Duke Basketball Crazy/Insane/Interesting Statistics/Records

[DukeBlue666s]

I’m not sure if starting a thread about this is the way to go, so feel free to move elsewhere if needed, Mods.

I’ve always enjoyed reading crazy stats when it comes to Duke Basketball. Examples: Non-Conference Home Winning Streaks, Years in a row ranked in the top 25, etc. I was reading an article written a couple years ago about impressive Coach K stats. One of them was back when Coach K had 903 wins, Duke’s average margin of victory in all those games was 18.2 points. I find that HIGHLY impressive.

I can’t find a single website out there that states crazy stats like the one I just stated, on one page. I don’t personally know our Non-Conference Home Winning Streak, but could we have a thread keeping track of things like this? I’m sure we have a few posters that keep facts like this in the back of their head.

I’d love to incorporate even recruiting, also. I read the other day that Duke has brought in one of the top 3 High Schoolers in like 8 years in a row, or something close to that.

If this thread is allowed to stick, could we keep track of insane facts regarding our beloved basketball team? I just can’t find a website anywhere (even Wiki) that keeps track of random tidbits like these.

[DU82]

Our streak of games with at least one three made is pretty impressive.

[DukeBlue666s]

Our streak of games with at least one three made is pretty impressive.

Yeah, it’s things like this that I’d LOVE to be able to find out and know. Something like that didn’t even pop in my head but I’m sure if everyone chimes in, we could all learn some very interesting stuff!!

[-jk]

I like the consecutive seasons with at least 10 wins Jim Sumner referenced. Not too gaudy, but not as easy to maintain as some folks think!

-jk

[devildeac]

I like the consecutive seasons with at least 10 wins Jim Sumner referenced. Not too gaudy, but not as easy to maintain as some folks think!

-jk

Yea, the numbers 8 and 20 are always a bit amusing to recall.

9F.

[DukeBlue666s]

Yea, the numbers 8 and 20 are always a bit amusing to recall.

9F.

I prefer the numbers 82 and 50. 😬

[DukeBlue666s]

Our streak of games with at least one three made is pretty impressive.

Do we know what the streak is with at least one 3 made?


I like the consecutive seasons with at least 10 wins Jim Sumner referenced. Not too gaudy, but not as easy to maintain as some folks think!

-jk

What is the number for consecutive seasons with at least 10 wins? I, somehow, managed to miss that post from our beloved Sumner.

[sagegrouse]

Do we know what the streak is with at least one 3 made?



What is the number for consecutive seasons with at least 10 wins? I, somehow, managed to miss that post from our beloved Sumner.

You need to bookmark this page (http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/seasons/).

If I read the table correctly, the last season without ten wins is 1927-28, when Duke won only five games, although our record was a winning 9-5. So it seems like 91 years. (But maybe I read the table wrong.)

[DukeBlue666s]

Duke’s Non-Conference Home Winning Streak is at 146 games, I believe, dating back to 02-26-2000 against St. John’s heart breaking one-point loss (83-82).

If I recall correctly, I’m pretty sure we had an impressive streak in the same category prior to that game also. I can’t locate that exact number anywhere though.

Another impressive stat ... Duke has played 267 games ranked as the #1 team in the country (Most in College Basketball History) with a record of 231-36 in those games.

[DukeBlue666s]

You need to bookmark this page (http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/seasons/).

If I read the table correctly, the last season without ten wins is 1927-28, when Duke won only five games, although our record was a winning 9-5. So it seems like 91 years. (But maybe I read the table wrong.)

I’m getting the same answer as you. Now THAT is a cool fact!!

[Kedsy]

You need to bookmark this page (http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/seasons/).

If I read the table correctly, the last season without ten wins is 1927-28, when Duke won only five games, although our record was a winning 9-5. So it seems like 91 years. (But maybe I read the table wrong.)

Since we just won our 10th game of 2018-19, 91 years in a row is correct. That is the longest current streak in NCAA Division I. I don't know if it's an all-time NCAA record, but pretty good chance that it is.

[Kedsy]

Marques Bolden had 2 blocks in 6 minutes against Texas Tech, raising his season-long block percentage to 12.9%, a pace that far exceeds Shelden Williams's Duke record of 10.6%.

Cam Reddish had 3 steals in 20 minutes against Texas Tech, raising his season-long steals percentage to 4.72%, a pace beyond that of Wojo's Duke record of 4.54%.

Duke is currently #1 in the nation in steal% (15.0%).
Duke is currently #2 in the nation in block% (19.4%), behind only Auburn.
Duke is currently #5 in the nation in OR% (40.1%).
Duke is currently #6 in the nation in opposing eFG% (41.9%).

[DU82]

Our streak of games with at least one three made is pretty impressive.

Please accept my apologies for bringing this one up. About halfway through last night's second half, I was beginning to regret this post!

[SlapTheFloor]

Duke’s Non-Conference Home Winning Streak is at 146 games, I believe, dating back to 02-26-2000 against St. John’s heart breaking one-point loss (83-82).

If I recall correctly, I’m pretty sure we had an impressive streak in the same category prior to that game also. I can’t locate that exact number anywhere though.

Another impressive stat ... Duke has played 267 games ranked as the #1 team in the country (Most in College Basketball History) with a record of 231-36 in those games.

The streak prior to the St. John's game wouldn't have been comparable to the current one. Duke lost to Michigan in Cameron in 1996.

[jimsumner]

The streak prior to the St. John's game wouldn't have been comparable to the current one. Duke lost to Michigan in Cameron in 1996.


Duke went from Louisville on January 12, 1983 to Illinois on December 2, 1995 without home loss to a non-ACC team. I'm reasonably certain that is second place on the Duke list.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Marques Bolden had 2 blocks in 6 minutes against Texas Tech, raising his season-long block percentage to 12.9%, a pace that far exceeds Shelden Williams's Duke record of 10.6%.

Cam Reddish had 3 steals in 20 minutes against Texas Tech, raising his season-long steals percentage to 4.72%, a pace beyond that of Wojo's Duke record of 4.54%.

Duke is currently #1 in the nation in steal% (15.0%).
Duke is currently #2 in the nation in block% (19.4%), behind only Auburn.
Duke is currently #5 in the nation in OR% (40.1%).
Duke is currently #6 in the nation in opposing eFG% (41.9%).

Swatting away a bunch of shots will certainly help your oppo FG %

[Tripping William]

Duke went from Louisville on January 12, 1983 to Illinois on December 2, 1995 without home loss to a non-ACC team. I'm reasonably certain that is second place on the Duke list.

Yup. And I was in the building 12/2/95. *sigh*

[OldPhiKap]

Yup. And I was in the building 12/2/95. *sigh*

You. Let. The whole team. Down.



;-)

[Tripping William]

You. Let. The whole team. Down.



;-)

Nah. I blame Greg Newton ...... :p

[Blue KevIL]

Duke went from Louisville on January 12, 1983 to Illinois on December 2, 1995 without home loss to a non-ACC team. I'm reasonably certain that is second place on the Duke list.

After the loss to Louisville, Duke's Home Record against Non-Conference Opponents under Coach K stood at 17-5.

The next Non-Conference Home Loss to Illinois (75-65) happened after 95 consecutive wins.

Since the Illinois loss, Duke has won 178 out of 180 Non-Conference Home Games.
The only two losses were by 1 point each: December 8, 1996 to #7 Michigan 62-61 & February 26, 2000 to St. John's 83-82 in OT.

So, since the Louisville loss, Duke is 273-3 at Home against Non-Conference Opponents.
Under Coach K, Duke is 290-8.

Not too shabby.

[Lauderdevil]

Since we just won our 10th game of 2018-19, 91 years in a row is correct. That is the longest current streak in NCAA Division I. I don't know if it's an all-time NCAA record, but pretty good chance that it is.

In all those years, maybe the most dramatic streak-saving game was the 1982 final home game against Clemson. Duke was sitting at 9 wins, with just second-ranked UNC and a highly-seeded opponent in the ACC tournament afterwards — so the team knew this was their best chance to preserve what was then a 53-year streak. (By the way, 53 years was the most in college basketball at the time, so today’s 91 years blows away any record.)

Duke trailed by 8 with under eight minutes to go, but came storming back to tie it in regulation and win in triple overtime, 73-72, to keep the streak alive. Vince Taylor hit the game-winning shot and then forced a travel in the final seconds of the third overtime to secure the win. His 35 points on his senior day was his career high; afterwards he called it his greatest win ever. (And this is a guy who played in the game with Gene Banks’ miracle shot to take Carolina to overtime the year before, not to mention the 1979 game in which Duke shut out Carolina in the first half.)

And the game had another distinction: Coach K — in his second year as Duke’s coach — notched his 100th career coaching win. Duke ended up 10-17 that year, and had another close call the following year with an 11-17 record. Other than the 13-win 1994-95 season when Coach K was out, and the following year with 18 wins, no season since has seen fewer than 23 wins.

[hallcity]

In all those years, maybe the most dramatic streak-saving game was the 1982 final home game against Clemson. Duke was sitting at 9 wins, with just second-ranked UNC and a highly-seeded opponent in the ACC tournament afterwards — so the team knew this was their best chance to preserve what was then a 53-year streak. (By the way, 53 years was the most in college basketball at the time, so today’s 91 years blows away any record.)

Duke trailed by 8 with under eight minutes to go, but came storming back to tie it in regulation and win in triple overtime, 73-72, to keep the streak alive. Vince Taylor hit the game-winning shot and then forced a travel in the final seconds of the third overtime to secure the win. His 35 points on his senior day was his career high; afterwards he called it his greatest win ever. (And this is a guy who played in the game with Gene Banks’ miracle shot to take Carolina to overtime the year before, not to mention the 1979 game in which Duke shut out Carolina in the first half.)

And the game had another distinction: Coach K — in his second year as Duke’s coach — notched his 100th career coaching win. Duke ended up 10-17 that year, and had another close call the following year with an 11-17 record. Other than the 13-win 1994-95 season when Coach K was out, and the following year with 18 wins, no season since has seen fewer than 23 wins.

It didn’t save a streak but nothing can top the triple OT victory over the Tar Holes on senior day in 1968.
https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2000/1/30/4951780/a-duke-unc-classic-fred-lind-68

[Kedsy]

(By the way, 53 years was the most in college basketball at the time, so today’s 91 years blows away any record.)

Maybe, maybe not. These days it's not so hard to win 10 games in a 35 game college basketball season. For example, if whatever team was behind Duke in 1982 had double-figure wins in 48 straight years (making that number up) and if they'd won 10+ every year since, then they'd have 86 straight years now, meaning Duke's 91 may not be blowing away anything.

But it's still cool.

FWIW, my vague recollection is in 1982 (my senior year; I attended the Clemson game you mention) it was Louisville with the second-longest streak. And they have won 10+ games every year since, except they had (I believe) three seasons in which all the wins were vacated. I don't remember who was third or how long their streak was.

[camion]

After the loss to Louisville, Duke's Home Record against Non-Conference Opponents under Coach K stood at 17-5.

The next Non-Conference Home Loss to Illinois (75-65) happened after 95 consecutive wins.

Since the Illinois loss, Duke has won 178 out of 180 Non-Conference Home Games.
The only two losses were by 1 point each: December 8, 1996 to #7 Michigan 62-61 & February 26, 2000 to St. John's 83-82 in OT.

So, since the Louisville loss, Duke is 273-3 at Home against Non-Conference Opponents.
Under Coach K, Duke is 290-8.

Harrison Ford's a quarter Jewish.*
Not too shabby.


*Edited to increase seasonal relevance. :)

[DukeBlue666s]

As far as assist-to-turnover ratios, Tre is putting up numbers not seen yet in Dukes History ...

... 67 assist to 13 turnovers for a 5.16:1 ratio. I’m aware this may come down to earth at some point but I believe the Duke record is 3.03:1 held by Wojo himself in 1997.

Anyone, other than myself, think Tre will be able to break that record? I seriously doubt he stays where he is, but I think he has a chance to break the ACC record which is 4.11:1 held by James Robinson (Pitt in 2014).

[MarkD83]

Maybe, maybe not. These days it's not so hard to win 10 games in a 35 game college basketball season.
yet some team had an 8 20 record

[gam7]

You can find this stuff in the Game Notes through goduke.com.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

yet some team had an 8 20 record

...they were the league door Matt that year......

[Kedsy]

As far as assist-to-turnover ratios, Tre is putting up numbers not seen yet in Dukes History ...

... 67 assist to 13 turnovers for a 5.16:1 ratio. I’m aware this may come down to earth at some point but I believe the Duke record is 3.03:1 held by Wojo himself in 1997.

Anyone, other than myself, think Tre will be able to break that record? I seriously doubt he stays where he is, but I think he has a chance to break the ACC record which is 4.11:1 held by James Robinson (Pitt in 2014).

It's possible I missed one or two (though I don't think so), but here are all the Duke players I could find in the Coach K era who in their first 12 games of the season averaged 4+ apg and 2:1 a/to or better:

SELECTED DUKE PG A/TO RATIOS AFTER 12 GAMES


Year Player 12gmA 12gmTO 12 a/to season a/to
2010 Jon Scheyer 77 14 5.50 2.98
2019 Tre Jones 67 13 5.15 ???
2018 Trevon Duval 80 23 3.48 2.03
1989 Quin Snyder 88 26 3.38 2.17
1997 Wojo 77 23 3.35 3.03
1986 Tom Amaker 82 26 3.15 2.51
2015 Tyus Jones 66 22 3.00 2.86
2014 Quinn Cook 78 26 3.00 2.68
2018 Grayson Allen 53 19 2.79 2.18
2003 Chris Duhon 98 36 2.72 2.16
1992 Bob Hurley 97 36 2.69 2.17
2001 Chris Duhon 63 24 2.63 2.85
1999 Will Avery 80 31 2.58 1.92
2004 Chris Duhon 76 30 2.53 2.16
1985 Tom Amaker 80 32 2.50 2.88
2002 Chris Duhon 76 31 2.45 2.26
1993 Bob Hurley 98 41 2.39 2.43
2013 Quinn Cook 71 30 2.37 2.41
1998 Wojo 64 28 2.29 2.56


This table tells me two things: (1) Tre Jones is having a great season so far (2nd best a/to ratio over first 12 games); and (b) it seems unlikely Tre's a/to will be above 3.0 by the end of the season.

Obviously only time will tell.

[Kedsy]

Marques Bolden had 2 blocks in 6 minutes against Texas Tech, raising his season-long block percentage to 12.9%, a pace that far exceeds Shelden Williams's Duke record of 10.6%.

Cam Reddish had 3 steals in 20 minutes against Texas Tech, raising his season-long steals percentage to 4.72%, a pace beyond that of Wojo's Duke record of 4.54%.

After the Clemson game:

Marques's block percentage is now 12.3%, still well ahead of Shelden Williams's Duke record of 10.6%.

Cam's steal percentage increased to 4.8%, obviously still ahead of Wojo's Duke record of 4.5%.

[Kedsy]

... 67 assist to 13 turnovers for a 5.16:1 ratio. I’m aware this may come down to earth at some point but I believe the Duke record is 3.03:1 held by Wojo himself in 1997.

FWIW, Tre's a/to ratio is now 5.85:1, after 9 assists vs. 0 turnovers against Clemson.

[Kedsy]

Against Clemson, Javin DeLaurier made his 15th consecutive field goal. The Duke record is 20 set by Alaa Abdelnaby in 1988-89. (Ryan Kelly is 2nd, with 18 straight in 2010-11.)

He doesn't shoot from very far out, but Javin has only missed 3 shots all year and is shooting 90.0% from the field.

[slower]

The NBA season record for PER is Wilt Chamberlain's 31.82 rating.

The NCAA record is John Brown's (High Point) 36.93.

Zion is currently sitting at a ridiculous PER of 42.10.

[chrishoke]

The NBA season record for PER is Wilt Chamberlain's 31.82 rating.

The NCAA record is John Brown's (High Point) 36.93.

Zion is currently sitting at a ridiculous PER of 42.10.

Link(s)?

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Against Clemson, Javin DeLaurier made his 15th consecutive field goal. The Duke record is 20 set by Alaa Abdelnaby in 1988-89. (Ryan Kelly is 2nd, with 18 straight in 2010-11.)

He doesn't shoot from very far out, but Javin has only missed 3 shots all year and is shooting 90.0% from the field.

Javin's problem is not holding onto rebounds/passes he gets his hands on.....

[Kedsy]

Javin's problem is not holding onto rebounds/passes he gets his hands on...

Maybe. My recollection is Javin dropped one pass last night, and (though obviously I'd have preferred he held onto it) it wasn't really that good a pass. My guess is he would have caught either a bounce pass or a pass up at shoulder level or above, rather than a pass thrown at his hip and a little behind him.

His defensive rebounding has been slipping in the past several games, but it hasn't struck me that it has been because the ball is bouncing out of his hands. But I don't have any evidence to back that up, either.

[slower]

Link(s)?
http://insider.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/hollinger/statistics (current)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/leaders/per-player-season.html (NCAA all-time season records)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season.html (NBA/ABA all-time season records)



My bad. Zion's PER is now 43.51. Insane.

[chrishoke]

http://insider.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/hollinger/statistics (current)

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/leaders/per-player-season.html (NCAA all-time season records)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season.html (NBA/ABA all-time season records)



My bad. Zion's PER is now 43.51. Insane.


Wow. Thanks. Very cool.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Maybe. My recollection is Javin dropped one pass last night, and (though obviously I'd have preferred he held onto it) it wasn't really that good a pass. My guess is he would have caught either a bounce pass or a pass up at shoulder level or above, rather than a pass thrown at his hip and a little behind him.

His defensive rebounding has been slipping in the past several games, but it hasn't struck me that it has been because the ball is bouncing out of his hands. But I don't have any evidence to back that up, either.

The only evidence I have...and it's not really evidence per se, is that many of us on the live chat during games notice this and comment on it often. I don't know if there's ever stats kept on this really. He just reminds me of Tony Lang in this sense.

By the same token, the consensus on the game chat, to my eye, is that Zion and Jack have amazing hands on rebounds and receptions and loose balls. Hand control, good and bad, has always been something I've noticed...back to the days of Adrian Dantley, who has amazing hands. A lot of it is mental and concentration. Appearing to get a rebound, only to lose it, often leads to easy hoop other way, because your teammates have started the other way many times....

[slower]

The only evidence I have...and it's not really evidence per se, is that many of us on the live chat during games notice this and comment on it often. I don't know if there's ever stats kept on this really. He just reminds me of Tony Lang in this sense.

By the same token, the consensus on the game chat, to my eye, is that Zion and Jack have amazing hands on rebounds and receptions and loose balls. Hand control, good and bad, has always been something I've noticed...back to the days of Adrian Dantley, who has amazing hands. A lot of it is mental and concentration. Appearing to get a rebound, only to lose it, often leads to easy hoop other way, because your teammates have started the other way many times...

Agree that (by my eye test) Javin's hands are less than stellar.

[Native]

As far as assist-to-turnover ratios, Tre is putting up numbers not seen yet in Dukes History ...

DukeMBB posted this (https://twitter.com/DukeMBB/status/1081757653335007233?s=19) on Twitter during the Clemson game... my jaw hit the floor.


Most CAREER 7+ Assist/0 TO Games (Duke History)
1. @Tre3Jones: 4
1. @steve_wojo: 4
1. @BobbyHurley11: 4
1. Tommy Amaker: 4

Tre Stones has played 13 games at Duke.

10 points, 9 dimes tonight.

#DukeMBBStats

In short: through 13 games of his freshman year, Tre has as many games with 7+ assists and 0 turnovers as Hurley, Wojo, and Amaker had in each of their CAREERS at Duke. This kid is something else.

[22JumpShots]

He was 3 for 3 tonight. Made a 4th basket but it was waved off...(I think maybe RJ fouled a player on the other team at the same time?)

That, I believe, gives him 20 straight made baskets and ties the ACC record for consecutive made shots. Great job Javin!

[wsb3]

The streak i have always found amazing, considering how hard an ACC road win can be. 23 straight ACC road wins. Ended at Virginia 2001.

[Kedsy]

He was 3 for 3 tonight. Made a 4th basket but it was waved off...(I think maybe RJ fouled a player on the other team at the same time?)

That, I believe, gives him 20 straight made baskets and ties the ACC record for consecutive made shots. Great job Javin!

Alas, it's only 18 straight made baskets for Javin. Which puts him in 2nd place on the Duke list (tied with Ryan Kelly), behind Alaa Abdelnaby with 20. Though I'm not sure whether or not Alaa holds the ACC record or just the Duke record.

[Kedsy]

FWIW, Tre's a/to ratio is now 5.85:1, after 9 assists vs. 0 turnovers against Clemson.

After Tre's 7 assist, 1 TO performance against Wake, his a/to ratio is now 5.93:1.

[johnb]

Against Clemson, Javin DeLaurier made his 15th consecutive field goal. The Duke record is 20 set by Alaa Abdelnaby in 1988-89. (Ryan Kelly is 2nd, with 18 straight in 2010-11.)



Since his 30 year record may soon be eclipsed, it’s also good to recall that Alaa was (and probably still is) funny. He was very talented but not the hardest working guy on the team (though he ramped things up for his senior year and became a 1st round draft choice). And he should be remembered for pointing out that Duke was academically hard and that the only way he’d get 5 A’s on his transcript would be to sign his name.

[cato]

It's possible I missed one or two (though I don't think so), but here are all the Duke players I could find in the Coach K era who in their first 12 games of the season averaged 4+ apg and 2:1 a/to or better:

SELECTED DUKE PG A/TO RATIOS AFTER 12 GAMES


Year Player 12gmA 12gmTO 12 a/to season a/to
2010 Jon Scheyer 77 14 5.50 2.98
2019 Tre Jones 67 13 5.15 ???
2018 Trevon Duval 80 23 3.48 2.03
1989 Quin Snyder 88 26 3.38 2.17
1997 Wojo 77 23 3.35 3.03
1986 Tom Amaker 82 26 3.15 2.51
2015 Tyus Jones 66 22 3.00 2.86
2014 Quinn Cook 78 26 3.00 2.68
2018 Grayson Allen 53 19 2.79 2.18
2003 Chris Duhon 98 36 2.72 2.16
1992 Bob Hurley 97 36 2.69 2.17
2001 Chris Duhon 63 24 2.63 2.85
1999 Will Avery 80 31 2.58 1.92
2004 Chris Duhon 76 30 2.53 2.16
1985 Tom Amaker 80 32 2.50 2.88
2002 Chris Duhon 76 31 2.45 2.26
1993 Bob Hurley 98 41 2.39 2.43
2013 Quinn Cook 71 30 2.37 2.41
1998 Wojo 64 28 2.29 2.56


This table tells me two things: (1) Tre Jones is having a great season so far (2nd best a/to ratio over first 12 games); and (b) it seems unlikely Tre's a/to will be above 3.0 by the end of the season.

Obviously only time will tell.


How do you conclude point (b)? There is only one person who has started off with such a high percentage, and Scheyer ended up very close to 3.0.

Wojo maintained his average nicely.

I see that averages declined generally, although there were plenty of people who improved over the year.

Long story, short: as you say, only time will tell. But these numbers tell me Tre has a good shot to end up over 3.0 and a shot at grabbing the record from Wojo.

[JayZee]

Since his 30 year record may soon be eclipsed, it’s also good to recall that Alaa was (and probably still is) funny. He was very talented but not the hardest working guy on the team (though he ramped things up for his senior year and became a 1st round draft choice). And he should be remembered for pointing out that Duke was academically hard and that the only way he’d get 5 A’s on his transcript would be to sign his name.

Alaa is still smart and funny and announces for the 76ers, I think. He's a good follow on Twitter.

[Kedsy]

Long story, short: as you say, only time will tell. But these numbers tell me Tre has a good shot to end up over 3.0 and a shot at grabbing the record from Wojo.

Maybe. His ratio has only gotten better in the two games since I made my (possibly ill-advised) pronouncement.

[slower]

http://insider.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/hollinger/statistics

[slower]

The NBA season record for PER is Wilt Chamberlain's 31.82 rating.

The NCAA record is John Brown's (High Point) 36.93.

Zion is currently sitting at a ridiculous PER of 42.10.

http://insider.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/hollinger/statistics

After the WF game, Zion's PER (Player Efficiency Rating) now sits at an insane 44.43.

Consider this: the gap between Zion and the 2nd-rated player is the same as the gap between the 2nd-rated player and the 30th-rated player.

Read that sentence again and think about it. ;)

[rsvman]

He was 3 for 3 tonight. Made a 4th basket but it was waved off...(I think maybe RJ fouled a player on the other team at the same time?)

That, I believe, gives him 20 straight made baskets and ties the ACC record for consecutive made shots. Great job Javin!

Do they not count a shot as a miss if a player is fouled on the attempt and then goes to the free throw line? Javin missed from the left baseline in the second half but was fouled, making the second of the two free throws he was awarded.

[Philadukie]

Do they not count a shot as a miss if a player is fouled on the attempt and then goes to the free throw line? Javin missed from the left baseline in the second half but was fouled, making the second of the two free throws he was awarded.

No, and that’s the fair way to record it. It’s not the shooting player’s fault if they get hacked and miss.

[throatybeard]

Wojo maintained his average nicely.



Wojo es mojo.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Do they not count a shot as a miss if a player is fouled on the attempt and then goes to the free throw line? Javin missed from the left baseline in the second half but was fouled, making the second of the two free throws he was awarded.

Not an official shot.....UNLESS...it goes in.....the "and one" situation. Then it goes down as 1 for 1 on the play.

[Kedsy]

After the Clemson game:

Marques's block percentage is now 12.3%, still well ahead of Shelden Williams's Duke record of 10.6%.

Cam's steal percentage increased to 4.8%, obviously still ahead of Wojo's Duke record of 4.5%.

After the Wake game:

Marques had two blocks in 20 minutes, lowering his block percentage to 12.0%, but still well ahead of Shelden Williams's Duke record of 10.6%.

Cam went steal-less, lowering his steal percentage to 4.5%, tied with Wojo's Duke record of 4.5%.

[Kedsy]

Alas, it's only 18 straight made baskets for Javin. Which puts him in 2nd place on the Duke list (tied with Ryan Kelly), behind Alaa Abdelnaby with 20. Though I'm not sure whether or not Alaa holds the ACC record or just the Duke record.

According to GoDuke.com, Alaa's 20 straight is an ACC record. GoDuke.com also said Javin had made 16 straight going into last night (which would give him 19 straight now), but I've checked the box scores, like 10 times, from several different sources, and he's only had 15 straight going into last night, thus giving him 18 straight now.

[fathippo]

According to GoDuke.com, Alaa's 20 straight is an ACC record. GoDuke.com also said Javin had made 16 straight going into last night (which would give him 19 straight now), but I've checked the box scores, like 10 times, from several different sources, and he's only had 15 straight going into last night, thus giving him 18 straight now.

Javin has gone 18 for 18 in this last six games. The previous game was Stetson. ESPN and the GoDuke play-by-play shows his last shot attempt in that game was missed. Not sure how they get 19.

[22JumpShots]

According to GoDuke.com, Alaa's 20 straight is an ACC record. GoDuke.com also said Javin had made 16 straight going into last night (which would give him 19 straight now), but I've checked the box scores, like 10 times, from several different sources, and he's only had 15 straight going into last night, thus giving him 18 straight now.

At some point last night the announcers kept talking about how he tied the record and even put up a banner on the bottom of the screen saying he had 20 straight... if the game ups to YT Ill search for the time stamp and link it.

Either they were wrong or I am mis-remembering - which both are likely so .... :p


Edit - Yup I mis-remembered....announcers were saying 19 (see pic) and then I was upset when he would have had 20 but they waved it off.

8937

[Billy Dat]

I am going to assume this record will never be broken.

Duke player, who played in at least one NBA game, with the most career Duke teammates to play in at least one regular season NBA game.

Grayson Allen - 15

Quinn Cook, Tyus Jones, Justise Winslow, Jah Okafor, Amile Jefferson, Marshall Plumlee, Semi Ojeleye, Luke Kennard, Brandon Ingram, Jayson Tatum, Harry Giles, Frank Jackson, Gary Trent Jr., Wendell Carter Jr., Marvin Bagley

Potential Addtions - 7
Chase Jeter, Javin Deslaurier, Marques Bolden, Jack White, Derryck Thornton, Trevon Duval, Alex O'Connell

[Indoor66]

I am going to assume this record will never be broken.

Duke player, who played in at least one NBA game, with the most career Duke teammates to play in at least one regular season NBA game.

Grayson Allen - 15

Quinn Cook, Tyus Jones, Justise Winslow, Jah Okafor, Amile Jefferson, Marshall Plumlee, Semi Ojeleye, Luke Kennard, Brandon Ingram, Jayson Tatum, Harry Giles, Frank Jackson, Gary Trent Jr., Wendell Carter Jr., Marvin Bagley

Potential Addtions - 7
Chase Jeter, Javin Deslaurier, Marques Bolden, Jack White, Derryck Thornton, Trevon Duval, Alex O'Connell

Maybe that says something about Grayson?

[Billy Dat]

Maybe that says something about Grayson?

It says that he was the rare NBA talent who stayed 4 years at a one-and-done school. Once the NBA gets rid of the age restriction, I think Grayson will own this record for all time. I didn't check any of the Cal-era Kentucky guys because I don't think there are any who stayed for 4 years and played in the NBA.

[jimsumner]

Amile Jefferson has played in an NBA game and played at Duke with 17 future NBA players.

Seth Curry, Mason Plumlee, Ryan Kelly

Jabari Parker, Rodney Hood, Andre Dawkins

Jahlil Okafor, Tyus Jones, Justise Winslow, Quinn Cook

Brandon Ingram, Marshall Plumlee

Luke Kennard, Jayson Tatum, Frank Jackson, Harry Giles

Grayson Allen

[Billy Dat]

Amile Jefferson has played in an NBA game and played at Duke with 17 future NBA players.

Seth Curry, Mason Plumlee, Ryan Kelly

Jabari Parker, Rodney Hood, Andre Dawkins

Jahlil Okafor, Tyus Jones, Justise Winslow, Quinn Cook

Brandon Ingram, Marshall Plumlee

Luke Kennard, Jayson Tatum, Frank Jackson, Harry Giles

Grayson Allen

Amile!!!!!!! I forgot about the redshirt!!!!!!! That makes me want to double check this against Alex Poythress of Kentucky for the most all time!!!

[timmy c]

Amile Jefferson has played in an NBA game and played at Duke with 17 future NBA players.

Seth Curry, Mason Plumlee, Ryan Kelly

Jabari Parker, Rodney Hood, Andre Dawkins

Jahlil Okafor, Tyus Jones, Justise Winslow, Quinn Cook

Brandon Ingram, Marshall Plumlee

Luke Kennard, Jayson Tatum, Frank Jackson, Harry Giles

Grayson Allen

Technically, Semi Ojeleye should count too.

[jimsumner]

Technically, Semi Ojeleye should count too.

Thanks. So that's 18. If any of Marques Bolden, Javin DeLaurier, Jack White, Chase Jeter, Derryck Thornton, Rasheed Sulaimon or Matt Jones ever makes it to the NBA, then that number goes even higher.

[Kedsy]

Since Shelden Williams left town 12+ years ago, Duke has had five players (300+ minutes) with season-long block% above 6.0%:

2018 Wendell Carter: 7.6%
2018 Marques Bolden: 7.5%
2007 Josh McRoberts: 6.9%
2009 Brian Zoubek: 6.5%
2010 Mason Plumlee: 6.1%

So far this season, the current Duke team has four guys with a block% above 6.0%:

Marques Bolden: 12.0%
Javin DeLaurier: 7.3%
Zion Williamson: 6.7%
Jack White: 6.2%


In that same 12 year span, Duke has had four players (300+ minutes) with a steal% above 3.0%:

2014 Tyler Thornton: 3.8%
2013 Tyler Thornton: 3.4%
2007 Dave McClure: 3.3%
2011 Seth Curry: 3.2%

So far this season, the current Duke team has five players with a steal% above 3.0%:

Cam Reddish: 4.5%
Zion Williamson: 4.4%
Alex O'Connell: 3.8%
Javin DeLaurier: 3.5%
Tre Jones: 3.2%


In Duke history (since 1987), only one Duke player has had both a block% above 6.0% and a steal% above 3.0%, and that player was Shavlik Randolph in 2005 (6.7% blk% and 3.2% stl%). So far this season, we have two: Zion and Javin.

[kAzE]

In Duke history (since 1987), only one Duke player has had both a block% above 6.0% and a steal% above 3.0%, and that player was Shavlik Randolph in 2005 (6.7% blk% and 3.2% stl%). So far this season, we have two: Zion and Javin.

This is unreal. Is it sustainable though? Might be difficult keep that up against the top offenses in the ACC.

[IrishDevil]

In Duke history (since 1987), only one Duke player has had both a block% above 6.0% and a steal% above 3.0%, and that player was Shavlik Randolph in 2005 (6.7% blk% and 3.2% stl%). So far this season, we have two: Zion and Javin.

Shav?! Wow. Raise your hand if you had that answer before Kedsy posted.

::sits on hands::

[Kedsy]

This is unreal. Is it sustainable though? Might be difficult keep that up against the top offenses in the ACC.

Yeah, who can say? On the other hand, there is some logic to the idea that a team filled with freshmen and guys with fewer than 550 career minutes prior to November (Marques had the most career minutes on the team coming in, with 530 followed by Javin with 505, Alex with 373, and Jack with 220) and a combined nine starts (Javin 5, Marques 3, Alex 1) would improve defensively over the course of the season. I guess we'll see.

[Jim3k]

You need to bookmark this page (http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/seasons/).

If I read the table correctly, the last season without ten wins is 1927-28, when Duke won only five games, although our record was a winning 9-5. So it seems like 91 years. (But maybe I read the table wrong.)

That page has been taken down and a new site put in its place.

http://goduke.com/DukeMBBStats

But the new site has its shortcomings and some new features. You decide what you like.

You can make comments to to Ryan Craig, GoDuke's director of digital strategy, if you like. ryan.craig@duke.edu

Or, I guess, we could post our own comments here on this thread.


(ryan.craig@duke.edu)

[HaveFunExpectToWin]

Dukembb had this tweet last night after the game:

🚀🚀🚀🚀
🚀
🚀
🚀
🚀🚀🚀🚀 ION

1st Duke player with 3⃣0⃣ points, 🔟 boards, 5⃣ dimes in Coach K era https://twitter.com/DukeMBB/status/1082835829658214400/photo/1

And I swear I saw another tweet that said he’s the first player since 1995 that had 25,10,5. Not sure why, but that sounded like Cherokee Parks, so I looked it up and the Chief had a great game against Carolina in February 1995. That was the 102-100 loss aka the Chapel Shot game.

[cato]

Dukembb had this tweet last night after the game:

🚀🚀🚀🚀
🚀
🚀
🚀
🚀🚀🚀🚀 ION

1st Duke player with 3⃣0⃣ points, 🔟 boards, 5⃣ dimes in Coach K era https://twitter.com/DukeMBB/status/1082835829658214400/photo/1

And I swear I saw another tweet that said he’s the first player since 1995 that had 25,10,5. Not sure why, but that sounded like Cherokee Parks, so I looked it up and the Chief had a great game against Carolina in February 1995. That was the 102-100 loss aka the Chapel Shot game.

I’ll admit it. One reason I loved seeing Zion’s 360 tomahawk in Cameron is that it knocked Jerry Stackhouse’s 1995 baseline dunk down a peg on the all-time Cameron dunk list.

[Tripping William]

I’ll admit it. One reason I loved seeing Zion’s 360 tomahawk in Cameron is that it knocked Rasheed Wallace’s 1995 baseline dunk down a peg on the all-time Cameron dunk list.

Stackhouse’s

[tbyers11]

Amile!!!!!!! I forgot about the redshirt!!!!!!! That makes me want to double check this against Alex Poythress of Kentucky for the most all time!!!

Intrigued by your Alex Poythress comment I checked his roster of teammates. Interestingly I found out that he only played 4 seasons at UK (including his injury shortened season). By my count he played with 16 teammates who played an NBA game

Archie Goodwin, Kyle Wiltjer, Nerlens Noel, Willie Cauley-Stein
Julius Randle, Andrew Harrison, Aaron Harrison, Dakari Johnson, James Young
Karl Anthony Towns, Trey Lyles, Devin Booker, Tyler Ulis
Jamal Murray, Skal Labissiere, Isaiah Briscoe

The only potential addition would be Charles Matthews (transferred from UK to MICH)

Doesn't look like he has a chance to top Amile's 18 NBA teammates

[HaveFunExpectToWin]

Doesn't look like he has a chance to top Amile's 18 NBA teammates

Amile may want to pivot to financial planning once his playing days are done.

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Stackhouse’s

yeah, that one.......

[Kedsy]

Since Shelden Williams left town 12+ years ago, Duke has had five players (300+ minutes) with season-long block% above 6.0%:

2018 Wendell Carter: 7.6%
2018 Marques Bolden: 7.5%
2007 Josh McRoberts: 6.9%
2009 Brian Zoubek: 6.5%
2010 Mason Plumlee: 6.1%

So far this season, the current Duke team has four guys with a block% above 6.0%:

Marques Bolden: 12.0%
Javin DeLaurier: 7.3%
Zion Williamson: 6.7%
Jack White: 6.2%


In that same 12 year span, Duke has had four players (300+ minutes) with a steal% above 3.0%:

2014 Tyler Thornton: 3.8%
2013 Tyler Thornton: 3.4%
2007 Dave McClure: 3.3%
2011 Seth Curry: 3.2%

So far this season, the current Duke team has five players with a steal% above 3.0%:

Cam Reddish: 4.5%
Zion Williamson: 4.4%
Alex O'Connell: 3.8%
Javin DeLaurier: 3.5%
Tre Jones: 3.2%


In Duke history (since 1987), only one Duke player has had both a block% above 6.0% and a steal% above 3.0%, and that player was Shavlik Randolph in 2005 (6.7% blk% and 3.2% stl%). So far this season, we have two: Zion and Javin.

After the FSU game, here are selected players' block% and steal%:

block%
-------
Marques: 11.7% (falling the last few games but still well ahead of Shelden Williams's Duke record of 10.6%)
Javin: 6.9%
Zion: 6.5%
Jack: 5.9%

steal%
-------
Cam: 4.3% (now behind Wojo's Duke record of 4.5%)
Zion: 4.2%
AOC: 3.7%
Javin: 3.5%
Tre: 3.3%


After Tre's 7 assist, 1 TO performance against Wake, his a/to ratio is now 5.93:1.

After Tre's 6 assist, 1 TO performance against FSU, his a/to ratio is still 5.93:1


After the WF game, Zion's PER (Player Efficiency Rating) now sits at an insane 44.43.

Zion's nation-leading PER is now 42.6.

Not as impressive but he's #8 in the country in oRating, at 134.4


According to GoDuke.com, Alaa's 20 straight is an ACC record. GoDuke.com also said Javin had made 16 straight going into last night (which would give him 19 straight now), but I've checked the box scores, like 10 times, from several different sources, and he's only had 15 straight going into last night, thus giving him 18 straight now.

Javin did not attempt a shot against FSU, so he still sits at 18 straight made FGs.

[Kedsy]

Zion also leads the nation in a couple other esoteric advanced stats:

BOX PLUS/MINUS (BPM): Zion currently leads the nation with 21.2

This stat is different from "real" plus/minus, but I don't know how it's calculated. It has both offensive and defensive components. The #2 player in the nation in this stat is Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke, with 18.8

To put Zion's performance into perspective, I went back 8 years (to 2010-11, as far back as I could find this stat) and assembled Duke's top 10 (at least 300 minutes):

2011 Kyrie Irving: 14.3
2018 Wendell Carter: 13.5
2013 Ryan Kelly: 11.3
2015 Marshall Plumlee: 11.3
2015 Jahlil Okafor: 10.9
2011 Ryan Kelly: 10.8
2013 Mason Plumlee: 10.7
2018 Marvin Bagley: 10.7
2011 Mason Plumlee: 10.5
2011 Javin DeLaurier: 10.5

So Zion's current BPM of 21.2 is basically 1.5x the best BPM in Duke's (recent) history.

Javin DeLaurier's current BPM of 14.4 would be on pace to set the Duke record, if not for his teammate Zion. Also not including their current teammates, Marques Bolden and Jack White would be tied for 3rd on the "all time" (9 year) list, with 12.5.


WIN SHARES PER 40: Zion leads the nation with 0.386

Another stat I don't know how to calculate. The #2 player in the nation in this stat is also Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke, with .329 (great but still significantly behind Zion).

I have this stat back 20 years (to 1999). Here are Duke's top 10 in the 20 year period:

1999 Elton Brand: .350 (this should put Zion's current .386 in some perspective)
2002 Carlos Boozer: .343
2004 Shelden Williams: .328
2011 Kyrie Irving: .320
2005 Shelden Williams: .305
2006 Shelden Williams: .305
2001 Shane Battier: .298
2009 Brian Zoubek: .279 (note this is NOT 2010 Brian Zoubek, who was good in this stat (.231) but not close to top 10)
2010 Jon Scheyer: .265
1999 Shane Battier: .263
1999 Corey Maggette: .263

Anyway, since Zion is leading the nation in these two stats and on pace to shatter the Duke records in both stats by a significant amount, I thought it might be of interest in this thread.

[Green Wave Dukie]

After the FSU game, ...

After Tre's 6 assist, 1 TO performance against FSU, his a/to ratio is still 5.93:1



Pretty amazing a guy can't raise his a/t ratio after delivering 6 assists and making only 1 turnover.

[niveklaen]

Zion also leads the nation in a couple other esoteric advanced stats:

BOX PLUS/MINUS (BPM): Zion currently leads the nation with 21.2

This stat is different from "real" plus/minus, but I don't know how it's calculated. It has both offensive and defensive components. The #2 player in the nation in this stat is Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke, with 18.8

To put Zion's performance into perspective, I went back 8 years (to 2010-11, as far back as I could find this stat) and assembled Duke's top 10 (at least 300 minutes):

2011 Kyrie Irving: 14.3
2018 Wendell Carter: 13.5
2013 Ryan Kelly: 11.3
2015 Marshall Plumlee: 11.3
2015 Jahlil Okafor: 10.9
2011 Ryan Kelly: 10.8
2013 Mason Plumlee: 10.7
2018 Marvin Bagley: 10.7
2011 Mason Plumlee: 10.5
2011 Javin DeLaurier: 10.5

So Zion's current BPM of 21.2 is basically 1.5x the best BPM in Duke's (recent) history.

Javin DeLaurier's current BPM of 14.4 would be on pace to set the Duke record, if not for his teammate Zion. Also not including their current teammates, Marques Bolden and Jack White would be tied for 3rd on the "all time" (9 year) list, with 12.5.


Anyway, since Zion is leading the nation in these two stats and on pace to shatter the Duke records in both stats by a significant amount, I thought it might be of interest in this thread.

2011 Javin?

[Kedsy]

2011 Javin?

Sorry, that should be 2018 Javin.

[JasonEvans]

2011 Javin?

Javin was secretrly given 5 years of redshirts buy the NCAA. Duke gets all the calls.

-Jason "Kedsy's stats on Zion are freaking unreal. It is entirely possible we are watching the greatest single season in Duke history... by a freshman... dwell on that for a moment" Evans

[Kedsy]

After the Syracuse game, here are selected players' block% and steal%:

block%
-------
Marques: 11.8% (still well ahead of Shelden Williams's Duke record of 10.6%)
Javin: 7.3%
Zion: 6.6%
Jack: 5.2%

steal%
-------
Cam: 4.3% (now behind Wojo's Duke record of 4.5%)
Zion: 3.9%
Tre: 3.7%
AOC: 3.6%
Javin: 3.4%

[Kedsy]

After Tre's 2 assist, 1 TO performance in five minutes against Syracuse, his a/to ratio is still 5.69:1

If Tre misses a lot of time, it will probably help him become Duke's single-season record holder in a/to ratio. Obviously, not the way we wanted it to happen, though.


ZION WATCH

Zion's nation-leading PER is now 41.6

Zion's nation-leading win shares per 40 is now .373

Zion's nation-leading box plus-minus is now 20.1

Zion is also #10 in the country in oRating, at 134.1


FWIW, Javin's BPM is now 13.8; Marques's BPM is now 11.8; and Jack's is now 10.9. If they all keep this up through the end of the season, the Duke single-season BPM top ten list would look like this:

2019 Zion Williamson: 20.1
2011 Kyrie Irving: 14.3
2019 Javin DeLaurier: 13.8
2018 Wendell Carter: 13.5
2019 Marques Bolden: 11.8
2013 Ryan Kelly: 11.3
2015 Marshall Plumlee: 11.3
2015 Jahlil Okafor: 10.9
2019 Jack White: 10.9
2011 Ryan Kelly: 10.8

[Kedsy]

Javin converted his only shot attempt against Syracuse, so he now has made 19 straight made FGs. That puts him in 2nd place on the Duke all-time list (Alaa Abdelnaby had 20 straight), and at least tied for 2nd place on the ACC all-time list (again behind Alaa's 20 straight).

[Tom B.]

The streak i have always found amazing, considering how hard an ACC road win can be. 23 straight ACC road wins. Ended at Virginia 2001.

I believe that streak was 24 games, not 23. Equivalent to three full seasons, dating back to a loss at UNC in 1998.

My other favorite insane Duke stat is Christian Laettner's FG and FT shooting percentages in NCAA Regional Final games (i.e., games in which a trip to the Final Four is on the line). Remember, he started in NCAA Regional Final games all four years he was at Duke.

His career FG% in NCAA Regional Final games is 91.2% (31 for 34).

His career FT% in NCAA Regional Final games is 91.9% (34 for 37).

Dude was just a bit clutch.

[Kedsy]

Javin converted his only shot attempt against Syracuse, so he now has made 19 straight made FGs. That puts him in 2nd place on the Duke all-time list (Alaa Abdelnaby had 20 straight), and at least tied for 2nd place on the ACC all-time list (again behind Alaa's 20 straight).

Javin finally missed a shot (in fact he missed two, his 5th and 6th misses of the season). Sadly, that left him one short of the ACC record (and the Duke record, too). Alas.

[johnb]

Javin finally missed a shot (in fact he missed two, his 5th and 6th misses of the season). Sadly, that left him one short of the ACC record (and the Duke record, too). Alas.

Or at least Alaa.

[jv001]

Javin finally missed a shot (in fact he missed two, his 5th and 6th misses of the season). Sadly, that left him one short of the ACC record (and the Duke record, too). Alas.

Javin, looked liked one of my golfing buddies stroking a 2 footer for a par. It looked like he let the pressure get to him. :cool:GoDuke!

[HereBeforeCoachK]

Javin, looked liked one of my golfing buddies stroking a 2 footer for a par. It looked like he let the pressure get to him. :cool:GoDuke!

Jav double bogeyed the next hole too

[Sir Stealth]

Would like to go back and see how many blocks Bolden actually had last night. Felt like he had more than the 4 credited to him in box score.

[Kedsy]

Would like to go back and see how many blocks Bolden actually had last night. Felt like he had more than the 4 credited to him in box score.

On that note, after the UVa and Pitt games, here are selected players' block% and steal%:

block%
-------
Marques: 11.0% (after Virginia, Marques's block% had dropped to 10.6%, but after those four blocks against Pitt, he's again ahead of Shelden Williams's Duke record of 10.6%)
Javin: 7.2%
Zion: 6.1%
Jack: 4.7%

steal%
-------
Cam: 4.1% (he's dropped further behind Wojo's Duke record of 4.5%)
Zion: 3.8%
Tre: 3.7%
AOC: 3.6%
Javin: 3.2%


ZION WATCH

Zion's nation-leading PER is now 41.8

Zion's nation-leading win shares per 40 is now .367

Zion's nation-leading box plus-minus is now 20.6

Zion is also #7 in the country in oRating, at 134.3

[CDu]

On that note, after the UVa and Pitt games, here are selected players' block% and steal%:

block%
-------
Marques: 11.0% (after Virginia, Marques's block% had dropped to 10.6%, but after those four blocks against Pitt, he's again ahead of Shelden Williams's Duke record of 10.6%)
Javin: 7.2%
Zion: 6.1%
Jack: 4.7%

steal%
-------
Cam: 4.1% (he's dropped further behind Wojo's Duke record of 4.5%)
Zion: 3.8%
Tre: 3.7%
AOC: 3.6%
Javin: 3.2%


ZION WATCH

Zion's nation-leading PER is now 41.8

Zion's nation-leading win shares per 40 is now .367

Zion's nation-leading box plus-minus is now 20.6

Zion is also #7 in the country in oRating, at 134.3

That last stat, taken in the context of how high his usage is, is just unbelievable. To be that efficient on that high a volume of possessions used is absurd.

[Kedsy]

After the Georgia Tech game, here are selected players' block% and steal%:

block%
-------
Marques: 10.8% (still ahead of Shelden Williams's Duke record of 10.6%)
Javin: 7.1%
Zion: 6.2%
Jack: 4.7%

steal%
-------
Cam: 4.3% (possibly catching up to Wojo's Duke record of 4.5%)
Zion: 3.8%
Tre: 3.6%
AOC: 3.5%
Javin: 3.2%


ZION WATCH

Zion's nation-leading PER is now 41.5

Zion's nation-leading win shares per 40 is now .365

Zion's nation-leading box plus-minus is now 20.4

Zion's oRating of 134.3 is now up to 5th in the country. His dRating of 82.4 is also 5th in the country.

[Kedsy]

After the Notre Dame game, Zion's nation-leading efficiency numbers got better:

Zion's nation-leading PER is now 42.4

Zion's nation-leading win shares per 40 is now .374

Zion's nation-leading box plus-minus is now 21.2

Zion's nation-leading eFG% is now 70.3%

Zion's oRating of 136.4 is now up to 3rd in the country. His dRating of 82.9 is 4th in the country.


This is not normal.

[UrinalCake]

A fun exercise while we wait for the next game... can you name this player whose statistical profile is somewhat similar to Zion's? He played three years in college, the following is from his junior year:


Minutes Points Rebounds FG% Assists Blocks Steals
Zion Williamson 28.4 22.0 9.2 68.1 2.4 2.0 2.0
Player X 32.0 24.1 14.0 61.5 1.5 5.2 1.0

[pfrduke]

A fun exercise while we wait for the next game... can you name this player whose statistical profile is somewhat similar to Zion's? He played three years in college, the following is from his junior year:


Minutes Points Rebounds FG% Assists Blocks Steals
Zion Williamson 28.4 22.0 9.2 68.1 2.4 2.0 2.0
Player X 32.0 24.1 14.0 61.5 1.5 5.2 1.0

Is that Shaq?

[robed deity]

Yes, and the fg pct edge is amazing.

[cato]

A fun exercise while we wait for the next game... can you name this player whose statistical profile is somewhat similar to Zion's? He played three years in college, the following is from his junior year:


Minutes Points Rebounds FG% Assists Blocks Steals
Zion Williamson 28.4 22.0 9.2 68.1 2.4 2.0 2.0
Player X 32.0 24.1 14.0 61.5 1.5 5.2 1.0

Got it on my third guess. I had to look it up, so I will keep it to myself for a bit in case someone wants to guess without research.

Very interesting comparison.

[COYS]

After the Notre Dame game, Zion's nation-leading efficiency numbers got better:

Zion's nation-leading PER is now 42.4

Zion's nation-leading win shares per 40 is now .374

Zion's nation-leading box plus-minus is now 21.2

Zion's nation-leading eFG% is now 70.3%

Zion's oRating of 136.4 is now up to 3rd in the country. His dRating of 82.9 is 4th in the country.


This is not normal.

It is unfathomable to me that he has continued to improve his efficiency even as we've gotten into the meat of ACC play. Coaches have gotten more tape on him to come up with better defensive schemes and he responds by somehow improving on his previous performances. It's ridiculous.

[UrinalCake]

Yeah, the other player was Shaq, as a junior at LSU. His rebounding and block numbers were insane as you’d expect, but Zion’s FG% is considerably higher which is amazing. I didn’t post FT% because I thought it would be a giveaway, but Shaq’s was even worse than Zion’s LOL.

Both of these guys have larger than life personalities and fill up the room with their smiles. I could totally see Zion also getting into other ventures off the court when his playing days are done. But hopefully no movies about genies 8-)

[camion]

It is unfathomable to me that he has continued to improve his efficiency even as we've gotten into the meat of ACC play. Coaches have gotten more tape on him to come up with better defensive schemes and he responds by somehow improving on his previous performances. It's ridiculous.

I seem to recall the sayers of nay opining that once Zion got out of the easy high school leagues and faced real competition in college his game would be exposed. His game has been exposed, but not in a negative way. I thought he would be good and I am still surprised.

8997

[Kedsy]

With 7 assists against 5 turnovers, Tre Jones's a/to ratio has shrunk to 4.65:1. Still record-setting pace, but this illustrates why it's so hard to keep this number up there in the stratosphere.

[Kedsy]

With 7 assists against 5 turnovers, Tre Jones's a/to ratio has shrunk to 4.65:1. Still record-setting pace, but this illustrates why it's so hard to keep this number up there in the stratosphere.

Tre's a/to ratio is now 3.49:1. The Duke record is 3.03:1, by Wojo in 1996-97.

Hopefully, Tre can keep his ratio good enough for the record, but it's not a lock. For example, if in his NCAAT games Tre gets 30 assists and 18 turnovers, which wouldn't seem to be out of the realm of possibility, his season a/to ratio would be exactly 3:1, and he would fail to set the record.

According to an earlier post in this thread (by DukeBlue666), the ACC record is 4.11:1 (Pitt's James Robinson in 2013-14). That would seem to be out of reach for Tre but I guess you never know.


Since Shelden Williams left town 12+ years ago, Duke has had five players (300+ minutes) with season-long block% above 6.0%:

2018 Wendell Carter: 7.6%
2018 Marques Bolden: 7.5%
2007 Josh McRoberts: 6.9%
2009 Brian Zoubek: 6.5%
2010 Mason Plumlee: 6.1%

So far this season, the current Duke team has four guys with a block% above 6.0%:

Marques Bolden: 12.0%
Javin DeLaurier: 7.3%
Zion Williamson: 6.7%
Jack White: 6.2%


At this point, Duke is down to two players with block% over 6%:

Marques Bolden: 8.8%
Javin DeLaurier: 7.4%
Zion Williamson: 5.9%
Jack White: 5.0%

Considering Duke has only had five such players in the previous 12 seasons, that's still pretty good. And Zion's pretty close to 6%, so he could be a third this season, which would be amazing.

Also interesting that the only players Duke has had since Shelden with block% over 7% have all achieved that mark in the last two seasons.

Marques would have to have a serious block party in the NCAAT to get even close to Shelden Williams's Duke block% record of 10.64%, set in 2003-04.



In that same 12 year span, Duke has had four players (300+ minutes) with a steal% above 3.0%:

2014 Tyler Thornton: 3.8%
2013 Tyler Thornton: 3.4%
2007 Dave McClure: 3.3%
2011 Seth Curry: 3.2%

So far this season, the current Duke team has five players with a steal% above 3.0%:

Cam Reddish: 4.5%
Zion Williamson: 4.4%
Alex O'Connell: 3.8%
Javin DeLaurier: 3.5%
Tre Jones: 3.2%


We're down to three rotation players with steal% at or over 3%, though that's still amazing considering only four Duke players total had done that in our previous 12 seasons. Also, Javin could get back over 3% if he feels a little felonious in the tournament. And though Jordan hasn't yet played enough minutes to count here, he only needs another 38 minutes and he's also over 3%.

Zion Williamson: 4.1%
(Jordan Goldwire: 3.5%; 262 minutes)
Tre Jones: 3.3%
Cam Reddish: 3.0%
Javin DeLaurier: 2.9%
Alex O'Connell: 2.3%

Zion would have to get pretty steal-happy in the NCAAT to break Wojo's Duke season record of 4.54%.


In Duke history (since 1987), only one Duke player has had both a block% above 6.0% and a steal% above 3.0%, and that player was Shavlik Randolph in 2005 (6.7% blk% and 3.2% stl%). So far this season, we have two: Zion and Javin.

Right now, nobody on our team would join Shav in this exclusive club. But Zion's block% is 5.9% (along with steal% of 4.1%) and Javin's steal% is 2.9% (along with a block% of 7.4%), so both of them are still in the running.

For another interesting combination stat, going back through 2010 no Duke player has had both an assist% over 15% and a defensive rebounding percentage over 15%. This year, two Duke players are doing it:

Zion Williamson: 18.6% DR%; 15.7% asst%
RJ Barrett: 17.2% DR%; 22.9% asst%

RJ's numbers in this regard are especially impressive.


ZION WATCH

PER

According to an earlier post in this thread (by Slower), the NCAA season record for best PER is 36.93 (it's worth noting that the source for this record (and for the others I mention in this thread) doesn't always go back so far; in the case of PER, the record only goes back to 2009-10). Zion is on pace to crush this record, with his current PER of 42.0%.

Interestingly enough, Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke is also on pace to break the record. He's currently 2nd in the country with a PER of 37.2%. As you'll see as I list Zion's accomplishments, Brandon Clarke is having an amazing season of his own. If it weren't for Zion, people might be talking about Clarke having one of the all-time great seasons.

oRating

Zion is currently 2nd in the nation with an oRating of 134.9, which is especially amazing considering his usage rate of 28.2% (Brandon Clarke is 1st in oRating, at 140.1, with a usage of 23.4%). The NCAA record (back to 2009-10) is 145.96.

dRating

Zion is currently 4th in the nation with a dRating of 85.5, one of only two players rated in the top 10 of both oRating and dRating (the other is, you guessed it, Brandon Clarke, who is 3rd in dRating at 84.7) The NCAA record (going back to 2009-10) is 76.35.

eFG%

Zion leads the nation in eFG%, at 71.7% (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at 70.0%). The NCAA record is 80.0% (going back to 1985-86).

win shares per 40

Zion leads the nation in win shares per 40, at .350 (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at .340). The NCAA record (going back to 2009-10) is .3459, meaning Zion is on pace to break it. But I would note that Eltson Brand's win shares per 40 in 1998-99 was also .350.

box plus-minus

Zion leads the nation in BPM, at 21.1 (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at 18.6). The NCAA record (going back to 2010-11) is 18.67 (by Anthony Davis in 2011-12), meaning Zion is on pace to crush this one.

2-point FG%

Zion is #2 in the nation in two-point FG%, at 76.0% (Brandon Clarke is 9th, at 71.2%). The NCAA record (going back to 1992-93) is 80.0%.

FG%

Zion is #2 in the country in plain old vanilla FG%, at 69.3% (Brandon Clarke is 1st, at 69.4%). The NCAA record (going back to 1992-93) is 80.0%.

[Kedsy]

This year's Duke team has had 14 wins of 20 or more points, including 8 wins of 30 or more points (and possibly one or two more chances to pad these numbers). This bodes well for our NCAAT chances, as the following tables illustrate:

Duke teams with more than ten 20+ point wins:


Year 20+ pt AP rk NCAAT
1999 24 1 2
1998 20 3 8
2001 20 1 1
2002 18 1 16
2010 17 3 1
1989 17 9 4
2019 14 1 ???
2011 13 5 16
2004 13 6 4
2015 13 4 1
2000 12 1 16
1990 12 15 2
1991 12 6 1
2018 12 5 8
1988 11 5 4
1993 11 10 32
1992 11 1 1
1986 11 1 2


Of the previous 17 Duke teams under Coach K that had more than ten 20+ point wins, 13 of them (76.5%) made at least the Elite Eight (including 11 Final Four teams and all five champions). Of the 18 Duke teams under Coach K with ten or fewer 20+ wins, only two (11.1%) went as far as the Elite Eight (2013 and 1994, which of course went to the title game).

Duke teams with more than six 30+ point wins:


Year 30+ pt AP rk NCAAT
1999 15 1 2
1998 14 3 8
2001 12 1 1
2002 9 1 16
2000 9 1 16
1988 9 5 4
2019 8 1 ???
1990 8 15 2
2010 7 3 1
1989 7 9 4
1991 7 6 1
1993 7 10 32


Of the previous 11 Duke teams under Coach K with seven or more 30+ point wins, eight (72.7%) made at least the Elite Eight (including seven Final Four teams and three champions). Of the 24 Duke teams under Coach K with six or fewer 30+ point wins, seven (29.2%) made at least the Elite Eight (including five Final Four teams and two champions).

[El_Diablo]

It kind of got lost in the shuffle, but Zion also made 19 consecutive field goals between the NC State, first unc, and third Syracuse games. He missed his first attempt in the third unc game, however, leaving him one short of the ACC record held by Alaa Abdelnaby (and tying Javin’s streak earlier this season).

[Kedsy]

It kind of got lost in the shuffle, but Zion also made 19 consecutive field goals between the NC State, first unc, and third Syracuse games. He missed his first attempt in the third unc game, however, leaving him one short of the ACC record held by Alaa Abdelnaby (and tying Javin’s streak earlier this season).

How cool is that, that two players on the same team in the same season hit 19 in a row, something that hadn't been done by any ACC player in 19 years.

[BandAlum83]

Also interesting that the only players Duke has had since Shelden with block% over 7% have all achieved that mark in the last two seasons.



Might the coaching staff have changed defensive strategy the last few years, de-emphasizing taking charges (after the changes in the charge/block rules) and emphasizing rim protection?

[MChambers]

Might the coaching staff have changed defensive strategy the last few years, de-emphasizing taking charges (after the changes in the charge/block rules) and emphasizing rim protection?

If you're in the cylinder, if you go straight up to try to block the shot, you can avoid the foul, at least in theory, and most refs are calling this correctly. So it stands to reason that the block rate would be up.

[uh_no]

Tre's a/to ratio is now 3.49:1. The Duke record is 3.03:1, by Wojo in 1996-97.

Hopefully, Tre can keep his ratio good enough for the record, but it's not a lock. For example, if in his NCAAT games Tre gets 30 assists and 18 turnovers, which wouldn't seem to be out of the realm of possibility, his season a/to ratio would be exactly 3:1, and he would fail to set the record.

According to an earlier post in this thread (by DukeBlue666), the ACC record is 4.11:1 (Pitt's James Robinson in 2013-14). That would seem to be out of reach for Tre but I guess you never know.


I wonder if that number coming down is intentional....not that i mean he's intentionally committing turnovers, but intentionally being more aggressive at persuasion from the coaching staff?

Think of it this way: Javin made a gazillion straight, not because he's necessarily a superb finisher and shooter, but because he limited his attempts to ones where he knew he would be successful. Similarly, Tre had great numbers, but might that be because he's almost perfect with low-risk plays and choosing to not play as aggressive? This would seem to follow if his assist rate was inversely correlated ATO when scaled for defense....namely, he trades efficiency for volume (which is always a trade that has to be made to some degree), however, it would hard to be able to get enough data here given the constantly fluctuating personnel this year.

Further, it doesn't seem like as many of his turnovers are because of making aggressive passes, but seem to be because of his position...If you asked for my "theory" (other than just normal deviation), it would be that the staff has pushed him to be more aggressive, and then he is in a position where it is more easy for him to make turnovers. Regardless, I hope he can clean some of that up....since overall his passing is just so crisp.

[-jk]

Tre's a/to ratio is now 3.49:1. The Duke record is 3.03:1, by Wojo in 1996-97.

Hopefully, Tre can keep his ratio good enough for the record, but it's not a lock. For example, if in his NCAAT games Tre gets 30 assists and 18 turnovers, which wouldn't seem to be out of the realm of possibility, his season a/to ratio would be exactly 3:1, and he would fail to set the record.

According to an earlier post in this thread (by DukeBlue666), the ACC record is 4.11:1 (Pitt's James Robinson in 2013-14). That would seem to be out of reach for Tre but I guess you never know.



At this point, Duke is down to two players with block% over 6%:

Marques Bolden: 8.8%
Javin DeLaurier: 7.4%
Zion Williamson: 5.9%
Jack White: 5.0%

Considering Duke has only had five such players in the previous 12 seasons, that's still pretty good. And Zion's pretty close to 6%, so he could be a third this season, which would be amazing.

Also interesting that the only players Duke has had since Shelden with block% over 7% have all achieved that mark in the last two seasons.

Marques would have to have a serious block party in the NCAAT to get even close to Shelden Williams's Duke block% record of 10.64%, set in 2003-04.



We're down to three rotation players with steal% at or over 3%, though that's still amazing considering only four Duke players total had done that in our previous 12 seasons. Also, Javin could get back over 3% if he feels a little felonious in the tournament. And though Jordan hasn't yet played enough minutes to count here, he only needs another 38 minutes and he's also over 3%.

Zion Williamson: 4.1%
(Jordan Goldwire: 3.5%; 262 minutes)
Tre Jones: 3.3%
Cam Reddish: 3.0%
Javin DeLaurier: 2.9%
Alex O'Connell: 2.3%

Zion would have to get pretty steal-happy in the NCAAT to break Wojo's Duke season record of 4.54%.



Right now, nobody on our team would join Shav in this exclusive club. But Zion's block% is 5.9% (along with steal% of 4.1%) and Javin's steal% is 2.9% (along with a block% of 7.4%), so both of them are still in the running.

For another interesting combination stat, going back through 2010 no Duke player has had both an assist% over 15% and a defensive rebounding percentage over 15%. This year, two Duke players are doing it:

Zion Williamson: 18.6% DR%; 15.7% asst%
RJ Barrett: 17.2% DR%; 22.9% asst%

RJ's numbers in this regard are especially impressive.


ZION WATCH

PER

According to an earlier post in this thread (by Slower), the NCAA season record for best PER is 36.93 (it's worth noting that the source for this record (and for the others I mention in this thread) doesn't always go back so far; in the case of PER, the record only goes back to 2009-10). Zion is on pace to crush this record, with his current PER of 42.0%.

Interestingly enough, Gonzaga's Brandon Clarke is also on pace to break the record. He's currently 2nd in the country with a PER of 37.2%. As you'll see as I list Zion's accomplishments, Brandon Clarke is having an amazing season of his own. If it weren't for Zion, people might be talking about Clarke having one of the all-time great seasons.

oRating

Zion is currently 2nd in the nation with an oRating of 134.9, which is especially amazing considering his usage rate of 28.2% (Brandon Clarke is 1st in oRating, at 140.1, with a usage of 23.4%). The NCAA record (back to 2009-10) is 145.96.

dRating

Zion is currently 4th in the nation with a dRating of 85.5, one of only two players rated in the top 10 of both oRating and dRating (the other is, you guessed it, Brandon Clarke, who is 3rd in dRating at 84.7) The NCAA record (going back to 2009-10) is 76.35.

eFG%

Zion leads the nation in eFG%, at 71.7% (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at 70.0%). The NCAA record is 80.0% (going back to 1985-86).

win shares per 40

Zion leads the nation in win shares per 40, at .350 (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at .340). The NCAA record (going back to 2009-10) is .3459, meaning Zion is on pace to break it. But I would note that Eltson Brand's win shares per 40 in 1998-99 was also .350.

box plus-minus

Zion leads the nation in BPM, at 21.1 (Brandon Clarke is 2nd, at 18.6). The NCAA record (going back to 2010-11) is 18.67 (by Anthony Davis in 2011-12), meaning Zion is on pace to crush this one.

2-point FG%

Zion is #2 in the nation in two-point FG%, at 76.0% (Brandon Clarke is 9th, at 71.2%). The NCAA record (going back to 1992-93) is 80.0%.

FG%

Zion is #2 in the country in plain old vanilla FG%, at 69.3% (Brandon Clarke is 1st, at 69.4%). The NCAA record (going back to 1992-93) is 80.0%.

I suspect all of 'em would rather have one particular end of season thing to be remembered by...

-jk

[NSDukeFan]

I suspect all of 'em would rather have one particular end of season thing to be remembered by...

-jk

The box plus minus record back to 2010-2011?