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Reilly
10-13-2018, 10:29 PM
ND 7-0 ... Navy ... @NU .... FSU ...Syr ... @SoCal

Clemson 6-0 (3-0) ... NCSU ... @FSU ... L'ville ... @BC .... Duke ... SoCar

NCSU 5-0 (2-0) ... @Clemson ... @ Syr ... FSU ... WFU ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU (maybe)

Duke 5-1 (1-1) ... UVa ... @Pitt ...@Mia ... UNC ... @Clemson ... WFU

Mia 5-2 (2-1) .... @BC ... Duke ... @GT ... @VT ... Pitt
BC 5-2 (2-1) ... Mia ... @VT ... Clemson ... @FSU ... Syr

VT 4-2 (3-0) . ... GT ... BC ...@Pitt ... Mia ... UVa
UVa 4-2 (2-1) ... @Duke ... UNC ... Pitt ... Liberty ... @GT ... @VT
Syr 4-2 (1-2) ... UNC ... NCSU ... @WFU ... L'ville ... @ND ... @BC

FSU 3-3 (1-3) ... WFU ... Clemson ... @NCSU ... @ND ... BC ... UF
WFU 3-3 (0-2) ... @FSU ... @L'ville ... Syr ... @ NCSU ... Pitt ... @Duke

Pitt 3-4 (2-1) . ... Duke ... @UVa ... VT ... @WFU ... @Mia
GT 3-4 (1-3) .... @VT ... @UNC ... Mia ... UVa ... @UGA

L'ville 2-5 (0-4) ... WFU ... @Clemson ... @Syr ... NCSU ,,, KY

UNC 1-4 (1-2) ... @Syr ... @UVa ... GT ... @Duke ... WCu ...NCSU

buddy
10-13-2018, 10:54 PM
Best part is that with the loss of the Central Florida game, unc needs to go 5-1 in the last six to be bowl eligible. (Of course, if they had played Florida Central they still would probably have to go 5-1 in the last 6.)

Newton_14
10-13-2018, 11:10 PM
Best part is that with the loss of the Central Florida game, unc needs to go 5-1 in the last six to be bowl eligible. (Of course, if they had played Florida Central they still would probably have to go 5-1 in the last 6.)

Methinks uncCheat will not be bowling this season and Duke on the other hand will be.

CameronBornAndBred
10-13-2018, 11:16 PM
Methinks uncCheat will not be bowling this season and Duke on the other hand will be.

Methinks uncCheat will be coach shopping while our coaches enjoy some extra practices.

Newton_14
10-13-2018, 11:26 PM
Methinks uncCheat will be coach shopping while our coaches enjoy some extra practices.

Oh for sure! The Hat is toast. May get the hammer before the season ends. Mrs Newton_14 the very proud Southern Miss grad, is loving every minute of Fedora's misery too!

moonpie23
10-13-2018, 11:38 PM
dadGUMMIT i love me a vigil.....

brevity
10-14-2018, 04:38 AM
Methinks uncCheat will not be bowling this season and Duke on the other hand will be.


Methinks uncCheat will be coach shopping while our coaches enjoy some extra practices.

Coach shopping? Methinks you mean ring shopping!

8715

This time it could say "2018 ACC Citywide Champions: Broke, Enterprising, Suspended, 1-10". Maybe 2-9 if you like their chances at home against Western Carolina.

Reilly
10-20-2018, 08:12 PM
Duke FB: Bowl vigil

ND 7-0 ... Navy ... @NU ... FSU ...Syr ... @SoCal
Clemson 7-0 (4-0) ... @FSU ... L'ville ... @BC ... Duke ... SoCar

NCSU 5-1 (2-1) . ... @ Syr ... FSU ... WFU ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU (maybe)

UVa 5-2 (3-1) ... UNC ... Pitt ... Liberty ... @GT ... @VT
Mia 5-2 (2-1) ... @BC ... Duke ... @GT ... @VT ... Pitt
BC 5-2 (2-1) ... Mia ... @VT ... Clemson ... @FSU ... Syr
Syr 5-2 (2-2) ... NCSU ... @WFU ... L'ville ... @ND ... @BC
Duke 5-2 (1-2) ... @Pitt ...@Mia ... UNC ... @Clemson ... WFU

VT 4-2 (3-0) . ... GT ... BC ...@Pitt ... Mia ... UVa

FSU 4-3 (2-3) ... Clemson ... @NCSU ... @ND ... BC ... UF

Pitt 3-4 (2-1) . ... Duke ... @UVa ... VT ... @WFU ... @Mia
GT 3-4 (1-3) ... @VT ... @UNC ... Mia ... UVa ... @UGA
WFU 3-4 (0-3) ... @L'ville ... Syr ... @ NCSU ... Pitt ... @Duke

L'ville 2-5 (0-4) ... WFU ... @Clemson ... @Syr ... NCSU ,,, KY

UNC 1-5 (1-3) ... @UVa ... GT ... @Duke ... WCu ...NCSU

Reilly
10-25-2018, 11:04 PM
Duke FB: Bowl vigil

ND 7-0 ... Navy ... @NU ... FSU ...Syr ... @SoCal
Clemson 7-0 (4-0) ... @FSU ... L'ville ... @BC ... Duke ... SoCar

NCSU 5-1 (2-1) . ... @ Syr ... FSU ... WFU ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU (maybe)

UVa 5-2 (3-1) ... UNC ... Pitt ... Liberty ... @GT ... @VT
Mia 5-2 (2-1) ... @BC ... Duke ... @GT ... @VT ... Pitt
BC 5-2 (2-1) ... Mia ... @VT ... Clemson ... @FSU ... Syr
Syr 5-2 (2-2) ... NCSU ... @WFU ... L'ville ... @ND ... @BC
Duke 5-2 (1-2) ... @Pitt ...@Mia ... UNC ... @Clemson ... WFU

VT 4-3 (3-1) ... BC ...@Pitt ... Mia ... UVa
FSU 4-3 (2-3) ... Clemson ... @NCSU ... @ND ... BC ... UF

GT 4-4 (2-3) ... @UNC ... Mia ... UVa ... @UGA

Pitt 3-4 (2-1) . ... Duke ... @UVa ... VT ... @WFU ... @Mia
WFU 3-4 (0-3) ... @L'ville ... Syr ... @ NCSU ... Pitt ... @Duke

L'ville 2-5 (0-4) ... WFU ... @Clemson ... @Syr ... NCSU ,,, KY

UNC 1-5 (1-3) ... @UVa ... GT ... @Duke ... WCu ...NCSU

Reilly
10-28-2018, 12:18 AM
Duke FB: Bowl vigil

ND 8-0 ... @NU ... FSU ...Syr ... @SoCal
Clemson 8-0 (5-0) ... L'ville ... @BC ... Duke ... SoCar

UVa 6-2 (4-1) ... Pitt ... Liberty ... @GT ... @VT
BC 6-2 (3-1) ... @VT ... Clemson ... @FSU ... Syr
Syr 6-2 (3-2) ... @WFU ... L'ville ... @ND ... @BC

NCSU 5-2 (2-2) ... FSU ... WFU ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU (maybe)

Mia 5-3 (2-2) ... Duke ... @GT ... @VT ... Pitt
Duke 5-3 (1-3) ...@Mia ... UNC ... @Clemson ... WFU

VT 4-3 (3-1) ... BC ...@Pitt ... Mia ... UVa

Pitt 4-4 (3-1) ... @UVa ... VT ... @WFU ... @Mia
GT 4-4 (2-3) ... @UNC ... Mia ... UVa ... @UGA
FSU 4-4 (2-4) ... @NCSU ... @ND ... BC ... UF
WFU 4-4 (1-3) ... Syr ... @ NCSU ... Pitt ... @Duke

L'ville 2-6 (0-5) ... @Clemson ... @Syr ... NCSU ,,, KY

UNC 1-6 (1-4) ... GT ... @Duke ... WCu ...NCSU

MarkD83
10-28-2018, 11:13 AM
80 teams play in bowl games and 130 teams are in the FBS. Six wins are needed to be eligible so 7 losses and a team is mathematically eliminated.

Once we get to 50 teams out we know who is bowling. There are 44 teams on the list down below.

Teams with 5 losses
Indiana Hoosiers
Eastern Michigan Eagles
Arizona Wildcats
Vanderbilt Commodores
SMU Mustangs
Tulane Green Wave
Kansas Jayhawks
Kansas State Wildcats
TCU Horned Frogs
Illinois Fighting Illini
Florida Atlantic Owls
UTSA Roadrunners
Miami (OH) RedHawks
New Mexico Lobos
Air Force Falcons
Tennessee Volunteers
East Carolina Pirates

Teams with 6 losses
UMass Minutemen
Ball State Cardinals
Colorado State Rams
Wyoming Cowboys
Navy Midshipmen
Louisville Cardinals
Nebraska Cornhuskers
UNLV Rebels
Oregon State Beavers
UCLA Bruins
Georgia State Panthers
South Alabama Jaguars
Texas State Bobcats
North Carolina Tar Heels

Teams with more than 6 losses
Old Dominion Monarchs
New Mexico State Aggies
Arkansas Razorbacks
UConn Huskies
Tulsa Golden Hurricane
Rutgers Scarlet Knights
Western Kentucky Hilltoppers
Bowling Green Falcons
Kent State Golden Flashes
San Jose State Spartans
Rice Owls
Central Michigan Chippewas
UTEP Miners

duke2x
10-28-2018, 03:53 PM
Although I hope we can at least get 6-6 to be guaranteed a bid, here is a 5-7 watch:

Northwestern 5-3
Air Force 3-5
Vanderbilt 4-5
Navy 2-6
Duke 5-3

Also of note: Army and BYU either have special agreements or take a slot away from another school. Army need 7 wins to bowl (likely at 6-2).

Reilly
11-02-2018, 11:28 PM
ND 8-0 ... @NU ... FSU ...Syr ... @SoCal
Clemson 8-0 (5-0) ... L'ville ... @BC ... Duke ... SoCar

BC 6-2 (3-1) ... @VT ... Clemson ... @FSU ... Syr
Syr 6-2 (3-2) ... @WFU ... L'ville ... @ND ... @BC

UVa 6-3 (4-2) ... Liberty ... @GT ... @VT

NCSU 5-2 (2-2) ... FSU ... WFU ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU (maybe)

Mia 5-3 (2-2) ... Duke ... @GT ... @VT ... Pitt
Duke 5-3 (1-3) ...@Mia ... UNC ... @Clemson ... WFU

Pitt 5-4 (4-1) ... VT ... @WFU ... @Mia

VT 4-3 (3-1) ... BC ...@Pitt ... Mia ... UVa

GT 4-4 (2-3) ... @UNC ... Mia ... UVa ... @UGA
FSU 4-4 (2-4) ... @NCSU ... @ND ... BC ... UF
WFU 4-4 (1-3) ... Syr ... @ NCSU ... Pitt ... @Duke

L'ville 2-6 (0-5) ... @Clemson ... @Syr ... NCSU ... KY

UNC 1-6 (1-4) ... GT ... @Duke ... WCU ...NCSU

Reilly
11-03-2018, 11:15 PM
ND 9-0 ... FSU ...Syr ... @SoCal
Clemson 9-0 (6-0) ... @BC ... Duke ... SoCar

BC 7-2 (4-1) ... Clemson ... @FSU ... Syr
Syr 7-2 (4-2) ... L'ville ... @ND ... @BC

NCSU 6-2 (3-2) ... WFU ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU (maybe)

UVa 6-3 (4-2) ... Liberty ... @GT ... @VT
Duke 6-3 (2-3) ... UNC ... @Clemson ... WFU

===============================================

Pitt 5-4 (4-1) ... VT ... @WFU ... @Mia
GT 5-4 (3-3) ... Mia ... UVa ... @UGA
Mia 5-4 (2-3) ... @GT ... @VT ... Pitt

VT 4-4 (3-2) ...@Pitt ... Mia ... UVa

FSU 4-5 (2-5) ... @ND ... BC ... UF
WFU 4-5 (1-4) ... @ NCSU ... Pitt ... @Duke

===============================================

L'ville 2-7 (0-6) ... @Syr ... NCSU ... KY

UNC 1-7 (1-5) ... @Duke ... WCU ...NCSU

duke2x
11-04-2018, 11:43 AM
Is it appropriate to change the name of this thread to "Which Bowl?" Vigil. :o

One thing working against us right now is ACC record. If we can go 4-4, we might have a chance at the last Tier 2 spot or Military Bowl.

OldPhiKap
11-04-2018, 02:11 PM
Is it appropriate to change the name of this thread to "Which Bowl?" Vigil. :o

One thing working against us right now is ACC record. If we can go 4-4, we might have a chance at the last Tier 2 spot or Military Bowl.

Or “Bowl Selection Thread” — I like the way you think.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-08-2018, 12:24 PM
Last week a few people were complaining that there was too much football being discussed on the DBR forum.......now FB has disappeared, with the Cheats kickoff now less than 48 hours away. So I thought I'd bump a FB thread back up.

Dangerous game for us.......having my Cheats paranoia....

Devil in the Blue Dress
11-08-2018, 12:30 PM
Last week a few people were complaining that there was too much football being discussed on the DBR forum...now FB has disappeared, with the Cheats kickoff now less than 48 hours away. So I thought I'd bump a FB thread back up.

Dangerous game for us...having my Cheats paranoia...

Footnote: See Williamson, Zion

OldPhiKap
11-08-2018, 12:37 PM
Footnote: See Williamson, Zion

Is he suiting up at tight end?

devildeac
11-08-2018, 01:05 PM
Is he suiting up at tight end?

He'll be both tight ends if we have the 2 TE set that Bob Green is requesting. ;)

Devil in the Blue Dress
11-08-2018, 01:20 PM
Is he suiting up at tight end?

Zion has potential at several positions. I was thinking left guard to protect Daniel's blind side.;)

swiseman
11-08-2018, 02:58 PM
Zion has potential at several positions. I was thinking left guard to protect Daniel's blind side.;)

Perhaps he could fill in for Joe Giles-Harris at linebacker for a couple of games while Joe's MCL heals. (If not, Koby Quansah and Brandon Hill will have to fill the void)

devildeac
11-08-2018, 03:04 PM
Perhaps he could fill in for Joe Giles-Harris at linebacker for a couple of games while Joe's MCL heals. (If not, Koby Quansah and Brandon Hill will have to fill the void)

Great idea!

However, way to sneak bad news in on us, Steve. :(

HereBeforeCoachK
11-08-2018, 03:06 PM
Zion has potential at several positions. I was thinking left guard to protect Daniel's blind side.;)

nah, ALL WORLD tight end....with his leaping, height and hand size/strength: totally unstoppable especially in the red zone. Think Antonio Gates but more awesome. Turbo Gronk.

swiseman
11-08-2018, 03:17 PM
Great idea!

However, way to sneak bad news in on us, Steve. :(

Nothing official from Duke. Injury reports are no more. But I wouldn't expect to see JGH, Brittain Brown or Aaron Young vs. UNC.

devildeac
11-08-2018, 03:19 PM
Nothing official from Duke. Injury reports are no more. But I wouldn't expect to see JGH, Brittain Brown or Aaron Young vs. UNC.

Kind of expecting that news. More :(:(

HereBeforeCoachK
11-08-2018, 05:09 PM
Nothing official from Duke. Injury reports are no more. But I wouldn't expect to see JGH, Brittain Brown or Aaron Young vs. UNC.

WTH did Aaron Young sprain, strain, break, fracture or what have you? He's been, I thought, week to week for months??? Hammy?

devildeac
11-08-2018, 05:13 PM
WTH did Aaron Young sprain, strain, break, fracture or what have you? He's been, I thought, week to week for months??? Hammy?

I also vaguely recall a hamstring issue from many, many weeks ago and *think* he's played in 1 game this year.

OldPhiKap
11-08-2018, 05:43 PM
I also vaguely recall a hamstring issue from many, many weeks ago and *think* he's played in 1 game this year.

He could still play in three of our last four games and keep a redshirt then, assuming that bowl games are treated the same as regular games for those purposes.

jimsumner
11-08-2018, 05:50 PM
He could still play in three of our last four games and keep a redshirt then, assuming that bowl games are treated the same as regular games for those purposes.

Young has played in two games this season.

Young has already had a non-injury redshirt, so a medical redshirt would have no advantage unless the NCAA would grant him a sixth year. And I'm not sure what grounds Duke would have to pursue one.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-08-2018, 05:54 PM
And I'm not sure what grounds Duke would have to pursue one.

...maybe not "grounds" - but the NCAA seems to be loosening up some on these kinds of issues, and doesn't hurt to ask.

jimsumner
11-08-2018, 06:04 PM
...maybe not "grounds" - but the NCAA seems to be loosening up some on these kinds of issues, and doesn't hurt to ask.

Perhaps. But I think Duke is prioritizing finishing this year strong and Young's skill set isn't really replicated by anyone else on the current roster. They want him back.

swiseman
11-08-2018, 09:24 PM
Perhaps. But I think Duke is prioritizing finishing this year strong and Young's skill set isn't really replicated by anyone else on the current roster. They want him back.

It is indeed a hamstring for Young. Hasn't been able to shake it and turn it loose. Came back for the Georgia Tech game but never felt right. Hasn't been in uniform since and didn't travel to Pitt or Miami. Reminds me very much of what Bracey (remember him? Hello?) went through in his freshman season. Hurt hammy in first practice of August and was never right.

Reilly
11-08-2018, 11:08 PM
ND 9-0 ... FSU ...Syr ... @SoCal
Clemson 9-0 (6-0) ... @BC ... Duke ... SoCar

BC 7-2 (4-1) ... Clemson ... @FSU ... Syr
Syr 7-2 (4-2) ... L'ville ... @ND ... @BC

UVa 6-3 (4-2) ... Liberty ... @GT ... @VT
NCSU 6-3 (3-3) ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU
Duke 6-3 (2-3) ... UNC ... @Clemson ... WFU

===============================================

Pitt 5-4 (4-1) ... VT ... @WFU ... @Mia
GT 5-4 (3-3) ... Mia ... UVa ... @UGA
Mia 5-4 (2-3) ... @GT ... @VT ... Pitt

WFU 5-5 (2-4) ... Pitt ... @Duke

VT 4-4 (3-2) ...@Pitt ... Mia ... UVa

FSU 4-5 (2-5) ... @ND ... BC ... UF

===============================================

L'ville 2-7 (0-6) ... @Syr ... NCSU ... KY

UNC 1-7 (1-5) ... @Duke ... WCU ...NCSU

HereBeforeCoachK
11-08-2018, 11:16 PM
Perhaps. But I think Duke is prioritizing finishing this year strong and Young's skill set isn't really replicated by anyone else on the current roster. They want him back.

This season has indeed made it painfully clear that his skill set is not replicated by anyone else. PAINFULLY CLEAR.

BigWayne
11-09-2018, 03:29 AM
State's implosion against Wake is not a happy day for our bowl prospects. State had a legitimate shot of grabbing an extra major bowl slot for the ACC by holding serve against four teams they should beat. That's gone so now they are in the way competing with Duke for the tier one bowls. In addition, they gave Wake win #5, which possibly means they will arrive in Durham thinking they are in an elimination game.

JasonEvans
11-09-2018, 09:50 AM
they gave Wake win #5, which possibly means they will arrive in Durham thinking they are in an elimination game.

Isn't Wake one of the top APR teams and likely to get a bid as a 5 win team? Or has that become less likely in recent weeks?

BigWayne
11-09-2018, 11:00 AM
Isn't Wake one of the top APR teams and likely to get a bid as a 5 win team? Or has that become less likely in recent weeks?

They would probably be able to get in with 5-7 if the slots aren't filled, but it is looking like the slots will probably get filled. There's already 52 eligible teams and there are 31 that only need one more win, the majority of which still have three games to play. A substantial number of those have games against other fellow 5 win teams, e.g. Stanford/Cal, Ole Miss/TA&M, or FCS teams, e.g. SC vs. Chattanooga.

budwom
11-09-2018, 11:28 AM
This season has indeed made it painfully clear that his skill set is not replicated by anyone else. PAINFULLY CLEAR.

Well, Garner has the getting open part down, he just has to work on the catching the ball part. Might he get only one play this season?
Now that we are down to the last three games, Cut can use more guys who haven't played, or played just once or twice, and not burn their redshirts..

DU82
11-09-2018, 11:12 PM
Well, Garner has the getting open part down, he just has to work on the catching the ball part. Might he get only one play this season?
Now that we are down to the last three games, Cut can use more guys who haven't played, or played just once or twice, and not burn their redshirts..

We have four games remaining. I wonder if some potential redshirts will only play in three games through Wake, allowing them the opportunity to play in the bowl game.

Reilly
11-10-2018, 09:54 PM
ND 9-0 ... FSU ...Syr ... @SoCal
Clemson 9-0 (6-0) ... @BC ... Duke ... SoCar

Syr 8-2 (5-2) ... @ND ... @BC

BC 7-2 (4-1) ... Clemson ... @FSU ... Syr

UVa 7-3 (4-2) ... @GT ... @VT
Duke 7-3 (3-3) ... @Clemson ... WFU

Pitt 6-4 (5-1) ... @WFU ... @Mia

NCSU 6-3 (3-3) ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU

===============================================

GT 5-4 (3-3) ... Mia ... UVa ... @UGA
Mia 5-4 (2-3) ... @GT ... @VT ... Pitt

WFU 5-5 (2-4) ... Pitt ... @Duke

VT 4-5 (3-3) ... Mia ... UVa

FSU 4-5 (2-5) ... @ND ... BC ... UF

===============================================

L'ville 2-8 (0-7) ... NCSU ... KY

UNC 1-8 (1-6) ... WCU ...NCSU

Reilly
11-10-2018, 10:11 PM
ND 9-0 ... FSU ...Syr ... @SoCal
Clemson 9-0 (6-0) ... @BC ... Duke ... SoCar

Syr 8-2 (5-2) ... @ND ... @BC

BC 7-2 (4-1) ... Clemson ... @FSU ... Syr

UVa 7-3 (4-2) ... @GT ... @VT
Duke 7-3 (3-3) ... @Clemson ... WFU

NCSU 6-3 (3-3) ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU

Pitt 6-4 (5-1) ... @WFU ... @Mia
GT 6-4 (4-3) ... UVa ... @UGA

===============================================

Mia 5-5 (2-4) ... @VT ... Pitt
WFU 5-5 (2-4) ... Pitt ... @Duke

VT 4-5 (3-3) ... Mia ... UVa

FSU 4-5 (2-5) ... @ND ... BC ... UF

===============================================

L'ville 2-8 (0-7) ... NCSU ... KY

UNC 1-8 (1-6) ... WCU ...NCSU

DtrainBuckshot
11-11-2018, 01:12 AM
So seriously..would beating Clemson hurt our bowl game if we knocked them out of final 4?

Reilly
11-11-2018, 04:30 AM
ND 10-0 ...Syr ... @SoCal
Clemson 10-0 (7-0) ... Duke ... SoCar

Syr 8-2 (5-2) ... @ND ... @BC

BC 7-3 (4-2) ... @FSU ... Syr
UVa 7-3 (4-2) ... @GT ... @VT
Duke 7-3 (3-3) ... @Clemson ... WFU

NCSU 6-3 (3-3) ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU

Pitt 6-4 (5-1) ... @WFU ... @Mia
GT 6-4 (4-3) ... UVa ... @UGA

===============================================

Mia 5-5 (2-4) ... @VT ... Pitt
WFU 5-5 (2-4) ... Pitt ... @Duke

VT 4-5 (3-3) ... Mia ... UVa

FSU 4-6 (2-6) ... BC ... UF

===============================================

L'ville 2-8 (0-7) ... NCSU ... KY

UNC 1-8 (1-6) ... WCU ... NCSU

Reilly
11-11-2018, 05:06 AM
Pitt 5-1 ... @WFU ... @Mia
UVa 4-2 ... @GT ... @VT
GT 4-3 ... UVa
Duke 3-3 ... @Clemson ... WFU
VT 3-3 ... Mia ... UVa
===============================================
Mia 2-4 ... @VT ... Pitt
UNC 1-6 ... NCSU

OldPhiKap
11-11-2018, 08:07 AM
So seriously..would beating Clemson hurt our bowl game if we knocked them out of final 4?

Interesting question, it would throw Clemson back into the conference bowl pool, but would make us much more attractive than some of our competitors below Clemson.

Reilly
11-11-2018, 08:49 AM
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2018-ratings.html

Clemson - 4
ND - 6
Syr - 25
Duke -37
UVa - 40
NCSU - 41
BC - 42
Pitt - 43
Mia - 48
GT - 55
WFU - 76
VT - 87
FSU - 92
UNC - 103
L'ville - 109

If the bowls were handed out today, would/should UVA/NCSU/BC/Pitt get a "better" bowl than Duke?

If the SRS picked the bowls ...

The ACC selection order: http://www.theacc.com/sports/2018/7/...727180307.aspx

ACC Bowl Selection Process
College Football Playoff (four teams) [Clemson]
The Capital One Orange Bowl and the Goodyear Cotton Bowl are national semifinal sites for the 2018 season. There is no limit on how many teams from one conference can appear in the CFP.

ACC Champion - Top Four CFP Ranking [Clemson]
If the ACC Champion is in the top four of the final CFP rankings, it will play in one of the national semifinal games. Additional ACC teams could also be selected for the CFP, Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl or PlayStation Fiesta Bowl as at-large representatives.

ACC Champion - Not In Top Four CFP Ranking [ND? not as champ but in NY6]
If the ACC Champion is not in the top four of the final CFP rankings, it will appear in either the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl or the PlayStation Fiesta Bowl. Additional ACC teams could also be selected for the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl or PlayStation Fiesta Bowl as at-large representatives.

Camping World Bowl [Syr]
The Camping World Bowl has the first pick of an ACC team after the CFP and New Year’s Six Bowls are filled.

Tier One Bowls (all equal selection status) -- Duke/Virginia/NCSU/BC -- we should be right at front of tier 1
Belk Bowl
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl or
TaxSlayer Gator Bowl
New Era Pinstripe Bowl
Hyundai Sun Bowl

Additional Bowls - Pitt/Mia/GT/WFU/VT
Military Bowl Presented by Northrop Grumman
Walk-On’s Independence Bowl
Quick Lane Bowl
Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl or Heart of Dallas Bowl

Secondary*
Birmingham Bowl
*If not filled by other conferences and additional ACC teams are available.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-11-2018, 08:51 AM
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2018-ratings.html

Clemson - 4
ND - 6
Syr - 25
Duke -37
UVa - 40
NCSU - 41
BC - 42
Pitt - 43
Mia - 48
GT - 55
WFU - 76
VT - 87
FSU - 92
UNC - 103
L'ville - 109

If the bowls were handed out today, would/should UVA/NCSU/BC/Pitt get a "better" bowl than Duke?

If I had to guess, UVa would because those ratings are very close and UVa won head to head. I think BC is rated too low there, and Pitt also too low. I mean it's possible they would all get a "better" bowl than Duke. The ACC dominating the standings....37 through 43....

MarkD83
11-11-2018, 09:14 AM
I decided to post the overall bowl projections here...

Who is eligible and who has been mathematically eliminated or 1 loss away
80 teams play in bowl games and 130 teams are in the FBS. Six wins are needed to be eligible so 7 losses and a team is mathematically eliminated.

There are 65 teams with 6 or more wins and 30 teams with 7 or more losses

This week I put a "watch" list up front which includes 22 teams one win away from being eligible.

There are also 10 teams 1 loss way from being out and 3 teams that could end the year at 5-6 because they lost a game to the hurricane and may want to reschedule that game

Teams almost eligible (22)
SMU
Tulane
Wake Forest
Miami (Fla.)
Maryland
Indiana
Purdue
Minnesota
Texas Tech
Baylor
Oklahoma St.
FAU
BYU
Toledo
Arizona
USC
Colorado
South Carolina
Tennessee
Ole Miss
Coastal Carolina
Louisiana

Teams that may want to reschedule a a game postponed due to the hurricane (3)
Virginia Tech
So. Miss
Akron

Teams almost out (10)
Florida St.
Illinois
TCU
Kansas St.
Charlotte
Miami (Ohio)
Wyoming
Air Force
Vanderbilt
Liberty

Teams that are in with 6 or more wins (65)
Clemson
Notre Dame
Alabama
UCF
Cincinnati
Michigan
Ohio St.
Oklahoma
UAB
Buffalo
Utah St.
Washington St.
Georgia
Syracuse
West Virginia
Army
Boise St.
Fresno St.
LSU
Troy
South Florida
Houston
Boston College
Virginia
Duke
Penn St.
Texas
Middle Tenn.
FIU
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
N. Illinois
San Diego St.
Washington
Utah
Kentucky
Florida
App. St.
Ga. Southern
Temple
Memphis
NC State
Pittsburgh
Georgia Tech
Michigan St.
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Iowa
Iowa St.
Marshall
Ohio
W. Michigan
E. Michigan
Nevada
Hawaii
Stanford
Oregon
California
Arizona St.
Missouri
Texas A&M
Auburn
Miss. State
UL-Monroe
Arkansas St.

Teams that are out with 7 or > losses (30)
Rice
C. Michigan
Connecticut
Rutgers
W. Kentucky
UTEP
San Jose St.
Tulsa
Navy
Louisville
Kent St.
Bowling Green
Oregon St.
UCLA
Arkansas
Georgia St.
South Alabama
North Carolina (and may lose their head coach?)
Massachusetts
Nebraska
Kansas
Old Dominion
UT-San Antonio
New Mexico St.
Ball St.
Colorado St.
New Mexico
UNLV
Texas St.
East Carolina

Daddylawman
11-11-2018, 09:32 AM
FWIW - Akron has reschedules 12/1 vs. South Carolina

MarkD83
11-11-2018, 09:48 AM
FWIW - Akron has reschedules 12/1 vs. South Carolina

This prompted me to see what the schedules were for the 22 teams that are almost in.

Indiana plays Purdue and Texas Tech plays Baylor so two of these teams are definitely in.

Md plays Ohio State and Penn State so the terps are definitely out...

SMU vs Memphis; Tulsa
Tulane vs Houston; Navy
Wake Forest vs Pitt; Duke
Miami (Fla.) vs VT; Pitt
Maryland vs OSU; PSU
Indiana vs Mich; Purdue
Purdue vs Wisc; Indiana
Minnesota vs Northwestern; Wisc
Texas Tech vs Kansas St.; Baylor
Baylor vs TCU; Texas Tech
Oklahoma St. vs WVU; TCU
FAU vs U. North Texas; Charlotte
BYU vs New Mex. St.; Utah
Toledo vs Kent St.; Cent. Mich.
Arizona vs Wsh. State; Ariz. St.
USC vs UCLA; Notre Dame
Colorado vs Utah; Cal
South Carolina vs Chattanoga; Clemson; Akron
Tennessee vs Missouri; Vanderbilt
Ole Miss vs Vanderbilt; Miss. State
Coastal Carolina vs Ga Southern; U.S. Ala.
Louisiana vs U.S. Ala.; U. La-Monroe

Papa John
11-11-2018, 10:09 AM
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2018-ratings.html

Clemson - 4
ND - 6
Syr - 25
Duke -37
UVa - 40
NCSU - 41
BC - 42
Pitt - 43
Mia - 48
GT - 55
WFU - 76
VT - 87
FSU - 92
UNC - 103
L'ville - 109

If the bowls were handed out today, would/should UVA/NCSU/BC/Pitt get a "better" bowl than Duke?

If the SRS picked the bowls ...

The ACC selection order: http://www.theacc.com/sports/2018/7/...727180307.aspx

ACC Bowl Selection Process
College Football Playoff (four teams) [Clemson]
The Capital One Orange Bowl and the Goodyear Cotton Bowl are national semifinal sites for the 2018 season. There is no limit on how many teams from one conference can appear in the CFP.

ACC Champion - Top Four CFP Ranking [Clemson]
If the ACC Champion is in the top four of the final CFP rankings, it will play in one of the national semifinal games. Additional ACC teams could also be selected for the CFP, Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl or PlayStation Fiesta Bowl as at-large representatives.

ACC Champion - Not In Top Four CFP Ranking [ND? not as champ but in NY6]
If the ACC Champion is not in the top four of the final CFP rankings, it will appear in either the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl or the PlayStation Fiesta Bowl. Additional ACC teams could also be selected for the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl or PlayStation Fiesta Bowl as at-large representatives.

Camping World Bowl [Syr]
The Camping World Bowl has the first pick of an ACC team after the CFP and New Year’s Six Bowls are filled.

Tier One Bowls (all equal selection status) -- Duke/Virginia/NCSU/BC -- we should be right at front of tier 1
Belk Bowl
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl or
TaxSlayer Gator Bowl
New Era Pinstripe Bowl
Hyundai Sun Bowl

Additional Bowls - Pitt/Mia/GT/WFU/VT
Military Bowl Presented by Northrop Grumman
Walk-On’s Independence Bowl
Quick Lane Bowl
Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl or Heart of Dallas Bowl

Secondary*
Birmingham Bowl
*If not filled by other conferences and additional ACC teams are available.

At the moment, Pitt has the inside track on the Coastal division title, UVa owns a head-to-head against us and BC was just ranked in the teens, so I’d say all three of those likely take better slots at the moment. NCState’s loss to Wake may have slid them below us in the pecking order. But there’s still a few weeks of football to go, so no telling how things will ultimately shake out.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-11-2018, 10:11 AM
FWIW - Akron has reschedules 12/1 vs. South Carolina

Didn't Akron join Duke as victors over NW?

OldPhiKap
11-11-2018, 11:02 AM
Great work MarkD, must spread comments . . .

JasonEvans
11-11-2018, 11:33 AM
Pitt 5-1 ... @WFU ... @Mia
UVa 4-2 ... @GT ... @VT
GT 4-3 ... UVa
Duke 3-3 ... @Clemson ... WFU
VT 3-3 ... Mia ... UVa
===============================================
Mia 2-4 ... @VT ... Pitt
UNC 1-6 ... NCSU

On the broadcast yesterday, they were showing the standings and Dave Archer said, "there's a scenario where Pitt, Virginia, Ga Tech, and Duke all end up 5-3 and in a tie. It's not a crazy scenario either."

I heard this and thought, "did he just say Duke beating Clemson isn't crazy?"

-Jason "Pitt could easily end up 7-1 in the Coastal... what an amazing turnaround they have had since earlier this season" Evans

ehdg
11-11-2018, 11:38 AM
On the broadcast yesterday, they were showing the standings and Dave Archer said, "there's a scenario where Pitt, Virginia, Ga Tech, and Duke all end up 5-3 and in a tie. It's not a crazy scenario either."

I heard this and thought, "did he just say Duke beating Clemson isn't crazy?"

-Jason "Pitt could easily end up 7-1 in the Coastal... what an amazing turnaround they have had since earlier this season" Evans

I heard the same thing Jason and just about choked on my drink!! What in the hell was he thinking or smoking to honestly believe that? I love my team and school but honestly
I'd be happy if we keep it with in 21 points against Clemson specially with how beat up our Defense is.

OldPhiKap
11-11-2018, 11:42 AM
honestly I'd be happy if we keep it with in 21 points against Clemson specially with how beat up our Defense is.

My guess is, the line will be larger than that.

But — you come to Duke for the challenges, right? No bigger one than this.

LGD!

devildeac
11-11-2018, 12:52 PM
Great work MarkD, must spread comments . . .

Covered the spork-spreading for ya'.

;)

devildeac
11-11-2018, 01:02 PM
On the broadcast yesterday, they were showing the standings and Dave Archer said, "there's a scenario where Pitt, Virginia, Ga Tech, and Duke all end up 5-3 and in a tie. It's not a crazy scenario either."

I heard this and thought, "did he just say Duke beating Clemson isn't crazy?"

-Jason "Pitt could easily end up 7-1 in the Coastal... what an amazing turnaround they have had since earlier this season" Evans

When I texted my younger son-in-law, a former FB manager, last PM about the additional injuries from the game and reminded him (unnecessarily-he's a huuuuuuge Duke FB fan) that Clemson was up next, he proposed an animal sacrifice this week to try and prevent more injuries. I had the following suggestion:

8802

:D

Indoor66
11-11-2018, 01:33 PM
he proposed an animal sacrifice this week to try and prevent more injuries. I had the following suggestion:

8802

:D

Didn't that happen yesterday?

devildeac
11-11-2018, 01:34 PM
Didn't that happen yesterday?

Different game, different purpose. Sometimes, multiple sacrifices are required. ;)

Indoor66
11-11-2018, 03:18 PM
Different game, different purpose. Sometimes, multiple sacrifices are required. ;)

I am drawing a Pentagram as I type.

Reilly
11-11-2018, 03:23 PM
At the moment, Pitt has the inside track on the Coastal division title, UVa owns a head-to-head against us and BC was just ranked in the teens, so I’d say all three of those likely take better slots at the moment. NCState’s loss to Wake may have slid them below us in the pecking order. But there’s still a few weeks of football to go, so no telling how things will ultimately shake out.

My sense is that Syr, BC, and NCSU have been getting more national love than deserved, and Duke less.

hallcity
11-11-2018, 04:16 PM
My sense is that Syr, BC, and NCSU have been getting more national love than deserved, and Duke less.

I think that Atlantic Division members get some ill-deserved national love just for being in the same division as Clemson.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-11-2018, 04:20 PM
Their two guys who do this every week....one has Duke Purdue in the Pinstripe......the other has Duke Cincy in the Military.

-jk
11-11-2018, 04:46 PM
Their two guys who do this every week...one has Duke Purdue in the Pinstripe...the other has Duke Cincy in the Military.

Two venues, each with a ton of alumni nearby to buy tix. Go figure...

-jk

HereBeforeCoachK
11-11-2018, 04:49 PM
Two venues, each with a ton of alumni nearby to buy tix. Go figure...

-jk

What kind of Duke turnout was there for the Pinstripe Bowl V Indiana?

-jk
11-11-2018, 05:05 PM
What kind of Duke turnout was there for the Pinstripe Bowl V Indiana?

Google is your friend: From GoDuke (http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=210597999), "With just two days remaining before the New Era Pinstripe Bowl, the Duke Athletics Ticket Office has sold out its allotment for the contest."

(Bowls really don't care so much about turnout, just ticket sales. Why else have bowls in cold, rainy/snowy places where no one wants to show up in bad weather?)

-jk

duke2x
11-11-2018, 05:29 PM
At the moment, Pitt has the inside track on the Coastal division title, UVa owns a head-to-head against us and BC was just ranked in the teens, so I’d say all three of those likely take better slots at the moment. NCState’s loss to Wake may have slid them below us in the pecking order. But there’s still a few weeks of football to go, so no telling how things will ultimately shake out.

We could end up anywhere between another trip to the Belk and Pinstripe, both of which I would deem a good destination for this group, and the Independence. We must beat Wake Forest and need some of the 9 team logjam to break in our favor to get a bid to the Military or higher.

Reilly
11-11-2018, 07:09 PM
... need some of the 9 team logjam to break in our favor ...

If the SRS holds (that is, higher ranked teams beat lower ranked teams in all games), the final records look like this:

ND 12-0
Clemson 12-0 (8-0)

Syr 9-3 (6-2)
UVa 9-3 (6-2)
NCSU 9-3 (5-3)

Pitt 8-4 (7-1)
BC 8-4 (5-3)
Duke 8-4 (4-4)

GT 6-6 (4-4)
Mia 6-6 (3-5)

===============================================

WFU 5-7 (2-6)

VT 4-7 (3-5)

FSU 4-8 (2-6)

L'ville 2-10 (0-8)

UNC 2-9 (1-7)

In this case, Syracuse/UVa/State/Pitt/BC/Duke would all end up 9-3 or 8-4. I just have this bad feeling that Duke would get the 6th most desirable bowl out of those 6 teams, and not be deserving of being relegated to that last-of-six status.

brevity
11-11-2018, 07:54 PM
If the SRS holds (that is, higher ranked teams beat lower ranked teams in all games), the final records look like this:

ND 12-0
Clemson 12-0 (8-0)

Syr 9-3 (6-2)
UVa 9-3 (6-2)
NCSU 9-3 (5-3)

Pitt 8-4 (7-1)
BC 8-4 (5-3)
Duke 8-4 (4-4)

GT 6-6 (4-4)
Mia 6-6 (3-5)

===============================================

WFU 5-7 (2-6)

VT 4-7 (3-5)

FSU 4-8 (2-6)

L'ville 2-10 (0-8)

UNC 2-9 (1-7)

In this case, Syracuse/UVa/State/Pitt/BC/Duke would all end up 9-3 or 8-4. I just have this bad feeling that Duke would get the 6th most desirable bowl out of those 6 teams, and not be deserving of being relegated to that last-of-six status.

Wouldn't Pitt play Clemson in the ACC Championship and be 8-5?

In the event the season shakes out this way, I'm not aware of any compelling reason to raise Duke out of that last-of-six position. Every team above them has a winning record in conference play, and none of them are notoriously bad at selling tickets. I may be missing some fine detail, but even if I am, I doubt the bowl selectors are more observant.

duke2x
11-11-2018, 08:39 PM
Wouldn't Pitt play Clemson in the ACC Championship and be 8-5? In the event the season shakes out this way, I'm not aware of any compelling reason to raise Duke out of that last-of-six position. Every team above them has a winning record in conference play, and none of them are notoriously bad at selling tickets. I may be missing some fine detail, but even if I am, I doubt the bowl selectors are more observant.

Economic impact is important along with TV ratings. The Coastal winner gets a Tier 2 spot or better for sure. The 1-win rule applies v. ND for certain, but I'm not sure if/how it applies among ACC teams. ACC record was almost the only factor last year. The real problem is GT if someone on Tier 2 wants them. Borrowing from Reilly's chart for conference games:

Pitt 5-7 (range of possible ACC wins)
Syracuse 5-6

BC 4-6
UVA 4-6

GT 4-5

Duke 3-5
NCSU 3-5
VT 3-5

Miami 2-4
Wake 2-4

FSU 2-3

devildeac
11-11-2018, 11:32 PM
If the SRS holds (that is, higher ranked teams beat lower ranked teams in all games), the final records look like this:

ND 12-0
Clemson 12-0 (8-0)

Syr 9-3 (6-2)
UVa 9-3 (6-2)
NCSU 9-3 (5-3)

Pitt 8-4 (7-1)
BC 8-4 (5-3)
Duke 8-4 (4-4)

GT 6-6 (4-4)
Mia 6-6 (3-5)

===============================================

WFU 5-7 (2-6)

VT 4-7 (3-5)

FSU 4-8 (2-6)

L'ville 2-10 (0-8)

UNC 2-9 (1-7)

In this case, Syracuse/UVa/State/Pitt/BC/Duke would all end up 9-3 or 8-4. I just have this bad feeling that Duke would get the 6th most desirable bowl out of those 6 teams, and not be deserving of being relegated to that last-of-six status.

Despite the SRS, keep in mind that NCSU still might have one more bout of nocturia they need to cleanse from their system. (sorry, Packman/PackMan/Pack Man, I just had to mention it)

:rolleyes:

YmoBeThere
11-12-2018, 06:29 AM
Summary of various bowl projections:

CBS Sports(J. Palm): Sun Bowl, Dec. 31, El Paso, TX vs. Stanford
ESPN (Bonagura): Military Bowl, Dec. 31, Annapolis, MD vs. Cincinnati
ESPN (Sherman): Pinstripe Bowl, Dec. 27, NYC, vs. Purdue
SBNation(J. Kirk): Independence Bowl, Dec. 27, Shreveport, LA vs. Stanford
Sports Illustrated (E. Single): Independence Bowl, Dec. 27, Shreveport, LA vs. Stanford

Names in parentheseswere by lines for the article discussing bowl projections.

budwom
11-12-2018, 07:37 AM
I'm happy to wait this out because there are too many variables to make a solid prediction, but don't be to surprised if State loses to unc which could theoretically bump us up a bit...OTOH, given our injuries, we
could definitely lose to a dangerous and motivated Wake team (i'm thinking they lose to Pitt and enter our tiff at desperado 5-6)..still think we should consider sending Dabo a fruit basket and candy selection noting we have a prior
commitment this weekend...(not because we're afraid to play them, but because we need time for half of our team to recuperate from various injuries)...

Reilly
11-12-2018, 08:05 AM
... NCSU still might have one more bout of nocturia ...

That would help us.

I guess we want Duke to win out and these other teams to lose as many as possible:


Syr 8-2 (5-2) ... @ND ... @BC

BC 7-3 (4-2) ... @FSU ... Syr
UVa 7-3 (4-2) ... @GT ... @VT
Duke 7-3 (3-3) ... @Clemson ... WFU

NCSU 6-3 (3-3) ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU

Pitt 6-4 (5-1) ... @WFU ... @Mia

So, root for
... ND over Syracuse
... FSU over BC
... GT over UVA
... VT over UVA
... L'ville over NCSU
... UNC over NCSU [ugh - but if it means Duke to Nashville against P5 rather than to Shreveport against non-P5, I'd hope for the State loss*]
... ECU over NCSU
... WFU over Pitt
... Mia over Pitt

* - Per the CFB rooting moral principle of double effect, this is OK (maybe). The principle of double effect in the moral tradition in CFB rooting teaches that one may perform a good CFB rooting action even if it is foreseen that a bad effect will arise only if four conditions are met: 1) The act itself must be good. 2) The only thing that one can intend is the good act, not the foreseen but unintended bad effect. 3) The good effect cannot arise from the bad effect; otherwise, one would do evil to achieve good. 4) The unintended but foreseen bad effect cannot be disproportionate to the good being performed. [#3 and #4 get a little shaky.]

Reilly
11-12-2018, 08:21 AM
So, the SEC has a tie-in to the Independence Bowl, but it's the very last bowl in its pecking order. See: http://www.secsports.com/article/18165241/bowl-selection-process

Playing an SEC school -- even a 6-6 one -- would make Independence better, if Duke relegated there. No idea if SEC poised to fill that tie-in (somebody do the math?).

Annapolis on NYE against AAC not bad, I guess.

infographic: http://a.espncdn.com/SEC/football/2018/Bowl_Selection18.jpeg

budwom
11-12-2018, 08:30 AM
That would help us.

I guess we want Duke to win out and these other teams to lose as many as possible:


Syr 8-2 (5-2) ... @ND ... @BC

BC 7-3 (4-2) ... @FSU ... Syr
UVa 7-3 (4-2) ... @GT ... @VT
Duke 7-3 (3-3) ... @Clemson ... WFU

NCSU 6-3 (3-3) ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU

Pitt 6-4 (5-1) ... @WFU ... @Mia

So, root for
... ND over Syracuse
... FSU over BC
... GT over UVA
... VT over UVA
... L'ville over NCSU
... UNC over NCSU [ugh - but if it means Duke to Nashville against P5 rather than to Shreveport against non-P5, I'd hope for the State loss*]
... ECU over NCSU
... WFU over Pitt
... Mia over Pitt

* - Per the CFB rooting moral principle of double effect, this is OK (maybe). The principle of double effect in the moral tradition in CFB rooting teaches that one may perform a good CFB rooting action even if it is foreseen that a bad effect will arise only if four conditions are met: 1) The act itself must be good. 2) The only thing that one can intend is the good act, not the foreseen but unintended bad effect. 3) The good effect cannot arise from the bad effect; otherwise, one would do evil to achieve good. 4) The unintended but foreseen bad effect cannot be disproportionate to the good being performed. [#3 and #4 get a little shaky.]


very entertaining! This is the time of year when we also run into the situation where our chances of winning a somewhat better bowl are probably (not definitely, depends on matchups) less than winning a lesser bowl ).Note how we dominated
North Illinois last year)... just gimme 8-4 and a respectable bowl (which I think that will merit) and I'm fine...
FWIW I smell unc beating the Pack, as unpredictable as that may be...never underestimate the Pack's ability to cough up a hairball.

Reilly
11-12-2018, 08:32 AM
The AAC lists its bowl tie-ins on p. 14 (p. 16 of the pdf) but doesn't list selection criteria or order (but the Military is listed first after CFP and NY6):

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/theamerican.sidearmsports.com/documents/2018/7/20/2018_Media_Guide_Web.pdf

Currently bowl eligible AAC teams:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/american/2018.html

UCF
Cincy
South Florida
Houston
Temple
Memphis

It's just feeling like Annapolis for Duke, given we haven't been there ... maybe some sort of match-up value to an academic bowl (Duke/Stanford in Sun) or Spurrier Bowl (Duke/South Carolina in Charlotte) would be attractive to those setting up the games.

HereBeforeCoachK
11-12-2018, 09:01 AM
It's just feeling like Annapolis for Duke, given we haven't been there ... maybe some sort of match-up value to an academic bowl (Duke/Stanford in Sun) or Spurrier Bowl (Duke/South Carolina in Charlotte) would be attractive to those setting up the games.

Duke SC in the Belk would probably equal a sell out....50,000 Gamecocks and 25,000 Duke fans - or something like that. We'll have to finish 8-4 to get there, and if we do, there will be a decent level of excitement.

Reilly
11-12-2018, 09:47 AM
Duke SC in the Belk would probably equal a sell out...50,000 Gamecocks and 25,000 Duke fans - or something like that. We'll have to finish 8-4 to get there, and if we do, there will be a decent level of excitement.

DJ returns home to Charlotte would be a nice story line as well.

I feel like Duke has more to offer a tier 1 bowl than Syr/BC/NCSU/Pitt/UVA -- a top-flight QB; the Duke brand; personable Cut dancing with stadium workers; a team that sings Christmas carols on the way to a bowl; BH and JGH tandem; a couple Mannings in the house; the Spurrier connection (if it's a bowl in SEC country or against an SEC team); our history of very entertaining bowl games and inspired performances ... of course I'm biased but -- other than Syr and Babers -- a bowl selecting the others (BC/NCSU/Pitt/UVa and corporate-speak Mendenhall) would be the bowl choosing a lesser experience for itself.

OldPhiKap
11-12-2018, 09:51 AM
Shouldn't the title be updated from a watch to a warning? The vigil is over.

(Or Reilly's "Bowl Projection" also works -- not sure why we have two threads on the same topic but love that it probably pisses off the "basketball only" crowd).

devildeac
11-12-2018, 10:06 AM
That would help us.

I guess we want Duke to win out and these other teams to lose as many as possible:


Syr 8-2 (5-2) ... @ND ... @BC

BC 7-3 (4-2) ... @FSU ... Syr
UVa 7-3 (4-2) ... @GT ... @VT
Duke 7-3 (3-3) ... @Clemson ... WFU

NCSU 6-3 (3-3) ... @L'ville ... @UNC ... ECU

Pitt 6-4 (5-1) ... @WFU ... @Mia

So, root for
... ND over Syracuse
... FSU over BC
... GT over UVA
... VT over UVA
... L'ville over NCSU
... UNC over NCSU [ugh - but if it means Duke to Nashville against P5 rather than to Shreveport against non-P5, I'd hope for the State loss*]
... ECU over NCSU
... WFU over Pitt
... Mia over Pitt

* - Per the CFB rooting moral principle of double effect, this is OK (maybe). The principle of double effect in the moral tradition in CFB rooting teaches that one may perform a good CFB rooting action even if it is foreseen that a bad effect will arise only if four conditions are met: 1) The act itself must be good. 2) The only thing that one can intend is the good act, not the foreseen but unintended bad effect. 3) The good effect cannot arise from the bad effect; otherwise, one would do evil to achieve good. 4) The unintended but foreseen bad effect cannot be disproportionate to the good being performed. [#3 and #4 get a little shaky.]

It certainly could happen given their history of nocturia as I've posted somewhere else but I'd never cheer for this scenario. Never.

devildeac
11-12-2018, 10:08 AM
Duke SC in the Belk would probably equal a sell out...50,000 Gamecocks and 25,000 Duke fans - or something like that. We'll have to finish 8-4 to get there, and if we do, there will be a decent level of excitement.

Maybe we could play them in Greenville, SC. You know, neutral court.

Yea, still too soon.

JasonEvans
11-12-2018, 10:38 AM
Shouldn't the title be updated from a watch to a warning? The vigil is over.

(Or Reilly's "Bowl Projection" also works -- not sure why we have two threads on the same topic but love that it probably pisses off the "basketball only" crowd).

Yeah, I am going to close this thread, the "vigil" thread. No reason for it any more. Further discussion about Duke's bowl game should go here. (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?42270-FB-Bowl-Projections)