Top 5 films of Winter 2018 early discussion

[JasonEvans]

So, when do we set up a fall movies? or do we wait for the Winter?

We don't do a fall contest. The winter usually starts in November, but it might be interesting to start it in October with Venom coming out Oct 5th and First Man Oct 12th. If First Man gets some award buzz, which I think it could, then it could have long legs and really be a player.

I see the contenders this winter being:

Venom (Oct 5)
A Star is Born (Oct 5)
First Man (Oct 12)
Bohemian Rhapsody (Nov 2)
The Grinch (Nov 9)
Fantastic Beasts 2 (Nov 16)
Ralph Breaks the Internet (Nov 21)
Creed 2 (Nov 21)
Into the Spiderverse (Dec 14)
Mortal Engines (Dec 14)
Mary Poppins Returns (Dec 19)
Aquaman (Dec 21)
Holmes and Watson (Dec 21)
Bumblebee (Dec 21)
Alita: Battle Angel (Dec 21)
Welcome to Marwen (Dec 21)
Hellboy (Jan 11)
Glass (Jan 18)
LegoMovie 2 (Feb 8)
Dark Phoenix (Feb 14)

That is 20 films. I will need to trim the list when we get to voting time.

I am sorta thinking of combining some films that are a bit more of a longshot but are sorta similar to make picking them a bit more attractive. For example, I could put Mortal Engines and Alita together as a pair of young adult/sci-fi/distopia films. I could combine First Man and Bohemian Rhapsody as Oscar-contender biographies. Maybe put A Star is Born and Welcome to Marwen together as Oscar-contending adult-skewing flicks. Perhaps Venom and Into the Spiderverse are a pair of traditional Spider-man alternatives.

Unlike most seasons, there are very few locks. I see three or four likely picks, but there is nothing that is a lock. I mean, the big sequels don't even come from films that made huge bucks (Fantastic Beasts 1 made $234 mil, Wreck-it Ralph made $184 mil, Justice League made $234 mil).

-Jason "this will be the toughest top 5 yet" Evans

[CameronBornAndBred]

Unlike most seasons, there are very few locks. I see three or four likely picks, but there is nothing that is a lock. I mean, the big sequels don't even come from films that made huge bucks (Fantastic Beasts 1 made $234 mil, Wreck-it Ralph made $184 mil, Justice League made $234 mil).

Fantastic Beasts is a total lock. Probably the only one.

[JasonEvans]

Fantastic Beasts is a total lock. Probably the only one.

A sequel to a poorly received film that made $234 mil (sequels often fail to match the original) that stars a guy (Johnny Depp) who is being slammed fairly hard by the #MeToo movement (see Kevin Spacey's corpse of a career for perspective)...

I will probably vote for Fantastic Beasts 2, but it ain't a lock in the way most seasons have a lock or two. I mean, we typically have at least 1 or 2 films that everyone knows will make $250+ mil (like Thor and Last Jedi last winter; Rogue One in 2016; Force Awakens and Mockingjay pt 2 in 2015; the Hobbit and Hunger Games films in 2014 and 2013... and so on). I contend there is nothing that is a lock to make even $200 mil this year. Something will... heck, several movies almost certainly will... but no one knows which film it will be at this time.

[CameronBornAndBred]

A sequel to a poorly received film that made $234 mil (sequels often fail to match the original) that stars a guy (Johnny Depp) who is being slammed fairly hard by the #MeToo movement (see Kevin Spacey's corpse of a career for perspective)...

I will probably vote for Fantastic Beasts 2, but it ain't a lock in the way most seasons have a lock or two. I mean, we typically have at least 1 or 2 films that everyone knows will make $250+ mil (like Thor and Last Jedi last winter; Rogue One in 2016; Force Awakens and Mockingjay pt 2 in 2015; the Hobbit and Hunger Games films in 2014 and 2013... and so on). I contend there is nothing that is a lock to make even $200 mil this year. Something will... heck, several movies almost certainly will... but no one knows which film it will be at this time.

I'll be shocked if FB isn't the #1 or #2 movie.

[cato]

I'll be shocked if FB isn't the #1 or #2 movie.

I smell a pie bet . . .

[aimo]

A sequel to a poorly received film that made $234 mil (sequels often fail to match the original) that stars a guy (Johnny Depp) who is being slammed fairly hard by the #MeToo movement (see Kevin Spacey's corpse of a career for perspective)

I thought the first one was a total snoozer, and I really have no desire to see the next one. It's not going to have the loyalty of the Harry Potter movies.

[tbyers11]

I thought the first one was a total snoozer, and I really have no desire to see the next one. It's not going to have the loyalty of the Harry Potter movies.

I'm a Harry Potter fan and agree that I thought the first Beasts movie was a bit of a one-off that I didn't care that much about. I didn't even see it in the theater. When I saw it I think liked it better than you did but I still didn't think it was great.

However, I disagree that the second FB movie won't have the loyalty of Harry Potter fandom. Because the second movie is going to connect Newt and Grindelwald with Dumbledore. I think seeing a young Dumbledore in the era leading up to his infamous duel with Grindelwald and ~60 years before the events of the Harry Potter books will bring the Harry Potter fans in droves. JK Rowling is supposedly more involved in this screenplay than she was in the first movie too.

[IrishDevil]

I'm a Harry Potter fan and agree that I thought the first Beasts movie was a bit of a one-off that I didn't care that much about. I didn't even see it in the theater. When I saw it I think liked it better than you did but I still didn't think it was great.

However, I disagree that the second FB movie won't have the loyalty of Harry Potter fandom. Because the second movie is going to connect Newt and Grindelwald with Dumbledore. I think seeing a young Dumbledore in the era leading up to his infamous duel with Grindelwald and ~60 years before the events of the Harry Potter books will bring the Harry Potter fans in droves. JK Rowling is supposedly more involved in this screenplay than she was in the first movie too.

I, too, am a Harry Potter fan. I agree that audiences will come to see FB2 despite the underwhelming FB1, mostly because young Dumbledore is a huge draw, though I will be curious to see what of Dumbledore's whimsy is found in Jude Law's performance. I disagree with you on Rowling's degree of involvement and its benefits, however. As I posted previously in greater detail (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?38852-Fantastic-Beasts&p=930350#post930350), I thought FB1 suffered primarily due to Rowling's inexperience as sole screenwriter (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3183660/?ref_=nv_sr_2) and hoped she would bring in a writing partner with more screenwriting background to bolster future FB efforts. That hope may not ultimately be worth much, as Rowling is not only yet again the sole credited screenwriter (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4123430/?ref_=nv_sr_1), but apparently had already finished the screenplay for FB2 prior to the release of FB1 (https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1529349/fantastic-beasts-and-where-to-find-them-2-has-already-been-written). Instead, I am left hoping that the final draft of FB2 worked to correct some of the issues identified after the release FB1.

All that being said - I will still pay to see FB2 in theaters, because, like a top 3 recruit, FB2 has great potential with a high ceiling and a relatively low floor. The most likely result will still be enjoyable for a fan like me, so I'll be there (babysitter permitting).

[JasonEvans]

I see the contenders this winter being:

Venom (Oct 5)
A Star is Born (Oct 5)
First Man (Oct 12)
Bohemian Rhapsody (Nov 2)
The Grinch (Nov 9)
Fantastic Beasts 2 (Nov 16)
Ralph Breaks the Internet (Nov 21)
Creed 2 (Nov 21)
Into the Spiderverse (Dec 14)
Mortal Engines (Dec 14)
Mary Poppins Returns (Dec 19)
Aquaman (Dec 21)
Holmes and Watson (Dec 21)
Bumblebee (Dec 21)
Alita: Battle Angel (Dec 21)
Welcome to Marwen (Dec 21)
Hellboy (Jan 11)
Glass (Jan 18)
LegoMovie 2 (Feb 8)
Dark Phoenix (Feb 14)

I am sorta thinking of combining some films that are a bit more of a longshot but are sorta similar to make picking them a bit more attractive. For example, I could put Mortal Engines and Alita together as a pair of young adult/sci-fi/distopia films. I could combine First Man and Bohemian Rhapsody as Oscar-contender biographies. Maybe put A Star is Born and Welcome to Marwen together as Oscar-contending adult-skewing flicks. Perhaps Venom and Into the Spiderverse are a pair of traditional Spider-man alternatives.

What do folk think about this idea? Appealing? Any suggestions for combos?

Also, last year we extended into February films, which allowed us to include Black Panther and a couple others. Should we do that again to get Lego 2 and Dark Phoenix in or end it with the January films?

[CameronBornAndBred]

What do folk think about this idea? Appealing? Any suggestions for combos?

Also, last year we extended into February films, which allowed us to include Black Panther and a couple others. Should we do that again to get Lego 2 and Dark Phoenix in or end it with the January films?

I'm not into the combining idea. Yes to February flicks. They always have a chance.

[IrishDevil]

I'm not into the combining idea. Yes to February flicks. They always have a chance.

Seconded.

[PackMan97]

As much as I've anticipated movies the past 12 months or so...this winter slate seem uninspiring.

Venom (Oct 5)
* Eh, doesn't really look like my thing. Is this a sequel to Life? I can't see this having the broad appeal to make the top 5

A Star is Born (Oct 5)
* A musical romantic drama...good luck with that in the top 5.

First Man (Oct 12)
* Apollo 13 it will not be. Not to mention I think it's going to get skewered for the all white male cast (regardless of the fact it was NASA in the 1960s)

Bohemian Rhapsody (Nov 2)
* Won't make as much money as Wayne's World

The Grinch (Nov 9)
* Bahhumbug

Fantastic Beasts 2 (Nov 16)
* Eh, Harry Potter is so last decade.

Ralph Breaks the Internet (Nov 21)
* First movie didn't break $200m.

Creed 2 (Nov 21)
* The first movie was pretty darned good and I think Michael B Jordan is on a serious roll. I'd feel better if Coogler was directing instead of Executive Producing. Still think it's going to be bigger than the first. If only boxing were more popular.

Into the Spiderverse (Dec 14)
* WAT? I have no idea on this one. The Incredibles it is not.

Mortal Engines (Dec 14)
* Not sure steam punk is a prescription for hitting the top 5

Mary Poppins Returns (Dec 19)
* How many movies does Disney release that aren't hits. Gotta think this has a good shot. If nothing else, it's got the Christmas holiday and a beloved classic (even if I thought the first was stupid)

Aquaman (Dec 21)
* Yawn, DC.

Holmes and Watson (Dec 21)
* If there is a movie that I hope bombs this winter, this just might be the one.

Bumblebee (Dec 21)
* Transformers. /smh

Alita: Battle Angel (Dec 21)
* Too much competition. To wierd of a story

Welcome to Marwen (Dec 21)
* Speaking of odd stories, this one is going nowhere.

Hellboy (Jan 11)
* Niche movie, will be lucky to break $100m

Glass (Jan 18)
* I don't think folks trust M. Knight S. enough for this to be top 5.

LegoMovie 2 (Feb 8)
* Maybe. I don't know. I thought Lego: Batman would have done better. I guess someone has to finish top 5.

Dark Phoenix (Feb 14)
* Which is losing fans the fastest? The DCEU? Transformers? or X-men?

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I guess right now I'm thinking Lego2, FantasticBeasts2, Mary Poppins2, Creed2 and an unidentified sequel to be named later.

[CameronBornAndBred]

As much as I've anticipated movies the past 12 months or so...this winter slate seem uninspiring.


I'm staying off your lawn this winter.

I'm totally lost after FB2. Perhaps my biggest one I am unsure of is Grinch. I could see it missing the top 5, I could also see it being in the top 3. How many times do we need to see a Grinch story? I've seen enough. But the new batch of kids haven't, and it's hard to vote against the same folks that pulled out Despicable Me and Sing. I just wonder why they pushed back the release of this one from a year ago, usually that is a bad sign. Trailers make it look funny, though. (But trailers are deceptive bastards.)

[PackMan97]

I'm staying off your lawn this winter.

Do not worry, ALL the neighborhood kids know to stay off my lawn!

[CameronBornAndBred]

PS, why are the October movies included? I didn't think they had been before. (I'm not voting for any of them anyway.)

[weezie]

Best actor Ethan Hawke, First Reformed.

Book.

Best supporting actor Cedric Kyles, First Reformed.

[BD80]

As much as I've anticipated movies the past 12 months or so...this winter slate seem uninspiring.

Venom (Oct 5)
* Eh, doesn't really look like my thing. Is this a sequel to Life? I can't see this having the broad appeal to make the top 5

A Star is Born (Oct 5)
* A musical romantic drama...good luck with that in the top 5.

First Man (Oct 12)
* Apollo 13 it will not be. Not to mention I think it's going to get skewered for the all white male cast (regardless of the fact it was NASA in the 1960s)

Bohemian Rhapsody (Nov 2)
* Won't make as much money as Wayne's World

The Grinch (Nov 9)
* Bahhumbug

Fantastic Beasts 2 (Nov 16)
* Eh, Harry Potter is so last decade.

Ralph Breaks the Internet (Nov 21)
* First movie didn't break $200m.

Creed 2 (Nov 21)
* The first movie was pretty darned good and I think Michael B Jordan is on a serious roll. I'd feel better if Coogler was directing instead of Executive Producing. Still think it's going to be bigger than the first. If only boxing were more popular.

Into the Spiderverse (Dec 14)
* WAT? I have no idea on this one. The Incredibles it is not.

Mortal Engines (Dec 14)
* Not sure steam punk is a prescription for hitting the top 5

Mary Poppins Returns (Dec 19)
* How many movies does Disney release that aren't hits. Gotta think this has a good shot. If nothing else, it's got the Christmas holiday and a beloved classic (even if I thought the first was stupid)

Aquaman (Dec 21)
* Yawn, DC.

Holmes and Watson (Dec 21)
* If there is a movie that I hope bombs this winter, this just might be the one.

Bumblebee (Dec 21)
* Transformers. /smh

Alita: Battle Angel (Dec 21)
* Too much competition. To wierd of a story

Welcome to Marwen (Dec 21)
* Speaking of odd stories, this one is going nowhere.

Hellboy (Jan 11)
* Niche movie, will be lucky to break $100m

Glass (Jan 18)
* I don't think folks trust M. Knight S. enough for this to be top 5.

LegoMovie 2 (Feb 8)
* Maybe. I don't know. I thought Lego: Batman would have done better. I guess someone has to finish top 5.

Dark Phoenix (Feb 14)
* Which is losing fans the fastest? The DCEU? Transformers? or X-men?

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I guess right now I'm thinking Lego2, FantasticBeasts2, Mary Poppins2, Creed2 and an unidentified sequel to be named later.


I miss the good old days when we only had to pick 3 movies ...

[DU82]

I would drop the October movies. That pushes the decision point too early, not that all the info about the later movies is available at the time.

[JasonEvans]

Venom (Oct 5)
* Eh, doesn't really look like my thing. Is this a sequel to Life? I can't see this having the broad appeal to make the top 5.

Venom is Sony’s first attempt at building their new Spiderman Universe that sorta doesn’t include Spider-Man. Marvel Studios is involved in this film but it is not part of the MCU. Venom, the character, is a villain who is sometimes an anti-hero in the Spiderman comic world. He was the bad guy (along with sandman and hobgoblin) in the third of the old Tobey McGuire Spidey films. In this film he is going to be more of an anti-hero and (I believe) the current Tom Holland Spiderman will not appear at all (though I bet they talk about him at least a little bit).

It will be interesting to see how they handle Spiderman and the Snappening in this film, if at all.

Jason “the trailers have been kinda weird thus far... I’m unsure of the tone of this film but it feels much darker than most other Spidey movies” Evans

[luburch]

It will be interesting to see how they handle Spiderman and the Snappening in this film, if at all.

Jason “the trailers have been kinda weird thus far... I’m unsure of the tone of this film but it feels much darker than most other Spidey movies” Evans

And the accent Tom Hardy is using for this role is...uhm...interesting.

[BD80]

And the accent Tom Hardy is using for this role is...uhm...interesting.

Does he sound like a supervillain wearing a mask that pumps gas into his system to alleviate the pain of the injuries suffered as a child in the pit that mutilated his face?

[JasonEvans]

For folks wondering about Venom, here is a trailer that might not be entirely accurate. I was really surprised to see Robin Williams making an appearance in this film.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6NxP2fO89Y

[JasonEvans]

Fandango did a survey and says these are the most anticipated movies (https://deadline.com/2018/08/fantastic-beasts-bohemian-rhapsody-venom-ralph-breaks-the-internet-a-star-is-born-most-anticipated-fall-movies-1202454497/)of the fall. I think it is clear they they define "fall" as films released in Sep-Oct-Nov.


Fall’s Most Anticipated Movies:

Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (November 16)
Bohemian Rhapsody (November 2)
Venom (October 5)
Ralph Breaks the Internet (November 21)
A Star is Born (October 5)

Fall’s Most Anticipated Actresses:

Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born)
Cate Blanchett (The House with a Clock in Its Walls)
Jamie Lee Curtis (Halloween)
Keira Knightley (Colette, The Nutcracker and the Four Realms)
Claire Foy (The Girl in the Spider’s Web, First Man)

Fall’s Most Anticipated Actors:

Rami Malek (Bohemian Rhapsody)
Tom Hardy (Venom)
Eddie Redmayne (Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald)
Bradley Cooper (A Star Is Born)
Michael B. Jordan (Creed II)

[JasonEvans]

The pitch for this Holiday movie must have been fabulous.

"It's High School Musical, but with zombies."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFbWhcGvW1w

[JasonEvans]

So, I'm increasingly convinced that Sony has no freaking idea what it is doing with Venom. They have no idea how to market a movie about a Spiderman villain where there is no Spiderman in the film. They aren't sure if they are marking a movie about a bad guy or a good guy. none of this gives me confidence that the movie is anything but a train wreck that similarly cannot decide what it wants to be.

The latest evidence... this TV ad in which Venom seems to eat an entire room full of football fans. Whaaaat??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DA9-ROw-PI

-Jason "I'm gonna predict lukewarm reviews, at best, and the film is going to make less than $125 mil at the boxoffice... which is bad for a film that cost over $100 mil to make" Evans

[BD80]

... They aren't sure if they are marking a movie about a bad guy or a good guy. …

The latest evidence... this TV ad in which Venom seems to eat an entire room full of football fans. ...

...

Well, they were dressed as Raiders fans (without the NFL trademarked logos), so … good guy?

[JNort]

A sequel to a poorly received film that made $234 mil (sequels often fail to match the original) that stars a guy (Johnny Depp) who is being slammed fairly hard by the #MeToo movement (see Kevin Spacey's corpse of a career for perspective)...

I will probably vote for Fantastic Beasts 2, but it ain't a lock in the way most seasons have a lock or two. I mean, we typically have at least 1 or 2 films that everyone knows will make $250+ mil (like Thor and Last Jedi last winter; Rogue One in 2016; Force Awakens and Mockingjay pt 2 in 2015; the Hobbit and Hunger Games films in 2014 and 2013... and so on). I contend there is nothing that is a lock to make even $200 mil this year. Something will... heck, several movies almost certainly will... but no one knows which film it will be at this time.

I didn't care for FB1 at all and am super excited for FB2 solely for the Dumbledore story line.

[PackMan97]

What are we going to do? An early start for Venom or no?

[CameronBornAndBred]

What are we going to do? An early start for Venom or no?
If you vote for it, you lose. ;)

[JasonEvans]

What are we going to do? An early start for Venom or no?

Sorry. When several people seemed opposed to it, I decided we would start with November films. I thought I had posted something about that but I guess I didn't.

If we had included October films, I think A Star Is Born would have been a real contender. That film is gonna do silly business for a romantic drama. I won't be shocked if it gets to $200 mil. It is that good (yes, I have seen it... my review is coming soon).

-Jason "I am also nixing my idea of multiple films in one pick (other than the field). No support for that idea either. 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' is my new mantra" Evans

[JNort]

Sorry. When several people seemed opposed to it, I decided we would start with November films. I thought I had posted something about that but I guess I didn't.

If we had included October films, I think A Star Is Born would have been a real contender. That film is gonna do silly business for a romantic drama. I won't be shocked if it gets to $200 mil. It is that good (yes, I have seen it... my review is coming soon).

-Jason "I am also nixing my idea of multiple films in one pick (other than the field). No support for that idea either. 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' is my new mantra" Evans

I love the multiple films for one pick

[PackMan97]

Dark Phoenix trailer is out, but they really don't give us much about the movie. It looks Professor X apparently screwed up with Jean early on and now she's pissed. I'm also wondering where this fits in with timeline. What the trailer shows doesn't jive with the events of Apocalypse. I want to want to like it, but X-men movies have been so hit and miss for me. Loved Days of Future Past, but First class and Apocalypse were only decent. Wolverine has never really done it for me and Logan was about the most depressing superhero movie I've ever seen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWbMckU3AOQ

[JasonEvans]

Dark Phoenix trailer is out, but they really don't give us much about the movie. It looks Professor X apparently screwed up with Jean early on and now she's pissed. I'm also wondering where this fits in with timeline. What the trailer shows doesn't jive with the events of Apocalypse. I want to want to like it, but X-men movies have been so hit and miss for me. Loved Days of Future Past, but First class and Apocalypse were only decent. Wolverine has never really done it for me and Logan was about the most depressing superhero movie I've ever seen.

Reaction to the Dark Phoenix trailer has been fantastic and there is some buzz that the early cuts look good, so...

One day after dropping the trailer with a blaah February release date, Fox has decided to move Dark Phoenix to June 7th... the heart of summer. That is a major vote of confidence in the film. So, while it will not be a player in our Winter contest, it could be a dark horse to watch for come summer 2019.

-Jason "also impacting our contest... maybe a little bit... Alita: Dark Angel moves from Dec 21 to the old Dark Phoenix spot of Feb 14th... Alita didn't feel like a Christmas movie anyway" Evans

[Clipsfan]

Reaction to the Dark Phoenix trailer has been fantastic and there is some buzz that the early cuts look good, so...

One day after dropping the trailer with a blaah February release date, Fox has decided to move Dark Phoenix to June 7th... the heart of summer. That is a major vote of confidence in the film. So, while it will not be a player in our Winter contest, it could be a dark horse to watch for come summer 2019.

-Jason "also impacting our contest... maybe a little bit... Alita: Dark Angel moves from Dec 21 to the old Dark Phoenix spot of Feb 14th... Alita didn't feel like a Christmas movie anyway" Evans

Moving Alita was a good idea. The 21st was incredibly busy and when surveyed people didn't seem to know much about the movie. Granted, there was time to build buzz but the other movies being released that day had a head start.

[JasonEvans]

Here is a massive, 5 minute long, trailer for Aquaman. I like the moments of levity in it, but it also smacks of a lot of pointless CGI-driven action sequences that have really been a problem for DC movies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=317&v=WaWnLiffxJ4

-Jason "in other news, seeing as it is October I guess I will open the Top 5 contest this weekend... unless folks strongly feel otherwise, I will likely pair some of the lesser contenders together to make them more attractive" Evans

[CameronBornAndBred]

Would Aquaman swim even faster if he weren't wearing long loose pants?

[pfrduke]

-Jason "in other news, seeing as it is October I guess I will open the Top 5 contest this weekend... unless folks strongly feel otherwise, I will likely pair some of the lesser contenders together to make them more attractive" Evans

As in, you get to combine their box office gate? Or a vote for 1 is actually a vote for either, and you get the credit if either makes top 5?

[JasonEvans]

As in, you get to combine their box office gate? Or a vote for 1 is actually a vote for either, and you get the credit if either makes top 5?

They will be paired on the same line in the poll and if either makes the top 5, you get credit for it. Combining boxoffice takes... no way.

But I liked the idea better when I was including October movies. I was going to pair films like A Star is Born and Welcome to Marwen (adult dramas) and First Man and Bohemian Rhapsody (biopics). As I look at the slate now, it is a bit tougher. Hmmmmm.

Mortal Engines and Alita are a natural pairing as two dystopian fantasies. I'm not sure what others make sense. Maybe Nutcracker and Mary Poppins Returns as Disney family sequels? I suspect everyone voting for that would be just voting for Mary Poppins anyway.

-Jason "meh... maybe I won't bother with the 2-for-1 picks" Evans

[Nick]

Last week, Venom was forecast to have a $60MM opening weekend; it came in at $80MM. According to Box Office Mojo (https://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4444&p=.htm) the audience is skewing young. After seeing reviews all over the place on this one I want to see it now.