_279de5f333_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Rw6CbH)

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 04:22 PM
Zot! Zot! Zot!

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7885/46720841804_dc784818a7_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ebywxf)

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
03-22-2019, 04:23 PM
Antraters taking hold in the Midwest!

throatybeard
03-22-2019, 04:51 PM
Anteaters taking hold in the Midwest!


We'll probably have fire ants after a few more years of global warming!

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 05:19 PM
Putting a T in upstate NY:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7805/32502527537_26631993b9_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Rw8X4P)

-jk
03-22-2019, 05:19 PM
We'll probably have fire ants after a few more years of global warming!

Which school is that?

-jk

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 05:19 PM
Unlike last year, Virginia takes land from the dogs:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7925/33568165508_5a12552fb8_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/T9iC7h)

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 06:31 PM
Bulls in the desert for the second season in a row:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7836/46529259075_b1d5471ea5_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dTCBEK)

Phredd3
03-22-2019, 06:40 PM
Sure looks like we're about to see Mallards in the Midwest.

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 06:44 PM
Of course it's a team from the worst major conference that breaks the Big 10's streak.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7827/32502888097_dd11d3ed47_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RwaNfn)

Acymetric
03-22-2019, 06:45 PM
Sure looks like we're about to see Mallards in the Midwest.

Finally, my first correct upset pick of the tourney not counting 8/9 games (and the last upset left on my bracket...I don't think I've ever whiffed on every single upset before).

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 10:38 PM
Large upper midwest land grab #1:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7911/33569516988_17c3ef93da_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/T9qxRE)

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 10:40 PM
Large upper Midwest land grab #2 (plus we get Durham County back):

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7801/46722460374_93e009c858_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ebGPFC)

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 10:41 PM
Cougars go down to Georgia

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7819/46530281425_5dd493d2e0_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dTHRzt)

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 10:42 PM
Mississippi State Flames out

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7886/47445504151_8360efb692_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fhABpD)

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
03-22-2019, 10:43 PM
These are so cool. Sporks!!!

pfrduke
03-22-2019, 11:27 PM
Oh well. At least it's a tiny sliver of land. You can practically ignore it.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7822/47445756731_755ab5cdbd_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fhBUut)

pfrduke
03-23-2019, 12:04 AM
Central Florida takes central Virginia

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7826/46722862824_ce185be326_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ebJTjq)

pfrduke
03-23-2019, 12:05 AM
Iowa (State) goes gray

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7856/46530687775_6812435ff9_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dTKWnv)

pfrduke
03-23-2019, 12:31 AM
Hokies gobble up St. Louis (gonna go ahead and call it)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7866/46722973434_d8c6a1abb4_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ebKscu)

pfrduke
03-23-2019, 02:57 PM
LSU takes the territory where it will play next weekend.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7900/40484433373_2c56864d4e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24FtizX)

pfrduke
03-23-2019, 09:11 PM
Catching up on the afternoon - Kentucky:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7812/47399395702_6daab6338d_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fdwhYo)

pfrduke
03-23-2019, 09:11 PM
Michigan:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7885/47452343521_428dd7d6bc_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ficEvP)

pfrduke
03-23-2019, 09:12 PM
And FSU:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7895/32510599427_b4d953d9b4_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RwRjyk)

pfrduke
03-24-2019, 01:34 AM
Halfway through the round of 32. I'm traveling much of tomorrow but will get the Sweet 16 map up at the end of the day.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7829/33577382568_11cb820fa0_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Ta7S27)

pfrduke
03-25-2019, 01:35 AM
Sweet 16 - very happy to see Duke on the map, lots of ACC presence, but too much baby blue!

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7890/40495739273_0293d27bc5_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24Gtfrg)

Saratoga2
03-25-2019, 06:54 AM
Sweet 16 - very happy to see Duke on the map, lots of ACC presence, but too much baby blue!

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7890/40495739273_0293d27bc5_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24Gtfrg)

Sweet 16 settled and the following:

ACC 5 in
SEC 4 in
Big 10 3 in
Pac 12 1 in
Big 12 1 in
West Coast 1 in
? Houston

gocanes0506
03-25-2019, 07:05 AM
Sweet 16 settled and the following:

ACC 5 in
SEC 4 in
Big 10 3 in
Pac 12 1 in
Big 12 1 in
West Coast 1 in
? Houston

Houston is AAC

uh_no
03-25-2019, 10:28 AM
Houston is AAC

exactly. ??? :D

gocanes0506
03-25-2019, 10:38 AM
exactly. ??? :D

AAC is a pretty solid league. Their a lot of big names coaching there and almost every school has significantly increased their spending budgets on the big 2 sports over the last 4 years.

DukieInKansas
03-25-2019, 10:44 AM
AAC is a pretty solid league. Their a lot of big names coaching there and almost every school has significantly increased their spending budgets on the big 2 sports over the last 4 years.

Isn't there another school in that conference that plays pretty good basketball? The school with the 7'6" player and the great coach? UCF - yeah, that's the one. ;)

eta - should have quoted uh_no instead of the answer to uh_no.

uh_no
03-25-2019, 10:52 AM
AAC is a pretty solid league. Their a lot of big names coaching there and almost every school has significantly increased their spending budgets on the big 2 sports over the last 4 years.

like kevin ollie! oh wait...

were the AAC solid, Uconn wouldn't be able to dominate it like they have....oh wait...

(as an aside...Dan hurley has the team headed the right direction. it was nice to see a team play with some purpose on the floor, even if they didn't have the athletes. I like to think they'll be a bit better if he can get some players in there)

throatybeard
03-25-2019, 01:54 PM
Hokies gobble up St. Louis

Between toasted ravioli, pork steak, and gooey butter cake, that's a lot of indigestion.

budwom
03-25-2019, 01:58 PM
I admit that I don't fully understand the methodology, but how FSU ends up acquiring Vermont is beyond me....have lived here most of my life and have never encountered a single FSU fan..

Tripping William
03-25-2019, 02:00 PM
I admit that I don't fully understand the methodology, but how FSU ends up acquiring Vermont is beyond me...have lived here most of my life and have never encountered a single FSU fan..

Florida State defeated Vermont in the tournament. That's how the "land acquisition" works in this graphic.

Wander
03-25-2019, 02:01 PM
I admit that I don't fully understand the methodology, but how FSU ends up acquiring Vermont is beyond me...have lived here most of my life and have never encountered a single FSU fan..

They "take over" Vermont when they beat Vermont in the first round. I have no idea why this methodology is even the slightest bit interesting, but at least a couple posters seem to like it.

wilson
03-25-2019, 02:08 PM
Between toasted ravioli, pork steak, and gooey butter cake, that's a lot of indigestion.Hey now, let's not forget that Provel-slathered monstrosity they call pizza.

pfrduke
03-28-2019, 09:49 PM
Zags return the favor of last year's FSU land grab

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7827/40523642363_f6cfe4cb24_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24JWg42)

pfrduke
03-28-2019, 10:00 PM
Boiler Up

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7818/40523696953_1698e61f8f_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/24JWxhe)

pfrduke
03-29-2019, 12:05 AM
Raider beat down

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7868/46574916465_4fb7435f35_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dXEC28)

crimsondevil
03-29-2019, 12:20 AM
Texas Tech looks like they're trying to encircle UNC in the West.

pfrduke
03-29-2019, 12:36 AM
Quack no more

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7879/47437418562_b5f90c3fbf_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fgTaQW)

wilson
03-29-2019, 08:27 AM
Quack no more

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7879/47437418562_b5f90c3fbf_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fgTaQW)I'm certainly glad that Virginia marches on, but I'm sad that Donald Duck is gone.

devildeac
03-29-2019, 09:53 AM
I'm certainly glad that Virginia marches on, but I'm sad that Donald Duck is gone.

That's damn funny because when our 3 year old granddaughter saw the commercial last week with a buncha mascots, she just giggled as she pointed out Donald Duck in the group.:D

BandAlum83
03-29-2019, 04:41 PM
That's damn funny because when our 3 year old granddaughter saw the commercial last week with a buncha mascots, she just giggled as she pointed out Donald Duck in the group.:D

Ever notice the the Blue Devil is being very studious and taking notes, while the duck is taking selfies?

throatybeard
03-29-2019, 05:08 PM
Hey now, let's not forget that Provel-slathered monstrosity they call pizza.

Trying to everyday. I'm vegan; I don't eat any of this garbage.

throatybeard
03-30-2019, 12:57 PM
Quack no more

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7879/47437418562_b5f90c3fbf_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2fgTaQW)

After last night,

Duke is having a hard time racking up territory, adding western Virginia, a generally Mississippi State/Bama sort of area, and Greater Gooey Butter Cake.

But look at Auburn!

dukie’s_daughter
03-30-2019, 01:18 PM
My view still has a disgustingly large amount of that pale ( sickly) shade of blue with a “stinky sheep” in the middle of it🤢😖

-jk
03-30-2019, 02:00 PM
My view still has a disgustingly large amount of that pale ( sickly) shade of blue with a “stinky sheep” in the middle of it🤢😖

Need to use your imagination until pfr gets it updated.

-jk

devildeac
03-30-2019, 02:03 PM
Need to use your imagination until pfr gets it updated.

-jk

I can always imagine a nation without t*r h**ls.

BandAlum83
03-30-2019, 02:59 PM
Even once the map is updated, we haven't had the opportunity to grab up much land. Let's take down MSU, and the map will begin to look a lot prettier shade of blue!

pfrduke
03-31-2019, 02:19 AM
Sorry for the delay in updating, but now down to 6 and completely free of baby blue!

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7822/46588980725_b4a63e1fc5_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dYUGQn)

OldPhiKap
03-31-2019, 07:47 AM
down to 6 and completely free of baby blue!


Our long, National nightmare tmare is finally over.

Acymetric
03-31-2019, 03:32 PM
Not a very diverse color set for the remaining teams...

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
03-31-2019, 03:56 PM
Not a very diverse color set for the remaining teams...

Need to erase that green...

BD80
03-31-2019, 05:00 PM
Looking forward to blue the rest of the way

pfrduke
03-31-2019, 05:07 PM
Auburn moves on in dark blue (needed to add some contrast into all the orange)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7916/46786009524_e3628d9e5d_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2ehjwCC)

pfrduke
04-01-2019, 01:06 PM
Sigh. Worst map of the tourney. Two years in a row we were on it with 5 teams left but not with 4.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7825/32573839647_cecbd44661_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RCrrEX)

pfrduke
04-09-2019, 11:34 AM
Closing the loop with the Saturday games:

https://live.staticflickr.com/7857/46848589104_d9978a7d53_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2enRgmU)

https://live.staticflickr.com/7918/46848589044_366cae9084_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2enRgkS)

pfrduke
04-09-2019, 11:35 AM
And your national champion:

https://live.staticflickr.com/7855/46848589834_c7a2ec54e2_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2enRgzu)