2019 ACC Tournament Thread [Archive]

Bob Green

03-10-2019, 11:33 AM

Here is a link to the tournament bracket:

http://theacc.com/sports/2018/1/12/2017-18-new-york-life-acc-tournament.aspx

Duke is scheduled to play Thursday at 9:00 pm but tip-off will be closer to 9:30 pm.

EDIT: Here is a better link: https://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/images/2019/03/09/2019-acc-tournament-bracket.pdf

TruBlu

03-10-2019, 01:17 PM

This is one of the times that Daylight Savings Time comes in handy, since our first two games would be 9:30ish, and the Championship game is at 8:30. Our internal clocks will not have adjusted well by then, and it will be easier to stay up to see the end of games, even though we are crushing the opponents by 25 - 30 points.

uh_no

03-11-2019, 12:39 AM

Just want to point out the tournament is set up for a possible complete revenge tour.....with our possible path being:

Cuse->UNC->VT

allowing us to avenge (or re-avenge) all the losses we had without Zion.

pfrduke

03-11-2019, 12:57 AM

uh_no

03-11-2019, 01:02 AM

Cuse was with Zion but without Cam and Tre. Still revenge worthy.

oh i know....but he wasn't around to get revenge on syracuse the first time around, so it counts in my book.

DUKIE V(A)

03-11-2019, 06:06 AM

Just want to point out the tournament is set up for a possible complete revenge tour...with our possible path being:

Cuse->UNC->VT

allowing us to avenge (or re-avenge) all the losses we had without Zion.

This is the path I am selfishly hoping happens. I have a strong distaste for Syracuse and VT, and my contempt for all things Carolina is at an all-time high.

UVA will have no picnic with the Clemson/NCState winner and likely either FSU or VT. However, I am predicting a Duke/UVA ACC Final. I realize that we have beaten UVA twice, but, to me, they are the best team in the country right now. They are also the “rival” that I respect most and the team I can tolerate losing to more than any in the country. I attended graduate school at UVA but that has very little to do with it. I just admire the heck out of Tony Bennett, the players he recruits, and the way they play. It is next to impossible to get players to sacrifice and play as one as UVA has been able to accomplish with regularity lately. That’s also a reason that I love this Duke team as much as any — they seem to genuinely enjoy playing with and for each other.

I forecast Duke/UVA 3, but I am blood thirsty for uh_no’s Revenge Tour scenario.

Ballboy1998

03-11-2019, 07:11 AM

I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this. unc. That is all.

UrinalCake

03-11-2019, 08:13 AM

Getting Zion back will be huge, but no guarantee we’ll immediately return to being a superteam. He’ll have some rust to work off and K basically admitted he has lost some conditioning. Playing on three consecutive days is difficult for anybody, much less a big guy coming off a knee injury. Plus we likely won’t have Bolden. So other guys will need to step up and we can’t have another 2-20 type performance from three.

I’m hoping we hit some shots against Syracuse for a comfortable win. Alex must be licking his chops to play them, as his two best games by far have come at their expense. As a side note, I’m actually glad to be playing them and not Louisville who would be set for their own revenge game, so I guess that’s the silver lining behind losing last weekend. Win and we’ll have adrenaline to carry us into the CHeat game, and you know Zion wants to destroy them.

If we are fortunate enough to make it to the final, we’ll be running on fumes but UVA also has very little to play for. It honestly wouldn’t shock me if they got upset before the final. Even though they are a veteran team, they have a #1 locked up and probably the overall #1 even if they lose, so human nature may still kick in.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

03-11-2019, 08:26 AM

If we are fortunate enough to make it to the final, we’ll be running on fumes but UVA also has very little to play for. It honestly wouldn’t shock me if they got upset before the final. Even though they are a veteran team, they have a #1 locked up and probably the overall #1 even if they lose, so human nature may still kick in.

I would normally agree with you, but given last year's, um, episode, I predict Bennett isn't going to take his foot off the gas. UVA isn't going to be complacent with a number one seed.

If any team needs to keep their momentum, it's UVA, and if they were able to beat the only team that has put Ls on their resume this season before the Big Dance, I suspect they would have a massive confidence boost.

UNC on the other hand, might mail in a game, either officially or otherwise. I can see them not wanting to expose their team to a fully operational battle station like Zion. And we ALL have been told a billion times how much Roy values regular season over the tournament.

UrinalCake

03-11-2019, 09:16 AM

^ but last year could also serve as a reminder for UVA that being healthy and rested in the NCAAT is more important than getting the overall #1.

DarkstarWahoo

03-11-2019, 09:16 AM

I would normally agree with you, but given last year's, um, episode, I predict Bennett isn't going to take his foot off the gas. UVA isn't going to be complacent with a number one seed.

If any team needs to keep their momentum, it's UVA, and if they were able to beat the only team that has put Ls on their resume this season before the Big Dance, I suspect they would have a massive confidence boost.

UNC on the other hand, might mail in a game, either officially or otherwise. I can see them not wanting to expose their team to a fully operational battle station like Zion. And we ALL have been told a billion times how much Roy values regular season over the tournament.
Counterpoint: After the events of last year’s ACCT and NCAAT, I don’t think you’d see too much objection from the fan base if Tony left DeAndre Hunter in Charlottesville this week, or even put him in temporary cryogenic storage.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

03-11-2019, 09:28 AM

Counterpoint: After the events of last year’s ACCT and NCAAT, I don’t think you’d see too much objection from the fan base if Tony left DeAndre Hunter in Charlottesville this week, or even put him in temporary cryogenic storage.

Noted.

I suspect we ought to hold a preemptive wake for whatever team gets UVA in the opening game.

Troublemaker

03-11-2019, 09:55 AM

Getting Zion back will be huge, but no guarantee we’ll immediately return to being a superteam. He’ll have some rust to work off and K basically admitted he has lost some conditioning. Playing on three consecutive days is difficult for anybody, much less a big guy coming off a knee injury. Plus we likely won’t have Bolden. So other guys will need to step up and we can’t have another 2-20 type performance from three.

Agree that we shouldn't assume that Duke will hit on all cylinders right away. The theory of Zion being easy to integrate makes sense but is still just theory at this point.

Also, I'm not sure Duke had proven "superteam" status yet, if "superteam" means something more than just being a first-tier team in the 2019 college basketball season. Being historically great is something else. UVA and maybe Gonzaga are right there with full-strength Duke this season. 2018 Villanova is better than all three, imo -- at the very least, they're right there. And personally, when comparing Duke teams, I still think 2015 Duke is right there with this team, possibly better.

If we are fortunate enough to make it to the final, we’ll be running on fumes but UVA also has very little to play for. It honestly wouldn’t shock me if they got upset before the final. Even though they are a veteran team, they have a #1 locked up and probably the overall #1 even if they lose, so human nature may still kick in.

UVA would need Duke to lose to lock up the #1 overall seed and the DC regional, imo.

budwom

03-11-2019, 09:55 AM

wgl1228

03-11-2019, 10:07 AM

If Duke wins the ACC Tournament do you think they get seeded higher than UVA?

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

03-11-2019, 10:09 AM

If Duke wins the ACC Tournament do you think they get seeded higher than UVA?

If they are 3-0 against UVA in doing so, giving UVA their only losses...

Probably not. Because it is too logical.

Troublemaker

03-11-2019, 10:13 AM

Seems that the all knowing Committee wants to see what happens with Zion (as we all do). Pretty straightforward mission now, if we play well and beat unc, they very well might give us that one seed...

If Zion is back and we beat UNC in the semis, I just about guarantee Duke will get a 1-seed because I don't think the committee could defend giving UNC a 1-seed ahead of us, and I think it's unlikely that 2 teams from behind jump up ahead. Even as of today, it's 50/50 between Duke and Kentucky for the final 1-seed according to Bracket Matrix.

If Duke wins the ACC Tournament do you think they get seeded higher than UVA?

Yes, assuming that Duke winning the ACCT means Zion is back and playing well. Based on Duke's head-to-head record with UVA and having not lost at full-strength since before Thanksgiving. Now, getting "seeded higher than UVA" just means we get the DC regional, as I would expect both to be 1-seeds in that scenario.

CDu

03-11-2019, 10:13 AM

If Duke wins the ACC Tournament do you think they get seeded higher than UVA?

It all depends on how the committee decides to consider the losses without Zion. If they do what they say they normally do, then yes we should be seeded above UVa. Because we have only one loss with our full squad, and if we win the tournament over UVa then that would theoretically confirm our status as more or less that team.

That's clearly the angle Coach K is playing with his comments about "9 games without our starting 5 intact" and his recent note that Bolden is not as critical as Zion and Jones (I don't think that was a throwaway comment).

But you never know what the committee will decide.

duke4ever19

03-11-2019, 10:20 AM

If Duke wins the ACC Tournament do you think they get seeded higher than UVA?

All I know is that I want Duke to meet UNC in the ACC Tournament and steamroll them by 15+.

pfrduke

03-11-2019, 11:17 AM

I'll just use this in place of the "This Week" threads for the week. Will break things down on a daily basis through the weekend, starting with tomorrow's matchups below:

[68]Miami (-7) vs. [164]Wake Forest (12:00, ESPN)
[104]Georgia Tech (+1) vs. [87]Notre Dame (-1) (2:00*, ESPN) *starts 30 minutes after conclusion of prior game
[110]Boston College (+1) vs. [98]Pittsburgh (7:00, ESPNU)

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

03-11-2019, 11:27 AM

Troublemaker

03-11-2019, 12:37 PM

Kenpom's log5 probabilities:

Ken Pomeroy‏Verified account @kenpomeroy (https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy) Mar 9 (https://twitter.com/kenpomeroy/status/1104592720532725760)
Atlantic Coast Conference. All games at Charlotte. #log5 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/log5?src=hash)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1Q9fjSVYAAkct1.jpg

Troublemaker

03-11-2019, 12:46 PM

rsvman

03-11-2019, 12:55 PM

Both odds-makers have the top 11 in the exact same order, too. Interesting.

uh_no

03-11-2019, 01:05 PM

Odds from a major sportsbook below. Somewhat interesting that both kenpom and this book give VaTech a better chance than FSU even though FSU got the double bye. (I agree with it, though.)

I don't find it that surprising. there have been enough teams that have had success even when coming of no rest against a team with a bye that the adjustment may be smaller than most of us make it out to be. It would interesting to see if there is a trend....yes there are plenty of anecdotes and people will say it's "obvious," but the degree to which the fatigue affects teams in the long term may be over stated (or understated).

VT is 3 points better on a neutral floor. that swings it enough to make up for the 90+% that VT should win that first game with.

ncexnyc

03-11-2019, 02:11 PM

Everyone is looking ahead to a Duke vs UNC match-up, but I'd say slow your roll. Both teams split their season series against their probable opponent so I'd be warry about looking ahead.

UrinalCake

03-11-2019, 02:18 PM

I’m torn between whether I want Louisville to upset the CHeats. On the one hand, I want a rematch with Zion healthy and I want to beat the snot out of them. And Louisville would be a tough matchup since they would be motivated to avenge their embarrassing collapse. On the other hand, losing to the CHeats a third time would be insufferable. And them getting knocked out early would potentially knock them off the #1 line, further opening the door for us.

devildeac

03-11-2019, 02:35 PM

CDu

03-11-2019, 03:28 PM

Easy. Loss for cheaters every time they play. No question for me.

Yep. I would love to beat UNC soundly. I'd also love to see UNC lose on Thursday and not have to worry about them at all on Friday. Every game they play, I will cheer for them to lose.

Ballboy1998

03-11-2019, 03:34 PM

All I know is that I want Duke to meet UNC in the ACC Tournament and steamroll them by 15+.

I want Zion to dunk on Maye so hard he stops wearing eyeliner.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

03-11-2019, 04:11 PM

I want Zion to dunk on Maye so hard he stops wearing eyeliner.

I want him to dunk his eyebrows off.

WiJoe

03-11-2019, 08:24 PM

Don't know what's been done in past and don't care.

For the ACC to list starting times as two hours apart is just plain STUPID. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the second game to begin two hours after first.

Idiots!

awhom111

03-11-2019, 10:06 PM

I'll just use this in place of the "This Week" threads for the week. Will break things down on a daily basis through the weekend, starting with tomorrow's matchups below:

Added the free streams from Raycom below for those out of the country or who want to watch at work, not that I am advocating that, or who will miss this alternative feed when it goes away:

[68]Miami (-7) vs. [164]Wake Forest (12:00, ESPN) http://www.theacc.com/watch/?id=161560
[104]Georgia Tech (+1) vs. [87]Notre Dame (-1) (2:00*, ESPN) *starts 30 minutes after conclusion of prior game http://www.theacc.com/watch/?id=161561
[110]Boston College (+1) vs. [98]Pittsburgh (7:00, ESPNU) http://www.theacc.com/watch/?id=161562

MarkD83

03-12-2019, 07:22 AM

I just added extra pressure on duke so I will apologize now. My wife was looking at my t-shirt collection and saw some rag-worthy duke shirts. She promised to not throw them out until after the season. So duke needs to win so I can get some good replacements.

rsvman

03-12-2019, 10:11 AM

I want him to dunk his eyebrows off.

I want him to dunk his beard off.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

03-12-2019, 10:12 AM

Not very compelling match ups today. I'm curious to see how Wake does, but other than that, I'm probably not even checking scores until tonight.

NSDukeFan

03-12-2019, 11:50 AM

Not very compelling match ups today. I'm curious to see how Wake does, but other than that, I'm probably not even checking scores until tonight.

Is it possible that you could see one of the five freshmen that some voter felt was better than R.J. Barrett this year? You could also watch a player (Bowman) that someone felt was the best player in the ACC this year. ��

UrinalCake

03-12-2019, 11:56 AM

For the ACC to list starting times as two hours apart is just plain STUPID. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the second game to begin two hours after first.

Idiots!

There is a 20 minute break between games and a 15 minute halftime, plus four timeouts per half of let’s say 5 minutes each (in reality they are probably longer). That means they would have to play 40 minutes of game time in 45 minutes to actually start the next game in two hours. No called timeouts, no free throws, no inbounding the ball, etc. Totally agree that this is beyond stupid.

It’s at the point where I just automatically add 30 minutes in my head without even thinking about it. Kind of like when I see that the speed limit is 55 and the number that actually enters my brain is 64.

NSDukeFan

03-12-2019, 12:06 PM

There is a 20 minute break between games and a 15 minute halftime, plus four timeouts per half of let’s say 5 minutes each (in reality they are probably longer). That means they would have to play 40 minutes of game time in 45 minutes to actually start the next game in two hours. No called timeouts, no free throws, no inbounding the ball, etc. Totally agree that this is beyond stupid.

It’s at the point where I just automatically add 30 minutes in my head without even thinking about it. Kind of like when I see that the speed limit is 55 and the number that actually enters my brain is 64.
When the tournament was behind for the under 10 girls team I coach, they shortened warmup to 4 minutes and basically eliminated halftime. Maybe they could do this for the ACCT so they could keep on schedule? 😀

devildeac

03-12-2019, 12:14 PM

uh_no

03-12-2019, 12:51 PM

Only 64? :rolleyes:

9 you're fine. 10 you're mine

-cops everywhere....especially virginia...not so much in south carolina

CDu

03-12-2019, 12:56 PM

The schedule today illustrates that this is really an 8-9 team conference this year. Teams 10-15 are really bad. Miami is winning by 3 despite Chris Lykes (aka, their entire offense) with 3 fouls and Izundu (aka their only interior presence) with 2.

English

03-12-2019, 01:06 PM

ncexnyc

03-12-2019, 01:28 PM

Well that was an interesting 1st half. The most excitement was the testy exchange at the end of the half between Dan Dakich and his broadcasting partner. Dakich decided to take a pot shot at the Miami coach saying, he gets paid to overcome the manpower shortage and after some back and forth with his partner he stated that he had to do it at Bowling Green. To which his partner responded, and that's why your here in the booth with me.:D

robed deity

03-12-2019, 01:36 PM

I feel like I'm going crazy. All of these charges seem like blocks to me.

wavedukefan70s

03-12-2019, 01:37 PM

I feel like I'm going crazy. All of these charges seem like blocks to me.

Me too.

devildeac

03-12-2019, 01:47 PM

9 you're fine. 10 you're mine

-cops everywhere...especially virginia...not so much in south carolina

Ha! True, but, during my Duke years, I had friends get speeding tix on I85 north and south near South Hill, VA, for 58 in a 55 zone.

I've also seen plenty of folks in recent travels (Raleigh, Chicago, hell, almost anywhere) who travel 20-30 MPH > posted speed limit :eek:.

devildeac

03-12-2019, 01:48 PM

I feel like I'm going crazy. All of these charges seem like blocks to me.

Wait, I thought RJ/Duke not playing until Thursday:rolleyes:.:mad:

wavedukefan70s

03-12-2019, 02:03 PM

Ha! True, but, during my Duke years, I had friends get speeding tix on I85 north and south near South Hill, VA, for 58 in a 55 zone.

I've also seen plenty of folks in recent travels (Raleigh, Chicago, hell, almost anywhere) who travel 20-30 MPH > posted speed limit :eek:.

Within 20 miles the i95 i26 interchange in south Carolina. They will pull u and ticket you heavily. Even told me happy birthday smh.

CameronBornAndBred

03-12-2019, 02:06 PM

Who gets fired by Wake first? Manning or the Volleyball coach?

flyingdutchdevil

03-12-2019, 02:13 PM

CameronBornAndBred

03-12-2019, 02:16 PM

Packaged deal? Do you get a discount on a 2-for-1?

My gut tells me Manning because the law is going to have to play out for the volleyball coach?

I dunno. They could chuck him because he sucks at coaching, too.

Through two seasons at the helm of the program, Ferguson owns a 22-41 record (.350) with a 10-30 mark in conference play.
https://godeacs.com/coaches.aspx?rc=481&path=wvball

-jk

03-12-2019, 03:42 PM

CameronBornAndBred

03-12-2019, 03:53 PM

https://youtu.be/X4gptzlIGow

-jk

JP and Food Lion commercials for three days straight. Good times!

WiJoe

03-12-2019, 04:11 PM

Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but there's been a lot of talk on social media about this being the last year of Raycom (and Jefferson Pilot) televising the ACCT. That's some real nostalgia, remembering the feeling of pure glee when the grade school teacher would wheel the tube TV strapped to the cart into the classroom in the middle of the day to watch the early tournament games. Ah, times were simpler back then. /wistful sigh

I'm fairly new to the Raycom phenomenon, but will soak in hearing Brando and G Man in particular this week. Watching as much as possible; caught Wake-Miami and am monitoring Ga Tech-domers. Will NOT watch espn. Surprised to see G Man will not be doing games for CBS in NCAA. Boo!!!!

Rich

03-12-2019, 04:16 PM

Who gets fired by Wake first? Manning or the Volleyball coach?

Packaged deal? Do you get a discount on a 2-for-1?

My gut tells me Manning because the law is going to have to play out for the volleyball coach?

They should fire the volleyball coach and, for what they're paying him, make Manning coach both the volleyball team and the basketball team. He couldn't do much worse.

fuse

03-12-2019, 07:43 PM

uh_no

03-12-2019, 07:50 PM

With the possible exception of ND/GT, today’s basketball is a great argument for a top eight ACC tournament only.
Yes, I know, never happen.
This has been some of the most painful basketball I’ve watched this season.

ehhhh... the 9 seed won't be that bad every year, though. i recall one team that won their conference tournament from the first day and then went on to win the title... and there are years when the 9 team in the conference is still a really good team.

i would put my limit at 12.... then you get the bye as a reward.

is be even more of a fan of promotion and relegation, but that's tougher with the turnover in college sports

CDu

03-12-2019, 07:56 PM

Pitt walloping BC at the half. Wouldn’t mind seeing them get past BC and Cuse to face us on a third day of games.

Tripping William

03-12-2019, 09:22 PM

Congrats to head coach Jeff Capel on his first ACC Tournament win.

pfrduke

03-13-2019, 12:50 AM

Here’s the Wednesday lineup:

[32]NC State (+1) vs. [28]Clemson (12:00, ESPN)
[11]Virginia Tech (-10) vs. [66]Miami (2:30ish, ESPN)
[19]Louisville (-8) vs. [86]Notre Dame (7:00, ESPN2)
[39]Syracuse (-5) vs. [94]Pittsburgh (9:30ish, ESPN2)

awhom111

03-13-2019, 12:53 AM

Here’s the Wednesday lineup:

Raycom TV stations and free, unrestricted feeds added:
[32]NC State (+1) vs. [28]Clemson (12:00, ESPN) http://theacc.com/sports/2019/2/20/MBB_ACCT-3-13-2019-G1.aspx http://www.theacc.com/watch/?id=161563
[11]Virginia Tech (-10) vs. [66]Miami (2:30ish, ESPN) http://theacc.com/sports/2019/2/20/MBB_ACCT-3-13-2019-G2.aspx http://www.theacc.com/watch/?id=161564
[19]Louisville (-8) vs. [86]Notre Dame (7:00, ESPN2) http://theacc.com/sports/2019/2/20/MBB_ACCT-3-13-2019-G3.aspx http://www.theacc.com/watch/?id=161566
[39]Syracuse (-5) vs. [94]Pittsburgh (9:30ish, ESPN2) http://theacc.com/sports/2019/2/20/MBB_ACCT-3-13-2019-G4.aspx http://www.theacc.com/watch/?id=161569

lotusland

03-13-2019, 06:15 AM

Ha! True, but, during my Duke years, I had friends get speeding tix on I85 north and south near South Hill, VA, for 58 in a 55 zone.

I've also seen plenty of folks in recent travels (Raleigh, Chicago, hell, almost anywhere) who travel 20-30 MPH > posted speed limit :eek:.

The leash is tighter in Virginia. I drive +5 mph in VA and +8 elsewhere on the interstate.

lotusland

03-13-2019, 06:31 AM

Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but there's been a lot of talk on social media about this being the last year of Raycom (and Jefferson Pilot) televising the ACCT. That's some real nostalgia, remembering the feeling of pure glee when the grade school teacher would wheel the tube TV strapped to the cart into the classroom in the middle of the day to watch the early tournament games. Ah, times were simpler back then. /wistful sigh

Thanks for the nostalgia. This was my introduction to ACC basketball in middle school after moving from SEC country. It really gave you the feeling that you are watching the most important sporting event in the world. I still love the ACC tournament but I miss the 8-9 team conference and the Les Robinson invitational play-in game which came later in college.

wilson

03-13-2019, 08:07 AM

Ha! True, but, during my Duke years, I had friends get speeding tix on I85 north and south near South Hill, VA, for 58 in a 55 zone.

I've also seen plenty of folks in recent travels (Raleigh, Chicago, hell, almost anywhere) who travel 20-30 MPH > posted speed limit :eek:.Never speed in Virginia. (https://jalopnik.com/what-every-driver-should-know-about-speeding-in-virgini-1669902845) Not even a little bit.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

03-13-2019, 08:08 AM

Never speed in Virginia.[/URL] Not even a little bit.

Also, pay your bridge/tunnel tolls as soon as you receive them in the mail. Sheesh.

Troublemaker

03-13-2019, 08:09 AM

If this were an individual sport like tennis, it would strike me that UVA and UNC both have strategic tank possibilities.

For UVA, it feels like they have one win against Duke in them this season. Why kill yourself to win a knock-down, drag-out fight against Duke here in the ACCT when you can save it for the NCAAT? Do they really want to enter the tournament as the overall #1 seed? Maybe give that up to Duke, let the media feed on Zion-mania and crown Duke early as the champs, and slip quietly under the radar instead.

That has to be balanced against the desire to be in the DC regional, though.

For UNC, the difference between being 2-1 against Duke (and 0-1 against healthy Duke) vs being 2-0 against Duke is much greater than the difference between being 3-0 against Duke vs being 2-0 against Duke. There's more downside than upside, in other words.

That has to be balanced against the desire to be a 1-seed, though.

Just a thought. Not sure I believe either team will tank, and I certainly don't think either team would discuss tanking on a team level. If this were an individual sport like tennis, though, yes you might tank a smaller tournament if the big Grand Slam tournament is coming up.

uh_no

03-13-2019, 08:28 AM

Never speed in Virginia.[/URL] Not even a little bit.

the article doesn't corroborate your claim. it says don't go over 80, which is absolutely true. I, like no doubt many here, travel through VA all the time. I cruise up 85/95 at ~77 in a 70 all the time and have never had an issue. I don't fault anyone for sticking to 70, but so long as you're below 80, you're golden.

wsb3

03-13-2019, 08:37 AM

https://youtu.be/X4gptzlIGow

-jk

Thanks JK for the memory.

I am one of the "Get off my ##&&**** Lawn.. in regards to what the ACC has become.. I will always remember fondly the old 8 team ACC. 3 day tourney and for love of all that is holy it would never be held in New York..

I find myself more and more enjoying the mid major tournaments. The excitement for a team like Gardner Webb, who has never been to the Dance.. Most of the kids are not going pro anywhere. Probably just me being a grumpy old man but it just feels like there is more of a simple love of the game..

budwom

03-13-2019, 08:41 AM

Never speed in Virginia.[/URL] Not even a little bit.

Ha...I can think of one exception: some years ago I was driving thru on my way to Topsail Island, we were staying up near Winchester in the NW corner of the state...giant snow storm was approaching, the entire state was shut down (schools canceled, businesses closed) and we thought we could beat the snow as we traversed the state down to Freddysburg....left early in the morning, not a car nor cop to be seen on the interstates, probably averaged 90+.....I wouldn't try it again thought.
I suspect all the cops were on bread and milk runs.

DarkstarWahoo

03-13-2019, 08:47 AM

Final scores from yesterday. Remarkable precision!

79-71
78-71
80-70

jv001

03-13-2019, 10:13 AM

Ha...I can think of one exception: some years ago I was driving thru on my way to Topsail Island, we were staying up near Winchester in the NW corner of the state...giant snow storm was approaching, the entire state was shut down (schools canceled, businesses closed) and we thought we could beat the snow as we traversed the state down to Freddysburg...left early in the morning, not a car nor cop to be seen on the interstates, probably averaged 90+....I wouldn't try it again thought.
I suspect all the cops were on bread and milk runs.

Never, ever speed in one of those small South Carolina towns. They can't wait to catch an out of state vehicle coming through. I once was given a ticket for 38 in a 35 zone. My wife was really upset. She said. " all those times you were going 85 in a 70 zone and you never got pulled". Well that was on I-95 on the way to Florida. I guess it evens out. GoDuke!

szstark

03-13-2019, 10:18 AM

https://youtu.be/X4gptzlIGow

-jk
True story - when my dog would hear this song, he would run upstairs and hide under the bed. I guess I get a little loud during games.

sagegrouse

03-13-2019, 10:42 AM

Ha...I can think of one exception: some years ago I was driving thru on my way to Topsail Island, we were staying up near Winchester in the NW corner of the state...giant snow storm was approaching, the entire state was shut down (schools canceled, businesses closed) and we thought we could beat the snow as we traversed the state down to Freddysburg...left early in the morning, not a car nor cop to be seen on the interstates, probably averaged 90+....I wouldn't try it again thought.
I suspect all the cops were on bread and milk runs.

Speaking of "the beach." Delaware?? Keep to the limit, especially near the Atlantic coastline; lots of cops looking for lots of beachgoers from Philly, Baltimore and Washington.

Bob Green

03-13-2019, 12:27 PM

Clemson jumping all over N.C. State early with a double digit lead (26-13) with 10 minutes gone in the game.

robed deity

03-13-2019, 12:41 PM

There must be a way for the ACC to get better officials.

Bob Green

03-13-2019, 12:53 PM

Halftime: Clemson 42, N.C. State 26

Clemson is 8-13 (66.7%) on 3 PT FG.

fuse

03-13-2019, 01:03 PM

State presently playing themselves out of the NCAA tournament.

gofurman

03-13-2019, 01:03 PM

Halftime: Clemson 42, N.C. State 26

Clemson is 8-13 (66.7%) on 3 PT FG.

Go clemson. Beat VT. Syracuse. State? That's three good wins. State would be q1 because they are top 50 on neutral court.

devildeac

03-13-2019, 01:12 PM

There must be a way for the ACC to get better officials.

Not renewing the contract of one particular guy we saw as recently as 3/9/19 would raise the average/quality quite a bit. Well, maybe two guys. Amirite, weezie?

robed deity

03-13-2019, 01:14 PM

Not renewing the contract of one particular guy we saw as recently as 3/9/19 would raise the average/quality quite a bit. Well, maybe two guys. Amirite, weezie?

And you guessed it- he has been chiefly responsible for the poorly called (imo) game today.

Bob Green

03-13-2019, 01:17 PM

And you guessed it- he has been chiefly responsible for the poorly called (imo) game today.

Yep. TV Teddy called a questionable foul on Clemson three consecutive possessions, right before your first post.

Spanarkel

03-13-2019, 01:22 PM

In a 15-team league with 9 members affiliating with Nike, 4 with Adidas and 2 with UnderArmour, the ACCT is using the Spalding TF-1000 basketball. Not a huge fan of the ACC commish, but I do like the league's choice of the basketball this season.

We will now be able to have 9 games of data to see how Duke shoots with non-Nike basketballs!

In a separate but related issue, Notre Dame(an UnderArmour school for uniforms), uses the Wilson NCAA model ball for its home games, which is the official ball of March Madness. Obviously, Mike Brey was able to carve out separate agreements with UA for uniforms and Wilson for the basketballs.

Now back to the second half of Clemson-NCSU.

Bob Green

03-13-2019, 01:30 PM

Elijah Thomas just picked up foul #4 and Clemson's lead is down to 4 points (51-47).

PackMan97

03-13-2019, 01:42 PM

State by 1, 5 minutes left.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

03-13-2019, 01:45 PM

State by 1, 5 minutes left.

Amazing. Up 4, 4 to go.

DukeDevil

03-13-2019, 01:46 PM

Interesting bit of info scheyer said in episode 8 of the duke basketball podcast. They were talking about end of game free throws and he said he’d only have passed the ball away (instead of taking them himself) to Trajan, Reddick, or Besser...didn’t realize Besser was that good a free throw shooter...

JasonEvans

03-13-2019, 01:59 PM

Oh what a totally Clemson thing to do! Trying to foul to burn time and you send a guy to the line with a chance to win it.

freshmanjs

03-13-2019, 01:59 PM

Clemson got hosed. There was no foul on that shot with 2.6 left.

JasonEvans

03-13-2019, 02:03 PM

And State is going dancing... Clemson probably won't.

-Jason "too bad as I think Clemson might have had a tourney run in them but I am skeptical State will do much of anything" Evans

PackMan97

03-13-2019, 02:03 PM

State wins!

Time to dance.

Bob Green

03-13-2019, 02:04 PM

State bailed out by that phantom foul call on the drive to the basket.

TruBlu

03-13-2019, 02:04 PM

Congrats PACKMAN. Never in doubt, huh?

devildeac

03-13-2019, 02:05 PM

Oh what a totally Clemson thing to do! Trying to foul to burn time and you send a guy to the line with a chance to win it.

Clemson got hosed. There was no foul on that shot with 2.6 left.

And State is going dancing... Clemson probably won't.

-Jason "too bad as I think Clemson might have had a tourney run in them but I am skeptical State will do much of anything" Evans

I'm going to check on elvis14 via PM now. :eek:

PackMan97

03-13-2019, 02:06 PM

State bailed out by that phantom foul call on the drive to the basket.

Duke fans complaining about State getting all the calls in game against Clemson? I'm going to write this down in my "Signs pigs are about to fly" notebook.

PackMan97

03-13-2019, 02:07 PM

Congrats PACKMAN. Never in doubt, huh?

LOL! It's PackMan97. If you want to shorten it, you can use PM97.

I'm a State fan. Even if we were up 20 with a minute to play...it's ALWAYS in doubt ;) I'm still not sure they aren't going to review the last play and call the teams back onto the court for a second try.

Bob Green

03-13-2019, 02:08 PM

Duke fans complaining about State getting all the calls in game against Clemson? I'm going to write this down in my "Signs pigs are about to fly" notebook.

Clemson was robbed. You watched it -- was the foul call legit?

PackMan97

03-13-2019, 02:09 PM

Clemson was robbed. You watched it -- was the foul call legit?

Sorry, didn't watch it. Listening to it on my radio. I'm old school. Though it feels odd to be tuned to an FM station instead of 680.

JasonEvans

03-13-2019, 02:11 PM

State bailed out by that phantom foul call on the drive to the basket.

This is the closest anyone on Clemson comes to fouling on that play. The ref who called it is watching Markel Johnson's back... truly a wretched call. I feel for Clemson who had so many heartbreaks this season. They really were a better team than their record showed (28 in KenPom but 300th in Pom's Luck rating).

https://i.ibb.co/Bt2tYFK/Capture.png

gofurman

03-13-2019, 02:12 PM

Clemson was robbed. You watched it -- was the foul call legit?

Clemson man. Hope they get a bid

wsb3

03-13-2019, 02:13 PM

Duke fans complaining about State getting all the calls in game against Clemson? I'm going to write this down in my "Signs pigs are about to fly" notebook.

Not all the calls but that last one was not a call a ref should make to decide a game. I like Clemson & the Pack both & hope they both get bids. I am watching on the computer & have the stadium announcer. No analysts, which can be good. But curious about what was said about that call.

CameronBlue

03-13-2019, 02:13 PM

Duke fans complaining about State getting all the calls in game against Clemson? I'm going to write this down in my "Signs pigs are about to fly" notebook.

As a grad of NC State I guess you probably know the signs when you see them.

jv001

03-13-2019, 02:17 PM

Listening to State's point guard, Johnson being interviewed after the game makes me realize how blessed I am to have a team like Duke to root for. Every year we don't have to sweat it out if we'll be in the NCAAT. Johnson said playing in the NCAAT is the biggest thing for him(paraphrasing). I can remember when I used to pray we just made it into the Big Dance because it wasn't always like it is now. One thing the OAD has accomplished is we don't have to go through those times. Thanks Coach K for changing with the times. GoDuke!

duke4ever19

03-13-2019, 02:18 PM

What a horrible call, and I was cheering for State too.

fuse

03-13-2019, 02:25 PM

The new talking heads paired with Lunardi on the ESPN between games broadcast are terrible.

robed deity

03-13-2019, 03:41 PM

Just a really poorly officiated game, particularly against Clemson. And again involving Ted Valentine.

wsb3

03-13-2019, 03:48 PM

Brad's Press Conference up first. He did a pretty good job of watching his words..but his facial expressions...

http://www.espn.com/watch/player?id=90665a1d-9586-4da3-a949-fe3724800a05

duke4ever19

03-13-2019, 03:49 PM

Just a really poorly officiated game, particularly against Clemson. And again involving Ted Valentine.

I'd love to know the ref assignment schedule for the ACC Tournament, if there exists such a document.

Neals384

03-13-2019, 03:50 PM

Just a really poorly officiated game, particularly against Clemson. And again involving Ted Valentine.

Agree on the final drive phantom foul. But state got hosed too on a missed goaltend a minute earlier. Just poor quality refs.

robed deity

03-13-2019, 04:01 PM

Agree on the final drive phantom foul. But state got hosed too on a missed goaltend a minute earlier. Just poor quality refs.

True. Missed calls both ways. But there was a sequence in the first half where I admire Brownell for not losing it. It was that bad.

gotoguy

03-13-2019, 04:04 PM

I saw it twice on replay and I thought the call was legit. Was rooting for the Tigers though

tteettimes

03-13-2019, 04:13 PM

Which would be worst for us....
Teddy V ref our game or he ref the Holes game??

PackMan97

03-13-2019, 04:31 PM

Which would be worst for us...
Teddy V ref our game or he ref the Holes game??

Any game TV Teddy refs is a bad game for anyone that loves basketball.

TruBlu

03-13-2019, 04:40 PM

LOL! It's PackMan97. If you want to shorten it, you can use PM97.

I'm a State fan. Even if we were up 20 with a minute to play...it's ALWAYS in doubt ;) I'm still not sure they aren't going to review the last play and call the teams back onto the court for a second try.

Sorry for my swing and miss on your name. Will try to do better in the future.

As far as the last foul call, there was slight contact on his arm, and a slight pat on the butt from behind. Neither of the contacts would normally be called a foul, especially in an end of game situation. I’ve seen players absolutely get hammered at the end of games where the officials swallow their whistle. I’m in agreement that the game should be called the same and consistently throughout the entire game. We at Duke have seen calls go for us and against us in end of game situations.

My congratulations to you were sincere, not sarcastic. Sometimes you get the calls, sometimes you don’t.

Tripping William

03-13-2019, 04:42 PM

Hokies advance to face the Noles by easily defeating the Canes.

Dr. Rosenrosen

03-13-2019, 04:50 PM

Just a really poorly officiated game, particularly against Clemson. And again involving Ted Valentine.
Was listening on the radio and even the radio announcer called him “TV Ted Valentine” during their broadcast. It’s not just a fan thing...

BLPOG

03-13-2019, 05:01 PM

the article doesn't corroborate your claim. it says don't go over 80, which is absolutely true. I, like no doubt many here, travel through VA all the time. I cruise up 85/95 at ~77 in a 70 all the time and have never had an issue. I don't fault anyone for sticking to 70, but so long as you're below 80, you're golden.

Not in the vicinity of Dinwiddie

ncexnyc

03-13-2019, 05:04 PM

That was definitely a suspect call, but like I've always said, "You never should put yourself in a position where the game comes down to a bad call." As far as I'm concerned the Tigers gave the game away long before that play happened.

BLPOG

03-13-2019, 05:11 PM

Any game TV Teddy refs is a bad game for anyone that loves basketball.

Should be in throatybeard's DBR reference guide

weezie

03-13-2019, 05:39 PM

Not renewing the contract of one particular guy we saw as recently as 3/9/19 would raise the average/quality quite a bit. Well, maybe two guys. Amirite, weezie?

You am dd. It's time they cut unplugged that cord.

AceDukie77

03-13-2019, 05:53 PM

The Syracuse Post Standard just posted that Tyus Battle will not play for them against Pitt tonight. He is by far their most explosive scorer on a pretty "challenged" offense. Maybe an upset in the making? We play the winner tomorrow night. I would REALLY like our chances against Pitt!

uh_no

03-13-2019, 06:24 PM

ducks thrown pitchforks

On the first replay I didn't think it was a foul, then the second replay there was definitely arm to arm contact as the shot was initiated. A foul by the books.

Clemson had bigger problems in the second half than a questionable call down the stretch.

uh_no

03-13-2019, 06:34 PM

just want to also point out that after VT's win, the Zion Revenge Rampage Tour is still alive.

duke2x

03-13-2019, 07:01 PM

There must be a way for the ACC to get better officials.

I offer the following for discussion purposes:

KenPom (2017): https://kenpom.com/blog/roger-ayers-is-the-best-ref/
List of Final 4 refs, which is ACC heavy: https://phillyref.com/basketball/postseasonmen.html

I don't agree with everything in those articles. Without naming names, I probably would grade out the current crop of ACC regulars at a C-/D+ median.

Officiating is a double-edged sword. You can make 6 figures at the price of leaving your family for half the year and working 100 games. Do you really need Ayers, Valentine, and Jones, 3 guys with multiple Final 4s, at the Army game in Cameron? Additionally, by the time your kids are grown, you are past your prime. Most officials should retire about age 50 because there's often a quick trajectory downward.

The bottom line is that there's not enough good officials out there for the P5 conferences post-expansion. I'm not sure that making officials actual NCAA employees with 60 game caps is the answer.

-jk

03-13-2019, 07:11 PM

DBR Chat (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/misc.php?do=cchatbox) is open for the ACC Tourney!

If it gets a bit slow, refresh the page. If you're on a mobile device, you'll need to select "Blue" at the bottom.

As always - please follow the DBR Posting Guidelines.

Let's Go Duke!

-jk

uh_no

03-13-2019, 07:27 PM

The bottom line is that there's not enough good officials out there for the P5 conferences post-expansion. I'm not sure that making officials actual NCAA employees with 60 game caps is the answer.

bingo. the earlier discussion about how people treat youth/HS refs like absolute crap probably doesn't help.

dukejim1

03-13-2019, 08:10 PM

Off recent topic, but I have a Nephew in Charlotte whose son has become a Zion induced fan of the Devils. He is hoping to have his son see the team as they enter or leave the hotel. Does anybody know which hotel they are using?

-jk

03-13-2019, 08:14 PM

Raycom feed just ran an ad split screen - during live action!

Good riddance!

-jk

uh_no

03-13-2019, 08:23 PM

Raycom feed just ran an ad split screen - during live action!

Good riddance!

-jk

idk...i'd almost rather watch ads in split screen than jay bilas or whatever junk ESPN wants to hock.

Acymetric

03-13-2019, 08:28 PM

idk...i'd almost rather watch ads in split screen than jay bilas or whatever junk ESPN wants to hock.

Yeah, no better than any other dumb split screen garbage...I'm also not completely sure I haven't seen that on other networks and no doubt it's coming even if Raycom was the first.

AGDukesky

03-13-2019, 08:37 PM

Looks like the Irish have Louisville exactly where you want them...

Pghdukie

03-13-2019, 08:38 PM

Where is TV Teddy ?

goduke03861

03-13-2019, 08:40 PM

devildeac

03-13-2019, 08:43 PM

Raycom feed just ran an ad split screen - during live action!

Good riddance!

-jk

Stereoscopic! I thought yo' Mama taught you how to view that format. ;)

-jk

03-13-2019, 08:50 PM

Stereoscopic! I thought yo' Mama taught you how to view that format. ;)

If only...

-jk

Pghdukie

03-13-2019, 09:28 PM

I dont know if this has been mentioned but Dick Groat announced that he is retiring as color commentary man for Pitt basketball. Groat has had a very distinguished career starting at Duke basketball and ending with the Cardinals in MLB. Enjoy your retirement sir !

PackMan97

03-13-2019, 09:46 PM

A great view of the end of the State/Clemson game.

https://twitter.com/newsobserver/status/1105941885447753728

edit; sorry my bad

Acymetric

03-13-2019, 09:58 PM

Raycom feed just ran an ad split screen - during live action!

Good riddance!

-jk

Yeah, no better than any other dumb split screen garbage...I'm also not completely sure I haven't seen that on other networks and no doubt it's coming even if Raycom was the first.

Ok, after seeing it again I retract my original statement and would like to go on record that I hate it. It doesn't help that I find the Coke Vanilla Orange commercial really annoying.

duke4ever19

03-13-2019, 10:51 PM

Why is Pitt suddenly playing like there's one minute left in the second half?

UrinalCake

03-13-2019, 10:53 PM

Pitt keeps feeding the ball into the middle of the Syracuse zone, and instead of shooting the wide open foul line jumper they just turn and look for someone to pass it to. Shoot the ball!

Not looking good for them as Syracuse is starting to pull away. Maybe Pitt has one last push.

CoachJ10

03-13-2019, 10:54 PM

This Pitt / Cuse game is tough to watch. Jeff has a lot of wood to chop to get better talent...the current crop is “limited”.

Acymetric

03-13-2019, 10:55 PM

Both teams shooting much better from 3 than from 2.

jipops

03-13-2019, 10:56 PM

Pitt looks pretty awful. I would much rather be facing them tomorrow night. Syracuse isn’t playing well but they worry me, especially if Battle comes back.

duke4ever19

03-13-2019, 10:58 PM

Pitt looks pretty awful. I would much rather be facing them tomorrow night. Syracuse worries me, especially if Battle comes back.

That's the weird thing . . . they looked good for most of the first half and now playing frantic basketball. I don't know what got into them.

English

03-13-2019, 11:02 PM

Pitt looks pretty awful. I would much rather be facing them tomorrow night. Syracuse isn’t playing well but they worry me, especially if Battle comes back.

According to Syracuse.com or whatever their local beat outlet is, Battle would be doubtful to play tomorrow if/when they advance.

jipops

03-13-2019, 11:04 PM

According to Syracuse.com or whatever their local beat outlet is, Battle would be doubtful to play tomorrow if/when they advance.

I saw that too. Also heard on the tv “day to day” (aren’t we all?). I’m betting on him playing.

rsvman

03-13-2019, 11:09 PM

They were leaving the center of the zone wide open. Looks like Capel didn't put a competent shooter in there.
In fact, it looks like he deliberately put a good passer in there with the intent of drawing people into the center of the zone and then passing the ball out to a player for a three. Plan looks like it would work if anybody could, you know, actually make one.

jipops

03-13-2019, 11:11 PM

Chuckwu going to be a problem for us tomorrow.

Acymetric

03-13-2019, 11:28 PM

Worst of both worlds for Pitt there...run the clock all the way down to 5 then foul 45 feet from the basket.

awhom111

03-14-2019, 12:21 AM

Are we using this as a game thread? If someone starts one later, they can copy this:

Here are the TV stations carrying the Raycom feed of the game:
http://theacc.com/sports/2019/2/20/MBB_ACCT-3-14-2019-QF4.aspx

The Raycom feed can be seen for free on this link with no geographical restrictions:
http://www.theacc.com/watch/?id=161574

pfrduke

03-14-2019, 01:45 AM

Thursday’s lineup:

[1]Virginia (-13) vs. [32]NC State (12:30, ESPN)
[16]Florida State (+3) vs. [11]Virginia Tech (3:00ish, ESPN)
[5]North Carolina (-5) vs. [15]Louisville (7:00, ESPN)
[3]Duke (-11) vs. [38]Syracuse (9:30ish, ESPN)

brevity

03-14-2019, 02:16 AM

According to Syracuse.com or whatever their local beat outlet is, Battle would be doubtful to play tomorrow if/when they advance.

Stephen Wiseman @stevewisemanNC (link (https://twitter.com/stevewisemanNC/status/1106040144463831042))

Boeheim said Tyus Battle's bruised back regressed over last couple of days. Yesterday they thought he would play tonight. Now Boeheim said Battle is "2-3 days" away from playing. So likely out vs. Duke

8:51 PM - 13 Mar 2019

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

03-14-2019, 05:43 AM

Stephen Wiseman @stevewisemanNC (link (https://twitter.com/stevewisemanNC/status/1106040144463831042))

Boeheim said Tyus Battle's bruised back regressed over last couple of days. Yesterday they thought he would play tonight. Now Boeheim said Battle is "2-3 days" away from playing. So likely out vs. Duke

8:51 PM - 13 Mar 2019

Let's make t shirts!

subzero02

03-14-2019, 06:21 AM

Tyus Battle and Zion are both listed as probable on vegasinsider

wgl1228

03-14-2019, 10:29 AM

As of an hour ago, Adam Zagoria reporting Battle will not play but should be ready for NCAA Tournament.

AGDukesky

03-14-2019, 10:31 AM

What coach says a player is 2-3 days from playing?! We all know the correct coach speak is “day-to-day”😛

robed deity

03-14-2019, 01:02 PM

I continue to be surprised at how pressure seems to really bother UVA. They're still gonna win this, but there's been several times this year where they turn it over more than you think they would.

dukejim1

03-14-2019, 01:12 PM

They're at the Westin on College

Thanks very much

Tooold

03-14-2019, 01:25 PM

Terrible first half for UVA. (Wearing warm-up shirts that say “Family”). And someone who knows more about the rules....does UVA set an illegal screen on every offensive possession? Or is it legal to lay on the back of the guy defending the ballhandler so he can’t move in any direction.

CDu

03-14-2019, 01:35 PM

Acymetric

03-14-2019, 01:39 PM

Terrible first half for UVA. (Wearing warm-up shirts that say “Family”). And someone who knows more about the rules...does UVA set an illegal screen on every offensive possession? Or is it legal to lay on the back of the guy defending the ballhandler so he can’t move in any direction.

Either that is league-wide for the tournament or you were looking at the Syracuse (which also wears orange) when you saw the warm-up shirts. I know, because I found it an amusing shirt for them to wear when I saw it last night given that Boeheim's son is on the team.

60sDukie

03-14-2019, 01:47 PM

Tooold

03-14-2019, 01:53 PM

Either that is league-wide for the tournament or you were looking at the Syracuse (which also wears orange) when you saw the warm-up shirts. I know, because I found it an amusing shirt for them to wear when I saw it last night given that Boeheim's son is on the team.
UVA’s warm-up jerseys definitely say “Family”. I don’t think NCState’s do. So maybe some teams copied. Or it is their unoriginal version of “brotherhood”.

flyingdutchdevil

03-14-2019, 01:56 PM

UVA’s warm-up jerseys definitely say “Family”. I don’t think NCState’s do. So maybe some teams copied. Or it is their unoriginal version of “brotherhood”.

Cuse and UVa are Nike. NCSU is adidas.

Maybe a Nike-wide thing?

devilsadvocate85

03-14-2019, 01:57 PM

UVA’s warm-up jerseys definitely say “Family”. I don’t think NCState’s do. So maybe some teams copied. Or it is their unoriginal version of “brotherhood”.

These shirts are all over the country. They are Nike shirts, so you'll see some variation of them on most Nike programs.

Acymetric

03-14-2019, 01:58 PM

UVA’s warm-up jerseys definitely say “Family”. I don’t think NCState’s do. So maybe some teams copied. Or it is their unoriginal version of “brotherhood”.

Looking around the internet a little I think it may be a Nike branding thing. I see some "FAMILY" gear for a bunch of schools.

Edit: devilsadvocate85 beat me to it

devildeac

03-14-2019, 01:58 PM

I don't like loovil but, go cards! (shower time-I feel dirty)

devilsadvocate85

03-14-2019, 02:03 PM

Brief view of FSU warming up in a hallway. Their's say family as well.

ElliottHoo

03-14-2019, 02:11 PM

I continue to be surprised at how pressure seems to really bother UVA. They're still gonna win this, but there's been several times this year where they turn it over more than you think they would.

Pressure really has been an issue for UVA this year. Its not so much that pressure consistently forces UVA into making a bunch of TOs. Sometimes they'll turn it over more often than you'd expect and sometimes not. However, the real issue is that, for whatever reason, UVA has been terrible at turning broken presses into easy lay-ups.

Pressing UVA this year is like a free option. Maybe you'll get some extra TOs out of it and maybe you won't, but you may as well because its probably not going to cost you anything to try.

flyingdutchdevil

03-14-2019, 02:29 PM

Pressure really has been an issue for UVA this year. Its not so much that pressure consistently forces UVA into making a bunch of TOs. Sometimes they'll turn it over more often than you'd expect and sometimes not. However, the real issue is that, for whatever reason, UVA has been terrible at turning broken presses into easy lay-ups.

Pressing UVA this year is like a free option. Maybe you'll get some extra TOs out of it and maybe you won't, but you may as well because its probably not going to cost you anything to try.

Pressure or no pressure, I continue to be mesmerized by Kyle Guy. I love that dude. Incredible shooter. So smart offensively. Scrappy on defense.

I usually have one non-Duke crush per year. It is usually a player I wish was a Blue Devil because their either a) embody Duke culture or b) have something Duke lacks. Guy fits both criteria.

PackMan97

03-14-2019, 02:51 PM

Hope Virginia gets their act together. Want NC State to get crushed after what they and the refs did to Clemson yesterday. Haven’t really analyzed whether a Virginia or State win would be best for Duke. Just want State to lose

Just what did State do to Clemson that had you so salty?

https://twitter.com/newsobserver/status/1105941885447753728

Tooold

03-14-2019, 02:59 PM

These shirts are all over the country. They are Nike shirts, so you'll see some variation of them on most Nike programs.
Yep. Just saw them on VT too. I hope ours say something different.

rsvman

03-14-2019, 03:06 PM

Guy goes 7-9 from three and the Hoos won by 20.
They are going to be tough to beat if he continues to shoot like that.

fuse

03-14-2019, 03:12 PM

Guy goes 7-9 from three and the Hoos won by 20.
They are going to be tough to beat if he continues to shoot like that.

I’m sure there are some stats that could prove or disprove the statement that the Charlotte rims seem shooter friendly.

UVa1981

03-14-2019, 03:15 PM

Guy goes 7-9 from three and the Hoos won by 20.
They are going to be tough to beat if he continues to shoot like that.

Jerome was cold for the whole game (double figure assists, though) and Hunter was cold in the first half. The outlier was Salt with 18 points.

Guy is still hacked off from last year's end.

devildeac

03-14-2019, 03:17 PM

I’m sure there are some stats that could prove or disprove the statement that the Charlotte rims seem shooter friendly.

They've yet to be tested by that team from Derm :rolleyes:.

Bob Green

03-14-2019, 03:21 PM

Florida State pounding Virginia Tech early 17-4. Kerry Blackshear appears bothered by Koumadje's size.

jv001

03-14-2019, 03:27 PM

Looking around the internet a little I think it may be a Nike branding thing. I see some "FAMILY" gear for a bunch of schools.

Edit: devilsadvocate85 beat me to it

If it's Nike, I hope Duke's Ts say SHOE!!!! GoDuke!

DukieInBrasil

03-14-2019, 04:17 PM

Of course, vs Duke, Kerry Blackshear couldn't really miss, not so much vs FSU. 3-9 Fgs, 0-4 from 3, 0-2 FTs so far.
Wish we coulda got some of that up in Blacksburg.

dukelifer

03-14-2019, 04:36 PM

Florida State pounding Virginia Tech early 17-4. Kerry Blackshear appears bothered by Koumadje's size.

Within 2 now with under 10 to go

AGDukesky

03-14-2019, 04:40 PM

I want Va Tech to win, beat UVA, and face the wrath of Zion and his revenge tour

UVa1981

03-14-2019, 04:53 PM

I want Va Tech to win, beat UVA, and face the wrath of Zion and his revenge tour

IMO, Virginia Tech, given their lack of depth and playing their 3d game in 3 days, would be an easier out for us than FSU, particularly given their depth and size.

If Buzz wants to get somewhere in the single-elimination tournaments, he's going to have to fill out some depth.

AGDukesky

03-14-2019, 05:08 PM

IMO, Virginia Tech, given their lack of depth and playing their 3d game in 3 days, would be an easier out for us than FSU, particularly given their depth and size.

If Buzz wants to get somewhere in the single-elimination tournaments, he's going to have to fill out some depth.

My wish is all about playing VT and not it beating UVA. I do feel UVA was very fortunate to face VT when it shot under 10% from 3 and would like to see a rematch with more normal play.

Bob Green

03-14-2019, 05:22 PM

FSU wins 65-63. Terrence Mann made an amazing shot so if you didn't see it I recommend you watch the highlight.

EDIT: Video here (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/video?gameId=401120701)

UVa1981

03-14-2019, 05:30 PM

My wish is all about playing VT and not it beating UVA. I do feel UVA was very fortunate to face VT when it shot under 10% from 3 and would like to see a rematch with more normal play.

If I were Duke, I would much rather face a exhausted Virginia Tech (particularly after an OT) than a deeper, fresher UVa that might have a chip on its should on account of the two times Duke beat us this year.

All that said, I'm glad to Williamson back. His return tonight should be electric. Ditto going up against UNC, particularly since he didn't get a crack at them earlier this year.

I think it's Duke vs. Virginia in the finals. It would be fun to watch.

dukelifer

03-14-2019, 05:36 PM

devildeac

03-14-2019, 05:49 PM

Wow. That was impressive

I thought the Clemson player fouled him on that shot.

(:rolleyes:)

uh_no

03-14-2019, 06:20 PM

FSU wins 65-63. Terrence Mann made an amazing shot so if you didn't see it I recommend you watch the highlight.

EDIT: Video here (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/video?gameId=401120701)

there was some ugly, ugly late game play here. VT at the end of regulation was head scratching. the guy with the ball kind of stopped (i think he expected a timeout), and then blackshear jacked it from halfcourt with 2.5 seconds left or some such. If I'm a coach....on day one of practice, i'm having everyone run layups from half court at fullspeed, then timing them. 2.5 seconds is a long time. now maybe he couldn't get to the rim, but he sure as heck could have gotten a lot closer. There's just no reason to not get closer. I see it all the time and it makes me cringe.

There was a three jacked for VT from like 30' with 5s left on the shot clock

Then in OT, FSU had 12 seconds or whatever, and they get THAT prayer of a shot? Yeah, it went in, but with a timeout and 11 seconds, you ought to be able to get a better shot than that. That's a very low percentage look forced by the fact that they kind of took their time bringing the ball up....even the commentators were shouting for him to go.

Anyway, exciting, but undisciplined play.....

DU82

03-14-2019, 06:30 PM

Go Pimps! Beat the Cheaters!

CDu

03-14-2019, 06:35 PM

IMO, Virginia Tech, given their lack of depth and playing their 3d game in 3 days, would be an easier out for us than FSU, particularly given their depth and size.

If Buzz wants to get somewhere in the single-elimination tournaments, he's going to have to fill out some depth.

Well, yeah, Buzz is currently fielding a team without two of his starters. So of course depth is a problem.

Bob Green

03-14-2019, 06:38 PM

Then in OT, FSU had 12 seconds or whatever, and they get THAT prayer of a shot? Yeah, it went in, but with a timeout and 11 seconds, you ought to be able to get a better shot than that. That's a very low percentage look forced by the fact that they kind of took their time bringing the ball up...even the commentators were shouting for him to go.

Anyway, exciting, but undisciplined play...

You're correct. The FSU player bringing the ball up the court had zero situational awareness, which is why Mann was calling for the ball. Once Mann had the ball he took off and got the shot.

jimsumner

03-14-2019, 06:52 PM

If Buzz wants to get somewhere in the single-elimination tournaments, he's going to have to fill out some depth.

In fairness to Buzz, I do not think he anticipated being without Clarke all year and Robinson down the stretch. He's done a pretty job of patching up the holes.

UVa1981

03-14-2019, 07:05 PM

In fairness to Buzz, I do not think he anticipated being without Clarke all year and Robinson down the stretch. He's done a pretty job of patching up the holes.

I don't dispute that Williams has done a great jump of "patching the holes." In fact, despite my Virginia bias, I think Williams might well be more deserving of the in-season COY than Bennett. But see below.

Well, yeah, Buzz is currently fielding a team without two of his starters. So of course depth is a problem.

Lack of depth was always there ready to pounce. Look what's going on next year: eligibility is exhausted for Robinson, Hill, and Outlaw. Alexander-Walker may be gone into the draft. Of his starters, only Blackshear may remain.

The problem I'm describing is roster management. Williams needs a longer bench.

Acymetric

03-14-2019, 07:08 PM

Terrible foul call as the unc player just loses his balance and falls over.

devildeac

03-14-2019, 07:13 PM

Terrible foul call as the unc player just loses his balance and falls over.

Early swoffording. :mad:

uh_no

03-14-2019, 07:15 PM

Early swoffording. :mad:
it's alright...Bilas has already started ignoring facts earlier than usual tonight...claiming UNC had the hardest schedule in the ACC, and pointing out their two wins over a weakened duke as evidence.

insufferable.

Edit: apparently he has now declared white's hair a national treasure....

Kjeffrey

03-14-2019, 07:22 PM

it's alright...Bilas has already started ignoring facts earlier than usual tonight...claiming UNC had the hardest schedule in the ACC, and pointing out their two wins over a weakened duke as evidence.

insufferable.

Edit: apparently he has now declared white's hair a national treasure...

I caught those comments. His effusiveness about UNC is so absurd. I particularly liked it when he was complaining about Williams not being on the all defensive team. In the replay he was referencing Williams completely fouled the Louisville player.

And I also think he said they had the toughest schedule in the country.

devildeac

03-14-2019, 07:23 PM

subzero02

03-14-2019, 07:32 PM

unc is trying to drop 50+ on Louisville in the first half

chrishoke

03-14-2019, 07:33 PM

Heels offense is cooking. Up by 13. They have a lot of weapons.

dukelifer

03-14-2019, 07:34 PM

I caught those comments. His effusiveness about UNC is so absurd. I particularly liked it when he was complaining about Williams not being on the all defensive team. In the replay he was referencing Williams completely fouled the Louisville player.

And I also think he said they had the toughest schedule in the country.

This is a very confident UNC team and despite their easy unbalanced schedule- they are winning games and many fairly easily. Experience matters and White is better than most expected.

MChambers

03-14-2019, 07:44 PM

I caught those comments. His effusiveness about UNC is so absurd. I particularly liked it when he was complaining about Williams not being on the all defensive team. In the replay he was referencing Williams completely fouled the Louisville player.

And I also think he said they had the toughest schedule in the country.

I’ll be watching on Raycom tonight and tomorrow, annoying split screen or not. Can’t take Bilas.

subzero02

03-14-2019, 07:44 PM

Williams' drive was a more egregious charge than any charge that RJ was called for on Saturday...

weezie

03-14-2019, 07:47 PM

...Bilas has... apparently...now declared white's hair a national treasure...

Ok Jay, ok, we get it! You're bald, bald, bald. It's a tired schtick.
Get some new material ya dope!

Kjeffrey

03-14-2019, 07:47 PM

Williams' drive was a more egregious charge than any charge that RJ was called for on Saturday...

And yet Bilas thought it was a flop. He was quick to point out Barrett extended his arm on those charge calls. Williams did the same thing!!!!

jipops

03-14-2019, 07:51 PM

This game already seems over. This unc team is impressive. Safe money they will be playing for another title next month.

ncexnyc

03-14-2019, 08:00 PM

This game already seems over. This unc team is impressive. Safe money they will be playing for another title next month.

Would that be the same UNCheat team that gets written off year after year on this board?

TruBlu

03-14-2019, 08:02 PM

it's alright...Bilas has already started ignoring facts earlier than usual tonight...claiming UNC had the hardest schedule in the ACC, and pointing out their two wins over a weakened duke as evidence.

insufferable.

Edit: apparently he has now declared white's hair a national treasure...

Raycom is trying to outdo Bilas. They just pointed out that Cuse beat Duke at Duke when “Duke had Zion”. They failed to mention that Duke was without Tres and Cam.

Hard to tell which is worse. . . the officiating or the announcers.

brevity

03-14-2019, 08:04 PM

I’ll be watching on Raycom tonight and tomorrow, annoying split screen or not. Can’t take Bilas.

This is the correct approach. The ACC Tournament is broadcast on Raycom and streaming at theacc.com. The Selection Show and the NCAA Tournament are on CBS and Turner Sports.

Simply put, unless you wish to watch another conference tournament this week, you no longer need ESPN this season. If Jay Bilas wants to keep being a dingus, let him. It’s only bothersome if you volunteer to keep watching, and ignore the alternative.

uh_no

03-14-2019, 08:19 PM

Raycom is trying to outdo Bilas. They just pointed out that Cuse beat Duke at Duke when “Duke had Zion”. They failed to mention that Duke was without Tres and Cam.

Hard to tell which is worse. . . the officiating or the announcers.

they're mailing this whole thing in as a big FU for ending the relationship. raycom has no incentive to do a good job here.

Acymetric

03-14-2019, 08:25 PM

they're mailing this whole thing in as a big FU for ending the relationship. raycom has no incentive to do a good job here.

My understanding is that the ACC Network is essentially going to absorb Raycom, is that not the case?

Kjeffrey

03-14-2019, 08:28 PM

Raycom is trying to outdo Bilas. They just pointed out that Cuse beat Duke at Duke when “Duke had Zion”. They failed to mention that Duke was without Tres and Cam.

Hard to tell which is worse. . . the officiating or the announcers.

I don't know who is doing the game for Raycom but I'm going to miss Dan Bonner, Tim Brando and Mike Gminski.

Kjeffrey

03-14-2019, 08:30 PM

That was the worst charge call.

robed deity

03-14-2019, 08:30 PM

These absurd charges must stop.

Dr. Rosenrosen

03-14-2019, 08:31 PM

Swoffy seems to have made the call. UL has no shot against these refs.

ns7

03-14-2019, 08:32 PM

That was the worst charge call.

I thought I understood the charge / block distinction and how it differs for primary and secondary defenders. I have no idea what constitutes a charge after the last week's games.

Dr. Rosenrosen

03-14-2019, 08:32 PM

That was the worst charge call.
Yeah. Johnson shuffled his feet up under Nwora even after he was in the air. Just ludicrous.

uh_no

03-14-2019, 08:33 PM

My understanding is that the ACC Network is essentially going to absorb Raycom, is that not the case?

i mean, ACCN is effectively ESPN by any other name. Maybe they'll pull in some of the announcers and producers and what-not....but I can't imagine they're buying out the people that actually own/run raycom...the ones who would make a call on something like running ads side by side during a game....could be wrong.

Dr. Rosenrosen

03-14-2019, 08:35 PM

Chris Mack must be beside himself about the Cheater refs and wondering what the hell he got himself into by jumping to the ACC.

Acymetric

03-14-2019, 08:35 PM

i mean, ACCN is effectively ESPN by any other name. Maybe they'll pull in some of the announcers and producers and what-not...but I can't imagine they're buying out the people that actually own/run raycom...the ones who would make a call on something like running ads side by side during a game...could be wrong.

Ok, that's a fair point. I've seen it speculated that some of the talent/support staff will be brought over (because of their knowledge of the leave, and ESPN is going to need SOME new people to cover the additional games/provide additional content) but whether that pans out or not I'm sure the ownership won't be involved.

uh_no

03-14-2019, 08:40 PM

Ok, that's a fair point. I've seen it speculated that some of the talent/support staff will be brought over (because of their knowledge of the leave, and ESPN is going to need SOME new people to cover the additional games/provide additional content) but whether that pans out or not I'm sure the ownership won't be involved.

either way, if it means less bilas, I'm all for it at this point.

subzero02

03-14-2019, 08:40 PM

Yeah. Johnson shuffled his feet up under Nwora even after he was in the air. Just ludicrous.

even if it were a charge and it definitely wasn't, I think the shot should've counted because he released the ball before contact was made.

Acymetric

03-14-2019, 08:42 PM

either way, if it means less bilas, I'm all for it at this point.

Can't spork you, but couldn't agree more. I used to defend him but he's just the worst now. I'd rather listen to Billy Packer.

Kjeffrey

03-14-2019, 08:44 PM

even if it were a charge and it definitely wasn't, I think the shot should've counted because he released the ball before contact was made.

And despite being a horrible call there was radio silence from Bilas. But he's distraught about an elbow in Cam Johnson's ribs.

-jk

03-14-2019, 08:45 PM

L’ville is still broken...

-jk

duke4ever19

03-14-2019, 08:52 PM

Roy and TV Teddy whispering sweet-nothings.

Dr. Rosenrosen

03-14-2019, 08:53 PM

Roy and TV Teddy whispering sweet-nothings.
Yeah that was a horrendous call in UL’s favor. Loved it.

devildeac

03-14-2019, 08:56 PM

Yeah. Johnson shuffled his feet up under Nwora even after he was in the air. Just ludicrous.

Another dean's myth invention.

:mad:

Dr. Rosenrosen

03-14-2019, 09:01 PM

Love how they showed Maye highlights just now and the last one was a full on shove in the back of UL player that allowed him to grab rebound for an easy put back. His signature move.

CrazyNotCrazie

03-14-2019, 09:05 PM

Love how they showed Maye highlights just now and the last one was a full on shove in the back of UL player that allowed him to grab rebound for an easy put back. His signature move.

Cool hands Luke

uh_no

03-14-2019, 09:06 PM

Love how they showed Maye highlights just now and the last one was a full on shove in the back of UL player that allowed him to grab rebound for an easy put back. His signature move.

so rough we should Nick name him..MM-Maye

aimo

03-14-2019, 09:12 PM

. I'd rather listen to Billy Packer.

Well, now, I wouldn't go THAT far. I can't stand ESPN. Between Bilas promoting his 94 feet thing DURING THE GAME, Vitale promoting his book DURING THE GAME, the game screen being shrunk so they can keep the camera on Zion sitting on the bench, plus the god-awful camera angles, I wouldn't care if Duke were never on ESPN again.

subzero02

03-14-2019, 09:45 PM

he's wearing the Zion beta...

rsvman

03-15-2019, 12:04 AM

even if it were a charge and it definitely wasn't, I think the shot should've counted because he released the ball before contact was made.

They changed that rule last year or a couple of years ago. Even if the shot leaves the hand before the contract, it's no basket if you get called for the charge.
I think it's a ridiculous rule change, but that's what they chose to do.

pfrduke

03-15-2019, 01:23 AM

brevity

03-15-2019, 02:46 AM

Lineup for the semis:

[1]Virginia (-9) vs. [15]Florida State (7:00, ESPN)
[5]North Carolina (+2) vs. [3]Duke (9:30ish, ESPN)

3 of the top 5 and 4 of the top 15 in the country playing in the ACCT semis - feels about right.

Also, if you're a traditionalist, it's a set of teams that have never been in the Big East. (FSU came from the Metro Conference in 1991.)

Acymetric

03-15-2019, 07:41 AM

Also, if you're a traditionalist, it's a set of teams that have never been in the Big East. (FSU came from the Metro Conference in 1991.)

I am, and this is a great semi-final lineup. I know some of the older folk don't even fully accept FSU, but they joined the conference in my early years so while they aren't "original" they are at least established, and not part of the Big East influx. The most important thing besides Duke advancing is that Syracuse lose as early as possible...I don't have any interest in seeing them succeeding in the tournament until Boeheim and his anti-NC trash talking are retired and forgotten. Fortunately we were able to kill two birds with one stone last night (Duke win, Syracuse loss).

Rich

03-15-2019, 08:19 AM

devildeac

03-15-2019, 10:05 AM

Also posted in the Duke-UNC pregame thread, but I assume the winner of tonight's game gets the #1 seed and the loser moves to the #2 line? Seems pretty cut and dried to me, but maybe there are games outside of the ACC that could affect seeding as well. I don't see us getting a #1 seed by losing to UNC three times.

Has Zion picked up his 2nd PF yet for today's game? :mad:

duke2x

03-15-2019, 11:29 AM

Also posted in the Duke-UNC pregame thread, but I assume the winner of tonight's game gets the #1 seed and the loser moves to the #2 line? Seems pretty cut and dried to me, but maybe there are games outside of the ACC that could affect seeding as well. I don't see us getting a #1 seed by losing to UNC three times.

I'd put a 90% chance on that being right. The other relevant games involve KY and TN. If (Duke-UNC, v. UVA) are a generation-level performance, I could see Gonzaga getting moved down to a #2 for 3 ACC #1s.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

03-15-2019, 01:25 PM

Also posted in the Duke-UNC pregame thread, but I assume the winner of tonight's game gets the #1 seed and the loser moves to the #2 line? Seems pretty cut and dried to me, but maybe there are games outside of the ACC that could affect seeding as well. I don't see us getting a #1 seed by losing to UNC three times.

Context is everything. It certainly seems that UVA would be a #1 seed, were they to lose to Duke 3 times.

CDu

03-15-2019, 01:32 PM

Context is everything. It certainly seems that UVA would be a #1 seed, were they to lose to Duke 3 times.

Yes, but losing with Zion would mean the committee doesn’t need to discount those other two losses. And at that point we are sitting at - at best - the 4th spot. And if either Michigan St, UK, or perhaps Tennessee win their tourney, we probably fall to the 2 line.

Wahoo2000

03-15-2019, 01:35 PM

Something else I haven’t seen mentioned here. HIGHLY likely that the “Final Four” of the ACC tournament will feature a stronger field than the FF of the NCAA’s.

MAN, this is a good league.

CrazyNotCrazie

03-15-2019, 01:54 PM

At play isn't just the #1 seeds but also the location for the first two rounds. It looks like there is a pod in Columbia, SC (glad South Carolina isn't in the mix this year) then the next closest ones are Jacksonville, Hartford or Columbus, Ohio. I assume Columbia is the top choice for all three ACC teams.

OldPhiKap

03-15-2019, 02:06 PM

AGDukesky

03-15-2019, 02:53 PM

If UVA wins today, they have a #1 seed regardless of tomorrow I think.
If UNC wins tonight (ugh), they have a #1 seed regardless of tomorrow I think.
When Duke wins tonight and tomorrow, we get Carolina's top seed.

So I think the ACC gets two #1 seeds, the Zags get the third #1 seed, and the winner of the SEC tourney gets the fourth unless it's Florida.

So says OPK, so shall it be.

I think this is correct assuming the other contenders don’t blow it. A convincing Duke win should negate the previous UNC games, which hurts UNC greatly for a #1. However, a very tight game could convince people UNC still deserves a 1 seed. Still, I think it is unlikely three ACC teams get 1 seeds...

Wahoo2000

03-15-2019, 02:54 PM

If UVA wins today, they have a #1 seed regardless of tomorrow I think.
If UNC wins tonight (ugh), they have a #1 seed regardless of tomorrow I think.
When Duke wins tonight and tomorrow, we get Carolina's top seed.

So I think the ACC gets two #1 seeds, the Zags get the third #1 seed, and the winner of the SEC tourney gets the fourth unless it's Florida.

So says OPK, so shall it be.

A couple minor quibbles:
1) I don't think UVA needs to even beat FSU today to stay on the one line. Lose, and they probably end up in the midwest, but still a 1 almost certainly.
2) I don't think Duke needs to win the ACC tournament to get a 1-seed. Just beating UNC tonight should do it.

CDu

03-15-2019, 03:02 PM

A couple minor quibbles:
1) I don't think UVA needs to even beat FSU today to stay on the one line. Lose, and they probably end up in the midwest, but still a 1 almost certainly.
2) I don't think Duke needs to win the ACC tournament to get a 1-seed. Just beating UNC tonight should do it.

I agree with both of these points. There is an outside chance Duke could get a 1 seed even losing today. But it would require just about everything else this weekend going right.

UVa is a lock for a 1 seed barring them losing multiple starters for the season this weekend. Duke most likely needs to win tonight to get a 1 seed. Winning the entire ACC tournament would just put Duke in the discussion for the #1 overall seed. But just getting to the ACC final would be enough for a 1 seed of some sort.