Coach K All-Time Wins

[ksimp112]

Not sure if this topic has been discussed recently, but based on a couple of informative websites, and hearing Dickie V mention this a week or so ago during a Duke game, Coach K is now 7 wins away from being the All-Time winniest college basketball coach, at any level!

After last nights victory against Pitt, Coach K has 1,043 wins at Duke and 1,116 overall (73) at Army. He trails Harry Statham by 6 games, who had 1,122 victories before retiring last season from McKendree College, after having coached for 52 years, with Coach K currently being in his 44th season as a head coach.

If everything goes well over the course of the next 7 games, he would pass Mr. Statham with a victory against NC State on 2/16. If there is a slip up and they lose one (possibly the game at UVA on 2/9) of the next 7 games, then he could pass Mr. Statham with a win against UNC on 2/20.

Here is a small list of coaches with their wins, with some no longer coaching, and some still coaching.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_men%27s_basketball_coaches_with_60 0_wins

[ChillinDuke]

Not sure if this topic has been discussed recently, but based on a couple of informative websites, and hearing Dickie V mention this a week or so ago during a Duke game, Coach K is now 7 wins away from being the All-Time winniest college basketball coach, at any level!

After last nights victory against Pitt, Coach K has 1,043 wins at Duke and 1,116 overall (73) at Army. He trails Harry Statham by 6 games, who had 1,122 victories before retiring last season from McKendree College, after having coached for 52 years, with Coach K currently being in his 44th season as a head coach.

If everything goes well over the course of the next 7 games, he would pass Mr. Statham with a victory against NC State on 2/16. If there is a slip up and they lose one (possibly the game at UVA on 2/9) of the next 7 games, then he could pass Mr. Statham with a win against UNC on 2/20.

Here is a small list of coaches with their wins, with some no longer coaching, and some still coaching.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_men%27s_basketball_coaches_with_60 0_wins

Checking the list just now, I was shocked at how young Bill Self is (56). He could feasibly catch Coach K if you extrapolate out to 71 years old.

I will respectfully avoid any scandal jokes or references.

- Chillin

[CDu]

Checking the list just now, I was shocked at how young Bill Self is (56). He could feasibly catch Coach K if you extrapolate out to 71 years old.

I will respectfully avoid any scandal jokes or references.

- Chillin

Eh, I doubt it. He's 462 wins behind right now. That would require him to win an average of 31 games per season for the next 15 years. And that's just to catch up to where Coach K is now. He's had 15 full seasons at KU and has totaled 423 wins in that span. So he would have to average an additional 2-3 wins per season above what he has done at Kansas to date in order to catch up in pace over what he has already done.

Not saying it is impossible. Just that it seems pretty unlikely.

[ChillinDuke]

Eh, I doubt it. He's 462 wins behind right now. That would require him to win an average of 31 games per season for the next 15 years. And that's just to catch up to where Coach K is now. He's had 15 full seasons at KU and has totaled 423 wins in that span. So he would have to average an additional 2-3 wins per season above what he has done at Kansas to date in order to catch up in pace over what he has already done.

Not saying it is impossible. Just that it seems pretty unlikely.

Agree it's unlikely. But if you exclude Self's first 3 seasons at Kansas when he was (perhaps) retooling the team to his particular liking, he has averaged 31.25 wins per year over the past 12 seasons (not including this year which is shaping up to be another 30-win season). 31.25 x 15 seasons = 468.75 which puts him right around where K is now.

Unlikely, for a variety of reasons, but certainly feasible.

- Chillin

ETA - Wiki seems to list Self as having 444 wins across 15 full seasons at Kansas (and 15 more this season). But I didn't recalculate the math myself.

[Rich]

Checking the list just now, I was shocked at how young Bill Self is (56). He could feasibly catch Coach K if you extrapolate out to 71 years old.

I know some guys in Jersey who won't let Self be extrapolatin' to 71, if you get my gist. Just sayin.'

[ChillinDuke]

I know some guys in Jersey who won't let Self be extrapolatin' to 71, if you get my gist. Just sayin.'

You know my cousin Joey?!

- Chillin

[-jk]

I'm hoping K is just competitive enough to not retire before Boeheim, and Boeheim has a long career ahead of him!

-jk

[ACCfaninVirginia]

Not sure if this topic has been discussed recently, but based on a couple of informative websites, and hearing Dickie V mention this a week or so ago during a Duke game, Coach K is now 7 wins away from being the All-Time winniest college basketball coach, at any level!

After last nights victory against Pitt, Coach K has 1,043 wins at Duke and 1,116 overall (73) at Army. He trails Harry Statham by 6 games, who had 1,122 victories before retiring last season from McKendree College, after having coached for 52 years, with Coach K currently being in his 44th season as a head coach.

If everything goes well over the course of the next 7 games, he would pass Mr. Statham with a victory against NC State on 2/16. If there is a slip up and they lose one (possibly the game at UVA on 2/9) of the next 7 games, then he could pass Mr. Statham with a win against UNC on 2/20.

Here is a small list of coaches with their wins, with some no longer coaching, and some still coaching.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_men%27s_basketball_coaches_with_60 0_wins

If you're talking at any level, you have to consider
Pat Summit 1,098 (Women, Tenn) deceased
Tara Van DerVeer 1,050 (Women, Stanford) still active, age 65, and winning close to 30 a year consistently
Geno Auriemma 1,043 (women, U Conn), still active, age 64, and winning more than 35 a year consistently

In an all-comers standing, Coach K at 1,116, could easily be passed by either Van DerVeer or Auriemma in just 3-4 years - something he probably is aware of.

And if you go to the high school level, Morgan Wooten had 1274 wins at DeMatha, Robert Hughes - generally considered the current all-time leader, had 1,333 at several Texas high schools. I suspect that is Coach K's goal if he can stay healthy - but that's probably 7-9 years more.

[ChillinDuke]

If you're talking at any level, you have to consider
Pat Summit 1,098 (Women, Tenn) deceased
Tara Van DerVeer 1,050 (Women, Stanford) still active, age 65, and winning close to 30 a year consistently
Geno Auriemma 1,043 (women, U Conn), still active, age 64, and winning more than 35 a year consistently

In an all-comers standing, Coach K at 1,116, could easily be passed by either Van DerVeer or Auriemma in just 3-4 years - something he probably is aware of.

And if you go to the high school level, Morgan Wooten had 1274 wins at DeMatha, Robert Hughes - generally considered the current all-time leader, had 1,333 at several Texas high schools. I suspect that is Coach K's goal if he can stay healthy - but that's probably 7-9 years more.

I can say with a healthy dose of confidence that Coach K will not be coaching for 7-9 more years. Unfortunately, I just don't think we have that sort of luxury as fans.

- Chillin

[ksimp112]

If you're talking at any level, you have to consider
Pat Summit 1,098 (Women, Tenn) deceased
Tara Van DerVeer 1,050 (Women, Stanford) still active, age 65, and winning close to 30 a year consistently
Geno Auriemma 1,043 (women, U Conn), still active, age 64, and winning more than 35 a year consistently

In an all-comers standing, Coach K at 1,116, could easily be passed by either Van DerVeer or Auriemma in just 3-4 years - something he probably is aware of.

And if you go to the high school level, Morgan Wooten had 1274 wins at DeMatha, Robert Hughes - generally considered the current all-time leader, had 1,333 at several Texas high schools. I suspect that is Coach K's goal if he can stay healthy - but that's probably 7-9 years more.

Just to clarify when I said "any level" I meant any level of NCAA men's basketball, but I see what you did there :D

Here is a link that I foudn that hasn't been updated in awhile, but it has some of the people you mentioned on it.

https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/college-basketball/winningest-college-basketball-coaches-1.3377215

[Ian]

Only Div I College Men's Basektball matters, Coach K is not in competition with WBB, HS basetball, DIV II or III or NBA basketball.

[uh_no]

Only Div I College Men's Basektball matters, Coach K is not in competition with WBB, HS basetball, DIV II or III or NBA basketball.

Given that none of this means anything in the grand scheme of things, things matter because of the stock people put in them. People are putting a decent amount of stock into his being #1 in mens college basketball...so it matters about that much.

[House P]

Here is a small list of coaches with their wins, with some no longer coaching, and some still coaching.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_men%27s_basketball_coaches_with_60 0_wins


Checking the list just now, I was shocked at how young Bill Self is (56). He could feasibly catch Coach K if you extrapolate out to 71 years old.


Checking the list just now, I was shocked (and pleased) to find the following. Within the next couple years, there is a realistic chance that Dean Smith gets passed on the all time wins list by ...


Cliff Ellis!

[devildeac]

Checking the list just now, I was shocked (and pleased) to find the following. Within the next couple years, there is a realistic chance that Dean Smith gets passed on the all time wins list by ...


Cliff Ellis!

From House P's edit in small print: "Upon further review, it seems that the list included Cliff Ellis' wins from his time with non-Div 1 Cumberland University."

No problem! How many of dean's myth's victories were legitimate?

[jv001]

From House P's edit in small print: "Upon further review, it seems that the list included Cliff Ellis' wins from his time with non-Div 1 Cumberland University."

No problem! How many of dean's myth's victories were legitimate?

Many weren't. DEAN KNEW.:cool: GoDuke!

[BLPOG]

From House P's edit in small print: "Upon further review, it seems that the list included Cliff Ellis' wins from his time with non-Div 1 Cumberland University."

No problem! How many of dean's myth's victories were legitimate?

You know the thing is, we don't really know. We can say with confidence that the vast majority, possibly all, post '92 were not. We have good evidence that many, possibly all, from '89 to '92 were not. We have circumstantial but believable evidence that many earlier in the 80s were not.

It could very well be the case that Saint Dean only had something like 100 legitimate wins.

[devildeac]

You know the thing is, we don't really know. We can say with confidence that the vast majority, possibly all, post '92 were not. We have good evidence that many, possibly all, from '89 to '92 were not. We have circumstantial but believable evidence that many earlier in the 80s were not.

It could very well be the case that Saint Dean only had something like 100 legitimate wins.

I think you're being way too generous.

[royalblue]

Checking the list just now, I was shocked (and pleased) to find the following. Within the next couple years, there is a realistic chance that Dean Smith gets passed on the all time wins list by ...


Cliff Ellis!

I know the cheating started even before the 93 season but I love to imagine what was in Dean’s mind as he heard and thought about “K’s got 2 Dean’s got 1” I think of it most days. A “Cliff’s got more” chant also has a nice ring to it.

[ksimp112]

So with lastnights crazy come from behind win, Coach K has now tied Harry Statham (McKendree) with 1,122 wins for all time collegiate basketball coaching wins at any college level, on the men's or women's side. So with the next win, he'll surpass Statham to have the most wins of all time.

Who know's how long K will continue to coach, and more than likely someone will eventually catch, tie, and surpass K's all time win totals at any level of collegiate basketball.

For the time being we should all sit back and continue to enjoy this ride that he has taken us on as fans!

But to have a little fun with his all time wins, I wondered how he would stack up to other coaches and thier all time wins, for professional sports, and this is what I came up with so enjoy :)

*Please note, some of these #'s may be off 1-2, but you get the overall picture of what I'm going for here.

*This list only factors in wins as a Head Coach of the NBA & NHL, and doesn’t include wins as an Assistant Coach

1. Greg Popovich (NBA 1,771 & College 76) 1,847 (As of 2/12/19)
2. Larry Brown (NBA 1,098 / College 266 / Italian Team 5) 1,369
3. Don Nelson (NBA Coach) 1,335
4. Lenny Wilkins (NBA Coach) 1,332
5. Scotty Bowman (NHL Hockey Coach) 1,244
6. Mike Krzyzewski (College 1,122 / USA Basketball 107) 1,229
7. Jerry Sloan (NBA Coach) 1,221
8. Pat Riley (NBA Coach) 1,210
9. George Karl (NBA Coach) 1,175
10.Phil Jackson (NBA Coach) 1,155

If you factored in all-time MLB winningest coaches
*NFL Coaching Records (Dan Shula 328) & NCAA Football Coach (John Gagliardi 489 NAIA & DIII) didn’t register enough wins to come close to the list.
1. Connie Mack 3,731
2. John McGraw 2,763
3. Tony La Russa 2,728
4. Bobby Cox 2,504
5. Joe Torre 2,326
6. Sparky Anderson 2,194
7. Bucky Harris 2,158
8. Joe McCarthy 2,125
9. Walter Alston 2,040
10. Leo Durocher 2,008
11. Bruce Bochy 1,926
12. Casey Stengel 1,902
13. Bill McKechnie 1,896
14. Greg Popovich (NBA 1,771 & College 76) 1,847 (As of 2/12/19)
15. Dusty Baker 1,863
16. Lou Piniella 1,835
17. Jim Leyland 1,769
18. Mike Scioscia 1,650
19. Ralph Houk 1,619
20. Fred Clarke 1,602
21. Tommy Lasorda 1,599
22. Terry Francona 1,574
23. Dick Williams 1,571
24. Buck Showalter 1,551
25. Clark Griffith 1,491
26. Earl Weaver 1,480
27. Miller Huggins 1,413
28. Al Lopez 1,410
29. Jimmy Dykes 1,406
30. Wilbert Robinson 1,399
31. Davey Johnson 1,372
32. Larry Brown (NBA 1,098 / College 266 / Italian Team 5) 1,369
33. Chuck Tanner 1,352
34. Don Nelson (NBA Coach) 1,335
35. Lenny Wilkins (NBA Coach) 1,332
36. Ned Hanlon 1,313
37. Cap Anson 1,295
38. Charlie Grimm 1,287
39. Frank Selee 1,284
40. Whitey Herzog 1,281
41. Billy Martin 1,253
42. Scotty Bowman (NHL Hockey Coach) 1,244
43. Bill Rigney 1,239
44. Joe Cronin 1,236
45. Mike Krzyzewski (College 1,122 / USA Basketball 107) 1,229

If you wanted to go even further, you could add NCAA baseball coaches, softball coaches, men's soccer coaches, and women's soccer coaches to this list, which would eventually put Coach K soemwhere around the 200 mark, and I honestly didn't have time to do that, nor really wanted too :cool: