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hallcity
10-05-2018, 01:15 PM
According to some ACC coaches (https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_153875970205013&key=1686da1044273e8a4540f89500b72810&libId=jmw9nf2y01001vmn000DAbmq4mea9&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fcsnbbs.com%2Fthread-859812.html&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwatchstadium.com%2Fnews%2Facc-coaches-vote-duke-best-job-in-conference-unc-third-best-10-04-2018%2F&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fcsnbbs.com%2Fforumdisplay.php%3F fid%3D351&title=Best%20BB%20Coaching%20Jobs%20In%20ACC&txt=Voted%20on%20by%20ACC%20coaches):
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PackMan97
10-05-2018, 01:21 PM
According to some ACC coaches (https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_153875970205013&key=1686da1044273e8a4540f89500b72810&libId=jmw9nf2y01001vmn000DAbmq4mea9&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fcsnbbs.com%2Fthread-859812.html&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwatchstadium.com%2Fnews%2Facc-coaches-vote-duke-best-job-in-conference-unc-third-best-10-04-2018%2F&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fcsnbbs.com%2Fforumdisplay.php%3F fid%3D351&title=Best%20BB%20Coaching%20Jobs%20In%20ACC&txt=Voted%20on%20by%20ACC%20coaches):
8705

LOL @ UNC's admission requirements being a 9....as if that has ever stopped them.

Poor BC there at a 15.

I'm pleased with where State is ranked. Clearly being in NC the author thinks the state of NC has the best basketball recruiting in the land with all four NC schools in the top 5 recruiting base. Hard to argue with Duke and UNC also being national brands.

devildeac
10-05-2018, 01:38 PM
According to some ACC coaches (https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_153875970205013&key=1686da1044273e8a4540f89500b72810&libId=jmw9nf2y01001vmn000DAbmq4mea9&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fcsnbbs.com%2Fthread-859812.html&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwatchstadium.com%2Fnews%2Facc-coaches-vote-duke-best-job-in-conference-unc-third-best-10-04-2018%2F&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fcsnbbs.com%2Fforumdisplay.php%3F fid%3D351&title=Best%20BB%20Coaching%20Jobs%20In%20ACC&txt=Voted%20on%20by%20ACC%20coaches):
8705

Failure to include something like "academic requirements after matriculation" certainly hurt the cheaters' ranking :rolleyes::mad:.

BandAlum83
10-05-2018, 02:26 PM
ND and WF harder admission standards? I know it's not true for the general population, but is it true for the basketball program?

An UNC better tradition than Duke? UGHHHHHH!

JasonEvans
10-05-2018, 02:30 PM
Poor BC isn't just in last place, they are 12th or worse in every single category. Ouch!

Hard to overstate how dominant Duke is in this poll. Other than academic requirements (which is something we use to our advantage in recruiting by pitching Duke as a real school where kids actually learn important stuff for the rest of their lives) Duke is #1 in 5 categories, #2 in 1, and #3 in 1.

When you look at Ga Tech's #4 in recruiting base (the state of Georgia has a ton of top basketball recruits every year), their performance on the court (and in the recruiting wars) is really inexcusable.

-Jason "Virginia #2 in facilities... I did not know they had pumped that much money into facilities but good for them!" Evans

OldPhiKap
10-05-2018, 03:01 PM
-Jason "Virginia #2 in facilities... I did not know they had pumped that much money into facilities but good for them!" Evans

I would like to see a game at the new JPJ center, it is supposed to be magnificent.

Tripping William
10-05-2018, 03:24 PM
I would like to see a game at the new JPJ center, it is supposed to be magnificent.

It's a great facility . . . . at least for concerts welcoming home the local band that made it big. :o I haven't been to an actual basketball game there, though.

duke79
10-05-2018, 03:29 PM
ND and WF harder admission standards? I know it's not true for the general population, but is it true for the basketball program?

An UNC better tradition than Duke? UGHHHHHH!

I wonder about this too. But I have to admit that I've always been somewhat cynical about the admission requirements for Duke BB players (at least the top players and I'm certain no different than at any other top BB or football school). I pretty much assume that "what K wants, K gets".

TruBlu
10-05-2018, 04:00 PM
I wonder about this too. But I have to admit that I've always been somewhat cynical about the admission requirements for Duke BB players (at least the top players and I'm certain no different than at any other top BB or football school). I pretty much assume that "what K wants, K gets".

You might be right to a certain extent that “what K wants, K gets”. But I think there are standards that K has that would disqualify some, if not many, top players from being recruited.

duke79
10-05-2018, 04:21 PM
You might be right to a certain extent that “what K wants, K gets”. But I think there are standards that K has that would disqualify some, if not many, top players from being recruited.

Yea, I'm sure it's not completely open-ended but I would guess that he gets a LOT of leeway in the admissions office.

75Crazie
10-05-2018, 05:11 PM
You might be right to a certain extent that “what K wants, K gets”. But I think there are standards that K has that would disqualify some, if not many, top players from being recruited.
For most of K's tenure I would have been, and in fact was, adamant about supporting that claim, from both an academic and a behavioral perspective. I am nowhere near as sure now about the academic part of that claim.

duke2x
10-06-2018, 12:50 AM
That's a really good article, IMO, with a lot of insightful quotes from the coaches. Going to all 15 ACC basketball stadiums was a goal (mid-life--not bucket) that I have crossed off the list.

1. Although I disagree, I can see the argument for UNC having a little more tradition. UNC won real titles under 3 coaches that may or may not have cheated. Duke had success with Bubas and Foster without rings. We need our next coach to win 1+.

2. I really don't agree with Louisville as #2 overall. Louisville has spent tremendous amounts of money on all of its revenue and non-revenue stadiums, but I would not rate YUM close to the top half of the ACC as a facility or atmosphere. It really reminds me of a lesser version of PNC (nee RBC nee ESA) across the board. #1 admissions ranking (should be #2) is not a selling point.

3. I want to know which coaches spoke about UNC, NCSU, FSU, and VT. :D

4. For those of you who didn't go to JPJ when it was easy to get tickets, it is an outstanding modern college arena. Nice interior, nosebleeds are not as bad as pro-style arenas, and intimate enough to provide a reasonable atmosphere. If only Bennett would play a different style of hoops...

5. VT and Clemson are underrated, but I admit I'm partial to old barns. Bring back Reynolds, the Thrillerdome, and U-Haul. Maybe bring back Cole FH unless Maryland has to come with it.

DukeHoo
10-06-2018, 07:18 AM
It's a great facility . . . . at least for concerts welcoming home the local band that made it big. :o I haven't been to an actual basketball game there, though.

I highly recommend going for a basketball game at some point (unless you really can't stomach UVA's style). It's simply a beautiful arena, and the atmosphere is better there than when I was at the school. As my handle may give away, I'm a Duke fan that attended UVA for undergrad. I was actually around at UVA when they did their major sports facility upgrade about a decade ago, in terms of building JPJ and the training and nutrition center (the McCue Center, located across the street near the soon to be demolished U-Hall). The training facilities are also top notch, and comparable to what Duke offers.

HereBeforeCoachK
10-06-2018, 07:49 AM
An UNC better tradition than Duke? UGHHHHHH!

Well if I had to guess, it's based on some logic like this: the Cheats have more total wins, and they have 3 coaches who won Nattys. I think the edge there is based on the fact that Coach K's tenure has created the vast majority of the tradition. Vic Bubas and Bill Foster certainly created some tradition, but not compared to Frank McGuire and Dean's Myth.....prior to Roy. And then there's Michael Jordan and James Worthy.

johnb
10-06-2018, 09:13 AM
I wonder about this too. But I have to admit that I've always been somewhat cynical about the admission requirements for Duke BB players (at least the top players and I'm certain no different than at any other top BB or football school). I pretty much assume that "what K wants, K gets".

My take on super-elite Duke basketball admissions is that the staff assesses academic background and motivation almost as much as they assess their physical work ethic.

We’ve had players graduate who had SAT’s below 1000. Obviously, such players would have to really focus to keep up with the rest of the student body, but it’s also fair to note that many elite recruits come from neighborhoods whose high schools haven’t produced a single Duke student, ever. Discipline on the court is not always accompanied by a similar dedication to off-the-court stuff, but when it does, you get a typical Duke b-ball player.

The cynicism it arouses in me is not towards the recruited basketball players but towards overall undergrad admissions. If kids with B averages and 1100 SAT’s do fine at Duke, then why do we give such a heavy emphasis on ensuring the highest possible percentage of freshmen with 1550 SAT’s?

Is there evidence that a carefully sculpted and flaw-free transcript leads to greatness? What are Duke’s goals, anyway? In the old days, Duke aimed to produce hard nosed doctors, lawyers, and Methodist ministers, but I’m guessing we’ve broadened those horizons. Is it to produce a wide variety of greatness as well as a hothouse local environment? If so, bring on the Bagleys and Zions. They are to basketball what we hope that other students are to comp lit or physics. Of course, that is going to exclude most alum kids, who are not so freakishly angular, unless there is an explicit effort to accept them over “more qualified” but unconnected applicants. And, of course, alum kids are a source of many of Duke’s glue kids, who keep the campus together even though they may not be driven by a single passion.

Anyway, I’m not cynical about accepting our players onto campus—K has missed on very few.

JNort
10-06-2018, 01:51 PM
Hmm I would have to disagree. If all current rosters were wiped clean and I got to choose where to start so I could have the easiest path to success then UNC comes out first with NC State and Duke being a close tie for 2nd. UNC, UK, and KU are by far the easiest bb jobs in college to me.

HereBeforeCoachK
10-06-2018, 02:01 PM
Hmm I would have to disagree. If all current rosters were wiped clean and I got to choose where to start so I could have the easiest path to success then UNC comes out first with NC State and Duke being a close tie for 2nd. UNC, UK, and KU are by far the easiest bb jobs in college to me.

Also outside the ACC: Texas is also an easy job, or should be. Unlimited money, huge fan base, huge recruiting base...more state pride than most states as a cultural fact -- Texas should be national power in all sports most of the time. I am still shocked Coach G kind of failed down there.