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-jk
03-17-2019, 05:57 PM
Hoping for #1 overall, DC region!

-jk

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 05:59 PM
Crossing my fingers Michigan doesn’t end up our number 2 for my own sanity. With that heartbreaking loss I’m betting it won’t end up that way considering Michigan is likely (not correctly in my mind, but likely) the bottom 2 seed. Hoping to heck I’m wrong.

toughbuff1
03-17-2019, 06:00 PM
Hoping for #1 overall, DC region!

-jk

Agreed, that would awesome! I'd love another shot at Kansas, hope they're in our region.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 06:01 PM
It's finally time! Biggest question is who lands on the 1 line...I don't even think there's that much bubble drama this year.

DU82
03-17-2019, 06:02 PM
Go Central!

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 06:02 PM
So we either rematch with VCU or play Johnny Dawkins' team.

fisheyes
03-17-2019, 06:03 PM
Va Tech in our bracket as a four?
Seriously?

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 06:03 PM
Didn’t want to see UCF as a matchup, especially if Bolden isn’t ready. That’s a potential tougher than expected second round matchup.

toughbuff1
03-17-2019, 06:04 PM
Does that mean 9 ACC teams?

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 06:04 PM
Va Tech in our bracket as a four?
Seriously?

Doesn't that violate one of the rematch rules for same conference/multiple matchups in the year already?

wavedukefan70s
03-17-2019, 06:05 PM
Hoping for #1 overall, DC region!

-jk

You got it.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 06:05 PM
3 ACC 1 seeds with MSU getting a 2...

fisheyes
03-17-2019, 06:05 PM
Michigan State?
Killer bracket

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 06:05 PM
Oh my god they gave us MSU!!! What a break. We match up great against them. My heart can rest!

flyingdutchdevil
03-17-2019, 06:06 PM
Oh my god they gave us MSU!!! What a break. We match up great against them. My heart can rest!

Agreed.

Love this bracket.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 06:06 PM
Oh my god they gave us MSU!!! What a break. We match up great against them. My heart can rest!

I agree with this. They're a good team and Izzo is a good coach but they aren't the type of team that gives us trouble this year.

jwillfan
03-17-2019, 06:07 PM
K owns Izzo

Given we have NCCU, Maryland, VaTech in our bracket I was sure we'd get Kentucky as the 2

BigZ
03-17-2019, 06:08 PM
LSU is the scariest team in the bracket.

AGDukesky
03-17-2019, 06:08 PM
So MSU has to be the 6th overall at best

DU82
03-17-2019, 06:08 PM
So, (my guess) after an all-Durham match-up 4 hours away, we’ll get Johnny D., then a revenge game against VT, and a Spartan team that historically we own. I’ll take it. IC is probably already complaining about Kevin White being on the committee.

Ballboy1998
03-17-2019, 06:09 PM
Possible match-up with a 4-seed V-Tech in DC with their best player finally back from injury is a total junk draw for the supposed #1 overall.

OldPhiKap
03-17-2019, 06:09 PM
I like our bracket. LGD!!!

MChambers
03-17-2019, 06:09 PM
K owns Izzo

I'd say MSU is a stronger #2 than Michigan or Tennessee. I don't understand why they're in Duke's bracket. But Duke and MSU each have to win 3 games before that matchup would occur.

And I know K has been great against Izzo, but I always worry that the trend will reverse.

flyingdutchdevil
03-17-2019, 06:09 PM
LSU is the scariest team in the bracket.

LSU doesn’t have a coach...

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 06:09 PM
Yup, Tre can focus entirely on Cassius. If McQuaid gets hot from 3 we sick Goldwire on him. They aren’t deep so Zion can get them in foul trouble. And they don’t have the length to guard RJ, let alone Zion. Honestly I’m most nervous about a potential Va Tech matchup.

I gotta think they’re cursing in East Lansing right now which makes me smile, haha

devildeac
03-17-2019, 06:10 PM
LSU is the scariest team in the bracket.

Let's see if anyone Wades into this discussion.

Devilwin
03-17-2019, 06:10 PM
Good bracket for us..I like it.:cool:

jwillfan
03-17-2019, 06:10 PM
Possible match-up with a 4-seed V-Tech in DC with their best player finally back from injury is a total junk draw for the supposed #1 overall.

I like it - revenge game with Zion and maybe Bolden back on a neutral court.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 06:10 PM
So MSU has to be the 6th overall at best

Behind Duke, Virginia, Gonzaga, xnc, and Tennessee I guess? Listed in order (my prediction).

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 06:10 PM
Possible match-up with a 4-seed V-Tech in DC with their best player finally back from injury is a total junk draw for the supposed #1 overall.

I was SEMI shocked to see this. IF tech can get to the second week and has a good 70/80 minutes to re-integrate robinson, that's a pretty big deal. Not as big as Duke having Zion back, but IMO, VT with a healthy and integrated robinson is more like a 2-seed.

AGDukesky
03-17-2019, 06:10 PM
Possible match-up with a 4-seed V-Tech in DC with their best player finally back from injury is a total junk draw for the supposed #1 overall.

Agreed, I do not like that matchup

Duke76
03-17-2019, 06:10 PM
So MSU has to be the 6th overall at best

Va Tech scares me a little with justin robinson back

MChambers
03-17-2019, 06:10 PM
Possible match-up with a 4-seed V-Tech in DC with their best player finally back from injury is a total junk draw for the supposed #1 overall.

Agreed. Makes little sense. VT could have been a 3, according to KenPom and T-Rank.

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 06:11 PM
I'd say MSU is a stronger #2 than Michigan or Tennessee. I don't understand why they're in Duke's bracket. But Duke and MSU each have to win 3 games before that matchup would occur.

And I know K has been great against Izzo, but I always worry that the trend will reverse.

Only justification is gonna be location. Gonzaga has to be the No. 1 out West with Michigan as No. 2, and they’ll justify putting Michigan there because of worst location preference.

Calling my shot here!

curtis325
03-17-2019, 06:11 PM
Not a scary bracket.

Just win baby!

KandG
03-17-2019, 06:11 PM
I can live with MSU as our 2 seed. But LSU and full strength Virginia Tech make me nervous. Could have been worse though, and this Duke team is more than good enough to get past all of them.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 06:11 PM
Possible match-up with a 4-seed V-Tech in DC with their best player finally back from injury is a total junk draw for the supposed #1 overall.

Probably the worst part of our draw, I love it otherwise.

OldPhiKap
03-17-2019, 06:11 PM
Yay, UVA is Columbia!! That means the Heels are not!!!!!


Best news of the day.

AGDukesky
03-17-2019, 06:11 PM
Behind Duke, Virginia, Gonzaga, xnc, and Tennessee I guess? Listed in order (my prediction).

Yup with Tenn and Gonzaga in the west in some order

DU82
03-17-2019, 06:11 PM
And the cheaters and their Wal-Mart fans are not in Columbia!

House G
03-17-2019, 06:11 PM
LSU is the scariest team in the bracket.

I will echo this—I think they will handle Sparty.

duke4ever19
03-17-2019, 06:12 PM
Yay, UVA is Columbia!! That means the Heels are not!!!!!


Best news of the day.

Yes sir! No icky blue this weekend!

fisheyes
03-17-2019, 06:12 PM
Best quote from a coach on hearing that they might play Duke:

NC Central coach: Us playing Zion Williamson would be like my 6-year-old son playing me

El_Diablo
03-17-2019, 06:12 PM
UVA is in our pod rather than UNC.

Rich
03-17-2019, 06:12 PM
I don’t like being in the same bracket as Va Tech, especially with Justin Robinson back. I’d much rather prefer playing a team that doesn’t routinely play against us and knows our system.

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 06:12 PM
My Hoos #1 in the south (louisville). Please not KY as our #2, thanks.

kako
03-17-2019, 06:13 PM
A lot of storylines for Duke...

Weird that VaTech is a 4 in our regional. But I'm fine with it.

Happy to play again in SC. Zionmania could be in full force.

NCCU may not be scared of Duke, but we should take them if they advance.

VCU would be a revenge game for 2007.

UCF would be playing against JD.

I'm also fine with the bottom half of the bracket. I wouldn't choose to see Ville again. Nobody really scares me, as it should be. But though Duke matches up well with MSU, but don't discount Sparty. They are getting better as the season progresses.

9F

devildeac
03-17-2019, 06:13 PM
Best quote from a coach on hearing that they might play Duke:

NC Central coach: Us playing Zion Williamson would be like my 6-year-old son playing me

We know the NCCU coach from his middle school coaching days. He's a great/funny guy.

brevity
03-17-2019, 06:14 PM
LSU is the scariest team in the bracket.


LSU doesn’t have a coach...


Let's see if anyone Wades into this discussion.

You were so close! The joke is “Let’s see if anyone Will Wade into this discussion.”

Wander
03-17-2019, 06:16 PM
LSU is the scariest team in the bracket.

They're going to lose to Yale. So many of the upper power conference teams are overrated this year.

AGDukesky
03-17-2019, 06:16 PM
UVA with an easy half of its region to make the Sweet 16 and the other half is not difficult although Villanova is always dangerous

flyingdutchdevil
03-17-2019, 06:16 PM
Tough lower bracket for UVA...

Tripping William
03-17-2019, 06:16 PM
My Hoos #1 in the south (louisville). Please not KY as our #2, thanks.

You got your wish. UT-K instead. Guessing UK goes West.

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 06:16 PM
Ohhhh Virginia is not gonna be happy getting Tennessee! They’re the perfect type of team to take down Virginia, senior led with a dominant inside scorer.

We definitely got a better draw than the Wahoos in everything except potentially the 4 seed.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 06:17 PM
UVA got a great draw...maybe even better than ours. The other two brackets are going to be murder.

flyingdutchdevil
03-17-2019, 06:18 PM
Ohhhh Virginia is not gonna be happy getting Tennessee! They’re the perfect type of team to take down Virginia, senior led with a dominant inside scorer.

We definitely got a better draw than the Wahoos in everything except potentially the 4 seed.

UVA should easily get to the E8. After that, it’ll be a toooooough game.

CameronDuke
03-17-2019, 06:18 PM
Do NOT look past NC Central/North Dakota State. And should Duke advance to the 2nd round, absolutely do NOT look past UCF or VCU. Coach K vs Johnny Dawkins would be cool and VCU won 16 games in the A10 this year and are about 10-11 deep while pressing for most of the game. Duke’s bracket to me is manageable but obviously some major hurdles exist between now and getting to the final four. One at a time!

kako
03-17-2019, 06:20 PM
For a team that wasn't going to get a bid unless they won their conference, I'm surprised that St. Mary's got an 11 seed. I guess a lot of teams are like Oregon, stealing bids. Doesn't look good for NCSU or Clemson.

I also noticed the geographic issues that Davis pointed out. Unfair, but life's unfair.

9F

OldPhiKap
03-17-2019, 06:20 PM
My Hoos #1 in the south (louisville). Please not KY as our #2, thanks.

Good draw for the Cavs, although the bottom half of that bracket is brutal.

kako
03-17-2019, 06:22 PM
On Friday, we are all Gaels!

9F

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 06:23 PM
Good draw for the Cavs, although the bottom half of that bracket is brutal.

Luckily, we'll only have to play one of those teams. And honestly, by the elite 8, even if you didn't *think* a team is that good, they're obviously *playing* that good by that point.

fisheyes
03-17-2019, 06:23 PM
Auburn takes out UNC!

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 06:24 PM
The significance of this cannot be overstated, IMO:

The ACC got the #1, #2, and #3 OVERALL seeds.

Just bonkers.

AGDukesky
03-17-2019, 06:24 PM
Like Auburn in UNCs bracket and Kansas always gives them trouble and will be in Kansas City

Dr. Rosenrosen
03-17-2019, 06:24 PM
Cheats get Kentucky as 2?

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 06:25 PM
Wow Seth calling the potential Kansas City road game for UNC... I thinks Auburn is gonna burn out so that matchup seems likely to me, and would suck for the Tar Heels!

flyingdutchdevil
03-17-2019, 06:26 PM
UNC’s bracket is just brutal. Duke fans can not complain.

AGDukesky
03-17-2019, 06:26 PM
I’m liking UNC’s region a lot!

godins
03-17-2019, 06:27 PM
Fletcher Magee raining 3s over Kenny Williams in the Elite 8 -- you can bank on it.

kako
03-17-2019, 06:27 PM
UK has a cakewalk to the Elite 8.

9F

AZLA
03-17-2019, 06:27 PM
Was just about to expect a UNC cakewalk but then dang the Midwest is STACKED, wow.

hibby91
03-17-2019, 06:27 PM
Kansas is not good

AGDukesky
03-17-2019, 06:28 PM
UK has a cakewalk to the Elite 8.

9F

Nice reverse jinx!

DU82
03-17-2019, 06:28 PM
Good draw for the Cavs, although the bottom half of that bracket is brutal.

UVA, should they make it that far, only has to play one of the teams in the bottom of the bracket.

Dr. Rosenrosen
03-17-2019, 06:28 PM
Gonzaga, UM and Texas Tech as top three seeds in west will be really tough.

ChrisP
03-17-2019, 06:29 PM
Does Carolina have another ACC team in their region? We got 2! And good ones at that!

AGDukesky
03-17-2019, 06:30 PM
Gonzaga clearly the 1 out West

BigZ
03-17-2019, 06:30 PM
So does State get in ?

ndkjr70
03-17-2019, 06:30 PM
The significance of this cannot be overstated, IMO:

The ACC got the #1, #2, and #3 OVERALL seeds.

Just bonkers.

I think the ACC got the 1, 2, and 4 seeds. Gonzaga stays in the West region regardless.

kako
03-17-2019, 06:30 PM
So does State get in ?

Highly unlikely now. Oregon getting in was the dagger.

9F

fuse
03-17-2019, 06:31 PM
I’m no expert, beyond VT/Louisville I think we got as favorable a bracket as we could have expected.

Not enthused about the Johnny Dawkins led UCF team with Tacko Fall.

Ahead of seeing the West bracket, the South and Midwest are pretty loaded.
Guessing Gonzaga gets the 1 in the West with Michigan as the 2 and Texas Tech as either a 3 or 4. No easy road there either.

ndkjr70
03-17-2019, 06:31 PM
Does Carolina have another ACC team in their region? We got 2! And good ones at that!

They don’t, but they have a tough looking bracket. Didn’t want Kentucky, and I’m glad we didn’t get them.

South looks like the easiest to me.

DU82
03-17-2019, 06:31 PM
I think the ACC got the 1, 2, and 4 seeds. Gonzaga stays in the West region regardless.

I think the cheaters are the 3, so that if we play them in the tournament, it would be in the championship game.

ChrisP
03-17-2019, 06:31 PM
FSU going west, I guess?

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 06:33 PM
I think the ACC got the 1, 2, and 4 seeds. Gonzaga stays in the West region regardless.

They stated on the "Bracket HQ" show on CBSsports that UNC was the #3 overall. (and also that UVA was #2 overall).

flyingdutchdevil
03-17-2019, 06:34 PM
My lord, that’s an insanely tough bracket.

ChrisP
03-17-2019, 06:35 PM
FSU has to be liking their draw. Does 'Cuse have a chance against the Zags?

pfrduke
03-17-2019, 06:35 PM
The PAC 12 getting three teams is hot garbage.

bbosbbos
03-17-2019, 06:36 PM
VT? Why scared of that team? Just because they KOed us once? We will cut down the nets in April and we are not scared of anyone.

flyingdutchdevil
03-17-2019, 06:36 PM
FSU has to be liking their draw. Does 'Cuse have a chance against the Zags?

Cuse always has a chance. Teams hate facing zone Ds in the tournament.

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 06:36 PM
Only justification is gonna be location. Gonzaga has to be the No. 1 out West with Michigan as No. 2, and they’ll justify putting Michigan there because of worst location preference.

Calling my shot here!

Boom! Man Sparties are gonna be maaaaad that all they won today was a way tougher bracket than the Wolverines. Still stinging from that defeat but Michigan has a much better shot at ending up in the Final Four, so I can sleep well tonight!

Also called the 1-seeds correctly in my first official Bracketology attempt this morning, so not half bad consolation prizes if I had to get my heartbroken, hahaha.

AGDukesky
03-17-2019, 06:36 PM
Te PAC 12 getting three teams is hot garbage.

OMG just realized that, what a joke!

kako
03-17-2019, 06:36 PM
The PAC 12 getting three teams is hot garbage.

3? UW and Oregon...

9F

AZLA
03-17-2019, 06:37 PM
Strongest Brackets IMO

1. Midwest
2. East
3. South
4. West

Glad to see ASU in the dance... Bobby

Wow I see Michigan having a favorable path

Tripping William
03-17-2019, 06:37 PM
No State. No Clemson.

AGDukesky
03-17-2019, 06:38 PM
Midwest is easily the hardest and South is easiest. The other two are pretty even...

AZLA
03-17-2019, 06:38 PM
FSU has to be liking their draw. Does 'Cuse have a chance against the Zags?

Yes and yes

kako
03-17-2019, 06:39 PM
3? UW and Oregon...

9F

Oh, yeah. ASU. Sorry Bobby, your team is not good. They may win in Dayton because somebody has to. But they aren't good.

9F

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 06:39 PM
A little hard to believe the Big 10 got more teams than the ACC this year.

pfrduke
03-17-2019, 06:39 PM
3? UW and Oregon...

9F

And Arizona State.

St. John’s as an at large is even worse. There’s no way that team deserved a bid.

gocanes0506
03-17-2019, 06:40 PM
Midwest is easily the hardest and South is easiest. The other two are pretty even...

West looks pretty easy. Midwest is the hardest but the South is a pretty tough bracket too.

Tooold
03-17-2019, 06:40 PM
B1G got 8 teams, ACC and SEC got 7. Is B1G deeper than ACC?

JetpackJesus
03-17-2019, 06:41 PM
I don't think I've actually watched the selection show in several years. Are the brackets usually announced this efficiently?

ndkjr70
03-17-2019, 06:41 PM
The South is almost laughably easy. Ironic: I was praying that we didn’t land in the south because I assumed we’d land Kentucky in Louisville. Now I wish we did get the south.

Devilwin
03-17-2019, 06:41 PM
Big 1O more in than the ACC???? How'd that happen??

jimsumner
03-17-2019, 06:41 PM
No State. No Clemson.

St. John's over NCSU surprises me.

If the ACC was good enough to get three No. 1 seeds, then shouldn't that elevate that conferences bubble teams?

wavedukefan70s
03-17-2019, 06:41 PM
B1G got 8 teams, ACC and SEC got 7. Is B1G deeper than ACC?

No I didnt think so anyway.florida state and the cuse could go deep on that side.

rdgilby
03-17-2019, 06:42 PM
It’s fine to leave Clemson and ncst out, better to see the cream of our crop on the national stage

Coballs
03-17-2019, 06:42 PM
3? UW and Oregon...

9F

Arizona State

dukelilsis
03-17-2019, 06:42 PM
3? UW and Oregon...

9F

Arizona State

ndkjr70
03-17-2019, 06:43 PM
I don't think I've actually watched the selection show in several years. Are the brackets usually announced this efficiently?

Never. What a breath of fresh air.

DU82
03-17-2019, 06:44 PM
It’s fine to leave Clemson and ncst out, better to see the cream of our crop on the national stage

Sorry, it’ll be 6-1. Iona follows UMBC to make more history.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 06:44 PM
I don't think the middle of the ACC pack got enough credit for conference strength this year...5 top 16 seeds and only 2 in the bottom 52?

gocanes0506
03-17-2019, 06:45 PM
The South is almost laughably easy. Ironic: I was praying that we didn’t land in the south because I assumed we’d land Kentucky in Louisville. Now I wish we did get the south.

Doooo wuuuutttt??

UVA, Tennessee, the Big East Champ, Big 12 regular season champ, Purdue, AAC champ, Pac 12 champ, and potentially OU in the 2nd round.

UK was only going to be in Louisville as a number 1, not as a 2.

kako
03-17-2019, 06:46 PM
Never. What a breath of fresh air.

Definitely. It was much cleaner than recent years. No *drama*, no Barkley. Last year was the worst.

Loved that Davis said that nobody wants to hear what he has to say before the reveal. A Duke grad uses his intelligence haha

Kind of like a band past their prime plays a concert. You just want them to play the hits. CBS just showed the teams.

9F

ndkjr70
03-17-2019, 06:46 PM
Belmont’s best win was... Lipscomb.

Lipscomb.

The fact that they’re dancing instead of NCSU is a travesty.

gocanes0506
03-17-2019, 06:48 PM
Belmont’s best win was... Lipscomb.

Lipscomb.

The fact that they’re dancing instead of NCSU is a travesty.

Or awesome depending on your opinion of State.

Wander
03-17-2019, 06:48 PM
Belmont’s best win was... Lipscomb.

Lipscomb.

The fact that they’re dancing instead of NCSU is a travesty.

New rule: You score 24 points in a game and you're not allowed to complain about not getting in.

slower
03-17-2019, 06:49 PM
The broadcast team has it together this year - nice. Also, Muir from Stanford was impressive.

Coballs
03-17-2019, 06:49 PM
The committee chairman just said that Michigan State "leapfrogged" Kentucky today. If MSU was ahead of UK, how did they get placed in the region with us?!?! How does that make sense?!?!

Tripping William
03-17-2019, 06:50 PM
So, the ACC only gets 7, but the Sweet 16 can conceivably have two all-ACC games: Duke/VPI and Cuse/FSU. Huh??

Tooold
03-17-2019, 06:50 PM
Is it unfair that Kansas plays in Kansas City if they make it to sweet 16? They seem to be the only team that would have basically a home game then. Of course since it’s UNC’s bracket, I don’t really care, it just seems unfair (again).

AZLA
03-17-2019, 06:51 PM
I don't think I've actually watched the selection show in several years. Are the brackets usually announced this efficiently?

Generally. Right about now is when they would cut to Vitale to opine about the bubble mid majors who didn’t get an invite or it would be Seth complaining about Tech missing out... but Seth is with ESPN and the selection committee is getting better

left_hook_lacey
03-17-2019, 06:52 PM
We have a cake walk. I have never felt more relieved after a selection show. It's ours to win. Just get it done.

UNC has a monster around every corner in their bracket. 😂

AZLA
03-17-2019, 06:52 PM
Is it unfair that Kansas plays in Kansas City if they make it to sweet 16? They seem to be the only team that would have basically a home game then. Of course since it’s UNC’s bracket, I don’t really care, it just seems unfair (again).

Real head scratcher there

kako
03-17-2019, 06:52 PM
Belmont’s best win was... Lipscomb.

Lipscomb.

The fact that they’re dancing instead of NCSU is a travesty.

State should have scheduled better out of conference. Play NCCU or UNCG. Somebody. They had too many cupcakes. Geez, travel and play a Pac-12 team!

9F

DangerDevil
03-17-2019, 06:53 PM
St. John's over NCSU surprises me.

If the ACC was good enough to get three No. 1 seeds, then shouldn't that elevate that conferences bubble teams?

I had the same thought!

slower
03-17-2019, 06:53 PM
Seth Davis is TINY.

Tooold
03-17-2019, 06:53 PM
Generally. Right about now is when they would cut to Vitale to opine about the bubble mid majors who didn’t get an invite or it would be Seth complaining about Tech missing out... but Seth is with ESPN and the selection committee is getting better
I think they started this method of efficiently announcing the brackets just last year. Before that they would draw it out for an hour. IDK but maybe people were starting to get the info via the internet and turning off CBS?

DangerDevil
03-17-2019, 06:54 PM
The committee chairman just said that Michigan State "leapfrogged" Kentucky today. If MSU was ahead of UK, how did they get placed in the region with us?!?! How does that make sense?!?!

I asked the same question?

AvlDukie
03-17-2019, 06:54 PM
The committee chairman just said that Michigan State "leapfrogged" Kentucky today. If MSU was ahead of UK, how did they get placed in the region with us?!?! How does that make sense?!?!

It doesn’t make sense! Isn’t the overall #1 seed supposed to be matched up with the overall #8 seed, which clearly appears to be Michigan. Sparty beat them THREE times!

nmduke2001
03-17-2019, 06:55 PM
Don’t sleep on New Mexico State. I think the best Auburn.

vb_dukefan
03-17-2019, 06:55 PM
Does anyone know where the team stays when in DC?

AZLA
03-17-2019, 06:55 PM
I think they started this method of efficiently announcing the brackets just last year. Before that they would draw it out for an hour. IDK but maybe people were starting to get the info via the internet and turning off CBS?

Good point. I liked watching cbs for announcing each region then jumping to espn for analysis while cbs was running commercials between regions.

DangerDevil
03-17-2019, 06:55 PM
Boom! Man Sparties are gonna be maaaaad that all they won today was a way tougher bracket than the Wolverines. Still stinging from that defeat but Michigan has a much better shot at ending up in the Final Four, so I can sleep well tonight!

Also called the 1-seeds correctly in my first official Bracketology attempt this morning, so not half bad consolation prizes if I had to get my heartbroken, hahaha.

I think I like the prospect of playing MSU better than Michigan but shouldn’t the two teams have been swapped to “reward” Michigan State?

TKG
03-17-2019, 06:57 PM
Clark Kellogg has Gonzaga as the National Champs; channeling his inner Len Elmore.

left_hook_lacey
03-17-2019, 06:58 PM
State should have scheduled better out of conference. Play NCCU or UNCG. Somebody. They had too many cupcakes. Geez, travel and play a Pac-12 team!

9F

Why? There are plenty of teams that dont do that and as long as you win enough regular season games, it doesn't matter.

kako
03-17-2019, 06:59 PM
Best selection show, maybe ever.


Jumping right into the brackets. Loved the last bit showing the overall rankings. Davis was very good this time - his comments on geography were great. No long interviews with coaches whining or saying they are just glad to be in. No TruTV promos. No Charles Barkley.

CBS, remember this for next year,.

9F

slower
03-17-2019, 06:59 PM
Clark Kellogg has Gonzaga as the National Champs; channeling his inner Len Elmore.

Clark is just a photogenic ex-player, not an overly bright fellow.

Tooold
03-17-2019, 06:59 PM
It doesn’t make sense! Isn’t the overall #1 seed supposed to be matched up with the overall #8 seed, which clearly appears to be Michigan. Sparty beat them THREE times!

Yes. They showed that MSU is #6 overall and Michigan is #8. So there is not a good reason for them to be in our bracket.

Seth just said that because they were #6 instead of #5, that allowed them to be in bracket with the #1 (maybe they only make sure that they don’t put #5 with #1, and they lump the next three together as “equal”

devildeac
03-17-2019, 07:00 PM
Auburn takes out UNC!

From your keyboard to...

kako
03-17-2019, 07:03 PM
Why? There are plenty of teams that dont do that and as long as you win enough regular season games, it doesn't matter.

The committee has stated they value strength of schedule out of conference. Plus State needed more Q1 wins. I wanted to see them in, but as teams stole bids in their conference tourneys, State's bubble popped. One could argue about St. John's, but they at least scheduled us. I don't think ASU should be in, though.

9F

AZLA
03-17-2019, 07:03 PM
Clark Kellogg has Gonzaga as the National Champs; channeling his inner Len Elmore.

Kellogg is my bellwether of whom not to pick

Tooold
03-17-2019, 07:04 PM
St. John's over NCSU surprises me.

If the ACC was good enough to get three No. 1 seeds, then shouldn't that elevate that conferences bubble teams?

The committee head said that NCState had opportunities to prove themselves and didn’t do it. Same with a couple others. And that gave the committee the “opportunity” to include more teams from other conferences. Paraphrasing.

wavedukefan70s
03-17-2019, 07:05 PM
Ok just a question where can I find out the practice schedule for Columbia? Not to hijack but I didnt want to start a thread.

jimsumner
03-17-2019, 07:05 PM
The committee head said that NCState had opportunities to prove themselves and didn’t do it. Same with a couple others. And that gave the committee the “opportunity” to include more teams from other conferences. Paraphrasing.

So much for the NET.

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 07:06 PM
It doesn’t make sense! Isn’t the overall #1 seed supposed to be matched up with the overall #8 seed, which clearly appears to be Michigan. Sparty beat them THREE times!

The committee itself says publically that better seeds when it comes to 1/2 get better location preference. That is more important than the S curve. So Michigan being the bottom 2 team got the worst location, being sent out West.

Not saying that it is right, but it is consistent with their “seeding principles”.

AvlDukie
03-17-2019, 07:07 PM
Yes. They showed that MSU is #6 overall and Michigan is #8. So there is not a good reason for them to be in our bracket.

Seth just said that because they were #6 instead of #5, that allowed them to be in bracket with the #1 (maybe they only make sure that they don’t put #5 with #1, and they lump the next three together as “equal”

The ESPN pundits are all asking the same question - why would you “reward” the best #2 seed, who some feel could/should have been a #1, by placing them in the same regional with the overall #1 seed (Duke)???

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 07:08 PM
Anybody have a link to the overall seed list? Interested to see where the 2-4 seeds were slotted overall by the committee.

Coballs
03-17-2019, 07:08 PM
So according to CBS the top 8 overall seeds are:
1-Duke
2-UVA
3-UNC
4-Zags
5-Vols
6-MSU
7-UK
8-UM

but the pairings by region are 1-6, 2-5, 3-7, 4-8. I'm fine with MSU in our region, but how do these pairings make any sense?

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 07:08 PM
The ESPN pundits are all asking the same question - why would you “reward” the best #2 seed, who some feel could/should have been a #1, by placing them in the same regional with the overall #1 seed (Duke)???

Again, location location location. It’s dumb, but it is consistent with what the NCAA has said it was going to do all along. We benefit (me on two fronts!) so I’m not complaining. MSU is a much better matchup for us than Michigan despite the head to head between the two.

MaxAMillion
03-17-2019, 07:08 PM
Why? There are plenty of teams that dont do that and as long as you win enough regular season games, it doesn't matter.

NC State's schedule is horrible and they get penalized for that when playing in a major conference. Schedule tougher games so you don't leave yourself open to be scratched off in the end.

freshmanjs
03-17-2019, 07:09 PM
The ESPN pundits are all asking the same question - why would you “reward” the best #2 seed, who some feel could/should have been a #1, by placing them in the same regional with the overall #1 seed (Duke)???

MSU is #6, not #5.

Rich
03-17-2019, 07:10 PM
So, the ACC only gets 7, but the Sweet 16 can conceivably have two all-ACC games: Duke/VPI and Cuse/FSU. Huh??

Well, Duke/VT would be chalk; Cuse/FSU would be quite unexpected.

Not crazy about playing VT because they know us and I always prefer playing a coach that hasn't seen our team in person. Buzz knows our system, but he hasn't seen Zion so I guess that's to our advantage. Plus I'm not sure which of the other 4 seeds I'd want more. Maybe Kansas this year, but not in Kansas City. That's a freaking joke, and it happens year after year. Fine, when they're a top seed I can forgive a home court advantage, but not as a 4. It couldn't have happened to a better opponent though (UNCH).

hsheffield
03-17-2019, 07:16 PM
They're going to lose to Yale. So many of the upper power conference teams are overrated this year.

I'm picking them too. Yale is playing well and LSU is embroiled in controversy

rocketeli
03-17-2019, 07:16 PM
St. John's over NCSU surprises me.

If the ACC was good enough to get three No. 1 seeds, then shouldn't that elevate that conferences bubble teams?

I'm wondering the same thing.

duke2x
03-17-2019, 07:23 PM
Don’t sleep on New Mexico State. I think the best Auburn.

They won 4/4 today. Teams that have done that, Duke included, tend to play poorly the first weekend.

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 07:29 PM
I've gotta say, I think this is the best job by the committee in YEARS. In most seasons, I feel like there are at least 2-3 egregious errors in either selection, seeding, or bracketing. I don't really see ANY of those this year.

Selection - You can argue MAYBE a team or two on the bubble SHOULD have been in/out, but not OBVIOUS screwups that are consensus opinions.
Seeding - A couple people out there complaining MSU should have been a #1 over the Zags, but it's OBVIOUSLY arguable (and REASONABLY arguable) either way.
Bracketing - I think the midwest is a tough region, but I don't really see ANY "bracket of death". Pretty good job balancing the regions overall.

TKG
03-17-2019, 07:33 PM
I've gotta say, I think this is the best job by the committee in YEARS. In most seasons, I feel like there are at least 2-3 egregious errors in either selection, seeding, or bracketing. I don't really see ANY of those this year.

Selection - You can argue MAYBE a team or two on the bubble SHOULD have been in/out, but not OBVIOUS screwups that are consensus opinions.
Seeding - A couple people out there complaining MSU should have been a #1 over the Zags, but it's OBVIOUSLY arguable (and REASONABLY arguable) either way.
Bracketing - I think the midwest is a tough region, but I don't really see ANY "bracket of death". Pretty good job balancing the regions overall.

And the committee maintained its sick sense of humor, Minnesota v. Louisville?

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 07:35 PM
I've gotta say, I think this is the best job by the committee in YEARS. In most seasons, I feel like there are at least 2-3 egregious errors in either selection, seeding, or bracketing. I don't really see ANY of those this year.

Selection - You can argue MAYBE a team or two on the bubble SHOULD have been in/out, but not OBVIOUS screwups that are consensus opinions.
Seeding - A couple people out there complaining MSU should have been a #1 over the Zags, but it's OBVIOUSLY arguable (and REASONABLY arguable) either way.
Bracketing - I think the midwest is a tough region, but I don't really see ANY "bracket of death". Pretty good job balancing the regions overall.

Yeah, the only team I see with a serious gripe is unc possibly facing Kansas in Kansas, and that's just the way things go sometimes (and I don't think Kansas makes it that far anyway).

Everything else is mostly quibbling (and I DO have some quibbles). I don't love Duke getting set up for a VT rematch in the Sweet 16, but then I look around at the 4 seeds, and they're all pretty tough except for Kansas so I'm not sure I'd have been happy with any of our potential 4 seeds.

I guess I understand why they were on the wrong side of the bubble but it is hard for me to accept that the Big 10 had more depth than the ACC. I think we should have gotten at least one more team in.

MChambers
03-17-2019, 07:36 PM
Clark Kellogg has Gonzaga as the National Champs; channeling his inner Len Elmore.

Kellogg seems like a nice guy, unlike Elmore.

kako
03-17-2019, 07:37 PM
And the committee maintained its sick sense of humor, Minnesota v. Louisville?

Yeah, I always think there is an occasional snicker every year behind those closed doors.

9F

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 07:45 PM
Yeah, the only team I see with a serious gripe is unc possibly facing Kansas in Kansas, and that's just the way things go sometimes (and I don't think Kansas makes it that far anyway).

Everything else is mostly quibbling (and I DO have some quibbles). I don't love Duke getting set up for a VT rematch in the Sweet 16, but then I look around at the 4 seeds, and they're all pretty tough except for Kansas so I'm not sure I'd have been happy with any of our potential 4 seeds.

I think the two bolded portions balance pretty well. Having to play Kansas in KC might be tough, but their relative weakness to the other 4s totally evens it out.

OldPhiKap
03-17-2019, 07:48 PM
I've gotta say, I think this is the best job by the committee in YEARS. In most seasons, I feel like there are at least 2-3 egregious errors in either selection, seeding, or bracketing. I don't really see ANY of those this year.

Selection - You can argue MAYBE a team or two on the bubble SHOULD have been in/out, but not OBVIOUS screwups that are consensus opinions.
Seeding - A couple people out there complaining MSU should have been a #1 over the Zags, but it's OBVIOUSLY arguable (and REASONABLY arguable) either way.
Bracketing - I think the midwest is a tough region, but I don't really see ANY "bracket of death". Pretty good job balancing the regions overall.

Agree (as usual). Nice balance.

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 07:48 PM
I guess I understand why they were on the wrong side of the bubble but it is hard for me to accept that the Big 10 had more depth than the ACC. I think we should have gotten at least one more team in.

Sorry - had a second thought on your post and broke it up into 2 responses.

The issue for both NCSU and Clemson is that the way the ACC was tiered (top/middle/bottom), they had some baaaaaad losses to the bottom tier and didn't make up for it with any wins vs the top tier. If you give Clemson or NCSU just one win over UVA/Duke/UNC/FSU I think they get it for sure. OR if you take away the dumb losses to teams like Wake and GT they're prob in as well.

*State also didn't do itself any favors with the noncon SOS. Can't imagine the committee EVER taking a bubble team with the absolute WORST noncon SoS in ALL of college basketball.

BlueDevil16
03-17-2019, 07:49 PM
Why did we get MSU who beat Michigan 3 times? Would have rather gotten Michigan, but Izzie chokes in March so I guess it evens out.

UrinalCake
03-17-2019, 07:51 PM
The NCCU coach had some awesome quotes yesterday about the prospect of playing Duke (before he knew that he would actually be in our bracket). Talk about karma! Of all the 2 seeds MSU is probably the one I’d choose to have to play. I do think they’re more than capable of beating us, but I’d feel more worried about the other three.

Two weeks ago I said that the path to the ACC getting three #1 seeds would require us losing the season finale without Zion (which would help the CHeats but not hurt us too much) and then a week later beating them and winning the ACCT with Zion coming back and dominating, proving that his injury was the main factor in our losses. That’s exactly how things played out.

Dr. Rosenrosen
03-17-2019, 07:52 PM
My 10 year old watching Luke Maye on bracketology just said he looks likes a shaved ape.

DU82
03-17-2019, 08:00 PM
My 10 year old watching Luke Maye on bracketology just said he looks likes a shaved ape.

You have done an outstanding job raising your children.

Ian
03-17-2019, 08:00 PM
The ACC really should thank Zion's injury for the 3 #1 seeds. Duke got to be a #1 after he came back so the losses didn't count against Duke, but UNC got 2 wins against a Zionless Duke and those wins counted for them.

CDu
03-17-2019, 08:00 PM
My 10 year old watching Luke Maye on bracketology just said he looks likes a shaved ape.

I am never comfortable with making fun of the appearance of players/people. Especially when they are barely older than kids.

UrinalCake
03-17-2019, 08:01 PM
Re:the ACC/B10: the ACC was loaded at the top, but the bottom was really week. I don’t think you can just compare total bids and say we should have gotten more just because you think our conference as a whole is better. The B10 probably feels like we were overrated by getting three #1’s.

UrinalCake
03-17-2019, 08:02 PM
My 10 year old watching Luke Maye on bracketology just said he looks likes a shaved ape.

A shaved ape wouldn’t have eyebrows that looked so hideous.

CDu
03-17-2019, 08:02 PM
The ACC really should thank Zion's injury for the 3 #1 seeds. Duke got to be a #1 after he came back so the losses didn't count against Duke, but UNC got 2 wins against a Zionless Duke and those wins counted for them.

Yep, if Zion is healthy it is very unlikely that both Duke and UNC get 1s.

BlueDevil16
03-17-2019, 08:15 PM
Michigan were the 8th overall team. Why did we not get them?

EKU1969
03-17-2019, 08:19 PM
I’m with Wander upthread...I have no problem with State not making it to the Dance...they scored 24 points ( 24 POINTS!) in a MBB game at home! All things considered (SOS, etc) I find that disqualifying. Just my opinion.

weezie
03-17-2019, 08:22 PM
A shaved ape wouldn’t have eyebrows that looked so hideous.

A shaved ape would have a better electrologist.

House G
03-17-2019, 08:23 PM
We have a cake walk. I have never felt more relieved after a selection show. It's ours to win. Just get it done.

UNC has a monster around every corner in their bracket. 😂

Can I have some of what you’re smoking?

kmspeaks
03-17-2019, 08:34 PM
The ESPN pundits are all asking the same question - why would you “reward” the best #2 seed, who some feel could/should have been a #1, by placing them in the same regional with the overall #1 seed (Duke)???

What a shock, the people who's job it is to talk about college basketball don't understand the seeding guidelines but DBR does. :rolleyes: Scottdude's got your answer here.


The committee itself says publically that better seeds when it comes to 1/2 get better location preference. That is more important than the S curve. So Michigan being the bottom 2 team got the worst location, being sent out West.

Not saying that it is right, but it is consistent with their “seeding principles”.

I can only assume that the coaches believe staying closer to home is more important than potential opponent and that's why geography is considered above the S Curve. It produces some weird results sometimes but the 2's were placed correctly according to the rules that are in place.

rolm
03-17-2019, 08:41 PM
Jason, when can we expect your Regions threads to be posted?

Hartford Dukie
03-17-2019, 08:44 PM
Game time 7:00 Friday CBS

weezie
03-17-2019, 08:47 PM
Game time 7:00 Friday CBS

Well, at least it's not 9:30pm. CBS must have lots of Geico/Jamie ads to sell. Or maybe more of those weird Old Bay Filet O'Fish sandwiches. OrangeVanilla Coke to wash that sandwich down perhaps?

Hartford Dukie
03-17-2019, 08:48 PM
Knew we were going to get the prime time lead in on CBS - want the eyeballs

HereBeforeCoachK
03-17-2019, 08:49 PM
Va Tech the best 4, MSU the best 2....and we got them both.

The committee just sucks

Hartford Dukie
03-17-2019, 08:50 PM
Haven't seen anything yet, but expect Nance, Rafferty, and Grant in Columbia

duke2x
03-17-2019, 08:52 PM
I think the two bolded portions balance pretty well. Having to play Kansas in KC might be tough, but their relative weakness to the other 4s totally evens it out.

I'm going to give you another hidden advantage. Cincinnati (UC or U Clifton for OH transplants) doesn't have to travel more than 2 hours for the first 2 weekends. All of those sold KY tickets are going to UC fans. They are underrated at #7, particularly if Houston is a #3. Although UVA is a much better team, the #7 seed has a lot of luck winning the South Regional recently. It's also a game nobody wants see; it's about like watching UVA-WI in terms of tempo and scoring.

devildeac
03-17-2019, 08:53 PM
The ACC really should thank Zion's injury for the 3 #1 seeds. Duke got to be a #1 after he came back so the losses didn't count against Duke, but UNC got 2 wins against a Zionless Duke and those wins counted for them.

Perhaps they'll reward us next season by signing teletubby turble tv teddy to a long term contract. :mad:

subzero02
03-17-2019, 08:54 PM
Knew we were going to get the prime time lead in on CBS - want the eyeballs

NC Central is a 5.5 point favorite over North Dakota State and VCU is a 1 point favorite over UCF.

OldPhiKap
03-17-2019, 08:54 PM
Not looking ahead, but have they set the times for the second games on Sunday? Asking for a friend.

gocanes0506
03-17-2019, 08:55 PM
In Columbia the 8/9s should have a strong fan attendance.

Could be tough to get extra tickets.

weezie
03-17-2019, 08:56 PM
Oh my god they gave us MSU!!! What a break. We match up great against them. My heart can rest!

Anybody who complains about RJ holding onto the ball too much can get ready to watch Cassius Winston and realize they are sorely mistaken about RJ.

PG notwithstanding, Cassius believes he is his own best option.

gofurman
03-17-2019, 08:57 PM
Clemson and State- tough on them.

Kenpom take a look they are ahead of several schools that were picked - Cinci, 4 behind them, got a 7 seed. almost always take all top 30 in kenpom

https://kenpom.com/

both Clemson and state ahead of Syracuse in NET

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 08:58 PM
UNC Central is a 5.5 point favorite over North Dakota State and VCU is a 1 point favorite over UCF.

That's NC Central, the U is at the end (NCCU).

duke2x
03-17-2019, 08:59 PM
Game time 7:00 Friday CBS

I would also expect Sunday afternoon on CBS, particularly if the A crew is there. The SC, IA, OH, and OK are on Sunday, and you have to look at the games in pairs for broadcast purposes. There's nothing very intriguing to the casual viewer about any set of pairs relative to Zion dunking and UVA's game. UNC must play a west coast team, which will relegate them to TNT/TBS at night.

Tripping William
03-17-2019, 08:59 PM
Not looking ahead, but have they set the times for the second games on Sunday? Asking for a friend.

Someone interested in seeing K potentially taking on Johnny Dawkins? :mad:

But seriously: I don't think Sunday's game times will be set until Saturday.

duke2x
03-17-2019, 09:00 PM
In Columbia the 8/9s should have a strong fan attendance.

Could be tough to get extra tickets.

There were still some left for the public as of Friday.

84Duke
03-17-2019, 09:00 PM
Well, at least it's not 9:30pm. CBS must have lots of Geico/Jamie ads to sell. Or maybe more of those weird Old Bay Filet O'Fish sandwiches. OrangeVanilla Coke to wash that sandwich down perhaps?

Weezie - I have no problem with an Old Bay Filet O’Fish sandwich - on paper. But I’d be frightened by what might land in front of me. I lived in Durham for almost 7 years. I have eaten some questionable things.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 09:01 PM
Clemson and State- tough on them.

Kenpom take a look they are ahead of several schools that were picked - Cinci, 4 behind them, got a 7 seed. almost always take all top 30 in kenpom

https://kenpom.com/

Yeah, I understand why they got left out, but I think State and Clemson both should have been in.

Hartford Dukie
03-17-2019, 09:02 PM
Not looking ahead, but have they set the times for the second games on Sunday? Asking for a friend.

Won't know officially until late Friday night, but expect Duke to get the last game CBS will show - unclear from this schedule below whether its 5:00 or 6:00. Again, eyeballs will drive schedule. CBS, their last game, and Duke/Zion

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/2019-03-17/selection-sunday-2019-time-dates-schedule-and-everything-else-you

weezie
03-17-2019, 09:03 PM
In Columbia the 8/9s should have a strong fan attendance.

Could be tough to get extra tickets.


...I have no problem with an Old Bay Filet O’Fish sandwich - on paper. But I’d be frightened by what might land in front of me.

I think the cheese just hanging there is triggering...:eek:

CDu
03-17-2019, 09:04 PM
Clemson and State- tough on them.

Kenpom take a look they are ahead of several schools that were picked - Cinci, 4 behind them, got a 7 seed. almost always take all top 30 in kenpom

https://kenpom.com/

both Clemson and state ahead of Syracuse in NET

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

Their resumes against Q1 teams did them in. That and having a couple of bad losses. Them’s the breaks. Needed to win one or two more of their close losses.

gocanes0506
03-17-2019, 09:04 PM
There were still some left for the public as of Friday.

Before there were 3 of 4 local 8/9s.

There are still tickets available in the upper sections behind the goals.

kAzE
03-17-2019, 09:06 PM
So I just sat through the whole ESPN bracketology show, and every single "analyst" picked Duke to reach the title game. Dick Vitale, Rece Davis, and Seth Greenberg picked Duke to win it all. Jay Bilas and Jay Williams (of course) did not.

Bilas picked Kentucky and Williams picked . . . . North Carolina. Keep in mind, this is over Duke, in the national championship game. Both of the Jays are dead to me.

arnie
03-17-2019, 09:10 PM
Won't know officially until late Friday night, but expect Duke to get the last game CBS will show - unclear from this schedule below whether its 5:00 or 6:00. Again, eyeballs will drive schedule. CBS, their last game, and Duke/Zion

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/2019-03-17/selection-sunday-2019-time-dates-schedule-and-everything-else-you

More Sunday night games than before on TNT etc. Any chance we’re on an off channel/not CBS?

gofurman
03-17-2019, 09:10 PM
Their resumes against Q1 teams did them in. That and having a couple of bad losses. Them’s the breaks. Needed to win one or two more of their close losses.

understand.. they need to handle business.. but that KenPom is tough several at large teams taken behind Clemson ...and almost every year all top 30 KenPom get in

PSurprise
03-17-2019, 09:11 PM
So I just sat through the whole ESPN bracketology show, and every single "analyst" picked Duke to reach the title game. Dick Vitale, Rece Davis, and Seth Greenberg picked Duke to win it all. Jay Bilas and Jay Williams (of course) did not.

Bilas picked Kentucky and Williams picked . . . . North Carolina. Keep in mind, this is over Duke, in the national championship game. Both of the Jays are dead to me.

It took you this long???

arnie
03-17-2019, 09:13 PM
So I just sat through the whole ESPN bracketology show, and every single "analyst" picked Duke to reach the title game. Dick Vitale, Rece Davis, and Seth Greenberg picked Duke to win it all. Jay Bilas and Jay Williams (of course) did not.

Bilas picked Kentucky and Williams picked . . . . North Carolina. Keep in mind, this is over Duke, in the national championship game. Both of the Jays are dead to me.

The whole thing may be scripted. ESPN could be directing them who to pick; similar to their edict regarding downplaying the greatest cheating scandal in NCAA history.

CDu
03-17-2019, 09:13 PM
So I just sat through the whole ESPN bracketology show, and every single "analyst" picked Duke to reach the title game. Dick Vitale, Rece Davis, and Seth Greenberg picked Duke to win it all. Jay Bilas and Jay Williams (of course) did not.

Bilas picked Kentucky and Williams picked . . . . North Carolina. Keep in mind, this is over Duke, in the national championship game. Both of the Jays are dead to me.

The opposite (Williams picked UK and Bilas UNC).

Hartford Dukie
03-17-2019, 09:16 PM
More Sunday night games than before on TNT etc. Any chance we’re on an off channel/not CBS?


Obviously, it's possible..but if you were CBS and you had first dibs would you give up Duke/Zion to another of the networks? And not put in your prime time slot. Only way it would happen if someone else has first choice of games. Not familiar with the contract, but would imagine CBS has first choice.

rolm
03-17-2019, 09:17 PM
So I just sat through the whole ESPN bracketology show, and every single "analyst" picked Duke to reach the title game. Dick Vitale, Rece Davis, and Seth Greenberg picked Duke to win it all. Jay Bilas and Jay Williams (of course) did not.

Bilas picked Kentucky and Williams picked . . . . North Carolina. Keep in mind, this is over Duke, in the national championship game. Both of the Jays are dead to me.

Glad they picked against Duke. Both have been wrong with their picks most of the season (JW more than JB). I'd be more nervous if they had picked Duke.

DU82
03-17-2019, 09:18 PM
In 2017, we got the last slot, tip-off was about 9:30. Made for a VERY long drive back to Durham.

BigZ
03-17-2019, 09:19 PM
My Final Four

Duke Nevada Auburn Villanova

Duke over Auburn

jipops
03-17-2019, 09:19 PM
The opposite (Williams picked UK and Bilas UNC).

If Duke had Zion, Grant, Laettner, Kyrie, and JJ (all at college peak, not at current age) the two Jays would pick them to lose in the final. They may be contractually obligated to pick against them. But who cares? It affects nothing.

CDu
03-17-2019, 09:19 PM
understand.. they need to handle business.. but that KenPom is tough several at large teams taken behind Clemson ...and almost every year all top 30 KenPom get in

Eh, there is usually a team or two in that range that gets left out. Almost always because they didn’t win enough against good teams.

WakeDevil
03-17-2019, 09:20 PM
NC State had a horrible OOC schedule. Add that to the bid stealers.

HereBeforeCoachK
03-17-2019, 09:22 PM
The opposite (Williams picked UK and Bilas UNC).

Bilas picked UNC? Wow, I'm shocked.

UrinalCake
03-17-2019, 09:22 PM
Glad they picked against Duke. Both have been wrong with their picks most of the season (JW more than JB). I'd be more nervous if they had picked Duke.

Yeah, if they had picked Duke then we’d be complaining that they were trying to jinx us. Whatever. I don’t think the CHeats make the final four, although my reasoning will sound very ironic coming from a Duke fan - they rely too heavily on three point shooting and don’t have enough post scoring.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 09:24 PM
Eh, there is usually a team or two in that range that gets left out. Almost always because they didn’t win enough against good teams.

I'm not exactly disagreeing, but how often are they knocked out by at large teams in the 60-80 range?

Looking at Kenpom definitely confirms that we got a tough break in VT as a 4 seeds (ranked #11 in Kenpom). Make VT a 3, LSU a 4 and give us them instead.

ndkjr70
03-17-2019, 09:25 PM
My Final Four

Duke Nevada Auburn Villanova

Duke over Auburn

Duke and Auburn I see.

Nevada and Villanova make me wonder if you’ve watched college basketball in the past three months, haha. I’d be shocked if either of those teams see the second weekend.

ncexnyc
03-17-2019, 09:26 PM
Bilas picked UNC? Wow, I'm shocked.

Obviously you've forgotten that UNCheat has the greatest defender in college basketball. At least according to Bilas.

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 09:27 PM
What a shock, the people who's job it is to talk about college basketball don't understand the seeding guidelines but DBR does. :rolleyes: Scottdude's got your answer here.



I can only assume that the coaches believe staying closer to home is more important than potential opponent and that's why geography is considered above the S Curve. It produces some weird results sometimes but the 2's were placed correctly according to the rules that are in place.

People have the right complaint for the wrong reasons.

NO way Tenn should be ahead of MSU on the overall seed line. MSU should have had "first pick" of region among the 2 seeds (and possibly should have displaced the Zags for a 1 seed out west, but I think the committee thinks it's too much work to be prepared with totally different brackets covering all the scenarios of wins/losses of the 3 big games on Sunday (SEC, ACC, B1G). Honestly, they should have 8 brackets ready to go covering all possible outcomes of those 3 games (granted, this wouldn't cover the nuance of blowout vs close game, but would be an upgrade from the laziness we seem to see now).

Dukehky
03-17-2019, 09:27 PM
I'm not sure if this has been addressed.

If UNC was guaranteed to go to the final game, would you rather lose before then or play the final game not knowing the outcome.

I think I would rather lose. Living and being from NC, the risk of losing (as Rece says the ultimate trump card), the risk is too much.

BandAlum83
03-17-2019, 09:28 PM
And the committee maintained its sick sense of humor, Minnesota v. Louisville?

Can you maybe explain this? You know, for those of us not in on the joke?

gofurman
03-17-2019, 09:28 PM
Eh, there is usually a team or two in that range that gets left out. Almost always because they didn’t win enough against good teams.

agree - Im a Duke fan first but Ohio State is 55th in NET and Clemson in mid-30s.. that isn't using the NET in my book. a few up or down - sure but taking the 55th NET team over a team in the mid-30s?

Tripping William
03-17-2019, 09:29 PM
Can you maybe explain this? You know, for those of us not in on the joke?

Richard Pitino Jr. coaches Minnesota. His more famous father (whether famous for his 15-seconds of "stamina" or otherwise) was fired from Louisville.

Bluedog
03-17-2019, 09:29 PM
Can you maybe explain this? You know, for those of us not in on the joke?

The head coach of MN is Richard Pitino, who is Rick Pitino's son.

Rich
03-17-2019, 09:29 PM
Va Tech the best 4, MSU the best 2...and we got them both.

The committee just sucks

This is the Selection Committee's ranking of the top 16 teams (click to make larger)

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Bluedog
03-17-2019, 09:30 PM
agree - Im a Duke fan first but Ohio State is 55th in NET and Clemson in mid-30s.. that isn't using the NET in my book. a few up or down - sure but taking the 55th NET team over a team in the mid-30s?

This simply shows that the raw NET rank was basically meaningless. It was all about wins and losses vs the quadrants. So they basically used NET like they had RPI -- no change. (But NET at least evaluates quality of opponents much better.)

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 09:31 PM
I'm going to give you another hidden advantage. Cincinnati (UC or U Clifton for OH transplants) doesn't have to travel more than 2 hours for the first 2 weekends. All of those sold KY tickets are going to UC fans. They are underrated at #7, particularly if Houston is a #3. Although UVA is a much better team, the #7 seed has a lot of luck winning the South Regional recently. It's also a game nobody wants see; it's about like watching UVA-WI in terms of tempo and scoring.

You make a lot of great points here, but the bolded section isn't one of them. I don't think there's any predictive correlation there. IF Cinci gets through (which is possible of course), I don't think they will have gotten any boost from having a "7" in front of their name. In fact, I'll be happy to see them b/c it'll mean we dodged Tennessee, who is a really good, athletic team with big strong guys down low - something that FSU showed we're vulnerable against.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 09:33 PM
This is the Selection Committee's ranking of the top 16 teams (click to make larger)

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Assuming those numbers are accurate, the committee started going way off the rails after the top 4. Don't see any way to justify VT at 16 based on information available, especially getting Justin Robinson back.

Bluedog
03-17-2019, 09:34 PM
This is the Selection Committee's ranking of the top 16 teams (click to make larger)

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The one thing I guess we should be thankful for then is that because MSU won they jumped UK. Otherwise, sounds like UK would have gotten the East instead of MW possibly (unless Michigan would have jumped UK too). I'd rather have MSU in DC than UK personally.

Dukehky
03-17-2019, 09:34 PM
This is the Selection Committee's ranking of the top 16 teams (click to make larger)

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I don't think Michigan State is very good.

VT and LSU are the scariest teams in this bracket to me.

Even though MSU is the second highest ranked 2 seed, who would you rather have? Them or Kentucky or Tennessee? I'll take MSU. I would rather play them than UM actually.

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 09:35 PM
Their resumes against Q1 teams did them in. That and having a couple of bad losses. Them’s the breaks. Needed to win one or two more of their close losses.

Nailed it. NCSU and Clemson both choked it up vs absolute bottom feeders a few times and didn't make up for it with wins against the top tier.

And in NCSU's case, I can't imagine the committee EVER letting in a bubble team with the absolute dead-last noncon SoS. Just sends the wrong message.

Hartford Dukie
03-17-2019, 09:35 PM
Not looking ahead, but have they set the times for the second games on Sunday? Asking for a friend.

Did a little further checking - last CBS game on Sunday is the 5:00 - 7:00 slot. Again, no one will know for sure until late Friday night, but that slot has to be the best guess as the time for the Duke game.

Wahoo2000
03-17-2019, 09:37 PM
So I just sat through the whole ESPN bracketology show, and every single "analyst" picked Duke to reach the title game. Dick Vitale, Rece Davis, and Seth Greenberg picked Duke to win it all. Jay Bilas and Jay Williams (of course) did not.

Bilas picked Kentucky and Williams picked . . . . North Carolina. Keep in mind, this is over Duke, in the national championship game. Both of the Jays are dead to me.

Jay Williams is on the record as saying his picks are jinxes. I think that played into it here.

As for Bilas...... I have no clue. Maybe he feels UNC is on par with Duke after that semifinal where it was exceedingly close. I think that's wrong, but get the thinking.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 09:37 PM
I'm not exactly disagreeing, but how often are they knocked out by at large teams in the 60-80 range?

Looking at Kenpom definitely confirms that we got a tough break in VT as a 4 seeds (ranked #11 in Kenpom). Make VT a 3, LSU a 4 and give us them instead.

Before someone calls me out on this...I was not paying enough attention when I wrote this... obviously not much impact to switching LSU and VT given they are both in our bracket.

OldPhiKap
03-17-2019, 09:41 PM
Jay Williams is on the record as saying his picks are jinxes. I think that played into it here.

As for Bilas... I have no clue. Maybe he feels UNC is on par with Duke after that semifinal where it was exceedingly close. I think that's wrong, but get the thinking.

Unpopular opinion alert: I think UNC and Duke and UVA are all about equal. UNC is every bit as good as we are, and arguably better. UVA took us to OT in Cameron, and we had a crazy outside shooting day up there to win. Sorry to those who disagree.

CDu
03-17-2019, 09:41 PM
agree - Im a Duke fan first but Ohio State is 55th in NET and Clemson in mid-30s.. that isn't using the NET in my book. a few up or down - sure but taking the 55th NET team over a team in the mid-30s?

They never said they were going to strictly follow the NET. Each year can be different. This year, they appeared to ding teams that didn’t get it done against good teams.

Clemson and State were teams that did a good job of losing close (Clemson) or blowing out bad teams right (State). The committee apparently didn’t care for that profile.

BandAlum83
03-17-2019, 09:42 PM
I'm not sure if this has been addressed.

If UNC was guaranteed to go to the final game, would you rather lose before then or play the final game not knowing the outcome.

I think I would rather lose. Living and being from NC, the risk of losing (as Rece says the ultimate trump card), the risk is too much.

Huh?

Wow, your negativity was always a hint, but this post makes clear that you are in no way a true Duke fan.

Mods: I call imposter!

CDu
03-17-2019, 09:43 PM
Before someone calls me out on this...I was not paying enough attention when I wrote this... obviously not much impact to switching LSU and VT given they are both in our bracket.

Actually that is a substantial impact. One we would face in the Sweet 16, the other we would only face in the Elite 8, and only if the 2 seed lost.

Acymetric
03-17-2019, 09:43 PM
Nailed it. NCSU and Clemson both choked it up vs absolute bottom feeders a few times and didn't make up for it with wins against the top tier.

And in NCSU's case, I can't imagine the committee EVER letting in a bubble team with the absolute dead-last noncon SoS. Just sends the wrong message.

Yeah, NCSU's non-con absolutely sunk them. Still could have let Clemson in over Baylor/Oklahoma/Washington/Iowa/Ohio State/Mississippi/Seton Hall/ASU/Temple/St. Johns (pick 1, with apologies to Bobby Hurley).

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 09:47 PM
People have the right complaint for the wrong reasons.

NO way Tenn should be ahead of MSU on the overall seed line. MSU should have had "first pick" of region among the 2 seeds (and possibly should have displaced the Zags for a 1 seed out west, but I think the committee thinks it's too much work to be prepared with totally different brackets covering all the scenarios of wins/losses of the 3 big games on Sunday (SEC, ACC, B1G). Honestly, they should have 8 brackets ready to go covering all possible outcomes of those 3 games (granted, this wouldn't cover the nuance of blowout vs close game, but would be an upgrade from the laziness we seem to see now).

This is the right perspective IMHO. The winner of the B1G title game should’ve been the top No. 2 seed and gotten their choice of region, which likely would’ve been the South based on location. I’m guessing the Spartans “bad losses” played a role here, and had Michigan won things might’ve been different since they’re resume is more similar to Tennessee when it comes to losses, but with more quality wins.

Honestly though I think it worked out great for us. Yes, MSU is playing well, but without Langford they are probably the least talented No. 2 seed (yes, I’m being a Michigan homer and overlooking their sweep of us, but Cassius just had our number, unfortunately... I still think Michigan has more talent on the court, Winston is just a transcendent college player that Michigan can’t match right now, and it hurts me to say that). We also match up great with the Sparties because they have no one to guard Zion (Tillman might be able to hold his own for a bit, but Ward and Goins are too slow to keep up with him at all) and Tre matches up nice against Winston. Meanwhile Michigan’s defense is so good that I think we’d have a hard time getting separation from the Wolverines, which leaves the door slightly ajar for an unexpected outcome.

Let the talking heads complain. We got a break on the 2 line, and I get to keep my dreamn of Duke and Michigan in the same final four alive. After a crappy afternoon the selection show perked me up ;)

Kfanarmy
03-17-2019, 09:55 PM
I will echo this—I think they will handle Sparty.

Without their head coach? Tough on LSU players.

jv001
03-17-2019, 09:55 PM
This is the Selection Committee's ranking of the top 16 teams (click to make larger)

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I think the toughest regions are:

1) EAST
2) SOUTH
3) MIDWEST
4) WEST.

But as always it's in the eye of the beholder. I like our chances against our #2 draw(MSU) but LSU and VT are pretty strong. With Zion healthy, we can beat anyone. GoDuke!

johnb
03-17-2019, 09:56 PM
Unpopular opinion alert: I think UNC and Duke and UVA are all about equal. UNC is every bit as good as we are, and arguably better. UVA took us to OT in Cameron, and we had a crazy outside shooting day up there to win. Sorry to those who disagree.

I agree. Z can be breathtaking, and RJ is often majestic, and Tre, Cam, etc. have their great moments, but we are often in a muddled game that can go either way. These other elite teams are really good. The ‘99 and ‘92 teams were more dominant, imho, and were often crushing very good teams.

If anyone is telling the 2 Jays to be provocatively “anti” Duke, it’s not ESPN, it’s their agents or themselves—I’ve watched hours and hours of them, and while they strain to be neutral, it seems obvious that they are Duke fans when they aren’t serving as neutral provocateurs.

ncexnyc
03-17-2019, 09:58 PM
Unlike some on here, I'm not that upset with a possible rematch against VT. Zion > Robinson, RJ won't have a stomach bug, and the game would be played on a neutral court.

AustinDevil
03-17-2019, 09:58 PM
This is the right perspective IMHO. The winner of the B1G title game should’ve been the top No. 2 seed and gotten their choice of region, which likely would’ve been the South based on location. I’m guessing the Spartans “bad losses” played a role here, and had Michigan won things might’ve been different since they’re resume is more similar to Tennessee when it comes to losses, but with more quality wins.

Honestly though I think it worked out great for us. Yes, MSU is playing well, but without Langford they are probably the least talented No. 2 seed (yes, I’m being a Michigan homer and overlooking their sweep of us, but Cassius just had our number, unfortunately... I still think Michigan has more talent on the court, Winston is just a transcendent college player that Michigan can’t match right now, and it hurts me to say that). We also match up great with the Sparties because they have no one to guard Zion (Tillman might be able to hold his own for a bit, but Ward and Goins are too slow to keep up with him at all) and Tre matches up nice against Winston. Meanwhile Michigan’s defense is so good that I think we’d have a hard time getting separation from the Wolverines, which leaves the door slightly ajar for an unexpected outcome.

Let the talking heads complain. We got a break on the 2 line, and I get to keep my dreamn of Duke and Michigan in the same final four alive. After a crappy afternoon the selection show perked me up ;)

Appreciate the detailed B1G analysis, but consider trying not to use “we”/“us” in relation to both Duke and Michigan in the same post...

Rich
03-17-2019, 10:00 PM
I agree. Z can be breathtaking, and RJ is often majestic, and Tre, Cam, etc. have their great moments, but we are often in a muddled game that can go either way. These other elite teams are really good. The ‘99 and ‘92 teams were more dominant, imho, and were often crushing very good teams.

If anyone is telling the 2 Jays to be provocatively “anti” Duke, it’s not ESPN, it’s their agents or themselves—I’ve watched hours and hours of them, and while they strain to be neutral, it seems obvious that they are Duke fans when they aren’t serving as neutral provocateurs.

There were very few teams in the history of college basketball as dominant as that 1999 Duke team, championship game notwithstanding.

While I agree that Jason and Jay are Duke fans, I also believe they have a soft spot for Carolina. Pretty sure I remember reading that Jason Williams was a Carolina fan growing up. And it's often been said that the rivalry is a much bigger deal for the fans than the players, who develop friendships in AAU, summer leagues, and pickup games.

duke2x
03-17-2019, 10:10 PM
Did a little further checking - last CBS game on Sunday is the 5:00 - 7:00 slot. Again, no one will know for sure until late Friday night, but that slot has to be the best guess as the time for the Duke game.

I'm thinking the first two are more likely. The UVA game is not TruTv fare.

TBD March Madness Live 12:00 pm CBS
TBD March Madness Live 2:30 pm CBS
TBD March Madness Live 5:00 pm CBS
TBD March Madness Live 6:00 pm CBS* (likely TNT, no split screens on CBS)
TBD March Madness Live 7:00 pm TBS
TBD March Madness Live 7:30 pm truTV (CBS crossover)
TBD March Madness Live 8:30 pm TNT
TBD March Madness Live 9:30 pm TBS

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/2019-03-17/selection-sunday-2019-time-dates-schedule-and-everything-else-you

scottdude8
03-17-2019, 10:16 PM
Appreciate the detailed B1G analysis, but consider trying not to use “we”/“us” in relation to both Duke and Michigan in the same post...

Haha I try my best, but it slips in every once and a while. Don’t worry, Duke is and always will be clear priority 1!