Official Zeyeon vigil

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Sure hope his eye is OK. LGD GTHc!

[proelitedota]

People will be eyeing this thread for a while.

[knicknut]

One of the weirdest injury situations I can recall. How could he be too injured to play, but not need any treatment and sit on the bench with no visible distress? It's not like a poked eye is something you risk reinjury by playing that day.

[CameronBlue]

People will be eyeing this thread for a while.

Eat more spinach. That was Popeye's cure.

[Bluedog]

One of the weirdest injury situations I can recall. How could he be too injured to play, but not need any treatment and sit on the bench with no visible distress? It's not like a poked eye is something you risk reinjury by playing that day.

I think they're just being extra cautious. But I'm optimistic it'll just take a bit of time to feel 100%. It clearly is not a catastrophic eye injury.

[duke09hms]

One of the weirdest injury situations I can recall. How could he be too injured to play, but not need any treatment and sit on the bench with no visible distress? It's not like a poked eye is something you risk reinjury by playing that day.

K's genius! He wanted the team to learn how to win w/o Zion!

[oldnavy]

Concussion protocol maybe?

[golfinesquire]

His vision could have been blurry. Didn’t that happen to Bagley last year?

[devildeac]

Eat more spinach. That was Popeye's cure.

Eye am what eye am.

[Indoor66]

K's genius! He wanted the team to learn how to win w/o Zion!

Carefully planned to give Cam his chance to solidify his confidence?

[Pghdukie]

A very good sign was that Zion's eye didnt get blood shot. Here's hoping for the best.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

One of the weirdest injury situations I can recall. How could he be too injured to play, but not need any treatment and sit on the bench with no visible distress? It's not like a poked eye is something you risk reinjury by playing that day.

Pupil was dilated.....can't play that way.

[devildeac]

He can play wearing one of these:

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[HereBeforeCoachK]

A very good sign was that Zion's eye didnt get blood shot. Here's hoping for the best.

Not blood shot, no patch required...GREAT SIGNS

[TruBlu]

I got dilated a lot when I was a pupil. Definitely affected my performance.

[fisheyes]

K's genius! He wanted the team to learn how to win w/o Zion!

We'll never know but I had the same thoughts.
Either way, intentional or not, the team now knows!

[HereBeforeCoachK]

He can play wearing one of these:

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True story - my dad was Monte Towe's doctor when he broke his nose and had that mask....

[fisheyes]

Pupil was dilated....can't play that way.

uNCheats have no pupils, is that why they lost today?

[CameronBlue]

True story - my dad was Monte Towe's doctor when he broke his nose and had that mask...

Why did you Dad break Monte's nose?

[Coballs]

They probably dilated his pupil in the locker room to make sure he didn't have a retina injury.

[budwom]

Concussion protocol maybe?

No problems, he's entering the eye portal.

[OldPhiKap]

Why did you Dad break Monte's nose?

Always read the small print on your insurance policy.

[scottdude8]

Based on the way the prognosis changed so suddenly, at least according to the side-line reporting, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a bit woozy and they were keeping him out more for concussion precautions and less for his eye. You're always going to be more safe than sorry in those cases. But the way he was up and about towards the end of the game I'm not overly worried **KNOCKS ON ALL THE WOOD**

[Indoor66]

uNCheats have no pupils, is that why they lost today?

Actually, no pupils or teachers.

[Truth&Justise]

His vision could have been blurry. Didn’t that happen to Bagley last year?

Well, we are 2-0 when NPOY-caliber players sit out the second half after getting poked in the eye. I'll make sure Kedsy adds that to his stats repertoire.

[SavDukeGrad]

Based on the way the prognosis changed so suddenly, at least according to the side-line reporting, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a bit woozy and they were keeping him out more for concussion precautions and less for his eye. You're always going to be more safe than sorry in those cases. But the way he was up and about towards the end of the game I'm not overly worried **KNOCKS ON ALL THE WOOD**

That’s what I thought as well. Concussion-like symptoms possibly. He definitely wasn’t up much on the bench at the beginning of the 2nd half.

[Truth&Justise]

Also, no foul was called on the play. Can anyone spot a foul here:

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[devildeac]

Actually, no pupils or teachers.

Re-arrange the letters in teachers and it becomes perfectly clear when you're referring to "u"nc...

[richardjackson199]

I would bet the house that he is fine. Just being overly precautious. And that excess precaution almost cost us the game. Just my opinion, and I'm sure plenty disagree. I'm used to watching UFC where guys routinely get poked in the eye and a doc does eye reflexes and clears them in 60 seconds. Eye pokes can be extremely serious, but he could have been safely cleared at halftime. I think he probably was from the halftime report given to Allison Williams. You think Zion sits the second half if that was the National Championship game with that same eye poke? I don't. I expect other teams to poke us in the eye some more if we're just going to sit players who are ok just to be overly precautious. I get that he is a generational talent with a bright future we're trying to protect. But I think the precautionary take is excessive. I just think we need wins like that because we have so many tougher games left in the ACC. We can't afford to piss away Losses when trying to earn a 1 seed with excessive overprecaution. If there is a legitimate concern somebody is injured - sure sit them. I don't think there was in this case, and it almost cost us the game. We got very lucky. Some costly free throws from Tre and Barrett almost got us this time.

But enjoy the win. Great confidence booster for Cam so it worked out.

[Green Wave Dukie]

Eye am what eye am.

That's a strong response, DD.

[Indoor66]

I would bet the house that he is fine. Just being overly precautious. And that excess precaution almost cost us the game. Just my opinion, and I'm sure plenty disagree. I'm used to watching UFC where guys routinely get poked in the eye and a doc does eye reflexes and clears them in 60 seconds. Eye pokes can be extremely serious, but he could have been safely cleared at halftime. I think he probably was from the halftime report given to Allison Williams. You think Zion sits the second half if that was the National Championship game with that same eye poke? I don't. I expect other teams to poke us in the eye some more if we're just going to sit players who are ok just to be overly precautious. I get that he is a generational talent with a bright future we're trying to protect. But I think the precautionary take is excessive. I just think we need wins like that because we have so many tougher games left in the ACC. We can't afford to piss away Losses when trying to earn a 1 seed with excessive overprecaution. If there is a legitimate concern somebody is injured - sure sit them. I don't think there was in this case, and it almost cost us the game. We got very lucky. Some costly free throws from Tre and Barrett almost got us this time.

But enjoy the win. Great confidence booster for Cam so it worked out.

Thank you, Dr. Kevorkian.

[dukie’s_daughter]

Re-arrange the letters in teachers and it becomes perfectly clear when you're referring to "u"nc...

Brilliant!!! LOL 😂

[OZZIE4DUKE]

I would bet the house that he is fine. Just being overly precautious. And that excess precaution almost cost us the game. Just my opinion, and I'm sure plenty disagree. I'm used to watching UFC where guys routinely get poked in the eye and a doc does eye reflexes and clears them in 60 seconds. Eye pokes can be extremely serious, but he could have been safely cleared at halftime. I think he probably was from the halftime report given to Allison Williams. You think Zion sits the second half if that was the National Championship game with that same eye poke? I don't. I expect other teams to poke us in the eye some more if we're just going to sit players who are ok just to be overly precautious. I get that he is a generational talent with a bright future we're trying to protect. But I think the precautionary take is excessive. I just think we need wins like that because we have so many tougher games left in the ACC. We can't afford to piss away Losses when trying to earn a 1 seed with excessive overprecaution. If there is a legitimate concern somebody is injured - sure sit them. I don't think there was in this case, and it almost cost us the game. We got very lucky. Some costly free throws from Tre and Barrett almost got us this time.

But enjoy the win. Great confidence booster for Cam so it worked out.
First time in 10 years I've given someone negative zporkz. You are wrong on every level. A team, and that's every team, can't be too protective of a player's eye or his or her brain. They don't grow back. And this game, in the grand scheme of things, was a meaningless game in January. A great win, one the team can learn from, but keeping Zion out was certainly the right decision by our staff.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Why did you Dad break Monte's nose?

...he was a Heel grad (way back in the pre cheat days)

[JasonEvans]

Also, no foul was called on the play. Can anyone spot a foul here:

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News Flash: ACC officials swallow their whistles in Tallahassee... film at 11.

-Jason "why should this year be any different from any other year when it comes to FSU thuggery?" Evans

[camion]

Also, no foul was called on the play. Can anyone spot a foul here:

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Don't let Teddy V. see that. He'll retroactively call Zion for a push off with the right arm.

[TruBlu]

Also, no foul was called on the play. Can anyone spot a foul here:

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This picture makes it appear to be an intentional eye gouge. Will the ACC review it? Doubtful.

[Devilwin]

His vision could have been blurry. Didn’t that happen to Bagley last year?
Yes it did.

[jakeha]

From Twitter (FSU football reporter): Coach K said Zion had double vision coming out of halftime. He didn’t have any headaches or concussion-like symptoms. Coach K said Williamson was almost crying after the game in happiness that the team was still able to get the win without him.

[CameronBornAndBred]

Shut the lids on this one, he's fine.

https://twitter.com/stevewisemanNC/status/1084209651623886848?fbclid=IwAR1YdQkSyAvFRTofGUArD IpZ9PRbfMgyiZ0EvP-e5MjSbtY7Yev5gflrNI8

[weezie]

Excellent news CB&B

[devildeac]

From Twitter (FSU football reporter): Coach K said Zion had double vision coming out of halftime. He didn’t have any headaches or concussion-like symptoms. Coach K said Williamson was almost crying after the game in happiness that the team was still able to get the win without him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxKCPjcvbys

What'd you expect, I Only Have Eyes For You?

:o;)

[weezie]

This picture makes it appear to be an intentional eye gouge. Will the ACC review it? Doubtful.

Hahahahah-Hahahaha. That's hilarious Tru!

[golfinesquire]

Shut the lids on this one, he's fine.

https://twitter.com/stevewisemanNC/status/1084209651623886848?fbclid=IwAR1YdQkSyAvFRTofGUArD IpZ9PRbfMgyiZ0EvP-e5MjSbtY7Yev5gflrNI8

Called it!

[-jk]

What'd you expect, I Only Have Eyes For You?

:o;)

queue tons of eye songs...

-jk

[devildeac]

News Flash: ACC officials swallow their whistles in Tallahassee... film at 11.

-Jason "why should this year be any different from any other year when it comes to FSU thuggery?" Evans

I'm debating whether that should be an F(inger)1 or F(inger) 2 foul.

What PoS reffing.

[chrishoke]

From Twitter (FSU football reporter): Coach K said Zion had double vision coming out of halftime. He didn’t have any headaches or concussion-like symptoms. Coach K said Williamson was almost crying after the game in happiness that the team was still able to get the win without him.

God I love that kid.

[devildeac]

This picture makes it appear to be an intentional eye gouge. Will the ACC review it? Doubtful.

WWE-worthy!! :mad:

acc review it?

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[devildeac]

queue tons of eye songs...

-jk

Wheye not?

:o

[sagegrouse]

I would bet the house that he is fine. Just being overly precautious. And that excess precaution almost cost us the game. Just my opinion, and I'm sure plenty disagree. I'm used to watching UFC where guys routinely get poked in the eye and a doc does eye reflexes and clears them in 60 seconds. Eye pokes can be extremely serious, but he could have been safely cleared at halftime. I think he probably was from the halftime report given to Allison Williams. You think Zion sits the second half if that was the National Championship game with that same eye poke? I don't. I expect other teams to poke us in the eye some more if we're just going to sit players who are ok just to be overly precautious. I get that he is a generational talent with a bright future we're trying to protect. But I think the precautionary take is excessive. I just think we need wins like that because we have so many tougher games left in the ACC. We can't afford to piss away Losses when trying to earn a 1 seed with excessive overprecaution. If there is a legitimate concern somebody is injured - sure sit them. I don't think there was in this case, and it almost cost us the game. We got very lucky. Some costly free throws from Tre and Barrett almost got us this time.

But enjoy the win. Great confidence booster for Cam so it worked out.

I wonder if you are just spouting off -- not that there is anything wrong with that.

[plimnko]

Also, no foul was called on the play. Can anyone spot a foul here:

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face is part of the ball....right?

[HereBeforeCoachK]

face is part of the ball...right?

His hands were suspiciously like claws.....kinda like Fred Sanford when he had his "author-itis" attacks......

[dbduke]

Hard to draw any conclusions from a single frame, but that photo does not look good. Doesn’t appear to be an “accident” at all.

[Tripping William]

Wheye not?

:o

To avoid making a spectacle of yourself? :o

[Reilly]

No problems, he's entering the eye portal.

So you see some light at the end of the tunn ... er, portal?

[OldPhiKap]

queue tons of eye songs...

-jk

If I posted my list, would it show off my eye queue?

[camion]

This picture makes it appear to be an intentional eye gouge. Will the ACC review it? Doubtful.

Well, I don't believe there's anything in the rule book prohibiting eye contact. :eek:




I'll leave now.

[MartyClark]

I would bet the house that he is fine. Just being overly precautious. And that excess precaution almost cost us the game. Just my opinion, and I'm sure plenty disagree. I'm used to watching UFC where guys routinely get poked in the eye and a doc does eye reflexes and clears them in 60 seconds. Eye pokes can be extremely serious, but he could have been safely cleared at halftime. I think he probably was from the halftime report given to Allison Williams. You think Zion sits the second half if that was the National Championship game with that same eye poke? I don't. I expect other teams to poke us in the eye some more if we're just going to sit players who are ok just to be overly precautious. I get that he is a generational talent with a bright future we're trying to protect. But I think the precautionary take is excessive. I just think we need wins like that because we have so many tougher games left in the ACC. We can't afford to piss away Losses when trying to earn a 1 seed with excessive overprecaution. If there is a legitimate concern somebody is injured - sure sit them. I don't think there was in this case, and it almost cost us the game. We got very lucky. Some costly free throws from Tre and Barrett almost got us this time.

But enjoy the win. Great confidence booster for Cam so it worked out.

I hope you are right. If so, I respect the Duke staff for protecting this kid's health even if, in retrospect, it was overly cautious.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

I hope you are right. If so, I respect the Duke staff for protecting this kid's health even if, in retrospect, it was overly cautious.

It wasn't just caution....he had double vision.....you can't play that way.

[Beagleboy]

Hard to draw any conclusions from a single frame, but that photo does not look good. Doesn’t appear to be an “accident” at all.

Watching the video in slo-mo, it almost looks intentional... hands are well past the ball and jabs directly into Zionz face.

[OldPhiKap]

It wasn't just caution...he had double vision....you can't play that way.

Doesn’t that just mean that he would score twice as many points?

[Indoor66]

I hope you are right. If so, I respect the Duke staff for protecting this kid's health even if, in retrospect, it was overly cautious.

It is only overly cautious in retrospect.

[Tripping William]

Doesn’t that just mean that he would score twice as many points?

And complete a 720 dunk.

[duke96]

If I am the parent of a recruit I pay attention to the fact that Duke kept Zion out of that half. Especially so if it it was not a clear cut decision.

And I would note that the school had my child’s best interests at heart first and foremost. Even when the temptation to do the opposite is very high.

[DevilHorse]

To avoid making a spectacle of yourself? :o

This thread couldn't be cornea

[DevilHorse]

And complete a 720 dunk.

TTrriipppllee double!

[OldPhiKap]

This thread couldn't be cornea

Iris these puns would stop.

[richardjackson199]

I wonder if you are just spouting off -- not that there is anything wrong with that.

Ha I'm sure I was spouting off.

I was frustrated because Allison Williams reported at the beginning of the 2nd half that she was told that Zion had been cleared and will return to play in the 2nd half. Then early 2nd half (14:21 to go in game) she clarified that she was told by Duke that Zion had been cleared and "was ok to return" but "they were keeping him out for now." I went back and listened to it all again to make sure that is what she said.

If he was medically cleared to return I was annoyed that he was being kept out if it was overabundant precaution because we clearly needed him. 7 dunks against us in the 2nd half was the most by any team this season in a half. And I'll disagree with Ozzie about January ACC games being meaningless. If we can win the ACC regular season this year, for example, I think we would be virtually guaranteed a 1 seed.

Of course I understand the staff holding him out for persistent double vision. No clue, but as speculated above I wonder if they dilated one eye at halftime to examine it and make sure there was no damage. Maybe eye looked good on exam which is why Duke told Williams he was ok and would return to play in the 2nd half. Dilating one eye with drops but not the other I believe could cause persistent double vision for some time until the dilation drops wear off. (I'm not an opthalmologist but I had to study for and answer lots of neurology questions on my boards.) Maybe that is what happened, and would all make sense. If any opthalmologist on the board could weigh in, that would be awesome.

[DevilHorse]

Iris these puns would stop.

Put a lid on it

[Tripping William]

Put a lid on it

Quit trying to brow-beat people

[mattman91]

Quit trying to brow-beat people

Agreed. No need to lash out.

[Tripping William]

Agreed. No need to lash out.

I (sp?) see what you did there.

[devildeac]

Ha I'm sure I was spouting off.

I was frustrated because Allison Williams reported at the beginning of the 2nd half that she was told that Zion had been cleared and will return to play in the 2nd half. Then early 2nd half (14:21 to go in game) she clarified that she was told by Duke that Zion had been cleared and "was ok to return" but "they were keeping him out for now." I went back and listened to it all again to make sure that is what she said.

If he was medically cleared to return I was annoyed that he was being kept out if it was overabundant precaution because we clearly needed him. 7 dunks against us in the 2nd half was the most by any team this season in a half. And I'll disagree with Ozzie about January ACC games being meaningless. If we can win the ACC regular season this year, for example, I think we would be virtually guaranteed a 1 seed.

Of course I understand the staff holding him out for persistent double vision. No clue, but as speculated above I wonder if they dilated one eye at halftime to examine it and make sure there was no damage. Maybe eye looked good on exam which is why Duke told Williams he was ok and would return to play in the 2nd half. Dilating one eye with drops but not the other I believe could cause persistent double vision for some time until the dilation drops wear off. (I'm not an opthalmologist but I had to study for and answer lots of neurology questions on my boards.) Maybe that is what happened, and would all make sense. If any opthalmologist on the board could weigh in, that would be awesome.

JStuart? Are you reading?

[stevoflurane]

Given that the associate head coach on the sidelines got his career derailed by a poke in the eye, I’d imagine that they would be super cautious with any eye injury.

[Green Wave Dukie]

I (sp?) see what you did there.

Trippin’, you are really on the ball.

[CoachJ10]

Also, no foul was called on the play. Can anyone spot a foul here:

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This was the lead picture on ESPN and CBS with a caption that said “Zion Williamson attempted to break FSU player’s fingers with his eye...did K coach him to do this”?

...

[devildeac]

Trippin’, you are really on the ball.

I'm happy he lens us his insight on a regular basis.

[Saratoga2]

I would bet the house that he is fine. Just being overly precautious. And that excess precaution almost cost us the game. Just my opinion, and I'm sure plenty disagree. I'm used to watching UFC where guys routinely get poked in the eye and a doc does eye reflexes and clears them in 60 seconds. Eye pokes can be extremely serious, but he could have been safely cleared at halftime. I think he probably was from the halftime report given to Allison Williams. You think Zion sits the second half if that was the National Championship game with that same eye poke? I don't. I expect other teams to poke us in the eye some more if we're just going to sit players who are ok just to be overly precautious. I get that he is a generational talent with a bright future we're trying to protect. But I think the precautionary take is excessive. I just think we need wins like that because we have so many tougher games left in the ACC. We can't afford to piss away Losses when trying to earn a 1 seed with excessive overprecaution. If there is a legitimate concern somebody is injured - sure sit them. I don't think there was in this case, and it almost cost us the game. We got very lucky. Some costly free throws from Tre and Barrett almost got us this time.

But enjoy the win. Great confidence booster for Cam so it worked out.

Jon Scheyer can attest to that. His poke in the eye was career changing.

[Reilly]

EYE
PUNS
seem much
too, too easy
to make please stop
i really mean it not joking this time

[budwom]

Ha I'm sure I was spouting off.

I was frustrated because Allison Williams reported at the beginning of the 2nd half that she was told that Zion had been cleared and will return to play in the 2nd half. Then early 2nd half (14:21 to go in game) she clarified that she was told by Duke that Zion had been cleared and "was ok to return" but "they were keeping him out for now." I went back and listened to it all again to make sure that is what she said.

If he was medically cleared to return I was annoyed that he was being kept out if it was overabundant precaution because we clearly needed him. 7 dunks against us in the 2nd half was the most by any team this season in a half. And I'll disagree with Ozzie about January ACC games being meaningless. If we can win the ACC regular season this year, for example, I think we would be virtually guaranteed a 1 seed.

Of course I understand the staff holding him out for persistent double vision. No clue, but as speculated above I wonder if they dilated one eye at halftime to examine it and make sure there was no damage. Maybe eye looked good on exam which is why Duke told Williams he was ok and would return to play in the 2nd half. Dilating one eye with drops but not the other I believe could cause persistent double vision for some time until the dilation drops wear off. (I'm not an opthalmologist but I had to study for and answer lots of neurology questions on my boards.) Maybe that is what happened, and would all make sense. If any opthalmologist on the board could weigh in, that would be awesome.

Maybe it's just me, but sideline reporting is generally useless. Definitely less than useless yesterday.

[BandAlum83]

I would bet the house that he is fine. Just being overly precautious. And that excess precaution almost cost us the game. Just my opinion, and I'm sure plenty disagree. I'm used to watching UFC where guys routinely get poked in the eye and a doc does eye reflexes and clears them in 60 seconds. Eye pokes can be extremely serious, but he could have been safely cleared at halftime. I think he probably was from the halftime report given to Allison Williams. You think Zion sits the second half if that was the National Championship game with that same eye poke? I don't. I expect other teams to poke us in the eye some more if we're just going to sit players who are ok just to be overly precautious. I get that he is a generational talent with a bright future we're trying to protect. But I think the precautionary take is excessive. I just think we need wins like that because we have so many tougher games left in the ACC. We can't afford to piss away Losses when trying to earn a 1 seed with excessive overprecaution. If there is a legitimate concern somebody is injured - sure sit them. I don't think there was in this case, and it almost cost us the game. We got very lucky. Some costly free throws from Tre and Barrett almost got us this time.

But enjoy the win. Great confidence booster for Cam so it worked out.

Wow, tough crowd. RJ was 8/9 for the game.

[Fish80]

Maybe it's just me, but sideline reporting is generally useless. Definitely less than useless yesterday.

Just curious, what is less than useless? I consider myself a math geek, but I will have to ponder this. Feels like a double negative. Is less than less actually more?

Clearly, eye need more insight.

[JStuart]

JStuart? Are you reading?

This thread just brings tears to my eyes.....
Without any direct knowledge from the trainers, my guess is that he had a mild surface 'irregularity' that accounted for the 'double vision' (as opposed to the character in Catch 22 who 'saw everything twice'), and it resolved by the end of the game. I saw no bruises or redness that could have explained lots more, and I doubt if the trainers did anything more than put anaesthetic drops in, and used a soft contact lens as a bandage. They aren't licensed to use dilating drops, I don't believe.
Now, if Art Chandler was still here, and accompanying the team, all bets would be off!

[HereBeforeCoachK]

This thread just brings tears to my eyes....
Without any direct knowledge from the trainers, my guess is that he had a mild surface 'irregularity' that accounted for the 'double vision' (as opposed to the character in Catch 22 who 'saw everything twice'), and it resolved by the end of the game. I saw no bruises or redness that could have explained lots more, and I doubt if the trainers did anything more than put anaesthetic drops in, and used a soft contact lens as a bandage. They aren't licensed to use dilating drops, I don't believe.
Now, if Art Chandler was still here, and accompanying the team, all bets would be off!

Are you saying there's no team "doctor" on the travel squad?

[budwom]

Just curious, what is less than useless? I consider myself a math geek, but I will have to ponder this. Feels like a double negative. Is less than less actually more?

Clearly, eye need more insight.

Happy to oblige! Useless would be if she (in this case) got no information at all. Thereby, pretty much by definition, useless. (no info = useless)
But in this case, she reported erroneous information. Zion did not play in the second half despite her two statements that he would.
Hence her role was clearly negative, which to me is less than useless. (bad info = less than useless).

(I honestly would not have expected him back had she not "reported" he'd return). I did eventually give up the notion.

[CameronBornAndBred]

Maybe it's just me, but sideline reporting is generally useless. Definitely less than useless yesterday.

You know what aggravated me the most about that play? It wasn't the reporting after, it was Dickie V's overly enthusiastic cheering as FSU nails a three pointer, going 5 on 4 while Zion is writhing under the other basket in pain. I thought he was gonna stroke out celebrating.

[OldPhiKap]

Happy to oblige! Useless would be if she (in this case) got no information at all. Thereby, pretty much by definition, useless. (no info = useless)
But in this case, she reported erroneous information. Zion did not play in the second half despite her two statements that he would.
Hence her role was clearly negative, which to me is less than useless. (bad info = less than useless).

(I honestly would not have expected him back had she not "reported" he'd return). I did eventually give up the notion.

Apparently, Zion was warming up for the second half but was a late scratch when he told Nolan that he was having double vision. So I think she described what was planned, but circumstances changed.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Apparently, Zion was warming up for the second half but was a late scratch when he told Nolan that he was having double vision. So I think she described what was planned, but circumstances changed.
I saw Zion warming up on tv as halftime ended and was surprised he didn’t start the second half. Didn’t know about the double vision at that point.

[sagegrouse]

Just curious, what is less than useless? I consider myself a math geek, but I will have to ponder this. Feels like a double negative. Is less than less actually more?

Clearly, eye need more insight.

Naw. "Less than useless" could be "positively harmful." Now, you ask, how could something be positively harmful?

[Green Wave Dukie]

EYE
PUNS
seem much
too, too easy
to make please stop
i really mean it not joking this time


Reilly,
Was this serious post, or just a test?

[camion]

Naw. "Less than useless" could be "positively harmful." Now, you ask, how could something be positively harmful?

Well, it could produce large volumes of internet chaff thus interfering with substantive discussion.



Oh wait, am I assuming substantive internet discussion?
Never mind. :o

[CameronBlue]

You know what aggravated me the most about that play? It wasn't the reporting after, it was Dickie V's overly enthusiastic cheering as FSU nails a three pointer, going 5 on 4 while Zion is writhing under the other basket in pain. I thought he was gonna stroke out celebrating.

Dickie V has become just such an insufferable bore. "Just please God make him stop" is one of the more oft-screamed phrases heard in my home outside of the bedroom I share with my wife (elsewhere it's merely implied.) He's just gone way way way beyond tolerable. Every television remote should come with "Dickie V" button instead of a "mute" button. It's labeled with a icon of someone jamming an ice pick in their ears.

[dalmatians98]

Dickie V has become just such an insufferable bore. "Just please God make him stop" is one of the more oft-screamed phrases heard in my home outside of the bedroom I share with my wife (elsewhere it's merely implied.) He's just gone way way way beyond tolerable. Every television remote should come with "Dickie V" button instead of a "mute" button. It's labeled with a icon of someone jamming an ice pick in their ears.

I don't question Vitale's love of the game, his friendliness or his enthusiasm; and I gratefully acknowledge all the fund-raising he's done in the fight against cancer.

But at our house, we too watch with the volume muted whenever he's in the booth. It's simply too painful and frustrating to listen to him, and it's been that way for a few years now.

Unfortunately, like too many show biz types, he didn't get off when he should have. Now he's basically a parody of himself as he monopolizes broadcasts with shilling, boosting and name dropping. In other words, he's become the Willard Scott of basketball broadcasting.

I believe his contract with ESPN expires at the end of the 2020-21 season. I pray neither party seeks to renew or extend it.

[Gorilla]

I'm not seeing how it was intentional. Looked like a simple reach for the ball but Zion lost it and then got hit. It's a fast pace game and the fsu player was collapsing on zion

[DevilFalcon]

Also, no foul was called on the play. Can anyone spot a foul here:

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It blows my mind this wasn't called a foul. The FSU player should have been ejected and suspended. When 6'7" 270lbs of solid muscle goes to the ground in pain, there is a pretty good chance that something bad happened.
Absolutely malicious intent here. You don't go for a basketball with your hand in a gouging position, you have an open hand to grab it. Someone would be hard pressed to convince me that wasn't intentional.

[Papa John]

It blows my mind this wasn't called a foul. The FSU player should have been ejected and suspended. When 6'7" 270lbs of solid muscle goes to the ground in pain, there is a pretty good chance that something bad happened.
Absolutely malicious intent here. You don't go for a basketball with your hand in a gouging position, you have an open hand to grab it. Someone would be hard pressed to convince me that wasn't intentional.

It was definitely a foul, and clearly should have been whistled as such. That said, I didn't think it looked malicious or intentional—as Gorilla stated below, basketball is a fast-paced game and sometimes hard contact happens. But the fact that it wasn't whistled by any of the officials on the floor was absolutely unconscionable (and there were a number of additional hard fouls that occurred yesterday afternoon that left me a bit baffled, but this was clearly the worst).


Dickie V has become just such an insufferable bore. "Just please God make him stop" is one of the more oft-screamed phrases heard in my home outside of the bedroom I share with my wife (elsewhere it's merely implied.) He's just gone way way way beyond tolerable. Every television remote should come with "Dickie V" button instead of a "mute" button. It's labeled with a icon of someone jamming an ice pick in their ears.

Agree. It's gotten to the point where as soon as I hear Vitale is calling the game, I turn the volume down to "0" immediately. The guy has become a caricature of himself...

[Ima Facultiwyfe]

We'll never know but I had the same thoughts.
Either way, intentional or not, the team now knows!

K would never admit that in a hundred years, but I think he's coaching for March and that situation was the perfect teacher.
Love, Ima

[Reilly]

Seems this thread has degenerated ...

Degenerated, or evolved? I guess beauty is in the ... ah, never mind.

[golfinesquire]

We'll never know but I had the same thoughts.
Either way, intentional or not, the team now knows!

Oh, I think we know. There is no way K sits someone who is as important to the team and works as hard as Zion to make a point to the rest of the team. Aside from the fact that it is unfair to Zion, the team is still evolving and learning how to play together and in hostile environments. It is great that they won and a lot of good things happened that they can build on but I am certain K would have preferrd to have Zion in the game and not on the bench.

[duke4ever19]

Can someone change the channel back to the Zion eye vigil network?

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Can someone change the channel back to the Zion eye vigil network?
You mean back to the Zeyeon vigil!

[JGB]

(as opposed to the character in Catch 22 who 'saw everything twice')

+1 Outstanding literary reference!

[Bob Green]

Okay folks this thread has drifted off in a negative direction. How about everyone getting back on topic. I expect us Mods will be deleting some posts to help the effort.

Thanks!

[Green Wave Dukie]

Glad to help, Bob.

When should we realistically expect to know if he’ll play? Not till after warm-ups?

[Bob Green]

Glad to help, Bob.

When should we realistically expect to know if he’ll play? Not till after warm-ups?

At tip-off.

[OldPhiKap]

At tip-off.

Cut’s not the only Secret Squirrel on campus.


(Hat tip to Budwom for the image)

[Devilwin]

Hard to draw any conclusions from a single frame, but that photo does not look good. Doesn’t appear to be an “accident” at all.

Had to have been an accident. No one in their right mind would have clawed Zion in the face on purpose!

[Tripping William]

Okay folks this thread has drifted off in a negative direction. How about everyone getting back on topic. I expect us Mods will be deleting some posts to help the effort.

Thanks!

See <ahem>: Eye puns aren’t so turrrr-ible after all (when you consider the alternative).

[MChambers]

It blows my mind this wasn't called a foul. The FSU player should have been ejected and suspended. When 6'7" 270lbs of solid muscle goes to the ground in pain, there is a pretty good chance that something bad happened.
Absolutely malicious intent here. You don't go for a basketball with your hand in a gouging position, you have an open hand to grab it. Someone would be hard pressed to convince me that wasn't intentional.

Intent in slo-mo or stop action is very misleading. Remember all the slo-mos of Grayson the last few years that showed he was in Dallas in 1963?

[-jk]

At tip-off.

Or when he doesn’t check in.

-jk

[DrChainsaw]

Intent in slo-mo or stop action is very misleading. Remember all the slo-mos of Grayson the last few years that showed he was in Dallas in 1963?

Or Hans-blah-blah getting his nose whacked in the Dome?

[hudlow]

Had to have been an accident. No one in their right mind would have clawed Zion in the face on purpose!

Zion was holding Forrest's fingers with his eyelids.

[Pghdukie]

Superman wears Zion underwear !

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Had to have been an accident. No one in their right mind would have clawed Zion in the face on purpose!

Right, but he went to make hard contact...out of control.......and probably planning on getting called for the foul.

[rsvman]

Okay folks this thread has drifted off in a negative direction. How about everyone getting back on topic. I expect us Mods will be deleting some posts to help the effort.

Thanks!

This strikes me (in the eye?) as supercilious.

*ducks, runs

[OldPhiKap]

This strikes me (in the eye?) as supercilious.

*ducks, runs

Pretty cornea joke there.

[elvis14]

Eye hope Zion gets to play tomorrow. Eye hate to say it but when eye see the replay it's looks intentional to me. But what do eye know?

[CameronBornAndBred]

.@DukeMBB will know the availability of Zion Williamson after their shoot around this afternoon. Devils host Syracuse tonight. @accmbb
https://twitter.com/jgravleyWRAL/status/1084876431392497666

Interesting, since other reports after the game had said he is fine. Didn't they have practices since then? Sending vEYEbes!

[JFG]

Dickie V has become just such an insufferable bore. "Just please God make him stop" is one of the more oft-screamed phrases heard in my home outside of the bedroom I share with my wife (elsewhere it's merely implied.) He's just gone way way way beyond tolerable. Every television remote should come with "Dickie V" button instead of a "mute" button. It's labeled with a icon of someone jamming an ice pick in their ears.

Anyone want to help me invent and market a "V-Switch" for TV's?

A few years ago, I rigged up my Home Theater Receiver with a manual "V-Switch". Basically you rout the Rear Preamp Outputs to the Front Amp Inputs and remove the Center Channel Preamp Output Cable. What you hear is the Rear Program Material from a Dolby Digital Surround Program. It worked pretty well in that all you heard mostly was the crowd noise (er, the crazies) and the basketball and sometimes the players.

I also used this for NHL games to eliminate the Mike Emrick finger nails on chalkboard play-by-play from the broadcast. Sadly the broadcasters are cutting off most all of the Rear Channel content from their Dolby Surround signal or adding more of the Front Channel to the Rear, so this rigged up "V-Switch" does work anymore. :(

[wilson]

I’d pay a respectable sum of money to see Zion come out tonight wearing a pair of Horace Grant Rec Specs.

[MarkD83]

Anyone want to help me invent and market a "V-Switch" for TV's?

A few years ago, I rigged up my Home Theater Receiver with a manual "V-Switch". Basically you rout the Rear Preamp Outputs to the Front Amp Inputs and remove the Center Channel Preamp Output Cable. What you hear is the Rear Program Material from a Dolby Digital Surround Program. It worked pretty well in that all you heard mostly was the crowd noise (er, the crazies) and the basketball and sometimes the players.

I also used this for NHL games to eliminate the Mike Emrick finger nails on chalkboard play-by-play from the broadcast. Sadly the broadcasters are cutting off most all of the Rear Channel content from their Dolby Surround signal or adding more of the Front Channel to the Rear, so this rigged up "V-Switch" does work anymore. :(

A much easier "V switch" is to mute your TV and have your ipad or computer tuned to the Duke basketball radio network. The announcers always seem to agree with my point of view. They must have the same blue colored corneas that "eye" have (OK had to add that in the spirit of this thread).

[devildeac]

A much easier "V switch" is to mute your TV and have your ipad or computer tuned to the Duke basketball radio network. The announcers always seem to agree with my point of view. They must have the same blue colored corneas that "eye" have (OK had to add that in the spirit of this thread).

I risk the wrath of the on-topic police by posting this.

[billy]

A much easier "V switch" is to mute your TV and have your ipad or computer tuned to the Duke basketball radio network. The announcers always seem to agree with my point of view. They must have the same blue colored corneas that "eye" have (OK had to add that in the spirit of this thread).

I did exactly that Saturday - TuneIn app on iPhone.

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Only issue is the out of phase audio. Usually just have to pause one or the other for a few seconds.

[BandAlum83]

A much easier "V switch" is to mute your TV and have your ipad or computer tuned to the Duke basketball radio network. The announcers always seem to agree with my point of view. They must have the same blue colored corneas that "eye" have (OK had to add that in the spirit of this thread).

Unfortunately, the broadcasts tend to differ by about 10 seconds. It's very disorienting.

[camion]

Unfortunately, the broadcasts tend to differ by about 10 seconds. It's very disorienting.

In which direction is the difference. Sound leading the video or video leading sound?

If you need to delay the radio then here is a possible solution for $70 (https://www.scannermaster.com/SportSync_Radio_SR_404_p/58-561973.htm?msclkid=78f95f4803d81d73fc6103751f0de15 6&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=SportSync&utm_term=%2Bradio%20%2Bdelay&utm_content=Sync).