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JasonEvans
12-30-2018, 02:39 PM
Jason McIntyre says UCLA might fire Alford TODAY!!

https://twitter.com/jasonrmcintyre/status/1079459313502941184

I mean, I know Alford is on a hot seat. Actually, I say he is on a warm seat, as in he is keeping it warm for the next coach.

burnspbesq
12-30-2018, 03:47 PM
Jason McIntyre says UCLA might fire Alford TODAY!!

https://twitter.com/jasonrmcintyre/status/1079459313502941184

I mean, I know Alford is on a hot seat. Actually, I say he is on a warm seat, as in he is keeping it warm for the next coach.

Guerrero makes Joe Alleva look good by comparison. Hard to imagine who he might come up with on an interim basis, although Jose Mourinho is available.

HereBeforeCoachK
12-30-2018, 04:14 PM
Guerrero makes Joe Alleva look good by comparison. Hard to imagine who he might come up with on an interim basis, although Jose Mourinho is available.

Maybe they can tempt Andy Enfield to move across town from USC (just kidding).

I remember when UCLA hired Alford....same off season USC hired Enfield from Dunk City. Lot of UCLA folks thought they were hiring "to the past" and USC was hiring "into the future." Neither coach has worked out very well. And that surprises me with Enfield....I thought Dunk City would really work great at USC.

du_bb1
12-30-2018, 08:14 PM
I hear Larry Brown is available......

jimsumner
12-30-2018, 08:18 PM
I hear Larry Brown is available...

He is. He just got fired for the 83rd time.

lotusland
12-31-2018, 08:25 AM
The front page article mentioned Cal as a candidate for UCLA but I couldn’t help thinking he’d be a better fit with the Lakers who seemingly need a player first guy with a strong personality to manage egos with Lebron, Lonzo and LaVar than an X and O guy. Also I’m sure Greg Marshall would listen but it doesn’t seem like a great fit to me. Marshall is more of a big fish/small pond guy from what I know. What about Hurley?

TKG
12-31-2018, 09:11 AM
ESPN reporting Alford has been fired.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25651854/ucla-bruins-fire-coach-steve-alford-woeful-start-season

HereBeforeCoachK
12-31-2018, 09:11 AM
The front page article mentioned Cal as a candidate for UCLA but I couldn’t help thinking he’d be a better fit with the Lakers who seemingly need a player first guy with a strong personality to manage egos with Lebron, Lonzo and LaVar than an X and O guy. Also I’m sure Greg Marshall would listen but it doesn’t seem like a great fit to me. Marshall is more of a big fish/small pond guy from what I know. What about Hurley?

Interesting: I'm not sure I see Marshall as a good fit for LA....though the man can flat out coach clearly....and Cal seems a bit bored at UK now, so who knows. There is speculation around Musselman at Nevada, and that seems like a good hire for UCLA IMO.

And, adding to the pressure, while Andy Enfield hasn't done very well at USC, he has a recruiting class rated #1 by some services coming in. UCLA is not happy when Southern Cal is better than them in hoops....

subzero02
12-31-2018, 09:11 AM
The front page article mentioned Cal as a candidate for UCLA but I couldn’t help thinking he’d be a better fit with the Lakers who seemingly need a player first guy with a strong personality to manage egos with Lebron, Lonzo and LaVar than an X and O guy. Also I’m sure Greg Marshall would listen but it doesn’t seem like a great fit to me. Marshall is more of a big fish/small pond guy from what I know. What about Hurley?

I think Wojo will be a strong consideration... maybe Bruce Pearl too.

JasonEvans
12-31-2018, 11:37 AM
UCLA is a big big big time job. Anybody who is a hot name is going to get mentioned and is a possibility. I agree with others that Calipari may be ready for a change of scenery.

ESPN is touting Fred Hoiberg, who is free now after being fired by the Bulls. His style of offensive basketball and his connections to the NBA would make him an effective recruiter, and he could step in right away. If UCLA waits until the end of the year, I think Kevin Keats could be in the conversation. There is a lot of buzz about what he has done in a short time at NC State. Musselman at Nevada has to be a strong contender.

ESPN also talking about Jamie Dixon at TCU and Tony Bennett... but why would Bennett leave a Hall of Fame in the making career at Virginia for what could be an uncertain future at UCLA?

-Jason "if the search lasts until the end of the season, a lot of guys are going to get big raises after UCLA 'expresses interest' in them" Evans

lotusland
12-31-2018, 11:53 AM
UCLA is a big big big time job. Anybody who is a hot name is going to get mentioned and is a possibility. I agree with others that Calipari may be ready for a change of scenery.

ESPN is touting Fred Hoiberg, who is free now after being fired by the Bulls. His style of offensive basketball and his connections to the NBA would make him an effective recruiter, and he could step in right away. If UCLA waits until the end of the year, I think Kevin Keats could be in the conversation. There is a lot of buzz about what he has done in a short time at NC State. Musselman at Nevada has to be a strong contender.

ESPN also talking about Jamie Dixon at TCU and Tony Bennett... but why would Bennett leave a Hall of Fame in the making career at Virginia for what could be an uncertain future at UCLA?

-Jason "if the search lasts until the end of the season, a lot of guys are going to get big raises after UCLA 'expresses interest' in them" Evans

Is it a big time job? They are a crappy team in a crappy conference in a pro market and they haven’t attracted a big time coach in a long time. There just doesn’t seem to be much enthusiasm around the program. Marquette, DePaul and San Francisco were blue bloods in the day but, at some point, you take a step down. I guess they can open the bank but, otherwise, the job doesn’t seem that great to me.

JasonEvans
12-31-2018, 12:01 PM
Is it a big time job? They are a crappy team in a crappy conference in a pro market and they haven’t attracted a big time coach in a long time. There just doesn’t seem to be much enthusiasm around the program. Marquette, DePaul and San Francisco were blue bloods in the day but, at some point, you take a step down. I guess they can open the bank but, otherwise, the job doesn’t seem that great to me.

1) They may be a crappy team but they have incredible talent and seem to consistently get McDonald's All-Americans. A good coach would see a ton of potential there.
2) They have a lot of money and would be able to off a raise, probably a significant one, to any coach they went after.
3) They are in the 2nd largest media market in the country and the center of the entertainment industry. If you win at UCLA, you can do some big things in the endorsement/entertainment world.
4) Their tradition is up there with the biggest programs of all time.
5) The gorgeous campus and SoCal location are an easy sell to recruits as well as to a coach's family if you are asking them to move.

-Jason "when UCLA hires their next coach, I think you will see what a big time job it is... they will get someone significant" Evans

UrinalCake
12-31-2018, 12:15 PM
I remember when UCLA hired Alford...same off season USC hired Enfield from Dunk City. Lot of UCLA folks thought they were hiring "to the past" and USC was hiring "into the future." Neither coach has worked out very well.

Meanwhile the guy that UCLA fired - Ben Howland - has Mississippi State in the top 25. I kinda feel like teams fire their coaches without consideration for who they can get to replace him and whether that would actually be an upgrade.

lotusland
12-31-2018, 12:16 PM
1) They may be a crappy team but they have incredible talent and seem to consistently get McDonald's All-Americans. A good coach would see a ton of potential there.
2) They have a lot of money and would be able to off a raise, probably a significant one, to any coach they went after.
3) They are in the 2nd largest media market in the country and the center of the entertainment industry. If you win at UCLA, you can do some big things in the endorsement/entertainment world.
4) Their tradition is up there with the biggest programs of all time.
5) The gorgeous campus and SoCal location are an easy sell to recruits as well as to a coach's family if you are asking them to move.

-Jason "when UCLA hires their next coach, I think you will see what a big time job it is... they will get someone significant" Evans
But all those things have been true forever. Why is this time different? And who would be “significant “? Was Alford significant? I think Cal is significant and Marshall is significant. An Unemployed NBA coach, a retread or an up and comers wouldn’t surprise or impress me and, imo, they’d be just as likely to be back in the same place in 3-years as back to a championship contender.

UrinalCake
12-31-2018, 12:22 PM
^ also, to counter Jason’s points:

1.) The arena is apart from the main campus and student support isn’t always great
2.) you’re competing with a miillion other sports teams and entertainment options
3.) fan expectations are completely out of whack
4.) cost of living is exhorbitant
5.) LA traffic - enough said

SoCalDukeFan
12-31-2018, 12:23 PM
Maybe they can tempt Andy Enfield to move across town from USC (just kidding).

I remember when UCLA hired Alford...same off season USC hired Enfield from Dunk City. Lot of UCLA folks thought they were hiring "to the past" and USC was hiring "into the future." Neither coach has worked out very well. And that surprises me with Enfield...I thought Dunk City would really work great at USC.

I think Enfield is still a work in progress at USC. USC is a football school. The support for basketball from fans is just not there. Many many people i n LA are USC football fans but have no connection to the school. They are not USC basketball fans. Neither are many students and alumni.

The Pac 12 has become a second rate conference in football and men's basketball. Still trying to figure out why but the results speak for themselves. Big problem is a bad and way over paid commissioner, bad TV situation, and less money going back to the schools than the other Power 5 conferences. More concerned about equality for Oregon State and Washington State then superiority for the top teams. But Oregon certainly has money, as does UCLA so things may improve.

UCLA was able to hire Chip Kelly for football so I think they can hire a bball coach who is in demand. They were pretty good with Ben Howland but the fans did not like his style, so I don't see Jamie Dixon.

I hope they hire Bill Walton so I don't have to listen to him on TV telecasts.

SoCal

OldPhiKap
12-31-2018, 12:24 PM
I don’t see Bennett at UCLA. He has a really good gig now, and his style of play ain’t exactly “Show Time.” Don’t think it would fly out there.

Cal may feign interest to up his contract, but I doubt much else.

Nevada is this year’s flavor, I’m guessing that is where UCLA poaches.

lotusland
12-31-2018, 12:29 PM
Quinn Snyder has LA hair and seems like Utah is in a mediocre holding pattern. Sometimes it’s better to leave before you’re escorted out.

BD80
12-31-2018, 12:32 PM
1) They may be a crappy team but they have incredible talent and seem to consistently get McDonald's All-Americans. A good coach would see a ton of potential there.
2) They have a lot of money and would be able to off a raise, probably a significant one, to any coach they went after.
3) They are in the 2nd largest media market in the country and the center of the entertainment industry. If you win at UCLA, you can do some big things in the endorsement/entertainment world.
4) Their tradition is up there with the biggest programs of all time.
5) The gorgeous campus and SoCal location are an easy sell to recruits as well as to a coach's family if you are asking them to move.

-Jason "when UCLA hires their next coach, I think you will see what a big time job it is... they will get someone significant" Evans

It is a position for a coach with ambition.

Do they have private funds available from a booster club like a USC or Kentucky?

For a coach like Calipari, the UCLA job could be a stepping stone to the Lakers coaching job.

I love thinking about the reaction of the Big Blue nation if cal were to leave for another college job, the implication being that a different college coaching gig is better than the UK coaching position. Priceless.

Devil2
12-31-2018, 12:34 PM
^ also, to counter Jason’s points:

1.) The arena is apart from the main campus and student support isn’t always great
2.) you’re competing with a miillion other sports teams and entertainment options
3.) fan expectations are completely out of whack
4.) cost of living is exhorbitant
5.) LA traffic - enough said

Pauley Pavillion is right on the main campus. It is closer to the dorms than the dorms are to the classroom buildings

Indoor66
12-31-2018, 12:42 PM
Pauley Pavillion is right on the main campus. It is closer to the dorms than the dorms are to the classroom buildings

Sounds like UnCheat. 😡🤢

BD80
12-31-2018, 12:50 PM
Pauley Pavillion is right on the main campus. It is closer to the dorms than the dorms are to the classroom buildings


Sounds like UnCheat. 😡🤢

Like that is a relevant concern at unc! The classrooms could be on Mars, or in the main concourse of the dean dome, it would make no difference to unc's "student" athletes.

Devil2
12-31-2018, 12:50 PM
Pauley Pavillion is right on the main campus. It is closer to the dorms than the dorms are to the classroom buildings

It is on the lower campus but is close to the student Union. I went to UCLA school of management for my MBA

Nugget
12-31-2018, 01:05 PM
The UCLA fans' expectations are no doubt out of whack, but the presence of so many other things going on in LA makes it much less of a pressure cooker job than UK/UNC/Duke/Kansas/Indiana where the local media and populace is laser-focused on the basketball program.

My take having grown up in LA and then moving back here after graduating from Duke is that the biggest problem with the last two coaches (Alford and Howland) hasn't so much been a lack of winning -- though they should have won more -- but style of play. They just haven't been exciting enough offensively to capture attention in LA, outside of the Lonzo season (when the excitement here was real) and the Howland FF season when they had Westbrook, Collison and Kevin Love (whose incredible outlet passes were unique enough to be exciting).

I think Marshall (while a great x and o coach) would be another terrible fit. And Hoiberg would likely put the right kind of game plan in, but he has too little interest in recruiting to be a good match. Cal will flirt with it, but ultimately I don't think he'd leave UK now. I don't see Wojo as a great fit in LA either.

Quin is a very interesting choice and, while he's been away from recruiting for a long time, he was definitely good at it while at Duke and Mizzou.

Musselman seems like the best fit from an energy perspective -- both on and off court. Oddly, I think UCLA would have preferred for Alford to win enough to muddle through to the end of the season. Firing him now complicates chasing Muss b/c he will not want to mess up a dream season at Nevada by publicly being courted by UCLA for the next 2 months whereas UCLA will be under pressure to hire someone now.

I think jumping to sign Hoiberg just b/c he's available would be another big mistake by UCLA.

OZZIE4DUKE
12-31-2018, 01:12 PM
Quin is a very interesting choice and, while he's been away from recruiting for a long time, he was definitely good at it while at Duke and Mizzou.

Quin had NCAA problems from his recruiting at Mizzou. He found his nitch, and coaching redemption, in the D-league and then the NBA where he didn't have to recruit. No inside information, but I doubt he'd be interested in a college job. LGD GTHc!

HereBeforeCoachK
12-31-2018, 01:48 PM
I think Enfield is still a work in progress at USC. USC is a football school. The support for basketball from fans is just not there. Many many people i n LA are USC football fans but have no connection to the school. They are not USC basketball fans. Neither are many students and alumni.
SoCal

All that is true.....but Enfield apparently made a bunch of money, I think on Wall Street, married a super model, and then wanted to coach. He got the job at Florida Gulf Coast, inherited a bunch of players no one else wanted, and then figured out about six of them could jump out of the gym....and Dunk City was born. And the FGCU players loved him to boot.

That's why I thought he would sell in LA....he's got a lot going for him that's not purely hoops...surely the Maxim model bride doesn't hurt. And - his incoming recruiting class is ranked number one at the moment.

zippy_the_cat
12-31-2018, 03:33 PM
ESPN also talking about Jamie Dixon at TCU and Tony Bennett... but why would Bennett leave a Hall of Fame in the making career at Virginia for what could be an uncertain future at UCLA?

I can't see UCLA alums being willing to sit still for Bennett's playstyle even if it brings the team wins.

DU82
12-31-2018, 03:54 PM
ESPN also talking about Jamie Dixon at TCU and Tony Bennett... but why would Bennett leave a Hall of Fame in the making career at Virginia for what could be an uncertain future at UCLA?



Dixon went "home" to TCU (Horned Frog grad) so I'm not sure he'd be that interested, either.

DangerDevil
12-31-2018, 04:48 PM
Potential UCLA replacements according to the LA Times:

https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-alford-fired-20181231-story.html

“Potential candidates to replace the 54-year-old Alford could include the Oklahoma City Thunder’s Billy Donovan, Virginia’s Tony Bennett, Michigan’s John Beilein, Gonzaga’s Mark Few, North Carolina State’s Kevin Keatts, Texas Christian’s Jamie Dixon, Texas Tech’s Chris Beard, Cincinnati’s Mick Cronin, Wichita State’s Gregg Marshall, Utah’s Larry Krystkowiak and former Chicago Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg.”

lotusland
12-31-2018, 05:00 PM
Potential UCLA replacements according to the LA Times:

https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-alford-fired-20181231-story.html

“Potential candidates to replace the 54-year-old Alford could include the Oklahoma City Thunder’s Billy Donovan, Virginia’s Tony Bennett, Michigan’s John Beilein, Gonzaga’s Mark Few, North Carolina State’s Kevin Keatts, Texas Christian’s Jamie Dixon, Texas Tech’s Chris Beard, Cincinnati’s Mick Cronin, Wichita State’s Gregg Marshall, Utah’s Larry Krystkowiak and former Chicago Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg.”

So everyone except Musselman and Cal.

OldPhiKap
12-31-2018, 05:02 PM
Billy Donovan always had that "LA" vibe to me. Maybe it's just the greased hair.

TruBlu
12-31-2018, 05:33 PM
I can't see UCLA alums being willing to sit still for Bennett's playstyle even if it brings the team wins.

UVA did put up 100 points against Marshal today. Was Bennett auditioning for the UCLA job?

MChambers
12-31-2018, 07:20 PM
UVA did put up 100 points against Marshal today. Was Bennett auditioning for the UCLA job?

Doubt it, since he left his heart in San Francisco.

BD80
12-31-2018, 07:27 PM
Potential UCLA replacements according to the LA Times:

https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-alford-fired-20181231-story.html

“Potential candidates to replace the 54-year-old Alford could include the Oklahoma City Thunder’s Billy Donovan, Virginia’s Tony Bennett, Michigan’s John Beilein, Gonzaga’s Mark Few, North Carolina State’s Kevin Keatts, Texas Christian’s Jamie Dixon, Texas Tech’s Chris Beard, Cincinnati’s Mick Cronin, Wichita State’s Gregg Marshall, Utah’s Larry Krystkowiak and former Chicago Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg.”


So everyone except Musselman and Cal.

And ol' roy.

CrazyNotCrazie
12-31-2018, 07:28 PM
Potential UCLA replacements according to the LA Times:

https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-alford-fired-20181231-story.html

“Potential candidates to replace the 54-year-old Alford could include the Oklahoma City Thunder’s Billy Donovan, Virginia’s Tony Bennett, Michigan’s John Beilein, Gonzaga’s Mark Few, North Carolina State’s Kevin Keatts, Texas Christian’s Jamie Dixon, Texas Tech’s Chris Beard, Cincinnati’s Mick Cronin, Wichita State’s Gregg Marshall, Utah’s Larry Krystkowiak and former Chicago Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg.”

Some of these candidates could be legit but there are some real reaches here - I highly doubt that Beilein (about to turn 66) or Few are realistically in the running - Beilein is unlikely to move at this point and I think Few is very happy where he is and has likely been approached previously for the same job.

UCLA is still a huge job but perhaps not quite as huge as its fans think it is, which makes it that much harder. They are going to have to throw out huge amounts of money to get the type of coach they think they deserve.

devilseven
12-31-2018, 07:32 PM
And ol' roy.

ol' roy has already been offered and turned them down.

timmy c
12-31-2018, 07:48 PM
ol' roy has already been offered and turned them down.

Ol roy doesn't give a sh%! About ucla. (Or academic integrity)

brevity
12-31-2018, 08:31 PM
ESPN reporting Alford has been fired.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25651854/ucla-bruins-fire-coach-steve-alford-woeful-start-season

Why fire him on December 31? Are there tax considerations? Is it like couples who get married before the end of the year because they can file jointly for the whole year? I’m sure that’s exactly what Miley and Liam had in mind.

Just watching the Gator Bowl on New Year’s Eve, and thinking about tax issues. Not sure why.

SoCalDukeFan
01-02-2019, 01:13 AM
Why fire him on December 31? Are there tax considerations? Is it like couples who get married before the end of the year because they can file jointly for the whole year? I’m sure that’s exactly what Miley and Liam had in mind.

Just watching the Gator Bowl on New Year’s Eve, and thinking about tax issues. Not sure why.

A friend of mine who is a big UCLA fan wanted him gone within 5 minutes of losing to Liberty at home.

If you live you on the Best Coast that clearly you should want UCLA to hire Bill Walton. Would get on the TV as a color man. He is horrible.


SoCal

subzero02
01-02-2019, 06:10 AM
A friend of mine who is a big UCLA fan wanted him gone within 5 minutes of losing to Liberty at home.

If you live you on the Best Coast that clearly you should want UCLA to hire Bill Walton. Would get on the TV as a color man. He is horrible.


SoCal

I see...

lotusland
01-02-2019, 09:35 AM
More speculation - this article adds Doc Rivers, Chris Collins and Buzz Williams to the list of names.

https://apple.news/AbPVOLRsYSb6xK7qxQkM60Q

BigWayne
01-04-2019, 12:19 PM
A friend of mine who is a big UCLA fan wanted him gone within 5 minutes of losing to Liberty at home.

If you live you on the Best Coast that clearly you should want UCLA to hire Bill Walton. Would get on the TV as a color man. He is horrible.


SoCal

I don't think Walton is interested, but he offered up his suggestion during last night's broadcast. (https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1081044206817345548/video/1)

richardjackson199
01-06-2019, 08:51 PM
Tom Thibodeau Fired by Timberwolves:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25700462/minnesota-timberwolves-fire-coach-tom-thibodeau

Thibs is friends with Coach K from their time coaching the Olympic team together. I think he's great and I'm sure he will get another good gig. Maybe he should coach UCLA. Southern Cal would def be a nice change of climate from Minneapolis this time of year.

lotusland
01-06-2019, 11:04 PM
Tom Thibodeau Fired by Timberwolves:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25700462/minnesota-timberwolves-fire-coach-tom-thibodeau

Thibs is friends with Coach K from their time coaching the Olympic team together. I think he's great and I'm sure he will get another good gig. Maybe he should coach UCLA. Southern Cal would def be a nice change of climate from Minneapolis this time of year.

Especially since Hoiberg is now a candidate for HC or GM in Minnesota

HereBeforeCoachK
01-07-2019, 06:34 AM
Tom Thibodeau Fired by Timberwolves:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25700462/minnesota-timberwolves-fire-coach-tom-thibodeau

Thibs is friends with Coach K from their time coaching the Olympic team together. I think he's great and I'm sure he will get another good gig. Maybe he should coach UCLA. Southern Cal would def be a nice change of climate from Minneapolis this time of year.

Thibs and the So Cal area not a great fit IMO. He is a quality coach however.

YmoBeThere
03-10-2019, 06:42 AM
Is Chris C. there? There has been lots of discussion of Bryce Drew on the Vandy pages.

brevity
03-13-2019, 08:22 PM
Houston Chronicle: Texas A&M's Billy Kennedy won't be back (https://www.chron.com/sports/aggies/article/Texas-A-M-s-Billy-Kennedy-won-t-be-back-13683278.php)


A&M's top target is expected to be Virginia Tech coach Buzz Williams, a native Texan and a former A&M assistant under Billy Gillispie from 2004-06.

lotusland
03-13-2019, 09:19 PM
Houston Chronicle: Texas A&M's Billy Kennedy won't be back (https://www.chron.com/sports/aggies/article/Texas-A-M-s-Billy-Kennedy-won-t-be-back-13683278.php)

Buzz is a freak but he’s a good coach and I’m not confident that VPI can get an equal replacement so I hope he stays put. He’d be at a football school either way but at least he’s in a hoops conference now.

BeachBlueDevil
03-13-2019, 10:01 PM
Shaver out at William & Mary.

Shaver did a great job at W&M (even if he is a Tar Heel). When you consider it being a small school with the tough academics recruiting can be difficult. Shaver found a way to keep them competitive in the CAA most the time.

From here it will be interesting to see where William & Mary goes for a coach. They are still without a Big Dance berth and really want to get over that hump. They might look to Pitt at Jason Capel and Milan Brown. Both have ties to the area and Hampton Roads/Virginia has some talent.



https://www.richmond.com/sports/college/schools/william-and-mary/unexpectedly-william-mary-dismisses-basketball-coach-tony-shaver/article_f5dc4cb8-85f0-551a-91da-8f1b3f74f75b.html

wsb3
03-16-2019, 05:14 PM
Dunleavy out at Tulane.

Acymetric
03-18-2019, 03:13 PM
Another one bites the dust as Matt Matheny is fired at Elon with 2 years remaining on his contract (he just got an extension). Elon is no basketball powerhouse, but their performance has been pretty bad with him at the helm and they just built a new gym, so presumably they felt they needed to capitalize before any momentum from the new facilities was lost and Mathaney wasn't getting it done. I expect he'll land on someone's staff as an assistant in one of the smaller conferences.

http://www.elonnewsnetwork.com/article/2019/03/elon-university-mens-basketball-head-coach-matt-matheny-fired

As an Elon alum, I was excited when Matt was hired (he was an assistant at Davidson prior) but was ready to see him go after years of lackluster performance and making absolutely no noise in the conference tournaments during his tenure (made it out of the first round just 3 times since 2009). Certainly don't expect a flashy hire, this won't change the basketball landscape but I'll be curious to see who they bring in.

They also had 3 players just announce they were transferring on Friday. Interestingly, that leaves Elon with only 6 returning scholarship players and 2 incoming commits (assuming they stay committed). The question is, were the players transferring because Mathaney was keeping his job and the mass transfer forced the AD's hand (in which case maybe some or all of the three transfers decide to stay), or had they been tipped off that Mathaney was on his way out and left because they wanted him to stay?

brevity
03-19-2019, 03:38 PM
St. Joseph's fires Phil Martelli (https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2019/03/19/Saint-Josephs-fires-coach-Phil-Martelli-after-34-seasons/5721553020075/) after 34 years (10 as an assistant coach, 24 as head coach).

Of interest to ACC fans: former BC coach Al Skinner has ended his tenure at Kennesaw State (https://ksuowls.com/news/2019/2/21/mens-basketball-skinner-to-step-down-following-2018-19-season.aspx?path=mbball).

ESPN has not started its Coaching Changes page yet, so here's the 2019 Coaching Carousel from NBC Sports (https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/03/18/college-basketball-2019-coaching-carousel/).

BD80
03-19-2019, 05:14 PM
St. Joseph's fires Phil Martelli (https://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2019/03/19/Saint-Josephs-fires-coach-Phil-Martelli-after-34-seasons/5721553020075/) after 34 years (10 as an assistant coach, 24 as head coach). ...

This is surprising, if only that they didn't reach agreement on announcing this as a retirement. With his tenure and reputation, I'd like to think that they gave him that opportunity.

FerryFor50
03-19-2019, 05:24 PM
Shaver did a great job at W&M (even if he is a Tar Heel). When you consider it being a small school with the tough academics recruiting can be difficult. Shaver found a way to keep them competitive in the CAA most the time.


Guess he didn't bring the Carolina Way with him...

OldPhiKap
03-22-2019, 10:26 AM
Bryce Drew out at Vandy

wilson
03-22-2019, 10:33 AM
Bryce Drew out at VandyPresumably, YmoBeThere will be pleased.
Story. (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26331103/drew-0-18-sec-season-ousted-vandy)

BD80
03-22-2019, 10:38 AM
Arrivederci Avery at Alabama.

That should spin the carousel a turn or two ...

TKG
03-22-2019, 10:42 AM
From the DBR news affiliate in The Dump on The Hump: Roy Williams has been the offered the head coaching position at all schools mentioned, thus far, but has decided to remain in his current role.

ChillinDuke
03-22-2019, 10:44 AM
Bryce Drew out at Vandy

Didn't they just hire him? How many years was he even there? 2? 3?

- Chillin

OldPhiKap
03-22-2019, 11:15 AM
Didn't they just hire him? How many years was he even there? 2? 3?

- Chillin

Pretty sure this was just his third year. 0-18 in the conference will leave a mark I guess, no matter which year.

ChillinDuke
03-22-2019, 01:11 PM
Pretty sure this was just his third year. 0-18 in the conference will leave a mark I guess, no matter which year.

I mean, sure, very bad year. But they did lose a Top-10 draft pick this year, and they were 4-0 with him before that (while not against a murderers row, they were decent wins).

- Chillin

frb
03-22-2019, 01:58 PM
Drew got a raw deal. He lost Garland but was coming off the best recruiting class at vandy in decades.. signed 2 top 100 type recruits last november in Dylan Disu and Austin Crowley..plus scottie pippen jr. new AD walks in and wants to make himself seem useful.

BD80
03-22-2019, 02:33 PM
... 0-18 in the conference will leave a mark I guess, ...

Not in the wins column ...

YmoBeThere
03-22-2019, 03:24 PM
Presumably, YmoBeThere will be pleased.
Story. (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26331103/drew-0-18-sec-season-ousted-vandy)

In a way. I hate to see people get fired but the team never responded to his coaching. Or he wasn't coaching. I watched 28 out of the 32 games this season and the team just didn't get better. Yes, with Garland out there should have been an expected dropoff in team performance. But that doesn't mean going winless in conference is an acceptable outcome.


Drew got a raw deal. He lost Garland but was coming off the best recruiting class at vandy in decades.. signed 2 top 100 type recruits last november in Dylan Disu and Austin Crowley..plus scottie pippen jr. new AD walks in and wants to make himself seem useful.

I would guess that you may not have seen many of the games. His recruiting was fine but in many ways the players regressed on the court. And this wasn't just a one season thing. He went 12-20 the year before. I'm glad ADMT had the courage to make the tough decision. Otherwise we could be in Wake's position and dealing with "The Lost Decade" (as someone phrased it) in a couple years. We may still be, but at least for the moment we can hope for better days.

CameronBornAndBred
03-23-2019, 12:47 PM
Wow...

So Wake Forest will not be a landing site for a new coach this year.


Danny Manning will return for a sixth season at Wake Forest despite his third 20-loss season in five years.
Retiring athletic director Ron Wellman announced the decision Friday, 10 days after the Demon Deacons ended an 11-20 season with a loss to Miami in the first round of the Atlantic Coast Conference tournament.

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/manning-to-return-to-wake-despite-3rd-20-loss-season/18277346/

Green Wave Dukie
03-24-2019, 05:24 PM
Dunleavy out at Tulane.

And Ron Hunter in...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26348346/tulane-hiring-georgia-state-hunter-coach

Some of you will remember his moment of fame, 4 years ago, falling off a stool (which I think is one of the classic NCAA basketball tourney clips of all time)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmcOo-bGJp0

BD80
03-24-2019, 08:42 PM
And Ron Hunter in...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26348346/tulane-hiring-georgia-state-hunter-coach

Some of you will remember his moment of fame, 4 years ago, falling off a stool (which I think is one of the classic NCAA basketball tourney clips of all time)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmcOo-bGJp0

So when the university asks for a stool sample as part of the onboarding process ...

DangerDevil
03-24-2019, 09:12 PM
Add Cal Berkeley to the list.

Waking Jones out after two seasons and a 16 and 47 record.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26350524/california-fires-coach-jones-8-23-season

JasonEvans
03-25-2019, 08:30 AM
And Ron Hunter in...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26348346/tulane-hiring-georgia-state-hunter-coach

I don't get this. Hunter has done an amazing job at Ga State (3 NCAA tourneys in 6 years, 4 out of 6 seasons winning 24+ games) and I would have thought he would be in line for a much bigger job. Tulane feels like a lateral move. The Green Wave are in a better conference (the AAC) and have a great campus that could be attractive in recruiting, but they have very little history of success (3 NCAA tournaments in their history, have not been to the NIT or NCAA in almost 2 decades).

-Jason "I don't know why a bigger program would not have gone after him" Evans

DallasDevil
03-26-2019, 04:04 PM
Two more jobs opened up today. Dave Rose announced his retirement as BYU's coach, and Nebraska let go of Tim Miles. Mark Pope is reported to be the leading candidate for the BYU job, and Nebraska is reportedly eyeing Fred Hoiberg.

Article on Rose/BYU: https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900062369/byu-mens-basketball-coach-dave-rose-to-hold-press-conference-tuesday-afternoon.html

Article on Miles/Nebraska: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26365922/nebraska-parts-ways-miles-eyes-hoiberg

Pghdukie
03-26-2019, 04:54 PM
Arkansas parts ways with their HC Anderson

flyingdutchdevil
03-26-2019, 05:39 PM
Wow...

So Wake Forest will not be a landing site for a new coach this year.


https://www.wralsportsfan.com/manning-to-return-to-wake-despite-3rd-20-loss-season/18277346/

I'm with you. This is shocking. For a really, really solid program with some incredible alumni (Duncan, Paul), I'm utterly shocked they kept Manning.

It's like WFU enjoys losing at basketball. Manning has a record of 65-93 (41%) at WFU. And they're still keeping him!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

Really unbelievable.

TKG
03-26-2019, 05:48 PM
I'm with you. This is shocking. For a really, really solid program with some incredible alumni (Duncan, Paul), I'm utterly shocked they kept Manning.

It's like WFU enjoys losing at basketball. Manning has a record of 65-93 (41%) at WFU. And they're still keeping him!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

Really unbelievable.


As we have come to understand, Wake is a volleyball school.

wsb3
03-26-2019, 06:35 PM
I'm with you. This is shocking. For a really, really solid program with some incredible alumni (Duncan, Paul), I'm utterly shocked they kept Manning.

It's like WFU enjoys losing at basketball. Manning has a record of 65-93 (41%) at WFU. And they're still keeping him!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

Really unbelievable.

Again..big contract buyout because the AD thought he did something to merit a contract extension a couple years back

wsb3
03-27-2019, 12:08 PM
https://heavy.com/sports/2019/03/johnny-dawkins-ucf-vanderbilt-vandy-rumors/

Interesting. I have no idea how much more Vanderbilt could pay but I find myself hoping he stays at UCF. Also, how does Vanderbilt admissions line up with Stanford? I confess I have no idea. If memory serves me correctly it seems like we use to go head to head often on recruits with Stanford.

Acymetric
03-27-2019, 12:13 PM
https://heavy.com/sports/2019/03/johnny-dawkins-ucf-vanderbilt-vandy-rumors/

Interesting. I have no idea how much more Vanderbilt could pay but I find myself hoping he stays at UCF. Also, how does Vanderbilt admissions line up with Stanford? I confess I have no idea. If memory serves me correctly it seems like we use to go head to head often on recruits with Stanford.

I would think that

A) Johnny would want a better P5 job than Vandy. I don't really see it as a big step up from UCF...I suppose they might be able to offer more money but I'm not confident that they would

B) Johnny is not going to leave after his son transfers to play for him (unless the younger Dawkins is going to graduate and go pro after this year)

Edit: I see the article discusses the angle of staying with his son (I would be surprised if he goes pro this year but who knows?). I still don't think Vandy is worth leaving UCF for.

sagegrouse
03-27-2019, 12:24 PM
I would think that

A) Johnny would want a better P5 job than Vandy. I don't really see it as a big step up from UCF...I suppose they might be able to offer more money but I'm not confident that they would

B) Johnny is not going to leave after his son transfers to play for him (unless the younger Dawkins is going to graduate and go pro after this year)

Edit: I see the article discusses the angle of staying with his son (I would be surprised if he goes pro this year but who knows?). I still don't think Vandy is worth leaving UCF for.

I may have the details wrong, but I understand that Aubrey Dawkins may return to UCF, after which he would be eligible for Social Security.

CameronBornAndBred
03-27-2019, 12:43 PM
I'm happy to see JD's name rumored for anything. Obviously, he was not the answer at Stanford, but he has since then proved himself for being a coach worthy of attention.
I'd like to see him stay at least another year or two at UCF so he can show what he can do with some momentum.

HaveFunExpectToWin
03-27-2019, 02:11 PM
Pretty sure this was just his third year. 0-18 in the conference will leave a mark I guess, no matter which year.

This year was worse than many saw from the outside. Drew is a standup guy and got some exciting recruits that Stallings was never able to, but the players didn’t improve and seemed to quit from my and other fans’ perspective.

Also, that’s a low blow on the front page. Memorial is as fine a gym as you’ll find in college basketball. Go Dores.

House P
03-27-2019, 02:59 PM
I would think that

A) Johnny would want a better P5 job than Vandy. I don't really see it as a big step up from UCF.

I should probably leave this to YmoBeThere, but I feel oddly compelled to step in and try to defend Vandy's reputation. :)

You are probably right if you consider the past 3 years. The Bryce Drew era at Vandy probably hasn't been a step up from the Johnny Dawkins era at UCF. Additionally, UCF seems to be putting a lot of emphasis on big time sports, so who knows what the trajectory holds for the next 10 years. While I wouldn't bet a pie on it, it is entirely possible that UCF could be as strong of a program as Vandy in 2025.

However, prior to Johnny and Bryce arriving at their respective schools, you could make an fair argument for Vandy as a top 50 basketball program, while UCF was barely on anyone's radar.

Here's some perspective.

Weeks ranked in the AP Poll (1949-2016)
Vandy: 204 (43rd best)
UCF: 4 (171st best)

Weeks ranked in the AP Poll (2000-2016)
Vandy: 60 (47th best)
UCF: 4 (101st best)

NCAA tournament bids, 12 seed or higher (2000-2016)
Vandy: 7
UCF: 0 (in fairness, UCF had appearances as a 14 seed and a 15 seed from the American Sun conference)

Seasons ranked in KenPom top 50 (2001-2016)
Vandy: 9
UCF: 0

Seasons ranked in KenPom top 100 (2001-2016)
Vandy: 15
UCF: 2

Acymetric
03-27-2019, 03:09 PM
I should probably leave this to YmoBeThere, but I feel oddly compelled to step in and try to defend Vandy's reputation. :)

You are probably right if you consider the past 3 years. The Bryce Drew era at Vandy probably hasn't been a step up from the Johnny Dawkins era at UCF. Additionally, UCF seems to be putting a lot of emphasis on big time sports, so who knows what the trajectory holds for the next 10 years. While I wouldn't bet a pie on it, it is entirely possible that UCF could be as strong of a program as Vandy in 2025.

However, prior to Johnny and Bryce arriving at their respective schools, you could make an fair argument for Vandy as a top 50 basketball program, while UCF was barely on anyone's radar.

Here's some perspective.

Weeks ranked in the AP Poll (1949-2016)
Vandy: 204 (43rd best)
UCF: 4 (171st best)

Weeks ranked in the AP Poll (2000-2016)
Vandy: 60 (47th best)
UCF: 4 (101st best)

NCAA tournament bids, 12 seed or higher (2000-2016)
Vandy: 7
UCF: 0 (in fairness, UCF had appearances as a 14 seed and a 15 seed from the American Sun conference)

Seasons ranked in KenPom top 50 (2001-2016)
Vandy: 9
UCF: 0

Seasons ranked in KenPom top 100 (2001-2016)
Vandy: 15
UCF: 2

Vandy most certainly has more (better) basketball history. However their resources are similar (despite being in the SEC, Vandy's athletic revenue is just barely more than UCF's currently), and while UCF is certainly focused on football I get the impression that they are placing a large emphasis on sports generally, so there may actually be more institutional support there than Vandy. Unless the money is significantly better (and I don't see any reason that it would be) I'm not sure there is a strong argument for Vandy as a better coaching destination than UCF currently (it certainly would have been in years past, but the emphasis on athletics at UCF appears to be recent and picking up steam).

This is more an indication of changes at UCF than an indictment of Vandy (although I do think Vandy is less appealing now than it would have been 10 years ago).

BD80
03-27-2019, 03:14 PM
I may have the details wrong, but I understand that Aubrey Dawkins may return to UCF, after which he would be eligible for Social Security.

Actually, he was eligible this year. There has been an inquiry as to weather this would impact his amateur status, but there aren't many precedents to guide the way.

The bigger issue is that he has now earned every degree that UCF has to offer.

I hear Sketchers wants to sign him in a big way, his name will go on their new basketball shoe with Velcro closure!

CameronBornAndBred
03-27-2019, 03:47 PM
Actually, he was eligible this year. There has been an inquiry as to weather this would impact his amateur status, but there aren't many precedents to guide the way.


Can we expect a storm to be brewing?

House P
03-27-2019, 04:03 PM
Vandy most certainly has more (better) basketball history. However their resources are similar (despite being in the SEC, Vandy's athletic revenue is just barely more than UCF's currently), and while UCF is certainly focused on football I get the impression that they are placing a large emphasis on sports generally, so there may actually be more institutional support there than Vandy. Unless the money is significantly better (and I don't see any reason that it would be) I'm not sure there is a strong argument for Vandy as a better coaching destination than UCF currently (it certainly would have been in years past, but the emphasis on athletics at UCF appears to be recent and picking up steam).

This is more an indication of changes at UCF than an indictment of Vandy (although I do think Vandy is less appealing now than it would have been 10 years ago).

I agree entirely. Vandy has much a much better history/tradition, but UCF seems to be on a much better trajectory.

The real question for Johnny is whether UCF can maintain this trajectory. Otherwise, they may join the ranks of schools (like Cleveland State, George Mason, Loyola Marymount, UAB or Fresno St) who rose from relative obscurity to a few years of national relevance and are now back to being just another "Quadrant 3-type program" where an NIT bid constitutes a good season.

HereBeforeCoachK
03-27-2019, 04:39 PM
Vandy most certainly has more (better) basketball history. However their resources are similar (despite being in the SEC, Vandy's athletic revenue is just barely more than UCF's currently), and while UCF is certainly focused on football I get the impression that they are placing a large emphasis on sports generally, so there may actually be more institutional support there than Vandy. Unless the money is significantly better (and I don't see any reason that it would be) I'm not sure there is a strong argument for Vandy as a better coaching destination than UCF currently (it certainly would have been in years past, but the emphasis on athletics at UCF appears to be recent and picking up steam).

This is more an indication of changes at UCF than an indictment of Vandy (although I do think Vandy is less appealing now than it would have been 10 years ago).

UCF was a smaller school not that long ago, when they decided to take advantage of Florida's exploding population - and turn it into a large school with big time athletics. They are more central to Florida than Gainsville, Tallahassee or Miami....and they intend on becoming one of, if not THE, university in Florida for athletics. That was laughable ten years ago. Now? Not so much....

DU82
03-27-2019, 04:43 PM
I agree entirely. Vandy has much a much better history/tradition, but UCF seems to be on a much better trajectory.

The real question for Johnny is whether UCF can maintain this trajectory. Otherwise, they may join the ranks of schools (like Cleveland State, George Mason, Loyola Marymount, UAB or Fresno St) who rose from relative obscurity to a few years of national relevance and are now back to being just another "Quadrant 3-type program" where an NIT bid constitutes a good season.

I think UCF has an advantage over these other schools in that they have a decent football program, and are in a higher level conference. For football, probably the best of the group of six, and basketball one with some history. They also seem to have the resources to move forward.

CrazyNotCrazie
03-27-2019, 04:50 PM
Johnny's agent might also be leveraging the somewhat logical fit of him going to Vandy and his recent success and positive PR to get him a raise at UCF.

CrazyNotCrazie
03-27-2019, 05:01 PM
Alabama hired Buffalo's coach Nate Oats. He seems to have done a good job in his four years at Buffalo but I really think he is setting himself up to fail. Prior to being the head coach at Buffalo he was Bobby Hurley's assistant there. Prior to that he was a HS coach outside Detroit. Alabama is a tough enough job as it is, and he seems to have no ties to the area. I wish him the best of luck, but sometimes I think it isn't always wise to chase the big money and alleged prestige - he had just signed a nice extension at Buffalo.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26374216/alabama-hires-buffalo-oats-head-coach

BigWayne
03-27-2019, 05:06 PM
UCF was a smaller school not that long ago, when they decided to take advantage of Florida's exploding population - and turn it into a large school with big time athletics. They are more central to Florida than Gainsville, Tallahassee or Miami...and they intend on becoming one of, if not THE, university in Florida for athletics. That was laughable ten years ago. Now? Not so much...

The University of Central Florida, or UCF, is a state university in Orlando, Florida. It has more students enrolled on campus than any other U.S. college or university. 68,571 (Fall 2018)

Time is on UCF's side as their alumni population grows and eventually exceeds that of the Gators and Seminoles.

BandAlum83
03-27-2019, 05:22 PM
Actually, he was eligible this year. There has been an inquiry as to weather this would impact his amateur status, but there aren't many precedents to guide the way.

The bigger issue is that he has now earned every degree that UCF has to offer.

I hear Sketchers wants to sign him in a big way, his name will go on their new basketball shoe with Velcro closure!

I've seen the mock-ups for a big campaign for sketchers new mall-walking shoe: the Aubrey.

It's sick!

BandAlum83
03-27-2019, 05:23 PM
I agree entirely. Vandy has much a much better history/tradition, but UCF seems to be on a much better trajectory.

The real question for Johnny is whether UCF can maintain this trajectory. Otherwise, they may join the ranks of schools (like Cleveland State, George Mason, Loyola Marymount, UAB or Fresno St) who rose from relative obscurity to a few years of national relevance and are now back to being just another "Quadrant 3-type program" where an NIT bid constitutes a good season.

UCF is part of a newly emerging potential basketball power-conference. They aren't kidding around.

arnie
03-27-2019, 05:42 PM
UCF is part of a newly emerging potential basketball power-conference. They aren't kidding around.

Could see UCF joining ACC after next defection. Maybe replace the Cheats when their football rises to SEC standards🏆

BandAlum83
03-27-2019, 05:50 PM
Could see UCF joining ACC after next defection. Maybe replace the Cheats when their football rises to SEC standards🏆

Maybe before. We do have an odd number of members. One more could even out the divisions.

wsb3
03-27-2019, 05:55 PM
I know we are talking men's coaching changes. But Holly Warlick out at UT after 7 seasons.Following a legend..My first thought was that she had been HC 7 seasons? I would have never guessed it to be that long. I miss Pat. Such a sad horrible disease..

CameronBornAndBred
03-27-2019, 06:08 PM
UCF is part of a newly emerging potential basketball power-conference. They aren't kidding around.

It would be nice to see ECU catch up in the AAF. The Pirates take football seriously, but good lord are they ever bad in basketball. And poor old UCONN...how the mighty have fallen.

House P
03-27-2019, 07:35 PM
UCF was a smaller school not that long ago, when they decided to take advantage of Florida's exploding population - and turn it into a large school with big time athletics. They are more central to Florida than Gainsville, Tallahassee or Miami...and they intend on becoming one of, if not THE, university in Florida for athletics. That was laughable ten years ago. Now? Not so much...

It seems like only yesterday that USF was the "up-and-coming" Florida sports school. Now, UCF seems to have supplanted USF in that role.*

Not sure what the magic formula is to sustain this trajectory, but UCF certainly seems to have several things going for it: large and growing enrollment, commitment to athletics, solid football program, respectable hoops conference, Johnny Dawkins, and a modestly skilled 7'6" hoops player.



*If UCF can't hold the mantle, will Florida International be next in line? For what I can tell, FIU's enrollment is also in the top 5 nationally.

53n206
03-27-2019, 07:50 PM
Johnny should stay there - at at least for another year. Consolidate his winning team and get a much better offer than Vanderbilt has at this time.

cspan37421
03-27-2019, 07:51 PM
Could see UCF joining ACC after next defection. Maybe replace the Cheats when their football rises to SEC standards🏆

I read "rises to SEC standards", which just seemed like such an impossibility, and was poised to correct you. However, I realized you were talking about UNC, so ... point taken!

TKG
03-27-2019, 08:54 PM
And poor old UCONN...how the mighty have fallen.

Good riddance.

cspan37421
03-27-2019, 09:11 PM
I know we are talking men's coaching changes. But Holly Warlick out at UT after 7 seasons.

Coach G mentioned as a possibility:

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26373629/who-tennessee-hire-replace-head-coach-holly-warlick

The headline and copy uses "whom" ("Whom will Tennessee hire to replace head coach Holly Warlick?"). This sounds wrong, but I'm not the greatest grammarian. The URL uses "who".

cspan37421
03-27-2019, 09:13 PM
I read "rises to SEC standards", which just seemed like such an impossibility, and was poised to correct you. However, I realized you were talking about UNC, so ... point taken!

BTW, I meant ethical standards! UNC would have to reach up to reach SEC ethical levels, which I never thought would be the case. But here we are, and dadgummit, they don't care.

EKU1969
03-27-2019, 09:27 PM
The headline and copy uses "whom" ("Whom will Tennessee hire to replace head coach Holly Warlick?"). This sounds wrong, but I'm not the greatest grammarian. The URL uses "who".[/QUOTE]

The sentence could be written, “Tennessee will hire whom to be their new coach” or “Who will be Tennessee’s next coach?” So, I would say the original sentence is correct.
Just my 2 cents.

arnie
03-27-2019, 09:46 PM
BTW, I meant ethical standards! UNC would have to reach up to reach SEC ethical levels, which I never thought would be the case. But here we are, and dadgummit, they don't care.

Yes, double meaning was intended. But seriously think they're a better fit in the SEC as they lowered their academic standards for athletes below traditional ACC levels decades ago. And of course, the school administration has no ethical standards today.

Phredd3
03-27-2019, 10:24 PM
Coach G mentioned as a possibility:

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26373629/who-tennessee-hire-replace-head-coach-holly-warlick

The headline and copy uses "whom" ("Whom will Tennessee hire to replace head coach Holly Warlick?"). This sounds wrong, but I'm not the greatest grammarian. The URL uses "who".

I would be very interested to see how Coach G would do after her last, relatively unsuccessful gig. I think she's a pretty gifted coach, so I would expect with the name and resources of the Tennessee program behind her, she would do pretty well. The point of comparison for a new coach has been reset from the Pat Summit standard, so it's no longer an impossible job.

BTW, "Whom will Tennessee hire" is technically correct. "Whom" is the direct object of the transitive verb "to hire", so the objective form of the pronoun is correct. That seems to be losing favor in every day use (most people would incorrectly use the subject form), but the ESPN copy is correct. Interestingly, their web guys don't seem to have much English training. They use the subject form in the page title displayed on your browser tab.

fidel
03-28-2019, 10:51 AM
"Whom will Tennessee hire" is technically correct. "Whom" is the direct object of the transitive verb "to hire", so the objective form of the pronoun is correct. That seems to be losing favor in every day use (most people would incorrectly use the subject form), but the ESPN copy is correct. Interestingly, their web guys don't seem to have much English training. They use the subject form in the page title displayed on your browser tab.

Whom knew this? Those perfumed print guys....

golfinesquire
03-28-2019, 02:02 PM
Whom knew this? Those perfumed print guys...

Well, actually, the correct wording is "who knew this." Who is the subject of the sentence. I know: no one likes a smart I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.

Acymetric
03-28-2019, 02:21 PM
I would be very interested to see how Coach G would do after her last, relatively unsuccessful gig. I think she's a pretty gifted coach, so I would expect with the name and resources of the Tennessee program behind her, she would do pretty well. The point of comparison for a new coach has been reset from the Pat Summit standard, so it's no longer an impossible job.

BTW, "Whom will Tennessee hire" is technically correct. "Whom" is the direct object of the transitive verb "to hire", so the objective form of the pronoun is correct. That seems to be losing favor in every day use (most people would incorrectly use the subject form), but the ESPN copy is correct. Interestingly, their web guys don't seem to have much English training. They use the subject form in the page title displayed on your browser tab.

Well, the url is most likely generated by their publishing tool when they push an article based on the headline text. Best guess, they published it with the headline reading "Who" and then edited it to say "Whom" after someone decided it should be corrected. No web guys involved.

CameronBornAndBred
03-28-2019, 02:29 PM
Geno's take on replacing a legend.


"I get asked all the time who would the next coach at Connecticut be," Auriemma said. "I said, 'I really would have no opinion on that.' Because maybe a bunch of my assistants would want that job, or former assistants. I think it's hard for a person in our situation to say, 'Well, I'm going to hand-pick the next coach.' I think anybody who's tried to do that has really not done a good job of it."

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26380790/auriemma-impatient-fans-await-next-vols-coach

mbwalker
03-30-2019, 02:19 PM
this says it's a done deal:

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/03/30/buzz-williams-to-texas-am-is-done-sources/

devildeac
03-30-2019, 02:25 PM
this says it's a done deal:

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/03/30/buzz-williams-to-texas-am-is-done-sources/

Hint to everyone: open this link and read the article, making sure you view the rare photo of buzzy about halfway down the page.







































(spoiler: it's a buzzard attempting to fly from its rare home off the court)

MChambers
03-30-2019, 03:34 PM
Hint to everyone: open this link and read the article, making sure you view the rare photo of buzzy about halfway down the page.

(spoiler: it's a buzzard attempting to fly from its rare home off the court)

Does that make it a buzzard link? (Not that I bear a grudge or anything.)

devildeac
03-30-2019, 03:40 PM
Does that make it a buzzard link? (Not that I bear a grudge or anything.)

Indeed it does. A bald buzzard link. :rolleyes:

OldPhiKap
03-30-2019, 04:35 PM
I like Buzz and wish him well if true.

wsb3
03-30-2019, 04:50 PM
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-fred-hoiberg-nebraska-coach-20190330-story.html

duke74
03-30-2019, 05:12 PM
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-fred-hoiberg-nebraska-coach-20190330-story.html

And reportedly taking Chris Mullins’ top (basically only) recruiting assistant coach, Matt Andelmassih. Understand that he is one of the best in the game. (Chris would be in trouble if he weren’t a god around here.)

wsb3
04-01-2019, 05:02 PM
Rick Byrd retiring ...Belmont..

superdave
04-01-2019, 05:24 PM
this says it's a done deal:

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/03/30/buzz-williams-to-texas-am-is-done-sources/

This would be a tough break for the ACC because I cant imagine VT will be able to replicate the last few seasons under Buzz with any new coaches.

I dont know if they can break the bank to keep him, but it would be worth it.

CameronBornAndBred
04-01-2019, 05:28 PM
This would be a tough break for the ACC because I cant imagine VT will be able to replicate the last few seasons under Buzz with any new coaches.

I dont know if they can break the bank to keep him, but it would be worth it.

I'm not sure money would keep him away, the lure of alums calling you home is way strong.

JetpackJesus
04-01-2019, 05:38 PM
UK reportedly offering Cal a lifetime deal (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26417804/kentucky-offers-calipari-life-deal) that would keep him in a role at Kentucky post-retirement. Apparently UCLA has offered him a $48M/6yr deal.

Perhaps the most interesting part of the article is that UCLA does not use charter flights and flies commercial. Apparently this has been a major hurdle for UCLA in trying to land a coach.

CameronBornAndBred
04-01-2019, 05:46 PM
Perhaps the most interesting part of the article is that UCLA does not use charter flights and flies commercial. Apparently this has been a major hurdle for UCLA in trying to land a coach.

I'd hate to be on that plane.

"Quit kicking my seat, what are you, seven years old?!"
"No, I'm seven feet tall!"

wsb3
04-01-2019, 06:09 PM
UK reportedly offering Cal a lifetime deal (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26417804/kentucky-offers-calipari-life-deal) that would keep him in a role at Kentucky post-retirement. Apparently UCLA has offered him a $48M/6yr deal.

Perhaps the most interesting part of the article is that UCLA does not use charter flights and flies commercial. Apparently this has been a major hurdle for UCLA in trying to land a coach.

Why would he go to UCLA for a pay cut or am I missing something, which could well be the case...considering UK is paying him 9.2 million per year.

cruxer
04-01-2019, 06:15 PM
UK reportedly offering Cal a lifetime deal (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26417804/kentucky-offers-calipari-life-deal) that would keep him in a role at Kentucky post-retirement. Apparently UCLA has offered him a $48M/6yr deal.

Perhaps the most interesting part of the article is that UCLA does not use charter flights and flies commercial. Apparently this has been a major hurdle for UCLA in trying to land a coach.

I read an article earlier this year that lamented that going it alone on the Pac 12 network and making its hq in downtown San Francisco was really draining the conferences resources and ability to compete with member payouts. This may be some of the fruits of that....

-c

CrazyNotCrazie
04-01-2019, 06:42 PM
UK reportedly offering Cal a lifetime deal (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26417804/kentucky-offers-calipari-life-deal) that would keep him in a role at Kentucky post-retirement. Apparently UCLA has offered him a $48M/6yr deal.

Perhaps the most interesting part of the article is that UCLA does not use charter flights and flies commercial. Apparently this has been a major hurdle for UCLA in trying to land a coach.

Reminds me of one of the best book titles ever by Jim Valvano: They Gave me a Lifetime Contract and Then They Declared me Dead

https://www.amazon.com/Valvano-They-Lifetime-Contract-Declared/dp/0671732536

HaveFunExpectToWin
04-01-2019, 07:48 PM
Stackhouse to Vandy.

The Erik Meek fan in me wants to reject this plan.

pfrduke
04-01-2019, 08:08 PM
Stackhouse to Vandy.

The Erik Meek fan in me wants to reject this plan.

Stackhouse has been an excellent coach in the G League. I think this is a good hire for Vandy.

YmoBeThere
04-01-2019, 08:22 PM
Stackhouse to Vandy.

The Erik Meek fan in me wants to reject this plan.

Still in the rumor phase, but as they say where there is smoke...

YmoBeThere
04-01-2019, 08:25 PM
Stackhouse has been an excellent coach in the G League. I think this is a good hire for Vandy.

Ummm, yeah, no. Stackhouse was likely a primary beneficiary of the AFAM "process", not sure how a credible university could tolerate that.

BD80
04-01-2019, 08:38 PM
Stackhouse has been an excellent coach in the G League. I think this is a good hire for Vandy.

Maybe he can hire Laettner as an assistant. They played together on the Pistons and got into a fight on a flight. Apparently, Christian was constantly belittling Stack's intelligence, calling him dumb as a rock.

HaveFunExpectToWin
04-01-2019, 08:45 PM
Ummm, yeah, no. Stackhouse was likely a primary beneficiary of the AFAM "process", not sure how a credible university could tolerate that.

To be clear, my dislike of him only has to do with his two years at Carolina and any potential Dean Smith disciple-ness he might bring. His knowledge of AAU and the pros brings an interesting dynamic. This could be a good thing.

Here’s a nice recap.
https://www.anchorofgold.com/2019/4/1/18291387/memphis-grizzlies-assistant-jerry-stackhouse-in-talks-to-become-vanderbilts-basketball-coach

devildeac
04-01-2019, 09:15 PM
Maybe he can hire Laettner as an assistant. They played together on the Pistons and got into a fight on a flight. Apparently, Christian was constantly belittling Stack's intelligence, calling him dumb as a rock.

I'd imagine the rock took great offense to that comparison...

SamHouston
04-01-2019, 09:19 PM
To be clear, my dislike of him only has to do with his two years at Carolina and any potential Dean Smith disciple-ness he might bring. His knowledge of AAU and the pros brings an interesting dynamic. This could be a good thing.

Here’s a nice recap.
https://www.anchorofgold.com/2019/4/1/18291387/memphis-grizzlies-assistant-jerry-stackhouse-in-talks-to-become-vanderbilts-basketball-coach


I can understand Jerry Stackhouse success in 21st Century Barnstorming known as the "G" League. I cannot see Stack running Vanderbilt Basketball....too many stakeholders.

YmoBeThere
04-01-2019, 09:32 PM
To be clear, my dislike of him only has to do with his two years at Carolina and any potential Dean Smith disciple-ness he might bring. His knowledge of AAU and the pros brings an interesting dynamic. This could be a good thing.

Here’s a nice recap.
https://www.anchorofgold.com/2019/4/1/18291387/memphis-grizzlies-assistant-jerry-stackhouse-in-talks-to-become-vanderbilts-basketball-coach

Don't read the comments there, you'll quickly figure out which one is me.

devildeac
04-01-2019, 10:38 PM
Don't read the comments there, you'll quickly figure out which one is me.

That was indeed an easy task. ;)

hallcity
04-01-2019, 11:23 PM
this says it's a done deal:

https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/03/30/buzz-williams-to-texas-am-is-done-sources/

So, why hasn’t Buzz to Texas A&M been announced yet? Is it really a done deal?

accfanfrom1970
04-01-2019, 11:24 PM
Wojo to VaTech? Can’t stand the Hokies, not sure how I feel about that one. Capel and Wojo in the acc? Who would have thunk it.

HaveFunExpectToWin
04-01-2019, 11:27 PM
Don't read the comments there, you'll quickly figure out which one is me.

Could be worse. Could have been King Rice.

YmoBeThere
04-02-2019, 03:29 AM
That was indeed an easy task. ;)

And I added more.

MChambers
04-02-2019, 09:41 AM
Maybe he can hire Laettner as an assistant. They played together on the Pistons and got into a fight on a flight. Apparently, Christian was constantly belittling Stack's intelligence, calling him dumb as a rock.

When Stackhouse was with the Wizards (one of those great personnel moves by GM Michael Jordan), he got in an altercation over a beach house rental. Apparently he thought a one week rental was for eight days.

http://a.espncdn.com/nba/news/2003/0716/1581791.html

devildeac
04-02-2019, 09:51 AM
When Stackhouse was with the Wizards (one of those great personnel moves by GM Michael Jordan), he got in an altercation over a beach house rental. Apparently he thought a one week rental was for eight days.

http://a.espncdn.com/nba/news/2003/0716/1581791.html

Must be a Beatles fan...

JayZee
04-02-2019, 12:27 PM
Wojo to VaTech? Can’t stand the Hokies, not sure how I feel about that one. Capel and Wojo in the acc? Who would have thunk it.

I grew up in Milwaukee and on Marquette basketball. I just can't understand why someone would want to move from Marquette/Milwaukee to VT/Blacksburg.

Marquette has a pretty solid bball history and has lots of constructive support from the community. Plus, without football, the basketball program is clear #1. And Milwaukee is a decent city.

VT and Blacksburg - I guess they are in the ACC. Other than that, and maybe $$, not sure what the gain would be.

sagegrouse
04-02-2019, 12:40 PM
I grew up in Milwaukee and on Marquette basketball. I just can't understand why someone would want to move from Marquette/Milwaukee to VT/Blacksburg.

Marquette has a pretty solid bball history and has lots of constructive support from the community. Plus, without football, the basketball program is clear #1. And Milwaukee is a decent city.

VT and Blacksburg - I guess they are in the ACC. Other than that, and maybe $$, not sure what the gain would be.

As Gary Williams said about his time as head coach at Boston College, "Catholic universities do not pay very well." I dunno if it's still true (Notre Dame is an exception, of course).

CameronBornAndBred
04-02-2019, 12:43 PM
Wojo is from Maryland, spent many years in Durham. Giving up the East Coast climate for Wisconsin is no easy task. Hell, my gf is from up there, and she has no interest in going back, not even really to visit. (At least if it's not between June and September.)
I know if I were given the choice...

Plus, it IS the ACC. The greatest basketball conference in the country. You can debate that all you want, but you'd lose.

JayZee
04-02-2019, 01:43 PM
Wojo is from Maryland, spent many years in Durham. Giving up the East Coast climate for Wisconsin is no easy task. Hell, my gf is from up there, and she has no interest in going back, not even really to visit. (At least if it's not between June and September.)
I know if I were given the choice...

Plus, it IS the ACC. The greatest basketball conference in the country. You can debate that all you want, but you'd lose.

I get that - I moved away from WI 25 years ago and I'm never going back.

But, while WI winters are pretty bad - they are not much worse than the east coast, well, at least the NE.

But the summers are WAYYY better than the mid atlantic and the south.

Nrrrrvous
04-02-2019, 02:53 PM
Wojo to VT would be awesome! I think? Being a Duke fan since middle school but attending VT for undergrad (I think I missed maybe 1 game in 4 years?), my allegiances have always been divided. Now one of my favorite players would be coaching my alma mater?? Possibly bringing it into the upper echelon of college basketball? I need a beer or two to figure out how I feel about this!

BeachBlueDevil
04-02-2019, 03:48 PM
William and Mary goes with a young coach in Dane Fischer..... Most known for recruiting and signing Lakers player Mike Muscala to Bucknell.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/elsewhere/basketball/article_16b02462-556d-11e9-bf5e-e362e769cf4a.html

DukieInKansas
04-02-2019, 03:49 PM
Hint to everyone: open this link and read the article, making sure you view the rare photo of buzzy about halfway down the page.



(spoiler: it's a buzzard attempting to fly from its rare home off the court)

That picture is so much better with your caption.

DukieInKansas
04-02-2019, 03:52 PM
Wojo to VaTech? Can’t stand the Hokies, not sure how I feel about that one. Capel and Wojo in the acc? Who would have thunk it.

Filling ACC head coaching positions with Duke/Coach K former players/assistants is sure to torque some people. :D

devildeac
04-02-2019, 03:53 PM
That picture is so much better with your caption.

Thank you. :D

SamHouston
04-02-2019, 04:52 PM
As Gary Williams said about his time as head coach at Boston College, "Catholic universities do not pay very well." I dunno if it's still true (Notre Dame is an exception, of course).

ACC competition is going to be wide open in a very few years with K, Roy, Leonard Hamilton & Jim B all stepping away. This is a window of opportunity to get in when the established programs are changing coaches.

HaveFunExpectToWin
04-02-2019, 06:46 PM
And I added more.

Latest rumor is that he’s taking to Matt Doherty for an assistant position. And with that I’m not longer on board.

You told me so.

YmoBeThere
04-02-2019, 09:46 PM
Latest rumor is that he’s taking to Matt Doherty for an assistant position. And with that I’m not longer on board.

You told me so.

Sigh, I hope they don't turn the place into Carolina West.

OldPhiKap
04-02-2019, 09:48 PM
As Gary Williams said about his time as head coach at Boston College, "Catholic universities do not pay very well." I dunno if it's still true (Notre Dame is an exception, of course).

The tithing is assumed.

sagegrouse
04-02-2019, 09:49 PM
Latest rumor is that he’s taking to Matt Doherty for an assistant position. And with that I’m not longer on board.

You told me so.


Sigh, I hope they don't turn the place into Carolina West.
I lost the bubble on this series of posts -- they are about Stackhouse to Vanderbilt, which should have been obvious.

BTW, I care even less about Vanderbilt than I do about Carolina.

duke2x
04-02-2019, 10:08 PM
Vandy becoming UNC-West should not be a surprise. The new person in charge is a UNC grad with pro sports experience. I'm not sure whether that person is an "AD" since Vandy abolished its athletic department several years ago.

I don't see Wojo to VT unless his seat is really hot. VT is football first like much of the SEC, but if Wikipedia is correct that the job pays $5.6B/year, I couldn't turn it down either.

devildeac
04-02-2019, 10:15 PM
Vandy becoming UNC-West should not be a surprise. The new person in charge is a UNC grad with pro sports experience. I'm not sure whether that person is an "AD" since Vandy abolished its athletic department several years ago.

I don't see Wojo to VT unless his seat is really hot. VT is football first like much of the SEC, but if Wikipedia is correct that the job pays $5.6B/year, I couldn't turn it down either.

For a fraction of that cost, I'd go up there, flap my wings, sweat, yell at the refs constantly and intrude on the playing surface frequently. :eek:

YmoBeThere
04-03-2019, 05:53 AM
BTW, I care even less about Vanderbilt than I do about Carolina.

LOL, then why post?

TKG
04-03-2019, 06:52 AM
Sigh, I hope they don't turn the place into Carolina West.

As a reminder former Carolina assistant, Eddie Fogler, was Vandy’s head coach many moons ago.

YmoBeThere
04-03-2019, 07:19 AM
As a reminder former Carolina assistant, Eddie Fogler, was Vandy’s head coach many moons ago.

We can't erase past mistakes, just prevent future ones. And he did get Vandy to two NCAA Tournaments.

sagegrouse
04-03-2019, 08:41 AM
LOL, then why post?

Hah! Good point. I don't like impenetrable posts. The back-and-forth had lost me -- just pronouns, the only noun was Matt Doherty. I ddin't know what the messages meant and went five clicks upstream to find out and posted the results.

MChambers
04-03-2019, 10:38 AM
Washington Post story about Buzz going to Texas A&M. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/04/03/buzz-williams-reportedly-leaving-virginia-tech-texas-am/?utm_term=.ca7cf8362fa7

53n206
04-03-2019, 10:51 AM
I get that - I moved away from WI 25 years ago and I'm never going back.

But, while WI winters are pretty bad - they are not much worse than the east coast, well, at least the NE.

But the summers are WAYYY better than the mid atlantic and the south.

WI does not have the Atlantic Ocean. That's what really counts.

markbdevil
04-03-2019, 10:55 AM
Washington Post story about Buzz going to Texas A&M. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/04/03/buzz-williams-reportedly-leaving-virginia-tech-texas-am/?utm_term=.ca7cf8362fa7

maybe Va Tech can get Seth back. He seems to think he knows it all.

devildeac
04-03-2019, 11:00 AM
WI does not have the Atlantic Ocean. That's what really counts.

But, WI does have New Glarus. "Only in Wisconsin."

devildeac
04-03-2019, 11:05 AM
maybe Va Tech can get Seth back. He seems to think he knows it all.

Only if he sat/stood on the sidelines or ran up and down the court like this:

9287

Wrong thread?

:rolleyes:;)

OldPhiKap
04-03-2019, 11:28 AM
maybe Va Tech can get Seth back. He seems to think he knows it all.

We need a team to constantly ride the bubble, so that would work great.

SoCalDukeFan
04-03-2019, 05:26 PM
Evidently he is the top choice.

Buyout seems to be the obstacle.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-jamie-dixon-ucla-basketball-coach-hired-20190403-story.html



SoCal

frb
04-03-2019, 06:03 PM
who is the kid we recruited a bit but didn't offer that signed with VA Tech? Harris? Think we revisit that if he gets out of his NLI?

Nugget
04-03-2019, 06:05 PM
I suspect Wojo's decision to stay or leave Marquette would be impacted greatly by the NBA Draft decisions of Markus Howard and the Hausers. If all three of them come back, then Marquette would be pretty loaded for next year -- returning those guys plus starters Scar Anim and Theo John (and reserves Brendan Bailey and Jamal Cain who got significant playing time), giving Wojo 7 of his top 8 guys returning (including 4 of them as Seniors), along with incoming transfer Koby McEwan, who was a Top 100 recruit and averaged 16 pts per game at Utah St. two years ago, before leaving due to a coaching change.

I'd bet that team would be the pre-season pick in the Big East over Villanova (talented but extremely young) and Seton Hall.

HereBeforeCoachK
04-03-2019, 07:00 PM
We need a team to constantly ride the bubble, so that would work great.

...is Les Robinson available?

Acymetric
04-05-2019, 10:46 AM
Rumors floating around that our old friend Matt Doherty is in the mix for the Elon job. Looking for some positive DBR vibes to stave off this potential travesty.

PackMan97
04-05-2019, 10:55 AM
Evidently he is the top choice.

Buyout seems to be the obstacle.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-jamie-dixon-ucla-basketball-coach-hired-20190403-story.html



SoCal

NC State: We are #1 at ruining a coaching searches by demanding a return to the glory days. (see Lowe, Gottfried)
UCLA: Here, hold my beer.

53n206
04-05-2019, 11:40 AM
NC State: We are #1 at ruining a coaching searches by demanding a return to the glory days. (see Lowe, Gottfried)
UCLA: Here, hold my beer.

Having been a Duke undergrad during some of Case's glory years at State, I still am very nervous whenever we play them. Conditioned reflex I guess.

sagegrouse
04-05-2019, 11:47 AM
Having been a Duke undergrad during some of Case's glory years at State, I still am very nervous whenever we play them. Conditioned reflex I guess.

In my four years at Duke the only home game we lost was to Case's Wolfpack.

YmoBeThere
04-05-2019, 12:11 PM
Rumors floating around that our old friend Matt Doherty is in the mix for the Elon job. Looking for some positive DBR vibes to stave off this potential travesty.

He’s also been rumored as the top assistant for Stackhouse at Vandy. Who was just “announced” as the next head coach at Vandy a few minutes ago.

TruBlu
04-05-2019, 12:13 PM
Rumors floating around that our old friend Matt Doherty is in the mix for the Elon job. Looking for some positive DBR vibes to stave off this potential travesty.

Let’s keep Matt available to replace Roy, when he retires.

Elon, you can do better.

CameronBornAndBred
04-05-2019, 12:17 PM
He’s also been rumored as the top assistant for Stackhouse at Vandy. Who was just “announced” as the next head coach at Vandy a few minutes ago.


Besides the six-year deal for Stackhouse, Vanderbilt has pledged to upgrade its financial commitment to the program, including increased assistant coaching salaries and budgets.
That sounds similar to what Duke did to land a certain football coach.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26424522/sources-stackhouse-agrees-coach-vanderbilt

PackMan97
04-05-2019, 12:18 PM
Having been a Duke undergrad during some of Case's glory years at State, I still am very nervous whenever we play them. Conditioned reflex I guess.

Coach K is 56-23 against NC State and most of those L's came when Sloan and Valvano were coaching.

Robinson was 3-11 vs Duke
Sendek 3-20
Lowe 2-7
Gottfired 3-8
Keatts 1-2

So, since 1990 State is 12-48 vs Duke. You really have that reflex strongly conditioned not to be rid of it by now.

CameronBornAndBred
04-05-2019, 12:46 PM
Gottfired 3-8


Don't know if that's an intentional typo or not, but it's hilarious.

Acymetric
04-05-2019, 12:47 PM
He’s also been rumored as the top assistant for Stackhouse at Vandy. Who was just “announced” as the next head coach at Vandy a few minutes ago.


Let’s keep Matt available to replace Roy, when he retires.

Elon, you can do better.

Crisis averted! Elon hires a guy with plenty of Duke/Duke adjacent ties in Mike Schrage.

https://elonphoenix.com/news/2019/4/5/elon-names-mike-schrage-its-18th-head-mens-basketball-coach.aspx

Assistant under Knight at Indiana.
9 years under K at Duke (Recruiting Coordinator and then Director of Basketball Operations 1999-2008)
8 years as an assistant under Dawkins at Stanford
Most recently spent a couple years as an assistant at Ohio State.

PackMan97
04-05-2019, 12:51 PM
Don't know if that's an intentional typo or not, but it's hilarious.

It was a Freudian slip. Unintended but it conveys my inner thoughts on the man.

I think everyone deserves to be called by their real name. I used to be in the habit of poking fun at some Carolina athletes by mangling their names and realized that isn't necessary. People will think what they think without me making fun of their name, the only thing I was doing was bringing myself down.

Reddevil
04-05-2019, 12:51 PM
Evidently he is the top choice.

Buyout seems to be the obstacle.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-jamie-dixon-ucla-basketball-coach-hired-20190403-story.html



SoCal

I would have guessed Eric Musselman to UCLA. Just seems too perfect. He wins and the style of play is entertaining.

Tripping William
04-05-2019, 01:00 PM
Stackhouse to Vandy is apparently official (https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/04/05/jerry-stackhouse-new-vanderbilt-head-coach-contract-memphis-grizzlies).

UNCfan
04-05-2019, 01:04 PM
I believe he will be UNC’s next head coach.

richardjackson199
04-05-2019, 01:09 PM
I believe he will be UNC’s next head coach.

Interesting. Not Hubert? I think Hubert is outstanding I hate to admit. I really saw a tremendous improvement in the cheats' coaching after he joined the staff.

UNCfan
04-05-2019, 01:47 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Stackhouse, Hubert, and Rasheed Wallace on the coaching staff one day.

I think Stackhouse, if he succeeds at Vanderbilt, will be a really strong replacement for Roy.

frb
04-05-2019, 01:52 PM
I would have guessed Eric Musselman to UCLA. Just seems too perfect. He wins and the style of play is entertaining.

the rap on him is he relies too heavily on transfers.. And there's a stigma on transfers.. they bring baggage.. fair or not... not the best reputation if you're looking to coach at a blue blood. I think Mick Cronin gets the job. Dixon will get a new deal from TCU.

killerleft
04-05-2019, 01:57 PM
Rumors floating around that our old friend Matt Doherty is in the mix for the Elon job. Looking for some positive DBR vibes to stave off this potential travesty.

I'll tell Andre Buckner. Push him back, push him back, waaaay back!

Edit: I see Elon pushed him back without any help!

MChambers
04-05-2019, 01:59 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Stackhouse, Hubert, and Rasheed Wallace on the coaching staff one day.

I think Stackhouse, if he succeeds at Vanderbilt, will be a really strong replacement for Roy.

If Rasheed coaches like he played, he could set the alltime records for technicals by a coach.

Reddevil
04-05-2019, 02:14 PM
the rap on him is he relies too heavily on transfers.. And there's a stigma on transfers.. they bring baggage.. fair or not... not the best reputation if you're looking to coach at a blue blood. I think Mick Cronin gets the job. Dixon will get a new deal from TCU.

Wow, that's too bad. He probably needed to go the transfer route at Nevada to build it up, but at a flagship program like UCLA he could recruit the talent more easily. Reputations are sometimes earned through circumstance.

SamHouston
04-05-2019, 03:22 PM
Stackhouse to Vandy is apparently official (https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/04/05/jerry-stackhouse-new-vanderbilt-head-coach-contract-memphis-grizzlies).

Visualize the president of Vanderbilt University reviewing Jerry Stackhouse UNC transcript!

Not a PowerPoint highlighting his credentials, the real one.

He can ball, damn straight. Go to Hell.

Forrest
04-05-2019, 04:00 PM
Stackhouse to Vandy is apparently official (https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/04/05/jerry-stackhouse-new-vanderbilt-head-coach-contract-memphis-grizzlies).
You'd think that, for a Vandy alum/fan like me, *any* change after a season that featured an 0-18 conference record and a 20-game (and counting) losing streak would be encouraging. But no, having a UNC 'grad' as head coach, not to mention one with no college coaching or recruiting experience, does not feel like a step up. The comment above that we'll be better able to recruit competitively with Memphis, when we've almost *never* recruited the same kids as that school, doesn't make me feel any better, either. If Stackhouse flames out like Sidney 'similar resume' Lowe, the 'Dores will have dug themselves a pretty deep hole to get out of. Sigh . . .

SamHouston
04-05-2019, 04:09 PM
You'd think that, for a Vandy alum/fan like me, *any* change after a season that featured an 0-18 conference record and a 20-game (and counting) losing streak would be encouraging. But no, having a UNC 'grad' as head coach, not to mention one with no college coaching or recruiting experience, does not feel like a step up. The comment above that we'll be better able to recruit competitively with Memphis, when we've almost *never* recruited the same kids as that school, doesn't make me feel any better, either. If Stackhouse flames out like Sidney 'similar resume' Lowe, the 'Dores will have dug themselves a pretty deep hole to get out of. Sigh . . .

Vanderbilt is in a stuck place. They need SEC $$$ to fund their athletics, but have different academic standards than the other public universities in their conference. As I think back on the ACC's dubious decision to grab Louisville for their "market" and "geography", I bet Mr. Swafford wishes he cut a deal with Vandy to the ACC.

SoCalDukeFan
04-05-2019, 04:24 PM
Why would the TCU AD reduce the buyout?

If Dixon leaves, then he needs to hire a replacement, who could flame out and then need to be bought out.

SoCal

BD80
04-05-2019, 04:28 PM
Vanderbilt is in a stuck place. They need SEC $$$ to fund their athletics, but have different academic standards than the other public universities in their conference. ...

So Stackhouse is the answer? Hilarious. He can't spell academics.

I saw in his introductory remarks he said he was taking a holistic approach. I wonder what he thought he was saying?

Crikey is he going to need an active staff of compliance officers.

PackMan97
04-05-2019, 04:33 PM
having a UNC 'grad' as head coach, not to mention one with no college coaching or recruiting experience, does not feel like a step up. The comment above that we'll be better able to recruit competitively with Memphis, when we've almost *never* recruited the same kids as that school, doesn't make me feel any better, either. If Stackhouse flames out like Sidney 'similar resume' Lowe, the 'Dores will have dug themselves a pretty deep hole to get out of. Sigh . . .

In Stackhouses's defense, he at least has a college degree which is more than Lowe had when State hired him.

Of course, it's likely that Lowe has done more college level work that Stackhouse, but that's a different subject ;)

HereBeforeCoachK
04-05-2019, 07:59 PM
Vanderbilt is in a stuck place. They need SEC $$$ to fund their athletics, but have different academic standards than the other public universities in their conference. As I think back on the ACC's dubious decision to grab Louisville for their "market" and "geography", I bet Mr. Swafford wishes he cut a deal with Vandy to the ACC.

I don't think so...the ACC already has a bunch of those who need the ACC$$$$ to fund their athletics....Duke included. And I see ya there BC, GT, WF.... Financially, the ACC would be better off with a SC than a Vandy. (neither gonna happen)

BD80
04-05-2019, 08:34 PM
In Stackhouses's defense, he at least has a college degree ...

No he doesn't, he has a "degree" from unc.

MChambers
04-05-2019, 08:40 PM
Am I the only one who didn’t know that after Alford was fired, UCLA was coached by Murry Bartow, Gene Bartow’s son? How weird is that? (Yes, you probably have be of a certain age to get this.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ucla-cant-hire-any-basketball-coach-it-wants-but-try-convincing-ucla-of-that/2019/04/05/8791dae8-57d1-11e9-814f-e2f46684196e_story.html?utm_term=.afb0ffbc3e93

YmoBeThere
04-05-2019, 09:31 PM
You'd think that, for a Vandy alum/fan like me, *any* change after a season that featured an 0-18 conference record and a 20-game (and counting) losing streak would be encouraging. But no, having a UNC 'grad' as head coach, not to mention one with no college coaching or recruiting experience, does not feel like a step up. The comment above that we'll be better able to recruit competitively with Memphis, when we've almost *never* recruited the same kids as that school, doesn't make me feel any better, either. If Stackhouse flames out like Sidney 'similar resume' Lowe, the 'Dores will have dug themselves a pretty deep hole to get out of. Sigh . . .

As another Vandy alum (Owen) I can say this:

1) Agreed it does not feel like a step up, it is definitely a step in a different direction. All we can do is hope for the best, though it feels like the deck is stacked against us.

2) The decision has been made there is nothing we can do to change it.
3) See #2
4) See #3

This does not give me warm fuzzies: “I have one college that I would come back and coach, just one. And you can take a guess on that one." - Jerry Stackhouse, December 2016

devildeac
04-05-2019, 11:05 PM
As another Vandy alum (Owen) I can say this:

1) Agreed it does not feel like a step up, it is definitely a step in a different direction. All we can do is hope for the best, though it feels like the deck is stacked against us.

2) The decision has been made there is nothing we can do to change it.
3) See #2
4) See #3

This does not give me warm fuzzies: “I have one college that I would come back and coach, just one. And you can take a guess on that one." - Jerry Stackhouse, December 2016

Heck, it looks like the entire house is stacked against you.

duketaylor
04-05-2019, 11:40 PM
But, WI does have New Glarus. "Only in Wisconsin."

But so does duketaylor;)
at least a few left.

CameronBornAndBred
04-06-2019, 12:46 AM
Evidently he is the top choice.

Buyout seems to be the obstacle.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-jamie-dixon-ucla-basketball-coach-hired-20190403-story.html



SoCal

So the buyout was insurmountable.
Will it be weird for Dixon, players, and fans, to have him back knowing he was eager to leave?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/report-jamie-dixon-out-of-running-for-uclas-head-coaching-job/ar-BBVFgp5?li=BBnb7Kz

lotusland
04-06-2019, 08:32 AM
So is Pitino Eligible to coach college ball? I think Rick may be the last shot UCLA has at the “significant hire” that Jason predicted. Certainly Dixon doesn’t qualify. I would argue that Texas A&M got a better coach than UCLA if it were Jamie Dixon.

richardjackson199
04-06-2019, 11:14 AM
So is Pitino Eligible to coach college ball? I think Rick may be the last shot UCLA has at the “significant hire” that Jason predicted. Certainly Dixon doesn’t qualify. I would argue that Texas A&M got a better coach than UCLA if it were Jamie Dixon.

Yes Rick Pitino is eligible. Just ask Dickie V.

CameronBornAndBred
04-06-2019, 11:52 AM
Yes Rick Pitino is eligible. Just ask Dickie V.
Hire Dickie! Ahh, a whole blissful year of not hearing him call Duke games...

Lurkingdukedog
04-06-2019, 03:20 PM
So the buyout was insurmountable.
Will it be weird for Dixon, players, and fans, to have him back knowing he was eager to leave?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/report-jamie-dixon-out-of-running-for-uclas-head-coaching-job/ar-BBVFgp5?li=BBnb7Kz

Here is another analysis of the cluster ___ that is now UCLA basketball. . . .

https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ucla-basketball-jamie-dixon-20190405-story.html

sagegrouse
04-06-2019, 05:57 PM
I see there is some turmoil (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26456236/st-john-ad-mullin-our-head-coach) at St. John's, although AD Mike Cragg says Chris Mullin would remain as head coach. I had forgotten that Duke's Mike Cragg had been hired by St. John's last September.

duke74
04-06-2019, 09:40 PM
I see there is some turmoil (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26456236/st-john-ad-mullin-our-head-coach) at St. John's, although AD Mike Cragg says Chris Mullin would remain as head coach. I had forgotten that Duke's Mike Cragg had been hired by St. John's last September.

Yup. And he’s been a great addition here.

We’ve lost our lead recruiter to Nebraska. And a top recruit (PG replacement for Shamorie) asked for his release shortly thereafter due to coaching uncertainty.

If Chris weren’t a god around here, I’m afraid he’d be in trouble.

brevity
04-06-2019, 11:26 PM
Does anyone think UCLA should just wait a few more days and see if Chris Beard is interested?

arnie
04-07-2019, 07:58 AM
Does anyone think UCLA should just wait a few more days and see if Chris Beard is interested?

Why wait? Given the current state of college b-ball; UCLA could offer him coach K $$ and have him start recruiting today. :mad:

BD80
04-07-2019, 08:58 AM
Why wait? Given the current state of college b-ball; UCLA could offer him coach K $$ and have him start recruiting today. :mad:

The school that choked on paying the $8 mil escape clause for Jamie Dixon?

The school that offered Calipari a pay cut to come to Westwood?

I doubt they're backing up the Brinks truck to anyone's door.

Are they going to have to overpay to get someone to hop into the current dumpster fire? Hell yes.

wsb3
04-07-2019, 09:07 AM
The school that choked on paying the $8 mil escape clause for Jamie Dixon?

The school that offered Calipari a pay cut to come to Westwood?

I doubt they're backing up the Brinks truck to anyone's door.

Are they going to have to overpay to get someone to hop into the current dumpster fire? Hell yes.

I don't understand the thinking to offer Cal a pay cut to come. Why bother? Maybe UCLA still views itself as a great program but sadly it is not. John Wooden is not walking through that door. And UCLA probably should hire Pitino.. (if the NCAA would allow it) This is in no way an endorsement of slick Rick...but he is a winner.. if they don't want to do that the..perhaps a young coach & give him some time...

dudog84
04-07-2019, 11:12 AM
I don't understand the thinking to offer Cal a pay cut to come. Why bother? Maybe UCLA still views itself as a great program but sadly it is not. John Wooden is not walking through that door. And UCLA probably should hire Pitino.. (if the NCAA would allow it) This is in no way an endorsement of slick Rick...but he is a winner.. if they don't want to do that the..perhaps a young coach & give him some time...

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Sorry, not really laughing at you buddy. But that is a pretty funny line. We are talking about UCLA, right? The school that fired Gene Bartow after 2 years when he went 52-9 with 2 conference championships and a loss in the Final Four to undefeated Indiana? They haven't gotten much more reasonable since.

timmy c
04-07-2019, 12:12 PM
I don't understand the thinking to offer Cal a pay cut to come. Why bother? Maybe UCLA still views itself as a great program but sadly it is not. John Wooden is not walking through that door. And UCLA probably should hire Pitino.. (if the NCAA would allow it) This is in no way an endorsement of slick Rick...but he is a winner.. if they don't want to do that the..perhaps a young coach & give him some time...

Who knows what UCLA is thinking here. My best guess is that it was pr move meant to placate big donors who want a big name hire, with the a fringe benefit being that it could start some buzz around the job that might attract an up-and-coming coach. It didn't work, and further denigrates the job.

Atlanta Duke
04-07-2019, 12:22 PM
I would have guessed Eric Musselman to UCLA. Just seems too perfect. He wins and the style of play is entertaining.

Arkansas reportedly will be hiring Musselman.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/arkansas-finalizing-deal-with-nevada-coach-eric-musselman-to-become-next-razorbacks-coach/

Emerrick
04-07-2019, 12:28 PM
As another Vandy alum (Owen) I can say this:

1) Agreed it does not feel like a step up, it is definitely a step in a different direction. All we can do is hope for the best, though it feels like the deck is stacked against us.

2) The decision has been made there is nothing we can do to change it.
3) See #2
4) See #3

This does not give me warm fuzzies: “I have one college that I would come back and coach, just one. And you can take a guess on that one." - Jerry Stackhouse, December 2016

Awful decision. I’m totally disgusted. And I didn’t think we could do worse than 0-18....

But now I know why he picked Jerry.
Turner (the AD) graduated from University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. His stay at Vandy will be short lived.

YmoBeThere
04-07-2019, 12:46 PM
His stay at Vandy will be short lived.

Stackhouse's or Turner's? Or both?

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
04-07-2019, 01:11 PM
Who knows what UCLA is thinking here. My best guess is that it was pr move meant to placate big donors who want a big name hire, with the a fringe benefit being that it could start some buzz around the job that might attract an up-and-coming coach. It didn't work, and further denigrates the job.

To be fair, the Pac 12 looks ripe for the picking by SOMEONE.

camion
04-07-2019, 06:42 PM
I'm pretty sure that Ol' Roy is waiting to turn down the UCLA job. Then again they probably won't offer it to him so he may have to preemptively decline it. ;)

BD80
04-07-2019, 07:07 PM
Wofford coach Mike Young to Va Tech. Gobble, Gobble.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26464970/sources-wofford-young-va-tech-deal

lotusland
04-07-2019, 07:10 PM
Wofford coach Mike Young to Va Tech. Gobble, Gobble.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26464970/sources-wofford-young-va-tech-deal

So Wojo to UCLA?

wsb3
04-07-2019, 07:14 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Sorry, not really laughing at you buddy. But that is a pretty funny line. We are talking about UCLA, right? The school that fired Gene Bartow after 2 years when he went 52-9 with 2 conference championships and a loss in the Final Four to undefeated Indiana? They haven't gotten much more reasonable since.

I hear you but after all their missteps over decades it might not be a bad idea to try something new..Do I expect them too? No

Pghdukie
04-07-2019, 08:32 PM
If I'm UCLA (thankfully not) - I'd take a shot at Johnny Dawkins. He has west coast experience. Familiar with the game and recruiting out west. Just my .02 worth

BD80
04-07-2019, 08:54 PM
Tennessee's Rick Barnes being wooed to Westwood:

https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Rick-Barnes-UCLA-basketball-Tennessee-130984681/

Currently at $3.5 mil per year and $5 mil buyout. Contract just renegotiated last year.

UCLA balked at paying Dixon's $8 mil buyout.

TKG
04-07-2019, 09:02 PM
Tennessee's Rick Barnes being wooed to Westwood:

https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Rick-Barnes-UCLA-basketball-Tennessee-130984681/

Currently at $3.5 mil per year and $5 mil buyout. Contract just renegotiated last year.

UCLA balked at paying Dixon's $8 mil buyout.

Had no idea that Barnes spent 17 years in Austin. Damn.

sagegrouse
04-07-2019, 09:04 PM
Tennessee's Rick Barnes being wooed to Westwood:

https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Rick-Barnes-UCLA-basketball-Tennessee-130984681/

Currently at $3.5 mil per year and $5 mil buyout. Contract just renegotiated last year.

UCLA balked at paying Dixon's $8 mil buyout.

It'll never work unless UCLA changes its colors to orange.

wsb3
04-07-2019, 09:34 PM
I predict Rick gets a raise & stays at Tenn..

Emerrick
04-07-2019, 10:14 PM
Stackhouse's or Turner's? Or both?

Both

DangerDevil
04-09-2019, 12:01 AM
ESPN is reporting that sources say Chris Mullin is likely to step down and Bobby Hurley will be their top replacement target.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26474517/sources-mullin-likely-step-st-johns

Chicken Little
04-09-2019, 12:07 AM
ESPN is reporting that sources say Chris Mullin is likely to step down and Bobby Hurley will be their top replacement target.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26474517/sources-mullin-likely-step-st-johns

Is this an April Fool's joke?

Wow.

lotusland
04-09-2019, 12:14 AM
ESPN is reporting that sources say Chris Mullin is likely to step down and Bobby Hurley will be their top replacement target.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26474517/sources-mullin-likely-step-st-johns

Well at least he wouldn’t have to play his brother every year since UConn was banished to the A10.

Nugget
04-09-2019, 12:17 AM
Well at least he wouldn’t have to play his brother every year since UConn was banished to the A10.

St John's AD spent 30 years at Duke, so looking at Hurley would make sense

brevity
04-09-2019, 01:55 AM
I predict Rick gets a raise & stays at Tenn..

Right on both counts.

CBS Sports: Tennessee coach Rick Barnes turns down UCLA offer, gets new deal with Volunteers (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/tennessee-coach-rick-barnes-turns-down-ucla-offer-gets-new-deal-with-volunteers/amp/)

He’s getting a raise from $3.25M to $5M a year, and will represent Orange in the next Coca-Cola ad campaign.

JetpackJesus
04-09-2019, 02:08 AM
Right on both counts.

CBS Sports: Tennessee coach Rick Barnes turns down UCLA offer, gets new deal with Volunteers (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/tennessee-coach-rick-barnes-turns-down-ucla-offer-gets-new-deal-with-volunteers/amp/)

He’s getting a raise from $3.25M to $5M a year, and will represent Orange in the next Coca-Cola ad campaign.

Any word on Vanilla?

brevity
04-09-2019, 02:41 AM
He’s getting a raise from $3.25M to $5M a year, and will represent Orange in the next Coca-Cola ad campaign.


Any word on Vanilla?

Should be obvious: Roy Williams loves his vanilla offense, and his Coca-Cola, and has shown all that charisma in those Infiniti commercials.

BD80
04-09-2019, 08:10 AM
Should be obvious: Roy Williams loves his vanilla offense, and his Coca-Cola, and has shown all that charisma in those Infiniti commercials.

Vanilla is a flavor, ol roy has no taste.

HereBeforeCoachK
04-09-2019, 08:11 AM
Any word on Vanilla?

Can't get much more vanilla than Bennett......

DangerDevil
04-09-2019, 10:14 AM
An interesting article that provides some more insight into the St John’s coaching dynamic/power struggle.

Before Mike Cragg was there Mullin apparently reported to the University President, Mullin supposedly went over Cragg and asked the president for an extension and was rebuffed. Further adding to the Duke connection the article speculated that Andy Borman was pushed as the replacement for Matt Abdelmassih. The article notes that Borman was a former Duke player but doesn’t mention that he is also Coach K’s nephew. Mullin apparently was not in favor of hiring Borman and wanted to hire someone with previous major Division I coaching experience.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jppelzman/2019/04/09/a-hire-chris-mullin-was-not-allowed-to-make-helped-set-the-stage-for-his-departure/#2fe8d09e5b56

sagegrouse
04-09-2019, 10:25 AM
Can't get much more vanilla than Bennett...

You guys are dissing my favorite ice cream. In fact, because of embarrassment, I often disguise my like for vanilla in public settings by ordering buttered pecan, which tastes a lot like vanilla, but "sounds" different.

jimsumner
04-09-2019, 12:07 PM
An interesting article that provides some more insight into the St John’s coaching dynamic/power struggle.

Before Mike Cragg was there Mullin apparently reported to the University President, Mullin supposedly went over Cragg and asked the president for an extension and was rebuffed. Further adding to the Duke connection the article speculated that Andy Borman was pushed as the replacement for Matt Abdelmassih. The article notes that Borman was a former Duke player but doesn’t mention that he is also Coach K’s nephew. Mullin apparently was not in favor of hiring Borman and wanted to hire someone with previous major Division I coaching experience.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jppelzman/2019/04/09/a-hire-chris-mullin-was-not-allowed-to-make-helped-set-the-stage-for-his-departure/#2fe8d09e5b56

Mullin go bye-bye?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/04/09/chris-mullin-reportedly-will-step-down-st-johns-basketball-coach/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4a665d2e6be0

Pghdukie
04-09-2019, 12:19 PM
Goodman reporting UCLA to hire Cronin.

richardjackson199
04-09-2019, 01:21 PM
Goodman reporting UCLA to hire Cronin.

Yep:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26478769/cronin-leaves-cincinnati-take-ucla-job

freshmanjs
04-09-2019, 01:23 PM
Well at least he wouldn’t have to play his brother every year since UConn was banished to the A10.

UCONN is in the AAC, not the A10.

pfrduke
04-09-2019, 01:24 PM
Goodman reporting UCLA to hire Cronin.


Yep:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26478769/cronin-leaves-cincinnati-take-ucla-job

Fascinating hire. Cronin does not exactly have a L.A. personality. I would not put a lot of money on this being a long-term solution for UCLA.

Acymetric
04-09-2019, 01:30 PM
Fascinating hire. Cronin does not exactly have a L.A. personality. I would not put a lot of money on this being a long-term solution for UCLA.

If you ask me, there is no long-term solution for UCLA. Their glory days are behind them and never coming back.

Of course, nobody asked me.

freshmanjs
04-09-2019, 01:35 PM
If you ask me, there is no long-term solution for UCLA. Their glory days are behind them and never coming back.

Of course, nobody asked me.

That seems a bit extreme. It was not that long ago that they went to 3 consecutive final fours. Tony Bennett has shown that the right coach can create glory days pretty quickly. Of course, this coaching search does not indicate that things are heading in a good direction right now.

EKU1969
04-09-2019, 01:49 PM
Personally, I like JD King’s idea of Becky Hammon to UCLA...now that would have been out of the box!

duke74
04-09-2019, 02:10 PM
An interesting article that provides some more insight into the St John’s coaching dynamic/power struggle.

Before Mike Cragg was there Mullin apparently reported to the University President, Mullin supposedly went over Cragg and asked the president for an extension and was rebuffed. Further adding to the Duke connection the article speculated that Andy Borman was pushed as the replacement for Matt Abdelmassih. The article notes that Borman was a former Duke player but doesn’t mention that he is also Coach K’s nephew. Mullin apparently was not in favor of hiring Borman and wanted to hire someone with previous major Division I coaching experience.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jppelzman/2019/04/09/a-hire-chris-mullin-was-not-allowed-to-make-helped-set-the-stage-for-his-departure/#2fe8d09e5b56

As a prof here at SJ, I wouldn't at all mind this "red" campus turning "blue." (Not a political comment!) Love the culture that would emerge.

HereBeforeCoachK
04-09-2019, 02:12 PM
That seems a bit extreme. It was not that long ago that they went to 3 consecutive final fours. Tony Bennett has shown that the right coach can create glory days pretty quickly. Of course, this coaching search does not indicate that things are heading in a good direction right now.

yeah, FFs in 06,07 and 08....before that 95......before that, 76, kind of the end of the run. So in 43 years, 4 FFs. Not bad, but not elite by any means for last two generations.

freshmanjs
04-09-2019, 02:20 PM
yeah, FFs in 06,07 and 08...before that 95...before that, 76, kind of the end of the run. So in 43 years, 4 FFs. Not bad, but not elite by any means for last two generations.

You forgot 1980 (or excluded because of the violations). I Didn't say they were elite looking backwards. The claim was that glory days would never return. I don't see any reason they can't in the future.