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devildeac
11-18-2018, 01:50 PM
Yes, I really did that:o. Hopefully no one is confused with what sport this'll be:rolleyes:.

As someone else posted in the post-game thread (IIRC), it might be 2 teams in foul moods facing off and I'm Running with the Devil in this one.

budwom
11-18-2018, 01:57 PM
Points will be scored in this one...we just have to outscore them, and I think we can...It was good seeing Brittain Brown back, he'll be useful...

Reilly
11-18-2018, 01:57 PM
Seniors from the goduke.com roster ... maybe Cerenord comes back ... guess we'll get the list of which RJRs will be joining these guys as last game ... two bowl wins (and counting) for this group

5 Johnathan Lloyd WR 6-0 190 RSr. Graham, N.C. (Southern Alamance)
6 Nicodem Pierre RB 6-2 220 RSr. Miami, Fla. (Coral Reef)
63 Zach Harmon C/OG 6-3 290 RSr. Toledo, Ohio (Central Catholic)
70 Christian Harris OT 6-6 310 RSr. Suwanee, Ga. (Collins Hill)
80 Daniel Helm TE 6-4 255 RSr. Chatham, Ill. (Glenwood)
81 Davis Koppenhaver TE 6-4 240 RSr. Valencia, Calif. (Hart)
82 Chris Taylor WR 6-1 185 RSr. Miramar, Fla. (University)
84 Trevon Lee WR 6-1 180 RSr. Plantation, Fla. (Cardinal Gibbons)
92 Edgar Cerenord DT 6-1 305 RSr. Miami, Fla. (American Heritage)
94 Collin Wareham K 5-9 180 RSr. McLean, Va. (St. Albans [Washington, D.C.])
3 T.J. Rahming WR 5-10 170 Sr. Powder Springs, Ga. (McEachern)
9 Jeremy McDuffie S 5-11 175 Sr. Snellville, Ga. (Shiloh)
34 Ben Humphreys LB 6-2 225 Sr. Newport Beach, Calif. (Mater Dei)
45 Griffin Carter RB 5-11 190 Sr. San Marino, Calif. (Polytechnic)
54 Kevin Gehsmann LB 6-0 230 Sr. Greensboro, N.C. (Western Guilford)
68 Clark Bulleit C 6-3 285 Sr. Tampa, Fla. (Jesuit)

Reilly
11-18-2018, 02:01 PM
... Hopefully no one is confused ..

I don't recall us ever playing an ACC game this early (Big Four tournament games don't count). And why outside -- bigger crowd for holiday weekend?

devildeac
11-18-2018, 02:04 PM
I don't recall us ever playing an ACC game this early (Big Four tournament games don't count). And why outside -- bigger crowd for holiday weekend?

I should have known Reilly would be the first one to be confused with this title...

:p:rolleyes:

OldPhiKap
11-18-2018, 02:07 PM
Let’s send the seniors out with a win. LGD.

Reilly
11-18-2018, 02:38 PM
I should have known Reilly would be the first one to be confused with this title...

:p:rolleyes:

To be honest, I clicked on the thread expecting to find a pun or beer knowledge -- so, yeah, I'm confused.

Bob Green
11-18-2018, 02:38 PM
It was good seeing Brittain Brown back, he'll be useful...

Yes, it was very good to see Brown back in action. We need to be focused and ready to take care of business against 5-6 Wake Forest who will be playing for bowl eligibility. Role reversal from last season when we traveled to Wake needing a win.

A win means we finish at 4-4 in the ACC.

Reilly
11-18-2018, 02:43 PM
... A win means we finish at 4-4 in the ACC.

2013: 6-2
2014: 5-3
2015: 4-4

Would tie 2015 for 3rd best ACC record in Cut's 11 years at Duke.

fuse
11-18-2018, 02:55 PM
Duke gets more bowl revenue if Wake wins.

Not a reason to not send this senior class out with a win in their last game at Wally Wade.

Let’s Go Duke!

sagegrouse
11-18-2018, 03:56 PM
Well, I expect a tough game on Saturday. Wake is 5-6 and needs a win to earn a bowl bid. Moreover, Duke was lousy in the 2d half against Clemson, and I worry about carry over. The injuries on defense -- now Humphreys -- are mounting and troubling.

Maybe Giles-Harris will be back in action. It was good to see Brittain Brown on the field last night. And maybe all the pass drops last night for both teams means a problem with the football. :)

Daniel, who is likely playing his last home game, needs to be super sharp against the Deacs.

devildeac
11-18-2018, 04:06 PM
To be honest, I clicked on the thread expecting to find a pun or beer knowledge -- so, yeah, I'm confused.

Patience. Patience.

awhom111
11-18-2018, 04:07 PM
Here is the list of channels carrying the game:
http://theacc.com/sports/2018/11/15/FB_RSN-WF-DU-1124.aspx

The blackout map and more information will be available later in the week.

Faison1
11-18-2018, 05:17 PM
Seniors from the goduke.com roster ... maybe Cerenord comes back ... guess we'll get the list of which RJRs will be joining these guys as last game ... two bowl wins (and counting) for this group

5 Johnathan Lloyd WR 6-0 190 RSr. Graham, N.C. (Southern Alamance)
6 Nicodem Pierre RB 6-2 220 RSr. Miami, Fla. (Coral Reef)
63 Zach Harmon C/OG 6-3 290 RSr. Toledo, Ohio (Central Catholic)
70 Christian Harris OT 6-6 310 RSr. Suwanee, Ga. (Collins Hill)
80 Daniel Helm TE 6-4 255 RSr. Chatham, Ill. (Glenwood)
81 Davis Koppenhaver TE 6-4 240 RSr. Valencia, Calif. (Hart)
82 Chris Taylor WR 6-1 185 RSr. Miramar, Fla. (University)
84 Trevon Lee WR 6-1 180 RSr. Plantation, Fla. (Cardinal Gibbons)
92 Edgar Cerenord DT 6-1 305 RSr. Miami, Fla. (American Heritage)
94 Collin Wareham K 5-9 180 RSr. McLean, Va. (St. Albans [Washington, D.C.])
3 T.J. Rahming WR 5-10 170 Sr. Powder Springs, Ga. (McEachern)
9 Jeremy McDuffie S 5-11 175 Sr. Snellville, Ga. (Shiloh)
34 Ben Humphreys LB 6-2 225 Sr. Newport Beach, Calif. (Mater Dei)
45 Griffin Carter RB 5-11 190 Sr. San Marino, Calif. (Polytechnic)
54 Kevin Gehsmann LB 6-0 230 Sr. Greensboro, N.C. (Western Guilford)
68 Clark Bulleit C 6-3 285 Sr. Tampa, Fla. (Jesuit)

Wow, that's a lot of major contributors. If we add Giles-Harris and Daniel Jones to the list, those are some big shoes to fill in 2019. My hat's off to all of these guys. Good group of men, and fine representatives of Duke University!!

Reilly
11-18-2018, 06:32 PM
To be honest, I clicked on the thread expecting to find a pun or beer knowledge -- so, yeah, I'm confused.


Patience. Patience.

I should've been more clear -- I mean a good pun.

Reilly
11-18-2018, 06:50 PM
I didn't realize WFU won 8 games, beat Texas A&M in the Belk Bowl, and finished as the 22nd best team in the country (per a computer) just last year:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/wake-forest/2017-schedule.html

Guess I was too wrapped up in Duke's 6-game losing streak to notice. That's a heckuva year.

As for this year and common opponents ...

WFU lost to Clemson by 60; Duke lost by 29
WFU lost to Pitt by 21; Duke lost by 9

AustinDevil
11-18-2018, 07:05 PM
I didn't realize WFU won 8 games, beat Texas A&M in the Belk Bowl, and finished as the 22nd best team in the country (per a computer) just last year:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/wake-forest/2017-schedule.html

Guess I was too wrapped up in Duke's 6-game losing streak to notice. That's a heckuva year.

As for this year and common opponents ...

WFU lost to Clemson by 60; Duke lost by 29
WFU lost to Pitt by 21; Duke lost by 9

It is a real indictment of how limited and unbalanced ACC football schedules are that Duke and Wake, entering the 12th and final game of the year, have only two common opponents. But I suppose that’s true of any Atlantic-Coastal permanent crossover rivals; the only common conference opponents will be each team’s rotating crossover game. Blech.

Reilly
11-18-2018, 07:26 PM
It is a real indictment of how limited and unbalanced ACC football schedules are that Duke and Wake, entering the 12th and final game of the year, have only two common opponents. But I suppose that’s true of any Atlantic-Coastal permanent crossover rivals; the only common conference opponents will be each team’s rotating crossover game. Blech.

I'd like to see eight 8-team conferences in the highest level of CFB. Let the 8 winners make the playoffs.

Bob Green
11-18-2018, 07:28 PM
Duke has opened as a 12.5 points favorite in Vegas.

Tripping William
11-18-2018, 07:48 PM
I should've been more clear -- I mean a good pun.

Here in the Foothills, these comments are Incendiary. A Wise Man would not have made them. Fortunately, they came in a very Small Batch.

:o

duke2x
11-18-2018, 07:55 PM
There's a tremendous amount at stake for both teams: state championship, bowl game. I don't want us to gift wrap bowl eligibility for Wake like we did for Army in 2010.

devildeac
11-18-2018, 08:05 PM
Here in the Foothills, these comments are Incendiary. A Wise Man would not have made them. Fortunately, they came in a very Small Batch.

:o

I knew I could count on Tripping William to take the lead. Sounds strangely like a brewery crawl in the Twin City :o.

OTOH, I'm debating whether the Devils win by 7 or 10 points.

chrishoke
11-20-2018, 02:43 PM
Jack Marwede, TE, had surgery on his injured knee. I sure fope he will be ready for the start of next season. He will be needed with all our graduations.

rtnorthrup
11-20-2018, 03:12 PM
Jack Marwede, TE, had surgery on his injured knee. I sure fope he will be ready for the start of next season. He will be needed with all our graduations.

I hope that Duke Football applied for and received a bulk rate discount from Duke Hospital this season.

On a serious note, get well soon Jack.

devildeac
11-20-2018, 03:16 PM
The number of season-ending injuries/surgeries is staggering to me this year, especially in addition to the injuries/games missed numbers, too. Anyone else remember a worse year? :(

HereBeforeCoachK
11-20-2018, 03:46 PM
The number of season-ending injuries/surgeries is staggering to me this year, especially in addition to the injuries/games missed numbers, too. Anyone else remember a worse year? :(

The only analogy, sadly, is Duke basketball 2016-17. Wake had almost as many as we did, til Singleton and Ben went down. That put us way ahead (or is it behind)?

mattman91
11-20-2018, 03:47 PM
Here in the Foothills, these comments are Incendiary. A Wise Man would not have made them. Fortunately, they came in a very Small Batch.

:o

You are such a Joymonger.

Bob Green
11-20-2018, 04:04 PM
Coach Cutcliffe Tuesday press conference:

http://www.goduke.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&id=6299172

A few comments which stood out to me (paraphrased):

1. Expect to see more of Brittain Brown this weekend. It was encouraging to see what he was able to do.
2. Brandon Hill and Koby Quansah are capable of playing 60-70 snaps if required.
3. Winning the last game of the season builds huge momentum for the bowl game.

barely
11-20-2018, 06:02 PM
Did you guys pick up that Brandon Feamster and Jordan Hayes appear to be moving on? I was a little surprised re Feamster in that he’s started 4-5 games in a row now and, although he still gets picked on in coverage, he’s big, strong and seems to be a pretty good tackler. Our defensive backfield appears to be a position of strength going forward - looking beyond who’s playing now to who’s redshirting and who’s coming in next fall - so maybe that’s the thinking, but we’ve seen this year how quickly inquiries can chew through that depth.

As an editorial note, I would have loved to see our defense at full strength in the UVa and Pitt games. I think we would have beat Pitt by two TDs and have had a reasonable chance against UVa.

I hope Marwede is back as well. I think we have enough depth without him, but he was very highly rated and should really help. Gray is the presumptive starter and should be very good, but he’s more of a Travis Kelce receiver first, blocker second type. Anyone know what the deal is with Birmingham? He was also a highly rated recruit and appears to be relegated to special teams.

awhom111
11-21-2018, 01:28 AM
A mod may want to change the title to say ACC RSN instead of Raycom to avoid confusion.

Here are the channels carrying the game again:
http://theacc.com/sports/2018/11/15/FB_RSN-WF-DU-1124.aspx

Blackout Map:
http://a.espncdn.com/espn3/images/2010/blackout/3460072.jpg

Options based on location:

Black:
-On TV on channel from list linked above
-Online via service provided by channel from list linked above (may need to be in-market subscriber)

Green:
-On TV on channel from list linked above
-On TV via ESPN College Extra (not carried by all providers, channel assignment not available yet)
-Online via service provided by channel from list linked above (may need to be in-market subscriber)
-Online via ACC Network Extra section of WatchESPN

Reilly
11-21-2018, 07:30 AM
Have players from both Northern Durham and Southern Durham high schools ... LB coach is former Duke captain and longtime assistant Brad Sherrod ... looks like their P went to high school with Dimukeje ... their special teams coach was the Richmond interim head coach who beat Duke in 2011 ...

https://wakeforestsports.com/roster.aspx?path=football

In the Roanoke Times listing of the top 100 players in Virginia for 2015:

4- Scott Bracey
7 - Mark Birmingham
35 - Carlos Basham (leading WFU in sacks)
47 - Myles Hudzick
49 - Greg Dortch (leading Wake in recs)

https://www.roanoke.com/sports/high_schools/top-senior-football-players-in-virginia/table_d74da803-e048-5d72-ac91-44735fafa959.html

HereBeforeCoachK
11-21-2018, 07:48 AM
In the Roanoke Times listing of the top 100 players in Virginia for 2015:

4- Scott Bracey
7 - Mark Birmingham
35 - Carlos Basham (leading WFU in sacks)
47 - Myles Hudzick
49 - Greg Dortch (leading Wake in recs)

https://www.roanoke.com/sports/high_schools/top-senior-football-players-in-virginia/table_d74da803-e048-5d72-ac91-44735fafa959.html

Dang, you reckon they'd go for a trade, #4 for #49 straight up?

budwom
11-21-2018, 08:50 AM
Did you guys pick up that Brandon Feamster and Jordan Hayes appear to be moving on? I was a little surprised re Feamster in that he’s started 4-5 games in a row now and, although he still gets picked on in coverage, he’s big, strong and seems to be a pretty good tackler. Our defensive backfield appears to be a position of strength going forward - looking beyond who’s playing now to who’s redshirting and who’s coming in next fall - so maybe that’s the thinking, but we’ve seen this year how quickly inquiries can chew through that depth.

As an editorial note, I would have loved to see our defense at full strength in the UVa and Pitt games. I think we would have beat Pitt by two TDs and have had a reasonable chance against UVa.

I hope Marwede is back as well. I think we have enough depth without him, but he was very highly rated and should really help. Gray is the presumptive starter and should be very good, but he’s more of a Travis Kelce receiver first, blocker second type. Anyone know what the deal is with Birmingham? He was also a highly rated recruit and appears to be relegated to special teams.

I'm kind of stunned about Feamster and Hayes as well, both have been starting and playing reasonably well...maybe they just want to get on with their lives.
As for Birmingham, I think he's just been buried behind three other guys on the depth chart...the nice thing about a bowl game is that we get a lot more practice time...I would expect we'll see a lot of him next year.
I watched Cut's press conference....I absolutely love the way he handles himself...having said that, I did get a chuckle when he said something to the effect "I'm not going to get into player availability at this time." No kidding, not at
this time, not at any time...just the way he likes to do things...would love to see Harris and maybe even Humphreys back for the bowl...the only time he says anything substantive about injuries is when a guy is definitely done for the season (e.g. Marwede), so the lack of comment about Humphreys would seem to indicate he didn't suffer a grievous injury (or so I hope).

I guess they are going ahead with a request for a sixth year for Cerenord...if we get that from the new, happier NCAA, that would be great...we'd have huge DL depth, in fact big depth throughout the defense...

devildeac
11-21-2018, 09:53 AM
I'll start the parade:

Devils-35

Deacs-28

Reilly
11-21-2018, 01:13 PM
Duke's game notes: http://www.goduke.com/pdf9/5479571.pdf

OldPhiKap
11-21-2018, 01:17 PM
27-20 Duke.

Bob Green
11-21-2018, 01:29 PM
My last WAG in the 2018 regular season:

Duke 38, Wake Forest 21

Reilly
11-21-2018, 01:38 PM
Some career stats from the game notes for those moving on ...

C Clark Bulleit - 3 games played
RB Griffin Carter - 2 games
S Brandon Feamster - 35 games - 47 tackles, 4 PBUs
LB Kevin Gehsmann - 3 games
OG/C Zach Harmon - 37 games
OT Christian Harris - 32 games
S Jordan Hayes - 29 games - 89 tackles, 8 PBUs
TE Daniel Helm - 36 games - 63 rec, 6 TDs
LB Ben Humphreys - 46 games - 273 tackles, 2 INTs, 5 fumble recoveries
TE Davis Koppenhaver - 39 games - 48 receptions, 11 TDs
WR Trevon Lee - 18 games - 3 recs
WR Johnathan Lloyd - 47 games - 117 recs, 9 TDs
S Jeremy McDuffie - 44 games - 106 tackles, 4 INTs
DE Twazanga Mugala - 9 games - 4 tackles
RB Nicodem Pierre - 34 games - 38 rush, 137 yds, 1 TD
WR T.J. Rahming - 48 games - 240 recs, 11 TDs
WR Chris Taylor - 45 games - 85 rec, 4 TDs
K Collin Wareham - 11 games - 9/13 FGs, 40/42 PATs

devildeac
11-21-2018, 01:38 PM
My last WAG in the 2018 regular season:

Duke 38, Wake Forest 21

That would make me a lot happier than my nailbiter prediction but I'm not "feeling" a 17 point win with our depleted defense. I might bet a Costco or a few baked beans with Bob on this one :o:rolleyes:

chrishoke
11-22-2018, 10:53 AM
Blue jersey, white pants, blue helmet with Duke in script. Love it. Go Devils!

rtnorthrup
11-22-2018, 10:58 AM
Some career stats from the game notes for those moving on ...

C Clark Bulleit - 3 games played
RB Griffin Carter - 2 games
S Brandon Feamster - 35 games - 47 tackles, 4 PBUs
LB Kevin Gehsmann - 3 games
OG/C Zach Harmon - 37 games
OT Christian Harris - 32 games
S Jordan Hayes - 29 games - 89 tackles, 8 PBUs
TE Daniel Helm - 36 games - 63 rec, 6 TDs
LB Ben Humphreys - 46 games - 273 tackles, 2 INTs, 5 fumble recoveries
TE Davis Koppenhaver - 39 games - 48 receptions, 11 TDs
WR Trevon Lee - 18 games - 3 recs
WR Johnathan Lloyd - 47 games - 117 recs, 9 TDs
S Jeremy McDuffie - 44 games - 106 tackles, 4 INTs
DE Twazanga Mugala - 9 games - 4 tackles
RB Nicodem Pierre - 34 games - 38 rush, 137 yds, 1 TD
WR T.J. Rahming - 48 games - 240 recs, 11 TDs
WR Chris Taylor - 45 games - 85 rec, 4 TDs
K Collin Wareham - 11 games - 9/13 FGs, 40/42 PATs

That's a lot to replace. Even worse if you assume JG Harris and Daniel Jones will not be back either. (Not looking forward to the Alabama game to open the season). Time for these seniors/junior to go out on a high note: win versus Wake, bowl game win.

budwom
11-22-2018, 11:30 AM
College Football News does a decent job of previewing games, though they are utterly schizo about Duke: they praise us regularly, then pick against us (e.g. Miami, NW, Baylor).
This time they're going with the Deacs, 41-38, thinking they will win the turnover battle (is it true we haven't had an interception in the last eight games? Could be true since our
defensive backs rare turn around to see the ball, but still...)

As in the unc game, I think mucho points will be scored...

awhom111
11-22-2018, 12:35 PM
A mod may want to change the title to say ACC RSN instead of Raycom to avoid confusion.

Here are the channels carrying the game again:
http://theacc.com/sports/2018/11/15/FB_RSN-WF-DU-1124.aspx

Blackout Map:
http://a.espncdn.com/espn3/images/2010/blackout/3460072.jpg

Options based on location:

Black:
-On TV on channel from list linked above
-Online via service provided by channel from list linked above (may need to be in-market subscriber)

Green:
-On TV on channel from list linked above
-On TV via ESPN College Extra (not carried by all providers, channel assignment not available yet)
-Online via service provided by channel from list linked above (may need to be in-market subscriber)
-Online via ACC Network Extra section of WatchESPN

ESPN College Extra channel assignments are out: DirecTV 790/Verizon FIOS 823

DU82
11-22-2018, 12:48 PM
Blue jersey, white pants, blue helmet with Duke in script. Love it. Go Devils!

Hope they’re waterproof. Calling for rain, high about 50.

Reilly
11-22-2018, 01:01 PM
Years: 4-year win total/# bowls

2005 - 2008: 6 wins [Marshall/Robinson/Harris/Chestnut/Jones/Riley/Williams/Akinbiyi/Tauiliili/Schirmann/Roland/Goldberg/Surgan/Respress]

2006 - 2009: 10 wins [Wright/Lewis/Rey/VO/Boyette/Rucker/Okpokowuruk]

2007 - 2010: 13 wins [Banks/Morgan/Kelly/Rwabukamba/King/Jones/Lederman/Huffman/Egboh/Oglesby]

2008 - 2011: 15 wins [Varner/Hollingsworth/King/Williams/Daniels/Helfet/Hill/Hatcher/Snyderwine]

2009 - 2012: 17 wins/1 bowl [Vernon/Canty/Scott/Renfree/Foster/Butler/Byas/Moore/Anderson]

2010 - 2013: 22 wins/2 bowls [Braxton/Thompson/Cockrell/Harding/Sarmiento/Anunike/Foxx]

2011 - 2014: 28 wins/3 bowls [Crowder/Helton/Boone/Snead/Tomlinson/Dewalt-Ondijo/France/Kelby]

2012 - 2015: 33 wins/4 bowls [Powell/Martin/Norman/McCaffrey/Wray/Cash/Monday/Brownx2/Skura/Patrick/Deaver/Reeves/Robinson]

2013 - 2016: 31 wins/3 bowls [Borders/Singleton/Sirk/Duncan/Edwards/Hennessey/McCarthy/Blaser/Stone/Nash/Beillinson/Wolf/Nash/Schneider/Jackson]

2014 - 2017: 28 wins/3 bowls [ShWilson/Ramsay/Brandner/Davis/Fields/Saxton]

2015 - 2018: 26 wins (and counting)/3 bowls [Rahming/Lloyd/Humphreys/Helm/Koppenhaver/Harmon/Harris]

Recipe seems to be NFL-quality OLineman and stellar specialists.

Apologies to those omitted. Full rosters at goduke.com. Some folks get listed as SRs 2x due to injury comeback (such as Deaver, Anunike, Brown).

OldPhiKap
11-22-2018, 01:09 PM
Years: 4-year win total/# bowls

2005 - 2008: 6 wins [Marshall/Robinson/Harris/Chestnut/Jones/Riley/Williams/Akinbiyi/Tauiliili/Schirmann/Roland/Goldberg/Surgan/Respress]

2006 - 2009: 10 wins [Wright/Lewis/Rey/VO/Boyette/Rucker/Okpokowuruk]

2007 - 2010: 13 wins [Banks/Morgan/Kelly/Rwabukamba/King/Jones/Lederman/Huffman/Egboh/Oglesby]

2008 - 2011: 15 wins [Varner/Hollingsworth/King/Williams/Daniels/Helfet/Hill/Hatcher/Snyderwine]

2009 - 2012: 17 wins/1 bowl [Vernon/Canty/Scott/Renfree/Foster/Butler/Byas/Moore/Anderson]

2010 - 2013: 22 wins/2 bowls [Braxton/Thompson/Cockrell/Harding/Sarmiento/Anunike/Foxx]

2011 - 2014: 28 wins/3 bowls [Crowder/Helton/Boone/Snead/Tomlinson/Dewalt-Ondijo/France/Kelby

2012 - 2015: 33 wins/4 bowls [Powell/Martin/Norman/McCaffrey/Wray/Cash/Monday/Brownx2/Skura/Patrick/Deaver/Reeves/Robinson]

2013 - 2016: 31 wins/3 bowls [Borders/Singleton/Sirk/Duncan/Edwards/Hennessey/McCarthy/Blaser/Stone/Nash/Beillinson/Wolf/Nash/Schneider/Jackson]

2014 - 2017: 28 wins/3 bowls [ShWilson/Ramsay/Brandner/Davis/Fields/Saxton]

2015 - 2018: 26 wins (and counting)/3 bowls [Rahming/Lloyd/Humphreys/Helm/Koppenhaver/Harmon/Harris]

Recipe seems to be NFL-quality OLineman and stellar specialists.

Apologies to those omitted. Full rosters at goduke.com. Some folks get listed as SRs 2x due to injury comeback (such as Deaver, Anunike, Brown).

Thanks, Reilly!! I can spend a lot of post-turkey time digesting this info. Bravo.

TruBlu
11-22-2018, 01:26 PM
That's a lot to replace. Even worse if you assume JG Harris and Daniel Jones will not be back either. (Not looking forward to the Alabama game to open the season). Time for these seniors/junior to go out on a high note: win versus Wake, bowl game win.

I am looking forward to playing Alabama in the last game next year. Beating them twice in one year will be satisfying.

OldPhiKap
11-22-2018, 01:29 PM
I am looking forward to playing Alabama in the last game next year. Beating them twice in one year will be satisfying.

I will be there.

DaughterPK has been to a ton of Duke games (including last year’s bowl game) but now goes to Alabama. She wants to bring a sorority sister or two to the game next year although we are in the Duke section. Yay, or Nay?

devildeac
11-22-2018, 11:28 PM
I will be there.

DaughterPK has been to a ton of Duke games (including last year’s bowl game) but now goes to Alabama. She wants to bring a sorority sister or two to the game next year although we are in the Duke section. Yay, or Nay?

She and her friends can wear the Duke scripted blue hats, white Alabama jerseys and blue and white seersucker shorts. :rolleyes:

Reilly
11-22-2018, 11:44 PM
... Anunike ...

Kenny is a grad assistant at Ohio State: http://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/coach/kenny-anunike/

possibly rings a faint bell but not sure I knew that

OldPhiKap
11-23-2018, 07:10 AM
She and her friends can wear the Duke scripted blue hats, white Alabama jerseys and blue and white seersucker shorts. :rolleyes:

That was my position — they can wear Alabama swag if they want, but gotta rep a Duke hat. At least DPK does.

Waiting to see our bowl bid, if I go will see if I can get DPK to go too. Because I sure ain’t sporting for Alabama playoff tickets this year. It would essentially be another tuition check in cost.

I would love to have a nice, comfortable win here please against the Deacs. Thanks in advance, I’ll hang up and listen to the response.

budwom
11-23-2018, 09:12 AM
^ I'll take an arduous one point win if it comes to that, eating a lot of fish to keep my ticker happy.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-23-2018, 09:31 AM
appears now the rain will be over around kick time...but probably not soon enough to salvage attendance....or tailgating experiences....

Stray Gator
11-23-2018, 10:42 AM
appears now the rain will be over around kick time...but probably not soon enough to salvage attendance...or tailgating experiences...

What is the source of that forecast? According to The Weather Channel and Weather Underground, there's still about a 90% chance of rain at noon, 50% chance at 1:00 p.m., and 35% chance at 2:00 p.m. in Durham. I'm sure we'd all like to see the front move faster so that we enjoy clear skies by the time the game begins, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if we don't get wet during the first half.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-23-2018, 10:52 AM
What is the source of that forecast? According to The Weather Channel and Weather Underground, there's still about a 90% chance of rain at noon, 50% chance at 1:00 p.m., and 35% chance at 2:00 p.m. in Durham. I'm sure we'd all like to see the front move faster so that we enjoy clear skies by the time the game begins, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if we don't get wet during the first half.

It was weather.com.....which is technically The Weather Channel's website, but they always vary their forecasts a bit from platform to platform to spread the risk.

Thurber Whyte
11-23-2018, 08:49 PM
That was my position — they can wear Alabama swag if they want, but gotta rep a Duke hat. At least DPK does.

Waiting to see our bowl bid, if I go will see if I can get DPK to go too. Because I sure ain’t sporting for Alabama playoff tickets this year. It would essentially be another tuition check in cost.

I would love to have a nice, comfortable win here please against the Deacs. Thanks in advance, I’ll hang up and listen to the response.

I think I sat next to you and your daughter at the Quick Lane Bowl last year. To my right, there was a man with his high school aged daughter and the daughter had a comprehensive knowledge of the entire Duke roster and depth chart including personalities. #raisingkidsright If that was her, I think your daughter has more than earned a permanent place in the Duke section. I second that she must wear one item of Duke clothing though.

OldPhiKap
11-23-2018, 08:55 PM
I think I sat next to you and your daughter at the Quick Lane Bowl last year. To my right, there was a man with his high school aged daughter and the daughter had a comprehensive knowledge of the entire Duke roster and depth chart including personalities. #raisingkidsright If that was her, I think your daughter has more than earned a permanent place in the Duke section. I second that she must wear one item of Duke clothing though.

We were there, and hope that it was so.

She’s a good kid, she takes after her mother thankfully.

She’s pulling for a a Duke victory tomorrow, then a Bama win in the Iron Bowl after our game ends. Glad she is home for the break.

LGD!!!!!!!!!! (Roll Tide too, though don’t want to veer the thread off on that issue — I am sure that is a less than universal secondary position).

Any update on injuries?

devildeac
11-23-2018, 11:40 PM
That was my position — they can wear Alabama swag if they want, but gotta rep a Duke hat. At least DPK does.

Waiting to see our bowl bid, if I go will see if I can get DPK to go too. Because I sure ain’t sporting for Alabama playoff tickets this year. It would essentially be another tuition check in cost.

I would love to have a nice, comfortable win here please against the Deacs. Thanks in advance, I’ll hang up and listen to the response.

I've got your # and will get back to you tomorrow about 330 PM EST, or 1530 on Bob Green time. ;)

devildeac
11-23-2018, 11:42 PM
What is the source of that forecast? According to The Weather Channel and Weather Underground, there's still about a 90% chance of rain at noon, 50% chance at 1:00 p.m., and 35% chance at 2:00 p.m. in Durham. I'm sure we'd all like to see the front move faster so that we enjoy clear skies by the time the game begins, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if we don't get wet during the first half.

That'd work, or see a reeaally slow moving front that rolls in about 330 PM. Or, not at all.

Avvocato
11-24-2018, 12:00 AM
I’ll hang up and listen to the response.

Such a classic line. Nicely done.

OldPhiKap
11-24-2018, 12:08 AM
Such a classic line. Nicely done.

According to BobGreen, Rush is right.

Establishing the running game, I mean.

Don’t know (or care) about the rest!!!


;-)


Meanwhile — GAME DAY!!!!!! WOOT!!!!

Bob Green
11-24-2018, 06:01 AM
GAME DAY. It is time to send the Seniors off with a victory! Go Duke! Beat Wake Forest!!

budwom
11-24-2018, 08:13 AM
We were there, and hope that it was so.

She’s a good kid, she takes after her mother thankfully.

She’s pulling for a a Duke victory tomorrow, then a Bama win in the Iron Bowl after our game ends. Glad she is home for the break.

LGD!!!!!!!!!! (Roll Tide too, though don’t want to veer the thread off on that issue — I am sure that is a less than universal secondary position).

Any update on injuries?

ha ha ha ha, an update on injuries! Haven't lost your sense of humor, my good man....you'll get the nation's nuclear launch codes before you get an update on injuries...

HereBeforeCoachK
11-24-2018, 08:15 AM
According to BobGreen, Rush is right.

Establishing the running game, I mean.

Don’t know (or care) about the rest!!!



Wake totally sold out on the run and stopped Pitt and State from running, but gave up big yards in the air. If Pitt couldn't run it versus Wakes new scheme, not sure if we can. But many passing opportunities should be open.

tteettimes
11-24-2018, 09:31 AM
Wake totally sold out on the run and stopped Pitt and State from running, but gave up big yards in the air. If Pitt couldn't run it versus Wakes new scheme, not sure if we can. But many passing opportunities should be open.
Sure.....I agree.....passing opportunities......but do we have anyone to catch the passes? 😈😈😈😈😈

OldPhiKap
11-24-2018, 09:39 AM
Sure....I agree....passing opportunities...but do we have anyone to catch the passes? 😈😈😈😈😈

I saw some pictures on social media which looked pretty wet. Is the rain supposed to be done and through by game time?

HereBeforeCoachK
11-24-2018, 09:45 AM
Sure....I agree....passing opportunities...but do we have anyone to catch the passes? 😈😈😈😈😈

Well that's a fair question........but either way, if Pitt couldn't run on Wake's re-vamped defense and a new commitment to stop the run, not sure where I see us going on the ground.

DU82
11-24-2018, 10:27 AM
I saw some pictures on social media which looked pretty wet. Is the rain supposed to be done and through by game time?

It’s pouring right now a few miles SE of campus. Weather Channel says rain until about noon, showers after that to three, then cloudy. High in the 40s.

chrishoke
11-24-2018, 10:28 AM
I see us using the spread no back look most of the day today.

DU82
11-24-2018, 10:30 AM
I see us using the spread no back look most of the day today.

Not so sure of that with Brown back. That, plus the weather.

chrishoke
11-24-2018, 11:45 AM
Not so sure of that with Brown back. That, plus the weather.

You could be right. I hope not. We will know soon Go Duke. Looks like the rain may clear before kickoff.

jimsumner
11-24-2018, 11:47 AM
The rain has slacked off. More of a drizzle. Still chilly. Hardly anyone in the stands. And no reason for them to be, 50 minutes before kickoff.

Giles-Harris, out.

Young, out.

Humphreys-he'll warm up and see how it goes.

peloton
11-24-2018, 11:49 AM
Let's go Duke...beat the Deacs!

budwom
11-24-2018, 11:51 AM
loads of good seats left on my couch! Was thinking of asking Cut to give his receivers a big face mask hole where the ball could stick when it hits them there. Always thinking innovation...

I think (unless the weather is worse than I think) that it will take 30+ points to win today...

-jk
11-24-2018, 11:58 AM
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Let's Go Duke!

-jk

HereBeforeCoachK
11-24-2018, 12:00 PM
loads of good seats left on my couch! I think (unless the weather is worse than I think) that it will take 30+ points to win today...

Hot off the presses for Durham on Weather.com - rain at noon like 95% - down to 25% by 1 o clock for the rest of the day...with partly cloudy skies. Are we drying the field with a chopper?

jimsumner
11-24-2018, 12:30 PM
Hot off the presses for Durham on Weather.com - rain at noon like 95% - down to 25% by 1 o clock for the rest of the day...with partly cloudy skies. Are we drying the field with a chopper?

The field dries well. Dries good?

The biggest impact of the weather may be the diminished turnout. There aren't more than 5,000 people in the stands. Maybe some late arrivals.

And, of course, minimal student turnout over the holiday.

Faison1
11-24-2018, 12:40 PM
They're showing the UNC/State game on the West Coast!! Why???? And UNC just fumbled a punt/kick in the end-zone. They stink!!! What programmer thought this would be a better game to show????

Acymetric
11-24-2018, 12:49 PM
They're showing the UNC/State game on the West Coast!! Why???? And UNC just fumbled a punt/kick in the end-zone. They stink!!! What programmer thought this would be a better game to show????

Sure it isn't on another channel? You can stream on the fox sports website I believe (and maybe WatchESPN since you're outside the blackout area).

75Crazie
11-24-2018, 12:57 PM
Given the start of the Duke game, I think they made the better choice.

Faison1
11-24-2018, 01:03 PM
Given the start of the Duke game, I think they made the better choice.

Oh no....what happened?

rsvman
11-24-2018, 01:08 PM
This is pretty pathetic so far....

75Crazie
11-24-2018, 01:08 PM
Oh no...what happened?
Only one team showed up … and it was not wearing blue.

chrishoke
11-24-2018, 01:10 PM
We need to fire Carl Franks at halftime.

WakeDevil
11-24-2018, 01:10 PM
OK, I get it. Duke is using one of those Carl Franks teams today.

Sixthman
11-24-2018, 01:13 PM
In a tie with every quarter over a miserable five year period for the worst display of football I’ve every seen Duke play.

ChrisP
11-24-2018, 01:15 PM
I understand the weather stinks and I understand we are very depleted on D but...Cut has got to figure out why we play so poorly at home sometimes. Just seems like everyone is a step slow and out of it thus far.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-24-2018, 01:27 PM
I understand the weather stinks and I understand we are very depleted on D but...Cut has got to figure out why we play so poorly at home sometimes. Just seems like everyone is a step slow and out of it thus far.

Our guys clearly like a large hostile crowd more than a small friendly one. I think that's it.

ChrisP
11-24-2018, 01:32 PM
Terrible drive there - totally wasted great field position (and killed momentum)

DU82
11-24-2018, 01:32 PM
Jones hurt and isy in the med tent. Katrenick and Harris warming up.

Faison1
11-24-2018, 01:34 PM
Jones hurt and isy in the med tent. Katrenick and Harris warming up.

Holy smokes.....what the heck, man?!?!

rsvman
11-24-2018, 01:36 PM
Jones hurt and isy in the med tent. Katrenick and Harris warming up.

From bad to worse?

ChrisP
11-24-2018, 01:36 PM
Jones hurt and isy in the med tent. Katrenick and Harris warming up.

Ugh! O line not impressive today to put it mildly

DU82
11-24-2018, 01:37 PM
Quick tape job and tv timeout let’s Daniel back out

ChrisP
11-24-2018, 01:40 PM
Words cannot express my displeasure at this game. Methinks Cut needs to do some more of the looking guys in the eye thing. Like a LOT more. Like a staring contest. This is embarrassing

arnie
11-24-2018, 01:52 PM
Words cannot express my displeasure at this game. Methinks Cut needs to do some more of the looking guys in the eye thing. Like a LOT more. Like a staring contest. This is embarrassing

Maybe the worst decision I’ve seen from Mr. Jones. This game may be over in the 1st half. Can’t blame the offensive issues on injuries when playing WF.

Sixthman
11-24-2018, 01:56 PM
These kinds of complete failures to show up are becoming a theme. That’s got to be on the coaches.

Acymetric
11-24-2018, 01:59 PM
10/25 passing and 1.9 yards per carry isn't going to get it done...and is pitiful against Wake. And that ignores the turnovers.

arnie
11-24-2018, 02:01 PM
We need to fire Carl Franks at halftime.

I was at that game; this game is remarkably similar except WF is worse this year.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-24-2018, 02:04 PM
I was at that game; this game is remarkably similar except WF is worse this year.

Much worse...that was a good Jim Grobe team as I recall (then again, sometimes Idon't recall as good as I used to)

6th Man
11-24-2018, 02:06 PM
Maybe they should call in some med students to see if anyone on the team has a pulse. Beyond embarrassing!

Faison1
11-24-2018, 02:19 PM
Ouch. I guess we can see what Giles-Harris and Humphreys really mean to this team.

Sixthman
11-24-2018, 02:22 PM
We should not play Jones if he is less than 100%, and should shut down the “where is he going to play next year” thread if he is capable of playing like this against a college team with a losing record when 100% healthy.

peloton
11-24-2018, 02:29 PM
I'm unable to watch the game up in the NC mountains with family. It sounds like I should be thankful for both family *and* the fact that I can't watch it. No, I'm not being sarcastic. No disrespect to our Demon Deacon brethren, but just because we're not playing Clemson, Alabama, etc doesn't mean we don't have to put forth the effort. Bring it every game...no excuses.

Sixthman
11-24-2018, 02:34 PM
We can’t even bring a ball carrier down. Pulling at them instead of hitting, not running through tackles, containing not making plays. It is actually pathetic.

arnie
11-24-2018, 02:35 PM
Ouch. I guess we can see what Giles-Harris and Humphreys really mean to this team.

So the offense is horrible against a bad defensive team cause we lost two linebackers? Tired of injury excuses when getting destroyed at home by a beat up WF team.

Acymetric
11-24-2018, 02:38 PM
So the offense is horrible against a bad defensive team cause we lost two linebackers? Tired of injury excuses when getting destroyed at home by a beat up WF team.

Defense has an excuse...brutalized by injuries to probably our top 4-5 players and forced to play super young. Hopefully the trial by fire helps the young guys in years to come.

Offense has just been bad though. Relatively healthy, no excuses.

dukelifer
11-24-2018, 02:40 PM
So the offense is horrible against a bad defensive team cause we lost two linebackers? Tired of injury excuses when getting destroyed at home by a beat up WF team.

Just a bad game- team has underperformed all year at home.

Faison1
11-24-2018, 02:49 PM
So the offense is horrible against a bad defensive team cause we lost two linebackers? Tired of injury excuses when getting destroyed at home by a beat up WF team.

I agree it stinks that our team didn't show up for this one (I can't see since it's not on TV). But, yes, when our two all-american linebackers are out, our defense has a tough time stopping anyone. I also agree, the offense has its own set of issues, not withstanding play-calling.

But Giles-Harris and Humphreys have certain intangibles that are exceedingly difficult to replace. Whether the rest of the team feeds off that, I don't know. The trend lines seem to show that when they are not around, we play poorly.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-24-2018, 02:53 PM
So the offense is horrible against a bad defensive team cause we lost two linebackers? Tired of injury excuses when getting destroyed at home by a beat up WF team.

Good point...our offense is much healthier than Wake's defense.

buddy
11-24-2018, 02:59 PM
Defensive injuries do not explain why the offense is consistently three and out. It doesn't explain why receivers cannot even turn around to catch the ball. Injuries to the defense don't explain why the o-line can't block. Injuries to the defense don't explain why Daniel throws behind receivers, or why receivers can't catch balls that go trough their hands. Today's effort is an embarrassment. It reminds me of Carl Franks' last game.

richardjackson199
11-24-2018, 03:04 PM
Defensive injuries do not explain why the offense is consistently three and out. It doesn't explain why receivers cannot even turn around to catch the ball. Injuries to the defense don't explain why the o-line can't block. Injuries to the defense don't explain why Daniel throws behind receivers, or why receivers can't catch balls that go trough their hands. Today's effort is an embarrassment. It reminds me of Carl Franks' last game.

Carl Franks last game was closer than this beat down.

That was 42-13 to Wake at home

Acymetric
11-24-2018, 03:06 PM
Duke playing like the worst team in the ACC today. If it were 45-38 you could blame injuries, but the offense is just plain bad.

Sixthman
11-24-2018, 03:25 PM
What’s the protocol when the other team is beating you like a poor country cousin and their running back does a somersault over the goal line to hang 50 on you? On your home field. My opinion is the appropriate response would result in yellow laundry.

6th Man
11-24-2018, 03:29 PM
I wouldn’t have been shocked at a loss, but this feels like a bad day for the program. I’m probably forgetting a game, but I don’t recall a Cutcliffe era time ever having a performance like this. Zero pride and zero heart. I’m fairly stunned.

devilseven
11-24-2018, 03:35 PM
I wouldn’t have been shocked at a loss, but this feels like a bad day for the program. I’m probably forgetting a game, but I don’t recall a Cutcliffe era time ever having a performance like this. Zero pride and zero heart. I’m fairly stunned.

Somewhere Carl Franks is laughing his axx off!

CameronBlue
11-24-2018, 03:37 PM
I wouldn’t have been shocked at a loss, but this feels like a bad day for the program. I’m probably forgetting a game, but I don’t recall a Cutcliffe era time ever having a performance like this. Zero pride and zero heart. I’m fairly stunned.

Yup, this puts the conversation into the "has Coach Cut lost the team" territory. Which would be shocking quite honestly. It's a conversation that often happens with teams on an extended losing streak, multiple seasons of futility back to back. But with a team that is bowl-bound? The narrative that emerges over the next week will be quite interesting.

Faison1
11-24-2018, 03:39 PM
Somewhere Carl Franks is laughing his axx off!

Am I missing something on the Carl Franks joke? Please don't tell me anyone is putting Coach Cutcliffe and Carl Franks in the same sentence.

devilseven
11-24-2018, 03:45 PM
Am I missing something on the Carl Franks joke? Please don't tell me anyone is putting Coach Cutcliffe and Carl Franks in the same sentence.

In case you don't remember, Carl Franks was fired for losing to a pretty good Wake Forest team at home by the score of 42-13. Today's score was Wake Forest 59, Duke 7.

richardjackson199
11-24-2018, 03:46 PM
Yup, this puts the conversation into the "has Coach Cut lost the team" territory. Which would be shocking quite honestly. It's a conversation that often happens with teams on an extended losing streak, multiple seasons of futility back to back. But with a team that is bowl-bound? The narrative that emerges over the next week will be quite interesting.

Today was awful. Just awful.

Injuries everywhere. It's time to get healthier and win a bowl game. Duke can do that. We're better than this and should prepare with purpose now.

75Crazie
11-24-2018, 03:46 PM
I wouldn’t have been shocked at a loss, but this feels like a bad day for the program. I’m probably forgetting a game, but I don’t recall a Cutcliffe era time ever having a performance like this. Zero pride and zero heart. I’m fairly stunned.
In the chat, I mentioned that if you weight performance by talent level, I think this was quite possibly the worst performance I've seen in my 50 years of watching Duke football.

fuse
11-24-2018, 03:48 PM
A deleted Mark Gilbert tweet caught by Adam Rowe suggests something is afoot.

Worst loss under Cut, even worse than against Alabama.
Worst home loss since the 59-0 beatdown UVa put on Duke in 1990.

Sad end to a frustrating season.
A healthy Duke team has maybe one loss to Clemson and might have been a top ten team

Instead, Duke is now going to be the team bowl selection committees won’t want to pick. Which Duke will show- Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde?

richardjackson199
11-24-2018, 03:49 PM
Has there been any thought that Daniel Jones and JGH might sit out our bowl game to avoid risking injury before NFL draft?

Other players have done it. Christian McCaffrey I believe.

I sure hope not. This season needs to end with a win and our best performance of year. Especially after that senior day.

Acymetric
11-24-2018, 03:51 PM
I wouldn’t have been shocked at a loss, but this feels like a bad day for the program. I’m probably forgetting a game, but I don’t recall a Cutcliffe era time ever having a performance like this. Zero pride and zero heart. I’m fairly stunned.

Easily the worst performance of the Cutcliffe era. There may have been some that were similarly futile but they were against much better teams.


Yup, this puts the conversation into the "has Coach Cut lost the team" territory. Which would be shocking quite honestly. It's a conversation that often happens with teams on an extended losing streak, multiple seasons of futility back to back. But with a team that is bowl-bound? The narrative that emerges over the next week will be quite interesting.

I had the same thought. I have to believe (like you) that the answer is no, but something is seriously wrong with this team right now and it isn't all the injuries on defense (remember, the offense is pretty darn healthy but football standards). I'm sure you will get some negative reactions just for bringing it up, but it an entirely fair topic at this point.

grossbus
11-24-2018, 03:52 PM
I must be dense today. What is the afoot suggestion?

Acymetric
11-24-2018, 03:55 PM
A deleted Mark Gilbert tweet caught by Adam Rowe suggests something is afoot.

Worst loss under Cut, even worse than against Alabama.
Worst home loss since the 59-0 beatdown UVa put on Duke in 1990.

Sad end to a frustrating season.
A healthy Duke team has maybe one loss to Clemson and might have been a top ten team

Instead, Duke is now going to be the team bowl selection committees won’t want to pick. Which Duke will show- Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde?

Where did you see that? I can't find a reference anywhere...share the dirt!

chrishoke
11-24-2018, 03:56 PM
First time in forever I just cut the game off. Just pathetic.

fuse
11-24-2018, 03:58 PM
Where did you see that? I can't find a reference anywhere...share the dirt!

I’ll see if I can find it again.
Paraphrasing, the gist of the tweet was:
“sometimes its not the players”

You can find it under Chris Bunn’s twitter stream as a screenshot

OldPhiKap
11-24-2018, 04:01 PM
I’ll see if I can find it again.
Paraphrasing, the gist of the tweet was:
“sometimes its not the players”

Today, though, it clearly was.

barely
11-24-2018, 04:02 PM
Just looking through the records, it is the worse loss in the Cut Era. Worse even than the Alabama, FSU and Stanford games. What the heck was that? Clearly we have a huge drop off behind Humphreys and JGH, but our defense should have never given up 52 points to Wake even with the turnovers. That was just a mess. I don't remember seeing tackling that bad in a college game. We made the Wake RB look like hall of famer. As others were pointing out, we never really hit anyone - we just grabbed and hugged them. I am absolutely shocked. As others have also noted, the injuries on defense don't explain out offense today, and it was a team effort on offense - Jones, the receivers, the RBs, the line, across the board. You would think that Wake was in the running for the playoffs.

As others have noted, this doesn't feel like just one bad lose. After Cut's comments after the second half of the Wake game, I was expecting the team to come out fired up. We looked terrible right from the first snap. Anyone have any insight?

barely
11-24-2018, 04:04 PM
Just looking through the records, it is the worse loss in the Cut Era. Worse even than the Alabama, FSU and Stanford games. What the heck was that? Clearly we have a huge drop off behind Humphreys and JGH, but our defense should have never given up 52 points to Wake even with the turnovers. That was just a mess. I don't remember seeing tackling that bad in a college game. We made the Wake RB look like hall of famer. As others were pointing out, we never really hit anyone - we just grabbed and hugged them. I am absolutely shocked. As others have also noted, the injuries on defense don't explain out offense today, and it was a team effort on offense - Jones, the receivers, the RBs, the line, across the board. You would think that Wake was in the running for the playoffs.

As others have noted, this doesn't feel like just one bad lose. After Cut's comments after the second half of the Wake game, I was expecting the team to come out fired up. We looked terrible right from the first snap. Anyone have any insight?

Sorry -typing too fast.

75Crazie
11-24-2018, 04:06 PM
I’ll see if I can find it again.
Paraphrasing, the gist of the tweet was:
“sometimes its not the players”

You can find it under Chris Bunn’s twitter stream as a screenshot
It now also appears to be unavailable.

jwillfan
11-24-2018, 04:07 PM
I’ll see if I can find it again.
Paraphrasing, the gist of the tweet was:
“sometimes its not the players”

You can find it under Chris Bunn’s twitter stream as a screenshot

https://twitter.com/DukeForum/status/1066430164953956353

Not a good look...

75Crazie
11-24-2018, 04:09 PM
Thanks, jwill fan … you're right, not at all a good look … and something that I never hoped to see from a Cutcliffe player.

Wander
11-24-2018, 04:09 PM
Somewhere Carl Franks is laughing his axx off!

LOL. This season's team has as many wins as Franks had in his entire five years at Duke combined. What a ridiculous comment.

richardjackson199
11-24-2018, 04:10 PM
I’ll see if I can find it again.
Paraphrasing, the gist of the tweet was:
“sometimes its not the players”

You can find it under Chris Bunn’s twitter stream as a screenshot

Found it. Mark Gilbert tweeted "It ain't always the players"

CameronBlue
11-24-2018, 04:12 PM
https://twitter.com/DukeForum/status/1066430164953956353

Not a good look...

Well I hope someone brings some clarity to Gilbert's tweet PDQ. After everything Cut has done to reanimate a vertiable corpse, a locker room controversy would be so unfortunate and sad.

Acymetric
11-24-2018, 04:13 PM
Well Gilbert may be playing on Sundays next year anyway but he probably isn't alone in that sentiment which isn't a good sign.

barely
11-24-2018, 04:23 PM
I would think Cut would be about the most unlikely coach to have a locker room problem, but if he does he'll clean it up quickly.

The coaches no doubt failed today, but the players certainly can't blame the coaches for the lack of effort on the field.

devildeac
11-24-2018, 04:23 PM
A deleted Mark Gilbert tweet caught by Adam Rowe suggests something is afoot.

Worst loss under Cut, even worse than against Alabama.
Worst home loss since the 59-0 beatdown UVa put on Duke in 1990.

Sad end to a frustrating season.
A healthy Duke team has maybe one loss to Clemson and might have been a top ten team

Instead, Duke is now going to be the team bowl selection committees won’t want to pick. Which Duke will show- Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde?

What does ARowe have to say about this on 247 and/or on TDD?

Today's performance was beyond embarrassing.

richardjackson199
11-24-2018, 04:24 PM
What does ARowe have to say about this on 247 and/or on TDD?

Today's performance was beyond embarrassing.

No clue what ARowe thinks. But best guess is it's referring to offensive play calling

budwom
11-24-2018, 04:25 PM
Found it. Mark Gilbert tweeted "It ain't always the players"

ouch. I also turned the game off well before the conclusion, haven't done that in many years.

cbarry
11-24-2018, 04:25 PM
Obviously a terrible loss by a team decimated by injuries. Our defense, EVEN with Humphries and Giles-Harris, was not good all year. We gave up over 350 yards to EVERY SINGLE TEAM we played (not including NCCU of course). That is not good.

Just when I thought I’d seen the worse of Duke FB... Wake Forest shellacks us. Wake Forest!! We took a major step backwards today.

devildeac
11-24-2018, 04:25 PM
First time in forever I just cut the game off. Just pathetic.

I left at halftime along with some others from our tailgate to have some dessert at our tailgate tent. My wife and several others from our tailgate left before the end of 3Q. Beyond pathetic.

cbarry
11-24-2018, 04:27 PM
One good thing from today’s game— nobody will be talking about Daniel Jobes leaving early for the NFL. LOL. He was dreadful today.

devildeac
11-24-2018, 04:31 PM
Obviously a terrible loss by a team decimated by injuries. Our defense, EVEN with Humphries and Giles-Harris, was not good all year. We gave up over 350 yards to EVERY SINGLE TEAM we played (not including NCCU of course). That is not good.

Just when I thought I’d seen the worse of Duke FB... Wake Forest shellacks us. Wake Forest!! We took a major step backwards today.

We took more than a step backwards today. We "only" lost to Clemson 6-35. Today was a totally inept performance from both sides of the ball, the sidelines and the booth.

cbarry
11-24-2018, 04:34 PM
Ok, we fell off the cliff today...


We took more than a step backwards today. We "only" lost to Clemson 6-35. Today was a totally inept performance from both sides of the ball, the sidelines and the booth.

richardjackson199
11-24-2018, 04:36 PM
Duke was favored by 11 right?

Has anybody ever seen the oddsmakers off by that many?

HereBeforeCoachK
11-24-2018, 04:37 PM
One good thing from today’s game— nobody will be talking about Daniel Jobes leaving early for the NFL. LOL. He was dreadful today.

Some folks around here still are. I think it would be bad for Duke and Daniel Jones.......

devildeac
11-24-2018, 04:37 PM
I need to stop starting FB threads.

:o

HereBeforeCoachK
11-24-2018, 04:38 PM
No clue what ARowe thinks. But best guess is it's referring to offensive play calling

Hmmm....while I don't like the play calling, I don't think Gilbert would be saying that about the offense. Could be a slam at the empty seats. Could be a "down vote" for the co-coordinators issue. Maybe even the training staff, etc?

rtnorthrup
11-24-2018, 04:52 PM
Some folks around here still are. I think it would be bad for Duke and Daniel Jones....

Better get used to it. Daniel Jones will not be at Duke next season. This game won't change that. Duke will be in full rebuilding mode next season. 7-3 may look as unattainable as a Victoria Secret model.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-24-2018, 04:54 PM
Better get used to it. Daniel Jones will not be at Duke next season. This game won't change that. Duke will be in full rebuilding mode next season. 7-3 may look as unattainable as a Victoria Secret model.

You may well be right, but I had reached my decision before this game.......this game merely validated it.

TKG
11-24-2018, 04:58 PM
Anyone hear Cut’s post game presser?

Acymetric
11-24-2018, 05:00 PM
Anyone hear Cut’s post game presser?

Yes. Wait until tomorrow to listen to it, it was mostly annoying to hear after that awful performance. Fairly ho-hum time to get back to work coming off of a historically bad beating (which is saying something considering our dark years were about as dark as possible).

richardjackson199
11-24-2018, 05:04 PM
Better get used to it. Daniel Jones will not be at Duke next season. This game won't change that. Duke will be in full rebuilding mode next season. 7-3 may look as unattainable as a Victoria Secret model.

6-6 next year would be a great goal with our schedule and young team

CrazyNotCrazie
11-24-2018, 05:29 PM
I saw a lot of stinkers at Duke in the late 90s but those teams had very little talent. The wins earlier this year demonstrated that we have talent and the injuries did not have this much of an impact. Very frustrating.

subzero02
11-24-2018, 05:49 PM
Duke has opened as a 12.5 points favorite in Vegas.

Vegas missed this one...

HereBeforeCoachK
11-24-2018, 05:54 PM
Vegas missed this one...

Not necessarily. Vegas is trying to get an equal amount of money on each side of the bet.....they are NOT trying to predict the score. Only they know how they came out on that measurement.

Bob Green
11-24-2018, 06:23 PM
I'll start with the good: the Green Family is back home safe and sound, and Mrs. Green does not appear to be mad at me for making her sit in the cold and rain. We left with 2 minutes left in the 1st half.

Next...well there is no next as I am going to skip the bad and the ugly.

martydoesntfoul
11-24-2018, 06:35 PM
I'll start with the good: the Green Family is back home safe and sound, and Mrs. Green does not appear to be mad at me for making her sit in the cold and rain. We left with 2 minutes left in the 1st half.

Next...well there is no next as I am going to skip the bad and the ugly. Nicodem Pierre led the team in rushing!?

jwillfan
11-24-2018, 06:43 PM
Nicodem Pierre led the team in rushing!?

I would say that's a good - good for that young man to be able to contribute on his senior day; he's been an unselfish part of the program since he's been here.

subzero02
11-24-2018, 07:12 PM
Not necessarily. Vegas is trying to get an equal amount of money on each side of the bet...they are NOT trying to predict the score. Only they know how they came out on that measurement.

The line opened at -12.5, it closed at -10. According to the line movement, money was favoring wake forest essentially throughout the betting process and it was probably skewed enough to cost Vegas some money. Given the outcome, I think it's pretty easy to say that Vegas missed this one. A smaller initial line would've been the correct call here.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/las-vegas/line-movement/wake-forest-@-duke.cfm/date/11-24-18/time/1230#BT

DU82
11-24-2018, 07:36 PM
Nicodem Pierre led the team in rushing!?

Yea, but he hurt his shoulder on his longest run and had to come out.

Faison1
11-24-2018, 08:34 PM
Looking at today's ACC results, pretty much everything fell into place to get to a Tier 1 Bowl....except for us actually showing up on the field.

What a shame!!! A season of "What Might Have Been".....

Jedweb
11-24-2018, 08:44 PM
I'm a first time poster (and proud digital Luddite, so i expect I'll foul up the post somehow) - but i've read the board since its inception. Having started my Duke undergraduate career while Bill Murray was football coach, and finished at Duke Law during the tenure of the forgettable Tom Harp, i've watched a lot of Duke football. More disappointing than exhilarating, unfortunately, but few games more disheartening than today. I view the Northwestern game as this year's best. it seems that when Duke has had an opportunity to make a statement at home, the team has just mailed it in: VT, UVa and (good grief) Wake Forest. While a win is a win, in my view even the victory over uncch was a disappointment with Duke putting its offense in the deep freeze with well over half the fourth quarter left to play - as if a two touchdown lead is secure. And, in fact, the issue was not settled until the batting down of a Hail Mary on the last play. I hoped that the team was disappointed in its effort - team including coaches who contributed to the execrable clock management. Anyway, today's non effort was absolutely the worst thing that could have happened, absent injury to more key players, if there were any still uninjured. Question: does anyone know whether the team can decline an invitation to a bowl? If the option is available, and if there is any pride left, the guys ought to say, thanks, but no thanks to an invitation. I cannot believe that they can accept with pleasure if there is any self respect left.

aGDevil2k
11-24-2018, 08:46 PM
I posted this on another forum, but I did some research on the epic failure of today...

To put some context on this historic loss (and it was):

This ties for the third worst loss in Duke football history, unless I missed any in scanning season by season records going back to the 1800s
This was the worst loss for Duke EVER against a team outside of the top 10 (let alone top 25 or vs a team with a losing record coming into the game).

Other relevant losses in history:
Duke 0 - #1 Notre Dame 64 (1964)
Duke 0 - #10 Virginia 59 (1990)
Duke 0 - #4 Michigan 52 (1978) - tied for today for 3rd place.



All of this against a team just as injured as we were, at home, and 5-6. It was inexcusable.

aGDevil2k
11-24-2018, 08:52 PM
Just looking through the records, it is the worse loss in the Cut Era. Worse even than the Alabama, FSU and Stanford games. What the heck was that? Clearly we have a huge drop off behind Humphreys and JGH, but our defense should have never given up 52 points to Wake even with the turnovers. That was just a mess. I don't remember seeing tackling that bad in a college game. We made the Wake RB look like hall of famer. As others were pointing out, we never really hit anyone - we just grabbed and hugged them. I am absolutely shocked. As others have also noted, the injuries on defense don't explain out offense today, and it was a team effort on offense - Jones, the receivers, the RBs, the line, across the board. You would think that Wake was in the running for the playoffs.

As others have noted, this doesn't feel like just one bad lose. After Cut's comments after the second half of the Wake game, I was expecting the team to come out fired up. We looked terrible right from the first snap. Anyone have any insight?


As I commented above, it was indeed the worst loss of his era. Goldsmith, Franks and Roof never had a loss this bad.


I will always be grateful to Cutcliffe. But today, I lost faith in him.

Jedweb
11-24-2018, 08:53 PM
I knew some guys on the team that lost to Notre Dame 64 - 0 in 1966. Bob Matheson, a linebacker later of Miami Dolphin 53 defense fame, told me that ND's third string guard was the best player he'd faced in college except for the two guards who played in front of him. There was a big talent disparity, unlike today's Duke-WF game. And, the 1966 Duke team went to Chapel Hill the following weekend and upset Carolina. Ara Parseghian noted the win and called or telegrammed or something, congratulating Duke on a victory after it had been so badly mashed the previous year. Notre Dame was a far more talented team. No one can say that about today's opponent.

jv001
11-24-2018, 09:50 PM
I thought Harris threw the ball well after replacing Daniel at the end of the game. Oh, wait. I must be thinking of another game.:confused: GoDuke!

Devilwin
11-24-2018, 10:15 PM
Just stunned by the lack of fight in our team. Like, we didn't even care if we won or lost. Inexcusable. And, like an earlier poster remarked, maybe we should decline a bowl invitation. The team we saw today could get beat 80-0 by a decent team, and I do not want to see that.
And lets stop the D Jones leaving for the NFL talk. . He was really bad today.:mad::mad::mad:

HereBeforeCoachK
11-24-2018, 10:17 PM
Just stunned by the lack of fight in our team. Like, we didn't even care if we won or lost. Inexcusable. And, like an earlier poster remarked, maybe we should decline a bowl invitation. The team we saw today could get beat 80-0 by a decent team, and I do not want to see that.
And lets stop the D Jones leaving for the NFL. He was really bad today.:mad::mad::mad:

I understand the idea of declining a bowl invitation.....but you can't.....you can't end the season getting blown out 59-7. You just can't.

And I agree on Jones. BTW the Gamecock's QB has over 400 yards passing tonight versus Clemson

Devilwin
11-24-2018, 10:34 PM
I don't really want to see a declined invite, but would we see the Duke team that beat Northwestern, or the one we saw today? If we went to a bowl and got clobbered again, all this "Coach has lost control of the team" talk would start, and no one can say with a straight face that this man has not done wonders for Duke football. But what we saw today was confusing to me. As a military veteran, we are taught to give your all, all the time. What we saw today was not even close to an effort, period, much less our best effort. And losing at home again??? No wonder there's so many empty seats.

Devilwin
11-24-2018, 10:39 PM
Our offense has scored exactly 20 points in the last ten quarters..Horrible.

OZZIE4DUKE
11-24-2018, 10:43 PM
That was one ugly effort today. Not much else to say about it. Only thing that made going worth the effort was our tailgate, even in the rain!

Ow, let’s regroup and win the bowl game! LGD GTHc!

Reilly
11-24-2018, 10:48 PM
Duke gave up 59 in a season-ending home game in 2000, and did so again today. The 2000 game may have been the coldest I've ever attended at Duke, that I recall.

I was impressed the band and cheerleaders were in full force today -- quite the effort to post on T'giving weekend. The band is better than any in my memory.

Nice of President Price (and his wife?) to greet the graduating seniors as they ran onto the field.

In Cut's radio post-game interview, he was not giving "coachspeak" answers -- he was angry about not taking the fight to the opponent for 60 minutes, and not putting on more steam when the breaks of the game went against us.

Wander
11-24-2018, 11:14 PM
Overall, the season was average. Not good, not horrible. Just average.

Losing at Clemson is meaningless, and then we went 5-3 in the should-be-competitive games. That's a little better than expected, but it's canceled out by losing (badly) 1 of the 3 home games that should have been definite wins.

The game today was embarrassing and terrible – I'm not here to tell you it wasn't, or that things are OK with the team. Cutcliffe needs to think hard about potential changes to the staff, figure out long-term strategies to play better in November, and upgrade our horrendous WRs. And Duke needs to figure something out about our pathetic home field non-advantage.

But it's good to remember that the over/under on wins this year for Duke was 6.5. The stuff about Duke going 11-1 if we were healthy is silly.

hallcity
11-24-2018, 11:20 PM
Overall, the season was average. Not good, not horrible. Just average.


I’m glad this is what passes for average for Duke football today. The WFU loss, however, has to be one of the worst in Duke football history.

PackMan97
11-24-2018, 11:28 PM
Looking at today's ACC results, pretty much everything fell into place to get to a Tier 1 Bowl...except for us actually showing up on the field.

What a shame!!! A season of "What Might Have Been"....

As a State fan, I understand more than you can know.

Sixthman
11-25-2018, 12:03 AM
I'm a first time poster (and proud digital Luddite, so i expect I'll foul up the post somehow) - but i've read the board since its inception. Having started my Duke undergraduate career while Bill Murray was football coach, and finished at Duke Law during the tenure of the forgettable Tom Harp, i've watched a lot of Duke football. More disappointing than exhilarating, unfortunately, but few games more disheartening than today. I view the Northwestern game as this year's best. it seems that when Duke has had an opportunity to make a statement at home, the team has just mailed it in: VT, UVa and (good grief) Wake Forest. While a win is a win, in my view even the victory over uncch was a disappointment with Duke putting its offense in the deep freeze with well over half the fourth quarter left to play - as if a two touchdown lead is secure. And, in fact, the issue was not settled until the batting down of a Hail Mary on the last play. I hoped that the team was disappointed in its effort - team including coaches who contributed to the execrable clock management. Anyway, today's non effort was absolutely the worst thing that could have happened, absent injury to more key players, if there were any still uninjured. Question: does anyone know whether the team can decline an invitation to a bowl? If the option is available, and if there is any pride left, the guys ought to say, thanks, but no thanks to an invitation. I cannot believe that they can accept with pleasure if there is any self respect left.

I share your thoughts about our repeatedly missing the opportunity to make a statement at home. I am sure the team was disappointed in its effort and Cut made clear in his post game interview that he was as well. As poetic as rejected a bowl bid might be, we don't want to do that. The most important thing that comes with a lower tier bowl bid is the opportunity for an extra month of extended practice which is not available to teams not going to bowls. My take: we need the practice.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-25-2018, 06:26 AM
The game today was embarrassing and terrible –. And Duke needs to figure something out about our pathetic home field non-advantage.

.

That last point may not be solvable. Duke just spent mega millions on the stadium, and apparently trying to enhance the home field advantage was not even in the equation.

Devilwin
11-25-2018, 06:58 AM
That last point may not be solvable. Duke just spent mega millions on the stadium, and apparently trying to enhance the home field advantage was not even in the equation.

So much for "If you build it they will come". But the ghosts of Tipton and Company could have stopped Wake..

arnie
11-25-2018, 07:10 AM
That last point may not be solvable. Duke just spent mega millions on the stadium, and apparently trying to enhance the home field advantage was not even in the equation.

That as well as access to parking lots if you’re not a season ticket holder. Of course with yesterday’s attendance, finding a parking space may have been easy😕. Other than Duke magically becoming a football power and as long as all meaningful Duke games are televised, I’m not sure there is a way to bring in fans.

My biggest concern over the game yesterday is losing the current recruiting class. Hopefully, the commits weren’t paying attention during Thanksgiving.

CarrotTD
11-25-2018, 07:27 AM
Other than Duke magically becoming a football power and as long as all meaningful Duke games are televised, I’m not sure there is a way to bring in fans.

I thought the "students get in free" promotion was a great idea - although it appears that very few took advantage of it.

I attend most home games, and even went down to Clemson last week to view the game there. It's striking to see the huge difference between a large, full stadium and what we get for most home games. As has been covered in other threads, it's a bit of a chicken and egg problem - if the team is going to underperform at home against equal competition, they're not going to get the attendance that might motivate better performance.

Still, no one in the locker room should be surprised at the number of fans in the stadium. If that's one of the reasons for coming out so flat, the coaching staff needs to find a way to move past it.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-25-2018, 07:56 AM
That as well as access to parking lots if you’re not a season ticket holder. Of course with yesterday’s attendance, finding a parking space may have been easy��. Other than Duke magically becoming a football power and as long as all meaningful Duke games are televised, I’m not sure there is a way to bring in fans.

My biggest concern over the game yesterday is losing the current recruiting class. Hopefully, the commits weren’t paying attention during Thanksgiving.

I too am worried about de-commits after this past Saturday. Some of it is just bad luck...awful weather, cold, rainy - depressing a fan base that is already small (local alum base not big). Speaking of that demographic situation, I think the stadium renovation project should have been aimed at one thing primarily - how to make 20-25,000 attendance a good atmosphere. Cameron is by far the smallest arena of any big time program, and yet, revered as the greatest atmosphere. And it was a great atmosphere before Duke was a power, and before it had the reputation it has now.

I've thought about this for decades as a Duke fan. The lesson seems to have been totally lost on the planners for Wade.

There are many football stadiums that accomplish this, but to do so with Wade's footprint would have required an emphasis on atmosphere and intimacy over aesthetics. Think 30-35 capacity, not 44. Perhaps this was not doable. The only way to do it would be to have used the existing stadium as merely a foundation for seating that would be both steeper and closer to the field- many with more bleacher type seating than seat backs. (bleacher type brings the foot stomp into play as a noise factor). Maybe have the ability to wipe out the end zone seating with a tarp or what have you (this is done several places)...do something so the game is not so easy to see while NOT in a seat.

The key should've been how to make 25,000 a nice exciting atmosphere...to "right size" the stadium. An invigorating atmosphere brings people back. Atmosphere helps the home team. Atmosphere helps recruiting. You cannot have consistent success without good home atmosphere. In any sport. The arena/stadium is a major part of the program. Now we have Wade, a very pretty stadium, with a press box/donor box that belongs on a 100,000 seat stadium. But still no atmosphere. Missed opp.

rsvman
11-25-2018, 09:01 AM
I was really proud of this team after the first quarter of the Clemson game.

How they went from that to this is baffling.

Bob Green
11-25-2018, 09:03 AM
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OldPhiKap
11-25-2018, 09:10 AM
I was really proud of this team after the first quarter of the Clemson game.

How they went from that to this is baffling.

I’m at a loss. That performance was SO unexpected.

The optimist in me looks at tOSU going into Purdue a huge favorite in early October; getting absolutely humiliated; then coming together in a strong way. Even really good teams lay an egg. Physically beat up, emotional for senior day, no one in the stands, El Niño, cue the litany of Jake Blues’ excuses to Carrie Fisher. But all of that is just on hope.

The flip side, though, doesn’t register either. It is hard for me to think everyone just quit, or that there is some major disruption. That just doesn’t fit character of the coaches or the players, and there has not been a peep of it AFAIK until a cryptic tweet that was immediately taken down. Not enough for me to upend my thoughts on the program.

So, what the hell happened? I’m truly baffled.

(Edit to add — Bob posted his message above while I was typing. Hope this isn’t Aunt Ethel-ish. I’m truly puzzled).

ChillinDuke
11-25-2018, 09:22 AM
I didn't watch the game but suspect this was one of those baffling games where we played terrible and then gave up, amongst other factors.

I'm willing to chalk it up to bizarro world. Although the deleted tweet does concern me a bit.

- Chillin

Reilly
11-25-2018, 09:48 AM
... So, what the hell happened? I’m truly baffled ...

It was a combination of things, seems to me. WFU was desperate and focused and physical. Duke was not, perhaps distracted by Thanksgiving, by lots of friends/family around for the holiday and senior day, by the weather, by being secure in its bowl eligibility, who knows what. One thing that struck me during the game was the number of Duke players grabbing for jackets -- shades of Ace Boone on the sidelines v UNC. I thought at that moment how hard our guys fought in that extreme heat in Waco (and also thought how many of our guys are from Georgia). I was heartened when BH34 started but guess that was just a nod to senior day(?) ... was the plan just to play a few plays ... or did he re-injure during the game?

DJ has a bum ankle hurt more during the game and Harding speculated that affected his accuracy.

I saw Renfree (ultimately an NFL QB) throw 5 INTs when we lost to Army when favored by 10. Army. DJ had a similar sort of unfocused performance.

And it was one of those games where things went against us and snowballed. What if Deon had not fumbled early, deep in own territory. On several of their big, early completions, it seemed our guys were right there getting ready to take down their QB, and to his great credit, he showed toughness and courage and made the plays. But we were close. You giftwrap two TDs for the opponent, it'll be an uphill day.

This 2018 Duke team showed, at Miami and at Baylor, as much grit and as much fight as any Duke team that I can recall. So, yes, yesterday was baffling, given the intensity and willpower we know they are capable of. Let's bring it to the bowl.

aGDevil2k
11-25-2018, 11:04 AM
Regarding the crowd, Duke must get wise in pricing our tickets for supply and demand.

Also, this Wake game needs to be moved to Friday. Do not have it on the same day as State/UNC.

We are acting like this is the 90s where few games are on TV. Now every game is. Only the biggest schools are filling up stadiums.

AustinDevil
11-25-2018, 11:10 AM
Regarding the crowd, Duke must get wise in pricing our tickets for supply and demand.

Also, this Wake game needs to be moved to Friday. Do not have it on the same day as State/UNC.

We are acting like this is the 90s where few games are on TV. Now every game is. Only the biggest schools are filling up stadiums.

The #1 thing that Duke can and should do to improve the crowds is to sell alcohol. Period. Full stop. It is baffling that Duke refuses to do this.

Regarding Friday/Saturday, you are correct, but it also is in no way Duke's decision.

fuse
11-25-2018, 11:24 AM
The #1 thing that Duke can and should do to improve the crowds is to sell alcohol. Period. Full stop. It is baffling that Duke refuses to do this.

Regarding Friday/Saturday, you are correct, but it also is in no way Duke's decision.

While I would second the alcohol sales, I’d also say make all non-box seats general admission, and free.
Duke can’t be making any money on football admissions, and would easily make it up on concessions.

DU82
11-25-2018, 11:25 AM
That as well as access to parking lots if you’re not a season ticket holder.

General parking was free all season, and there were ample signs helping fans find the Circuit Lot. About a 10-15 minute walk.

jwillfan
11-25-2018, 11:25 AM
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Thanks. Not the venue, maybe another thread or even off-topic board. I have similar opinions but see how I keep them to myself?

arnie
11-25-2018, 11:37 AM
General parking was free all season, and there were ample signs helping fans find the Circuit Lot. About a 10-15 minute walk.

I didn’t know that! I’ve had so many issues getting to parking areas in the past (even with the pass), I stopped going 2 years ago. I’ll try a game next year.

Acymetric
11-25-2018, 12:56 PM
I didn't watch the game but suspect this was one of those baffling games where we played terrible and then gave up, amongst other factors.

I'm willing to chalk it up to bizarro world. Although the deleted tweet does concern me a bit.

- Chillin

There are some cryptic tweets from Terelle Lucas and TJ Rahming from earlier in the week. There is definitely a rift between some of the players or between some of the players and some of the coaches. Hard to say which but hopefully Cut can get it sorted out.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-25-2018, 01:26 PM
There are some cryptic tweets from Terelle Lucas and TJ Rahming from earlier in the week. There is definitely a rift between some of the players or between some of the players and some of the coaches. Hard to say which but hopefully Cut can get it sorted out.

Is Rahming's tweet still out there? Or Lucas's? (I couldn't find it with a quick search). This on top of Gilbert's tweet - and the odd and awful performance yesterday - is a red flag indeed.

moonpie23
11-25-2018, 01:27 PM
an old mentor once told me that, "you can take the best thing anyone has said about you, and duct tape it to the worst thing anyone has said about you, and throw them both in the dumpster.....it's what's in the middle that counts".......

i'm gonna go with that......

Devil549
11-25-2018, 01:31 PM
You are never as good as you think you are or as bad as I tell you that you are.

Miami beat PITT, UVA gave one away vs VT and unc gave NCSU all they wanted. You win on the field not on social media.

devildeac
11-25-2018, 02:15 PM
Steve Wiseman's article in the N&O this AM:

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article221904625.html

A player must have been reading DBR:rolleyes::

“Those three-and-outs really put the nail in the coffin,” Duke redshirt senior left guard Zach Harmon said. “We didn’t progress the ball at all on offense. We had dropped passes. Bad protection. Some bad throws. Some bad reads. Just an all-around bad performance.”

jimsumner
11-25-2018, 03:13 PM
I was heartened when BH34 started but guess that was just a nod to senior day(?) ... was the plan just to play a few plays ... or did he re-injure during the game?



Humphreys practiced on Thursday and felt pretty good. The plan was for him to dress out, warm up and see how he felt.

He decided to make a go of it. But after a few plays, he realized he was not going to be able to help the team and pulled himself. It was his decision.

If Duke had their druthers, they would never host a game on Thanksgiving weekend. The already small student fan base is away from Duke for the holidays and relatively few live within easy driving distance. Much of the rest of the fan base is likewise at grandmother's house or skiing in Aspen, or whatever.


Then throw in a rainy, chilly 12:30 start. I'm sure some folks with a two-hour drive just looked at the radar and said why bother. Duke does not have a football culture that plans Thanksgiving around football and it does not have a football culture where fans look at rain-in-the-40s and says let's-get-the-rain-in-the-40s-clothes out and leave a little early.


An unfortunate combination of events. Everyone I talked to after the game had some variation of "we have to create our own energy." Other teams can rely on their home fan base to generate at least some energy. The unfortunate reality is that Duke does not have the same home-field advantage as their peer schools.

And if I knew how to fix it, I would get Duke to pay me big bucks to fix it.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-25-2018, 05:56 PM
If Duke had their druthers, they would never host a game on Thanksgiving weekend. The already small student fan base is away from Duke for the holidays and relatively few live within easy driving distance. Much of the rest of the fan base is likewise at grandmother's house or skiing in Aspen, or whatever.

Then throw in a rainy, chilly 12:30 start. I'm sure some folks with a two-hour drive just looked at the radar and said why bother. Duke does not have a football culture that plans Thanksgiving around football and it does not have a football culture where fans look at rain-in-the-40s and says let's-get-the-rain-in-the-40s-clothes out and leave a little early.

An unfortunate combination of events.

That's it...a combination as mentioned above = the perfect storm...and I'd add the factor that a week ago they saw Clemson Senior Day up close....this weather, crowd, etc had to be a big letdown just seven days later. And of course, it was gorgeous today!

AustinDevil
11-25-2018, 06:03 PM
That's it...a combination as mentioned above = the perfect storm...and I'd add the factor that a week ago they saw Clemson Senior Day up close...this weather, crowd, etc had to be a big letdown just seven days later. And of course, it was gorgeous today!

All true, except for the Senior Day part. That was yesterday for Clemson vs South Carolina.

60sDukie
11-25-2018, 06:28 PM
No, actually Senior Day at Clemson was last week. They didn’t want to have it the same day as Clemson-Carolina game.

We were part of the group that left before half time. I love Duke, love Duke football and love Duke players. After driving up the night before for the game (4 hours each way) we were so disappointed. Ordinarily even if a game isn’t going well I don’t want to leave. I always have hope that adjustments will be made and we will come through. This time my husband was rather adament. I was still hoping they might come through and I would be pleasantly surprised and could enjoy the game on replay. Alas it apparently just got worse.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-25-2018, 06:39 PM
All true, except for the Senior Day part. That was yesterday for Clemson vs South Carolina.

....uh, no, they don't use the SC game as Senior Day game. It was the Duke game....saw the introductions all during the game during breaks on TV.....

60sDukie
11-25-2018, 06:47 PM
You are correct. Don’t know what I was thinking. The Duke game WAS the game before the Clemson-Carolina game.

brlftz
11-25-2018, 07:14 PM
No, actually Senior Day at Clemson was last week. They didn’t want to have it the same day as Clemson-Carolina game.

We were part of the group that left before half time. I love Duke, love Duke football and love Duke players. After driving up the night before for the game (4 hours each way) we were so disappointed. Ordinarily even if a game isn’t going well I don’t want to leave. I always have hope that adjustments will be made and we will come through. This time my husband was rather adament. I was still hoping they might come through and I would be pleasantly surprised and could enjoy the game on replay. Alas it apparently just got worse.

I wonder how many players know that there are families like yours. Even if there aren't a LOT of people in the Duke family, the ones we have are devoted and appreciative more than they realize. It's like we need a letter writing campaign.

60sDukie
11-25-2018, 09:11 PM
I think that is a good idea. Maybe a letter wishing them luck in the bowl game? Perhaps better than telling them how disappointed we were. Where should we send it?

OldPhiKap
11-25-2018, 09:20 PM
I think that is a good idea. Maybe a letter wishing them luck in the bowl game? Perhaps better than telling them how disappointed we were. Where should we send it?

Exactly.

SamHouston
11-26-2018, 06:34 AM
Humphreys practiced on Thursday and felt pretty good. The plan was for him to dress out, warm up and see how he felt.

He decided to make a go of it. But after a few plays, he realized he was not going to be able to help the team and pulled himself. It was his decision.

If Duke had their druthers, they would never host a game on Thanksgiving weekend. The already small student fan base is away from Duke for the holidays and relatively few live within easy driving distance. Much of the rest of the fan base is likewise at grandmother's house or skiing in Aspen, or whatever.


Then throw in a rainy, chilly 12:30 start. I'm sure some folks with a two-hour drive just looked at the radar and said why bother. Duke does not have a football culture that plans Thanksgiving around football and it does not have a football culture where fans look at rain-in-the-40s and says let's-get-the-rain-in-the-40s-clothes out and leave a little early.


An unfortunate combination of events. Everyone I talked to after the game had some variation of "we have to create our own energy." Other teams can rely on their home fan base to generate at least some energy. The unfortunate reality is that Duke does not have the same home-field advantage as their peer schools.

And if I knew how to fix it, I would get Duke to pay me big bucks to fix it.

Here is an easy way to fix this: Play 10 games. The smaller universities in the Power Five do not fit in the economic system of major college football. The more I think about this, the more absurd it gets.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-26-2018, 06:47 AM
Here is an easy way to fix this: Play 10 games. The smaller universities in the Power Five do not fit in the economic system of major college football. The more I think about this, the more absurd it gets.

Your statement that "the smaller universities in the Power Five do not fit the economic system" is pretty dead on. Obviously it is only the conference contracts and pay outs that even make it possible now for smaller universities in this world.

That said, not sure what playing only ten games would accomplish. That wouldn't reduce the fixed overhead of running a program at all, or very very little. It would simply reduce revenues. And it would mean dropping out of even playing Power Five football...which would have a devastating domino effect. I think you could say that Duke, Wake, Miami, Baylor, SMU, etc - are caught in a bit of a catch 22 vice.

There are two necessary elements to changing this at Duke. One is the right coach, and I think they've done that. The other will not be done IMO.

RaiderDevil
11-26-2018, 07:33 AM
No, actually Senior Day at Clemson was last week. They didn’t want to have it the same day as Clemson-Carolina game.

We were part of the group that left before half time. I love Duke, love Duke football and love Duke players. After driving up the night before for the game (4 hours each way) we were so disappointed. Ordinarily even if a game isn’t going well I don’t want to leave. I always have hope that adjustments will be made and we will come through. This time my husband was rather adament. I was still hoping they might come through and I would be pleasantly surprised and could enjoy the game on replay. Alas it apparently just got worse.

We drive a little over 3 hours to get to games. After sitting in the rain and cold to see the lack of effort at the Virginia game, we weren't about to do it again for Wake Forest. I wish I was disappointed in my decision.

budwom
11-26-2018, 08:41 AM
A lot of excuses (charitable IMO) being made for what was truly one of the most uninspired, dismal performances I've seen in watching 50 years of Duke football. It rained for both teams, both teams had injuries.
I missed seeing the Wake game years ago which was 42-0 at the half, after which Franks got canned, but this has to be the very worst performance since then. Wake's defense is just plain poor and we made them look great.

jv001
11-26-2018, 09:04 AM
A lot of excuses (charitable IMO) being made for what was truly one of the most uninspired, dismal performances I've seen in watching 50 years of Duke football. It rained for both teams, both teams had injuries.
I missed seeing the Wake game years ago which was 42-0 at the half, after which Franks got canned, but this has to be the very worst performance since then. Wake's defense is just plain poor and we made them look great.

I think the biggest difference: Wake was very physical and Duke didn't come close to matching that. I don't pretend to know the reason. Only the players and maybe the coaches know why. But I'm still proud of this team for being able to put a defense on the field that could compete after all the injuries. Well except for this game. As for the offense, we don't have the talent to be a top tier team. Our offensive line has been below average and our receivers even worse. I just hope the players can get right mentally before the bowl game. GoDuke!

budwom
11-26-2018, 09:19 AM
I think the biggest difference: Wake was very physical and Duke didn't come close to matching that. I don't pretend to know the reason. Only the players and maybe the coaches know why. But I'm still proud of this team for being able to put a defense on the field that could compete after all the injuries. Well except for this game. As for the offense, we don't have the talent to be a top tier team. Our offensive line has been below average and our receivers even worse. I just hope the players can get right mentally before the bowl game. GoDuke!

I largely agree, though our run defense was not that horribly depleted...we had Dimukeje and Jordan at ends, McSwain and a bunch of others at tackle...and while we do miss Humphreys and JGH, we have two experienced, highly recruited LBs in Quonsah and Hill, and we just got pushed around. Like you, I have no idea what happened....totally agree that OL and WR are just plain disappointing (very), both have lots of experience and a lot of highly recruited talent.
Cut has some work to do.

AustinDevil
11-26-2018, 10:08 AM
...uh, no, they don't use the SC game as Senior Day game. It was the Duke game...saw the introductions all during the game during breaks on TV....

Thanks, I didn't know that and I'm glad they take the opportunity to really recognize the seniors before the last non-South Carolina home game.

But calling it "Senior Day" and the seniors actually having the feeling of playing their last home game are two very, very different things. So I'll stand by my point that we were not actually facing a Clemson team that was playing with the emotion and heart of Rubbing the Rock (as it were, ahem) for the last time.

jimsumner
11-26-2018, 11:19 AM
Let me go back to last Tuesday's regular media availability.

I separately asked a couple of staffers which bowl game Duke was hoping/shooting for and was told the same thing. It doesn't matter; they're just happy to be going to a bowl.

The players had that kind of vibe. Sure, they said the right things but it didn't seem like their hearts were in it. It seems like Duke accomplished its team goals with the Miami win, which clinched a winning season. Don't get me wrong. Duke wanted to win the Wake Forest game. But I don't think they wanted it at the same visceral, fundamental level as the visiting team, fighting for its season, wanted it.

There's an old boxing axiom. Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face. Duke got hit in the face and didn't respond in any positive manner.

As for cutting back to 10 games. The TV contracts fund college football and they aren't going to pay the same amount of money for a reduced inventory. And that's what most P-5 college football games are these days. Inventory.

Troublemaker
11-26-2018, 11:35 AM
6 is the magic number in college football, and the team that came into the game with only 5 wins was certainly more motivated. Not that such an embarrassing loss should've occurred in any case.

As for not accepting a bowl bid because of this loss, that's crazy. The extra practices to prepare for the bowl game help with next season, if nothing else. But also, there's an opportunity here to end the season on a better note. An opportunity to have bowl wins in consecutive seasons for the first time in program history (and overall 3 straight bowl wins for the first time in program history, albeit non-consecutive). Hopefully the time off before the bowl games helps a little bit with the injuries.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-26-2018, 03:41 PM
Thanks, I didn't know that and I'm glad they take the opportunity to really recognize the seniors before the last non-South Carolina home game.

But calling it "Senior Day" and the seniors actually having the feeling of playing their last home game are two very, very different things. So I'll stand by my point that we were not actually facing a Clemson team that was playing with the emotion and heart of Rubbing the Rock (as it were, ahem) for the last time.

I disagree with you. The parents who were presented with flowers and hugs disagree. Dabo Swinney disagrees. The place was raucous before the game, unusual for when Duke is in town at Clemson. The SC game is an entirely different thing. Senior day would be lost in the SC game.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-26-2018, 03:47 PM
Jim S. brought up excellent points about this being Thanksgiving weekend....Duke having a small student body, much of which is out of state...and a small alum base, also much of it out of state....and absolutely zero Thanksgiving tradition for football. He's right on the freaking money with all of these.

So maybe I'm out of line, but I think Kevin White should have Cut and the football team's back on this. Thanksgiving is this early only rarely.....and certainly White should know every single fact Jim mentioned above. It's his job to know that. I don't think Swofford or any ACC coach wants to have this kind of crowd no show anywhere in the league. Off top of my head, I would think the regular season would run into Thanksgiving week about 2 years every 7, or less with Leap Years. Certainly Duke can avoid a home game those infrequent occasions. Duke is uniquely positioned to be killed by a Thanksgiving home game.

White can't control the weather, and it was awful, but I think he should be able to not have home games when the student body and the alums are out of state. Like I said, am I out of bounds here?

Reilly
11-26-2018, 04:29 PM
... I would think the regular season would run into Thanksgiving week about 2 years every 7 ...

I haven't paid close attention, but I thought that since we now play 12 games (and get a bye), that the season begins on Labor Day weekend and concludes on Thanksgiving weekend every single year.

arnie
11-26-2018, 04:29 PM
Jim S. brought up excellent points about this being Thanksgiving weekend...Duke having a small student body, much of which is out of state...and a small alum base, also much of it out of state...and absolutely zero Thanksgiving tradition for football. He's right on the freaking money with all of these.

So maybe I'm out of line, but I think Kevin White should have Cut and the football team's back on this. Thanksgiving is this early only rarely....and certainly White should know every single fact Jim mentioned above. It's his job to know that. I don't think Swofford or any ACC coach wants to have this kind of crowd no show anywhere in the league. Off top of my head, I would think the regular season would run into Thanksgiving week about 2 years every 7, or less with Leap Years. Certainly Duke can avoid a home game those infrequent occasions. Duke is uniquely positioned to be killed by a Thanksgiving home game.

White can't control the weather, and it was awful, but I think he should be able to not have home games when the student body and the alums are out of state. Like I said, am I out of bounds here?

It sure seems like we've played the Saturday after Thanksgiving a number of years in a row now. I'm not sure the NCAA schedule is set with Thanksgiving weekend as the end for most teams, but it sure seems that way. Otherwise, I agree with you completely, not a good time for Duke or even Wake Forest to host a game.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-26-2018, 04:35 PM
It sure seems like we've played the Saturday after Thanksgiving a number of years in a row now. I'm not sure the NCAA schedule is set with Thanksgiving weekend as the end for most teams, but it sure seems that way. Otherwise, I agree with you completely, not a good time for Duke or even Wake Forest to host a game.

Yep they do seem to play the Saturday after Thanksgiving most years.....I would've thought that was only in the years when Thanksgiving is early (like this year, the earliest it can be). But it's most years. Normally they are on the road however.

CrazyNotCrazie
11-26-2018, 04:52 PM
Yep they do seem to play the Saturday after Thanksgiving most years....I would've thought that was only in the years when Thanksgiving is early (like this year, the earliest it can be). But it's most years. Normally they are on the road however.

The last three years were on the road but prior to that it was pretty much every other year at home - GoDuke has all of this information very readily available - might want to do some fact checking before posting - the "ready, fire, aim" school of posting is generally discouraged here...

Stray Gator
11-26-2018, 04:53 PM
. . . Off top of my head, I would think the regular season would run into Thanksgiving week about 2 years every 7, or less with Leap Years. Certainly Duke can avoid a home game those infrequent occasions. Duke is uniquely positioned to be killed by a Thanksgiving home game.

White can't control the weather, and it was awful, but I think he should be able to not have home games when the student body and the alums are out of state. Like I said, am I out of bounds here?

I don't know about being out of bounds, but I think your underlying factual assumptions are off base. For as long as I can remember -- and that covers decades -- the college football schedule for almost all schools extends through Thanksgiving. In fact, Thanksgiving weekend is traditionally when the most intense rivalries are played: Alabama-Auburn, tOSU-Michigan, Florida-FSU, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Clemson-South Carolina, etc. Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken, but until just a few years ago, the Duke-UNC game was also played annually on Thanksgiving weekend.

As for the ability of Duke to avoid a home game on Thanksgiving weekend, I don't see how that could be feasible consistent with the standard alternating home-and-home schedule, unless the ACC office would arrange to have Duke play a different opponent on the last weekend each year so that it's always the "away" year for that matchup. Aside from the fact that TV now exercises greater control over college football schedules than conference officials (with each school's AD having even less influence), I doubt that John Swofford would be keen to do Duke any favors. Indeed, if he thinks the spectacle of Duke playing lifelessly on TV in a near-empty stadium might sway a single recruit away from Durham, former UNC QB Swofford is more likely to force Duke to play at home on Thanksgiving every year.

Devilwin
11-26-2018, 06:01 PM
I don't care if it's Senior Day, Thanksgiving Day, Labor Day, or the week of Doomsday. That kind of performance was just plain old horrible..

HereBeforeCoachK
11-26-2018, 06:18 PM
I don't care if it's Senior Day, Thanksgiving Day, Labor Day, or the week of Doomsday. That kind of performance was just plain old horrible..

Agreed...no doubt....I was referring in this instance to crowd size, or lack of it. Duke had everything working against it Saturday...from in stone demographics to bad luck, bad weather, bad timing. Those kind of days can sent recruits scrambling, really set the program back. I'm so hoping that did not happen

ns7
11-27-2018, 09:23 AM
For as long as I can remember -- and that covers decades -- the college football schedule for almost all schools extends through Thanksgiving. In fact, Thanksgiving weekend is traditionally when the most intense rivalries are played: Alabama-Auburn, tOSU-Michigan, Florida-FSU, Georgia-Georgia Tech, Clemson-South Carolina, etc. Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken, but until just a few years ago, the Duke-UNC game was also played annually on Thanksgiving weekend.


Rivalry games on Thanksgiving weekend started in 2006 when college football moved from 11 to 12 games during the regular season. Before that the rivalry games were played the week before Thanksgiving.

OldPhiKap
11-27-2018, 09:27 AM
Having the two smallest schools in the conference play on Thanksgiving weekend, when the two teams are more peers than rivals, is not a recipe for a big crowd.

But the stands in Athens and Tuscaloosa were full.

It ain't set up for us -- it's set up for them.



Hate that this was the last game of the season, the bad taste lingers. Other than needing recovery time for our walking wounded, I wish the bowl game was this Saturday. Easier to move to the next play when it is staring you in the face.

johnb
11-27-2018, 10:05 AM
Maybe Duke lacked fierce desperation and a stadium full of fans, but what they mostly missed were the Gilberts, Brittains, and Humphreys--many/most of our best players were on the sideline rather than the field, and while our recruiting is worlds better than a decade ago, our 2nd/3rd team is going to have a tough time keeping up against Power 5 teams--especially the week after getting physically bruised by a Clemson team that is loaded with NFL players. Fans focus a lot on heart and effort, but it's a lot easier to show "grit and determination" when you're simply the better player. Add in some bad breaks, and you get wipeouts.

As for scheduling, I say FBS schools should schedule 11 games rather than 12. The conference playoff for some. 8 get into the FBS playoffs, which would mean 2 teams play 15 games, which is a lot--though the same as currently. Teams that win 6 of 11 get a current bowl game, while every FBS team gets the opportunity to play an additional game--often against a local rival that they might not otherwise get to play. This puts them on a semi-level playing field in that they'd get a few extra weeks of practice.

As for attendance, the demographics work hopelessly against us. In basketball, where the attendance is great, we are #47, just behind Villanova, Wake, Vanderbilt, and Memphis. Creighton, for example, draws almost twice as many fans/game (17, 412 vs 9314).

In football, we average 27,000-again, just behind Wake Forest. 4 schools average >100,000. https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/02/college-football-attendance-rankings-five-year-biggest-average

Short of Duke becoming a highly entertaining and consistent 10 game winner (and Carolina remaining a 10 game loser--they need to play that postponed UCF game!), I don't see how we'd ever get 40,000 fans/game. Well, maybe if we scheduled Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, and Texas A&M at home for our non conference games (which might affect the 10 win possibility). https://www.quora.com/Which-college-football-fan-bases-travel-best.

OldPhiKap
11-27-2018, 10:07 AM
Maybe Duke lacked fierce desperation and a stadium full of fans, but what they mostly missed were the Gilberts, Brittains, and Humphreys--many/most of our best players were on the sideline rather than the field, and while our recruiting is worlds better than a decade ago, our 2nd/3rd team is going to have a tough time keeping up against Power 5 teams--especially the week after getting physically bruised by a Clemson team that is loaded with NFL players. Fans focus a lot on heart and effort, but it's a lot easier to show "grit and determination" when you're simply the better player. Add in some bad breaks, and you get wipeouts.

As for scheduling, I say FBS schools should schedule 11 games rather than 12. The conference playoff for some. 8 get into the FBS playoffs, which would mean 2 teams play 15 games, which is a lot--though the same as currently. Teams that win 6 of 11 get a current bowl game, while every FBS team gets the opportunity to play an additional game--often against a local rival that they might not otherwise get to play. This puts them on a semi-level playing field in that they'd get a few extra weeks of practice.

As for attendance, the demographics work hopelessly against us. In basketball, where the attendance is great, we are #47, just behind Villanova, Wake, Vanderbilt, and Memphis. Creighton, for example, draws almost twice as many fans/game (17, 412 vs 9314).

In football, we average 27,000-again, just behind Wake Forest. 4 schools average >100,000. https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/02/college-football-attendance-rankings-five-year-biggest-average

Short of Duke becoming a highly entertaining and consistent 10 game winner (and Carolina remaining a 10 game loser--they need to play that postponed UCF game!), I don't see how we'd ever get 40,000 fans/game. Well, maybe if we scheduled Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, and Texas A&M at home for our non conference games (which might affect the 10 win possibility). https://www.quora.com/Which-college-football-fan-bases-travel-best.

Anyway, I guess all of that is to say that--assuming excellent coaching/training, which we are fortunate to be able to assume--most Duke victories/attendance are decided by the personnel available to play that day (and can generally be predicted months in advance).

Just so you know, johnb, we'll have none of your facts or rational explanations here no matter how well-stated and compelling they are presented.


(This ^^^^ post, in a nutshell, is it)

budwom
11-27-2018, 10:11 AM
^ some good points, but we were less undermanned than Wake was...we had a veteran OL basically intact, most of our receivers...still couldn't do a thing. Jackson (who obviously has had a good year) had a practice fumble
go out of bounds, then bounced right back with another fumble which he lost.

The personnel available gave a solid showing vs. Clemson in the first half a week ago. The same guys were putrid on Saturday...I love following Duke football, but that performance was disgraceful, and I think too many
excuses are being made for it....but to each his or her own I guess.

Wander
11-27-2018, 10:21 AM
Maybe Duke lacked fierce desperation and a stadium full of fans, but what they mostly missed were the Gilberts, Brittains, and Humphreys--many/most of our best players were on the sideline rather than the field, and while our recruiting is worlds better than a decade ago, our 2nd/3rd team is going to have a tough time keeping up against Power 5 teams--especially the week after getting physically bruised by a Clemson team that is loaded with NFL players. Fans focus a lot on heart and effort, but it's a lot easier to show "grit and determination" when you're simply the better player. Add in some bad breaks, and you get wipeouts.

I agree that fans focus way too much on "heart and effort". They're of course important, but it's useless trying to evaluate those things unless you're around the team and attend practices, etc.

But, the rest of your paragraph doesn't apply to Duke vs Wake Forest. If we had gotten blown out by Miami or Virginia Tech, sure. But we have better individual players than Wake, and we usually recruit better than Wake these days. Even including injuries to both teams.

devildeac
11-27-2018, 10:37 AM
Having the two smallest schools in the conference play on Thanksgiving weekend, when the two teams are more peers than rivals, is not a recipe for a big crowd.

But the stands in Athens and Tuscaloosa were full.

It ain't set up for us -- it's set up for them.



Hate that this was the last game of the season, the bad taste lingers. Other than needing recovery time for our walking wounded, I wish the bowl game was this Saturday. Easier to move to the next play when it is staring you in the face.

For curiosity reasons, did anyone take note of how full (or empty) the stands were at "u"nc on Saturday? I know one of the end zones filled up pretty quickly after the game.

:rolleyes::eek:

AustinDevil
11-27-2018, 10:47 AM
Rivalry games on Thanksgiving weekend started in 2006 when college football moved from 11 to 12 games during the regular season. Before that the rivalry games were played the week before Thanksgiving.

Except for one of the biggest rivalry games of all, which, ironically, is no longer played.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-27-2018, 11:03 AM
Except for one of the biggest rivalry games of all, which, ironically, is no longer played.

...and I'm thinking you refer to Texas v A&M. Wasn't it played often the Friday of that week?

Stray Gator
11-27-2018, 11:09 AM
Rivalry games on Thanksgiving weekend started in 2006 when college football moved from 11 to 12 games during the regular season. Before that the rivalry games were played the week before Thanksgiving.

I haven't checked the past dates of all of the major rivalry games, but just for the record, I can attest from personal experience that most of the Florida-FSU games since the mid-1980s have been played on Thanksgiving weekend, and I know that many if not most of the "Iron Bowl" games between Auburn and Alabama and the "Egg Bowl" games between Ole Miss and Mississippi State have been played on Thanksgiving weekend since at least the early 1960s.

OldPhiKap
11-27-2018, 11:20 AM
For curiosity reasons, did anyone take note of how full (or empty) the stands were at "u"nc on Saturday? I know one of the end zones filled up pretty quickly after the game.

:rolleyes::eek:

Yeah, pretty empty there too.


And AFAIK, UGA and Georgia Tech have played their game Thanksgiving week for decades.

AustinDevil
11-27-2018, 12:10 PM
...and I'm thinking you refer to Texas v A&M. Wasn't it played often the Friday of that week?

Yes, Cowboys Thursday and UT-A&M Friday. Until UT built its own TV network, A&M one-upped them by leaving for the SEC, and UT refused to continue playing.

luvdahops
11-27-2018, 12:12 PM
I haven't checked the past dates of all of the major rivalry games, but just for the record, I can attest from personal experience that most of the Florida-FSU games since the mid-1980s have been played on Thanksgiving weekend, and I know that many if not most of the "Iron Bowl" games between Auburn and Alabama and the "Egg Bowl" games between Ole Miss and Mississippi State have been played on Thanksgiving weekend since at least the early 1960s.

I think it was a mix before the move to 12 games. As a Midwest native, I recall that Ohio State-Michigan and other Big Ten rivalry games were always the weekend before Thanksgiving back in the day, but Notre Dame at USC (even years only) was on Thanksgiving weekend, with USC-UCLA the weekend before. I recall Texas-Texas A&M games generally played on Thanksgiving day back then as well.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-27-2018, 12:33 PM
I think it was a mix before the move to 12 games. As a Midwest native, I recall that Ohio State-Michigan and other Big Ten rivalry games were always the weekend before Thanksgiving back in the day, but Notre Dame at USC (even years only) was on Thanksgiving weekend, with USC-UCLA the weekend before. I recall Texas-Texas A&M games generally played on Thanksgiving day back then as well.

That's my memory too.....so either we're both on top of this, or both in need of more Co Q 10 or fish oil or something.....but seems to me most of the local teams finished up and then a handful of rivalries that were always Thanksgiving games were played the next weekend. I remember watching some USC-Notre Dame games where Duke was done with football and already playing basketball (seasons didn't used to overlap much). Ditto Texas v. A&M and some others.

DU82
11-27-2018, 12:59 PM
Rivalry games on Thanksgiving weekend started in 2006 when college football moved from 11 to 12 games during the regular season. Before that the rivalry games were played the week before Thanksgiving.

Plenty of Duke-Cheater games were played on the Saturday after Thanksgiving, going back at least to 1978, the first one I was interested in.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-27-2018, 01:34 PM
Plenty of Duke-Cheater games were played on the Saturday after Thanksgiving, going back at least to 1978, the first one I was interested in.

OMG I was at Kenan for that game.....Mike Dunn the QB....seems to me Duke led most of the way before losing 16-15. Seems to me McGee was really ticked as some officiating, which of course was typical for Kenan. I had forgotten it was Thanksgiving...seemed kind of warm for season finale.

devildeac
11-27-2018, 01:40 PM
OMG I was at Kenan for that game...Mike Dunn the QB...seems to me Duke led most of the way before losing 16-15. Seems to me McGee was really ticked as some officiating, which of course was typical for Kenan. I had forgotten it was Thanksgiving...seemed kind of warm for season finale.

A friend of mine attended several of the Duke-cheats game in kenan in the mid/late 70s and routinely returned furious at the phantom calls that often occurred.

:mad:

HereBeforeCoachK
11-27-2018, 01:54 PM
A friend of mine attended several of the Duke-cheats game in kenan in the mid/late 70s and routinely returned furious at the phantom calls that often occurred.

:mad:

If I'm not mistaken (and I certainly might be) - Duke was ahead 15-3. I think that was the halftime score in fact. I remember being ahead at half. Some late Kenan shenanigans......perhaps a few too many bourbon sprites by that time to fully analyze.....but I have this vision of McGee on the sidelines going livid late. Of course, that may be the vision from the absurd 21-21 State game where they took away Troy Slade's game clinching punt return of like 85 yards. Or could be both...:cool:

devildeac
11-27-2018, 02:15 PM
If I'm not mistaken (and I certainly might be) - Duke was ahead 15-3. I think that was the halftime score in fact. I remember being ahead at half. Some late Kenan shenanigans...perhaps a few too many bourbon sprites by that time to fully analyze....but I have this vision of McGee on the sidelines going livid late. Of course, that may be the vision from the absurd 21-21 State game where they took away Troy Slade's game clinching punt return of like 85 yards. Or could be both...:cool:

One particular game I recall the story about was a higher scoring game than the 16-15 one you reference, where there wasn't a Duke defender within 3-5 yards of a cheater receiver inside the 5 yet we were flagged for PI on a Hail Mary and they got the ball with < 30 seconds to go and scored the winning TD on the next play to win by a point or two. Yea, too soon. I'm still still too po'ed to research that one. :mad:

jimsumner
11-27-2018, 02:38 PM
One particular game I recall the story about was a higher scoring game than the 16-15 one you reference, where there wasn't a Duke defender within 3-5 yards of a cheater receiver inside the 5 yet we were flagged for PI on a Hail Mary and they got the ball with < 30 seconds to go and scored the winning TD on the next play to win by a point or two. Yea, too soon. I'm still still too po'ed to research that one. :mad:

1976, Kenan

Duke 38 UNC 31, a minute or so left.

Carolina QB (Chris Kupec?) throws a long pass downfield. It's a jump ball. Carolina receiver and Duke defender jump for ball, which falls incomplete.

Incidental contact, at best.

Flag thrown. Old rules. It's about a 60-yard pass interference call.

Carolina wins 39-38.

The rules were changed a few years later, limiting PI to 15 yards. I've always wondered if this call had something to do with it.

BandAlum83
11-27-2018, 02:39 PM
No one answered my question for upthread.

Did our focus on staying out of foul trouble cause us to be less active and aggressive, causing our first half defense to be miserable?

HereBeforeCoachK
11-27-2018, 02:40 PM
1976, Kenan

Duke 38 UNC 31, a minute or so left.

Carolina QB (Chris Kupec?) throws a long pass downfield. It's a jump ball. Carolina receiver and Duke defender jump for ball, which falls incomplete.

Incidental contact, at best.

Flag thrown. Old rules. It's about a 60-yard pass interference call.

Carolina wins 39-38.

The rules were changed a few years later, limiting PI to 15 yards. I've always wondered if this call had something to do with it.

...but...but...but....Jim, it's purely coincidence that Duke lost 2 straight in Kenan by one point in the final seconds....

EDIT: WAIT WAIT...my bad......lost in 74 at Kenan 14-13 - so three straight losses at Kenan by 1 point. What are the odds?