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plimnko
07-19-2018, 07:06 AM
https://www.wralsportsfan.com/north-carolina-football-players-may-face-suspensions-after-off-season-ncaa-violations/17707063/

Dr. Rosenrosen
07-19-2018, 08:29 AM
I mean, what else should we expect from a program led by an idiot like this...

http://amp.charlotteobserver.com/sports/article215100910.html

(an easy but still solid takedown by Luke DeCock)

OldPhiKap
07-19-2018, 08:31 AM
The surprising part of the whole story is that someone actually wanted to buy UNC football merchandise.

chrishoke
07-19-2018, 08:38 AM
Ed Hardin chimes in on Fedora's attack on logic.
https://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtra/ed-hardin-larry-fedora-failing-to-face-the-facts-faces/article_9a3a90cb-c17f-50b5-b782-46e82dc0b747.html

dudog84
07-19-2018, 08:40 AM
https://www.wralsportsfan.com/north-carolina-football-players-may-face-suspensions-after-off-season-ncaa-violations/17707063/

The players will be suspended for the game against the Little Sisters of the Poor...but at least it's the Wake County campus, and I hear they've got some talent at the skill positions this year. The defensive line still underperforms.

Dr. Rosenrosen
07-19-2018, 08:55 AM
Ed Hardin chimes in on Fedora's attack on logic.
https://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtra/ed-hardin-larry-fedora-failing-to-face-the-facts-faces/article_9a3a90cb-c17f-50b5-b782-46e82dc0b747.html
Someone needs to explain to him (in third grade English) that ignorance is not a defense — although perhaps that is exactly the defensive scheme he is responsible for bringing to that dump.

Dr. Rosenrosen
07-19-2018, 08:58 AM
The surprising part of the whole story is that someone actually wanted to buy UNC football merchandise.
Why, ol’ chap, what else shall I wear to brunch at the club on Sunday?

75Crazie
07-19-2018, 09:16 AM
What I find most amazing is this quote from the original link:

UNC became aware of the potential violations and self-reported them in February.
Since when does uNC self-report anything?

UrinalCake
07-19-2018, 09:18 AM
The original story with Fedora’s comments from yesterday’s media day. He thinks concussion data is fake and that longer kickoffs represent an attack on our military. No, seriously.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24131628/north-carolina-larry-fedora-says-football-attack

plimnko
07-19-2018, 09:23 AM
The players will be suspended for the game against the Little Sisters of the Poor...but at least it's the Wake County campus, and I hear they've got some talent at the skill positions this year. The defensive line still underperforms.

the ncaa just ruled......everybody will be suspended on the cheat's bye week.

94duke
07-19-2018, 09:33 AM
What I find most amazing is this quote from the original link:

Since when does uNC self-report anything?

when they know it will be a secondary violation. ;):cool:

campered
07-19-2018, 09:39 AM
https://www.wralsportsfan.com/north-carolina-football-players-may-face-suspensions-after-off-season-ncaa-violations/17707063/
Geeeeez! You think their attorneys are back from their junkets after spending their fees from the last go around defending them? Are they rested enough?

PackMan97
07-19-2018, 09:43 AM
The original story with Fedora’s comments from yesterday’s media day. He thinks concussion data is fake and that longer kickoffs represent an attack on our military. No, seriously.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24131628/north-carolina-larry-fedora-says-football-attack

They don't call him "The Freak Show" for nothing....and there is a reason that Carolina's football recruiting has taken a serious nose dive. Even considering the obvious that they have to recruit "mostly" by the rules now and have to be more selective in the unqualified players they take now since they can't let everyone cheat...

Today's high school seniors, have seen Duke go 4-2 since they became teenagers and Duke has gone 4-4 vs the Cheats since they started the third grade (with two wins wiped away by Carolina's cheating ways). You have to go back to the mid '80s the last time that happened.

For State vs Carolina the record is even worse. 8-3 since today's recruits started school in favor of State.

Whatever shred of self respect Carolina Football has had left when they put the "jump man" logo on their football jerseys last year, not to mention the millions they are spending to remove over 10,000 seats from Kenana to "improve the game day experience".

Carolina would have been smart to get rid of Fedora long ago, but let's get real for a moment, only a crazy person would have taken the job the last time it was open. This is just Fedora being Fedora. Let's hope he stays around for a long time.

UrinalCake
07-19-2018, 10:14 AM
Actual live photo of UNC’s lawyers and PR team:

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dudog84
07-19-2018, 10:20 AM
They don't call him "The Freak Show" for nothing...and there is a reason that Carolina's football recruiting has taken a serious nose dive. Even considering the obvious that they have to recruit "mostly" by the rules now and have to be more selective in the unqualified players they take now since they can't let everyone cheat...

Today's high school seniors, have seen Duke go 4-2 since they became teenagers and Duke has gone 4-4 vs the Cheats since they started the third grade (with two wins wiped away by Carolina's cheating ways). You have to go back to the mid '80s the last time that happened.

For State vs Carolina the record is even worse. 8-3 since today's recruits started school in favor of State.

Whatever shred of self respect Carolina Football has had left when they put the "jump man" logo on their football jerseys last year, not to mention the millions they are spending to remove over 10,000 seats from Kenana to "improve the game day experience".

Carolina would have been smart to get rid of Fedora long ago, but let's get real for a moment, only a crazy person would have taken the job the last time it was open. This is just Fedora being Fedora. Let's hope he stays around for a long time.

Kids and parents know there is a risk in playing football. But why in the world would you put your child in the care of someone who so blatantly does not care for his well-being?

PackMan97
07-19-2018, 10:33 AM
Kids and parents know there is a risk in playing football. But why in the world would you put your child in the care of someone who so blatantly does not care for his well-being?

You wouldn't.

Duke's 2019 recruiting:
https://247sports.com/college/duke/Season/2019-Football/Commits/

State's 2019 recruiting:
https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina-state/Season/2019-Football/Commits/

UNC's 2019 recruiting:
https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina/Season/2019-Football/Commits/

elvis14
07-19-2018, 10:50 AM
Time for UNCheat to write another check. There's a big difference between not being punished and not being guilty.

As for that idiot Fedora, I'm expecting him to come out today and say he misspoke and meant to say "would" when he actually said "wouldn't" and then he'd expect people to actually believe him. They were talking about him on 99.9, The Heel, yesterday afternoon and were amused by the fact that someone at UNCheat got in his ear and told him what to say later in the day. They were also amused that CTE research is actually done at UNCheat.

devildeac
07-19-2018, 11:13 AM
The surprising part of the whole story is that someone actually wanted to buy UNC football merchandise.

Probably came with free mouth guards and B.S. dual degrees in AFAM and philosophy. Quite the deal.

devildeac
07-19-2018, 11:19 AM
Perhaps the ncaa will punish Liberty University for the cheating bastards' transgressions this time. Or, maybe Julius and Jan will have to suffer some more with an extension of their "show clause" punishments. 9F-always.

dudog84
07-19-2018, 12:01 PM
Perhaps the ncaa will punish Liberty University for the cheating bastards' transgressions this time. Or, maybe Julius and Jan will have to suffer some more with an extension of their "show clause" punishments. 9F-always.

Santa has more basis in reality than integrity does at uNC. (sorry devildeac, I couldn't let that pass)

Edit: Tried to paste in a pic of The Black Knight, but I have not mastered that skill.

Pghdukie
07-19-2018, 12:12 PM
Actual live photo of UNC’s lawyers and PR team:

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I tend to disagree with you on the photo. Myrtle Beach is a better way to spend all that Ker-o-liner money. The beach scenery is very good this time of year !

devildeac
07-19-2018, 12:14 PM
Santa has more basis in reality than integrity does at uNC. (sorry devildeac, I couldn't let that pass)

Edit: Tried to paste in a pic of The Black Knight, but I have not mastered that skill.

No problem. No apology necessary. I'd have been disappointed if the rotund, merry fellow was ignored completely here. ;)

Poor proof-reading on my part, too:o. Maybe I was thinking of this cheater:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Blake_(American_football)

Tripping William
07-19-2018, 02:05 PM
I think I'm gonna hurl (https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/07/19/north-carolina-ncaa-violations-selling-school-gear?xid=socialflow_facebook_si&utm_campaign=sportsillustrated&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social).


"We have high expectations of all of our students, coaches and staff, and we expect everyone to abide by and embrace team and NCAA rules," UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham said in the statement. "We are disappointed when we fall short, and we always strive to get better.

When we became aware of a situation within the football program, we self-reported what the NCAA deemed to be a secondary violation. I worked closely with Chancellor Folt and Coach Fedora to address this issue from an NCAA, University and Department of Athletics perspective, and we have taken appropriate disciplinary action."

PackMan97
07-19-2018, 02:23 PM
"we have taken appropriate disciplinary action."


LOL!

They made their tutor write a book report for a no-show AFAM class.

royalblue
07-19-2018, 02:37 PM
I guess instead of being the concussions
it’s got to be the shoes

Bob Green
07-19-2018, 03:28 PM
...and there is a reason that Carolina's football recruiting has taken a serious nose dive.

Per 247Sports, Carolina's 2018 recruiting class was #4 in the ACC. State was 6, Duke 12 and Wake Forest 13.

https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=ACC

In 2017, Carolina was #5. Duke was 8, State was 10 and Wake Forest 14.

https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=ACC

In 2016, Carolina was #5. Duke was 6, State was 9 and Wake Forest 10.

https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=ACC

It seems to me there has been no "serious nose dive" in recruiting.

[/Facts]

OldPhiKap
07-19-2018, 03:44 PM
I think I'm gonna hurl (https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/07/19/north-carolina-ncaa-violations-selling-school-gear?xid=socialflow_facebook_si&utm_campaign=sportsillustrated&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social).


"We have high expectations of all of our students, coaches and staff to avoid disclosure and detection of cheating, and we expect everyone to avoid getting caught," UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham said in the statement. "We are disappointed when we got caught, and we always strive to get away clean.

"When we became aware of a situation within the football program that could not be swept under the rug, we self-reported what the NCAA deemed to be a secondary violation. I worked closely with Chancellor Folt and Coach Fedora to address this issue from an NCAA, University and Department of Athletics perspective, and we have taken appropriate disciplinary action against those responsible for this ever coming to light."


"FIFY," as the kids say.

skysdad
07-19-2018, 06:10 PM
Update on shoe scandal. No players will be suspended for any games. UNC provided all students whether they were athletes or not the opportunity to sell the own shoes and other apparel. :)

CameronBornAndBred
07-20-2018, 12:46 PM
Edit: Tried to paste in a pic of The Black Knight, but I have not mastered that skill.

Hard to cut and paste when you're arms are chopped off.

devildeac
07-20-2018, 01:03 PM
Hard to cut and paste when you're arms are chopped off.

"Just a flesh wound."

CameronBornAndBred
07-20-2018, 01:28 PM
Hard to cut and paste when you're arms are chopped off.


"Just a flesh wound."

I am going to go chop my fingers off for typing "you're" instead of "your". Grrrrrr. It's after noon, I can't even blame lack of coffee.

devildeac
08-06-2018, 11:05 AM
On the bright side, though, our son completed the ugliest jigsaw puzzle he's ever seen with images of the Old Well and the "u"nc campus and he's proud to announce that he sent a screen shot to the registrar's office and got 4 hours worth of credit for an independent study. (rolling eyes emoji)

left_hook_lacey
08-06-2018, 12:30 PM
On the bright side, though, our son completed the ugliest jigsaw puzzle he's ever seen with images of the Old Well and the "u"nc campus and he's proud to announce that he sent a screen shot to the registrar's office and got 4 hours worth of credit for an independent study. (rolling eyes emoji)

Only 4 hrs? Man they're getting strict over there. I remember the days when reading the program at the homecoming game would get you a BA in English Lit, but those were the good ole days. It's a different time.

devildeac
08-06-2018, 01:18 PM
Only 4 hrs? Man they're getting strict over there. I remember the days when reading the program at the homecoming game would get you a BA in English Lit, but those were the good ole days. It's a different time.

More ncaa oversight and fear of SACS now. :rolleyes:

Indoor66
08-06-2018, 02:36 PM
On the bright side, though, our son completed the ugliest jigsaw puzzle he's ever seen with images of the Old Well and the "u"nc campus and he's proud to announce that he sent a screen shot to the registrar's office and got 4 hours worth of credit for an independent study. (rolling eyes emoji)

He should at least get a masters degree in fine arts!

devildeac
08-06-2018, 02:43 PM
He should at least get a masters degree in fine arts!

Beauty is in the eyes of the be(er)holder. :o

devildeac
08-06-2018, 03:05 PM
https://www.wralsportsfan.com/north-carolina-football-players-may-face-suspensions-after-off-season-ncaa-violations/17707063/

Doesn't look like they'll be let off the hook after all, though it appears the hook/s are rather small ones.

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/tar-heels-suspended-from-season-opener-following-ncaa-violations/17750363/

"North Carolina announced that 13 players, including multiple returning starters, will miss at least one game due to suspension and nine will be suspended four games following a secondary NCAA violation committed by each of the athletes during this past offseason, the athletic department announced Monday."

Boo-freaking-hoo.

9F.

plimnko
08-06-2018, 03:22 PM
Doesn't look like they'll be let off the hook after all, though it appears the hook/s are rather small ones.

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/tar-heels-suspended-from-season-opener-following-ncaa-violations/17750363/

"North Carolina announced that 13 players, including multiple returning starters, will miss at least one game due to suspension and nine will be suspended four games following a secondary NCAA violation committed by each of the athletes during this past offseason, the athletic department announced Monday."

Boo-freaking-hoo.

9F.

the uncaa will probably sit them all out on their bye week.

plimnko
08-06-2018, 03:29 PM
NOTHING for 18 years of academic fraud and cheating. the uncaa must have been upset the didn't get their cut of the action.

chrishoke
08-06-2018, 03:37 PM
Doesn't look like they'll be let off the hook after all, though it appears the hook/s are rather small ones.

https://www.wralsportsfan.com/tar-heels-suspended-from-season-opener-following-ncaa-violations/17750363/

"North Carolina announced that 13 players, including multiple returning starters, will miss at least one game due to suspension and nine will be suspended four games following a secondary NCAA violation committed by each of the athletes during this past offseason, the athletic department announced Monday."

Boo-freaking-hoo.

9F.

Chazz Surratt is one of the 13. He will miss the first 4 games. His de-committment is sure looking like a good thing for Duke.

devildeac
08-06-2018, 03:52 PM
Chazz Surratt is one of the 13. He will miss the first 4 games. His de-committment is sure looking like a good thing for Duke.

Yes, indeed it does.

Acymetric
08-06-2018, 03:54 PM
Chazz Surratt is one of the 13. He will miss the first 4 games. His de-committment is sure looking like a good thing for Duke.

Those who remember that billboard that went up either just before or just after him switching to unc would not be surprised he was one of those involved.

left_hook_lacey
08-06-2018, 03:58 PM
So does UNC get to choose the games that the suspensions are enacted?

Acymetric
08-06-2018, 04:07 PM
So does UNC get to choose the games that the suspensions are enacted?

Yes, as I understand it, for "player safety" (although it is not entirely at their discretion).

Bob Green
08-06-2018, 04:21 PM
So does UNC get to choose the games that the suspensions are enacted?

It will be the first four games for nine of the players:


Quarterback Chazz Surratt is among the list of nine players who will miss the first four games of the season. Wide receiver Beau Corrales, defensive end Tyrone Hopper, offensive linemen Quiron Johnson and Jordan Tucker and linebacker Malik Robinson will all also miss the first four games.

Carolina's first four games are @Cal, @ECU, UCF and Pitt.

Starting quarterback was already a competition so with Surratt suspended if Nathan Elliot plays well he could cement the job. Of course, if Elliot plays poorly or is injured, Carolina's option will be a 3rd stringer.

Acymetric
08-06-2018, 04:40 PM
It will be the first four games for nine of the players:



Carolina's first four games are @Cal, @ECU, UCF and Pitt.

Starting quarterback was already a competition so with Surratt suspended if Nathan Elliot plays well he could cement the job. Of course, if Elliot plays poorly or is injured, Carolina's option will be a 3rd stringer.


Quarterback Chazz Surratt is among the list of nine players who will miss the first four games of the season. Wide receiver Beau Corrales, defensive end Tyrone Hopper, offensive linemen Quiron Johnson and Jordan Tucker and linebacker Malik Robinson will all also miss the first four games.

This is close, but not quite right (there is bad or flat out incorrect wording in some of the articles reporting on this which I assume is where you got your quote). 13 players will face suspension. 9 of those players will be suspended for four games. 7 of those players will be suspended for the first four games (at least based on current reporting, that could change). Breakdown as follows, with the caveat that there may be some players in the first group that it turns out also got staggered suspensions but have not been reported by name yet:

First four games:
Brian Anderson (OL)
Beau Coralles (WR)
Tyrone Hopper (DL)
Quiron Johnson (OL)
Malik Robninson (LB)
Chaz Surrat (QB)
Jordan Tucker (OL)

ECU, UCF, Pitt, VT (four games):
Malik Carney (DL)

Miami, Syracuse, Virginia, GT (four games):
Tomon Fox (DL)

2 games (I assume the first two but it is unclear):
Greg Ross (DB)
Tre Shaw (DB)

1 game (I assume the first but it is unclear):
Jack Davidson (QB)
Jonah Melton (OL)

I believe they got the "player safety" staggering because so many of the guys were from the DL, to which I would say "guess you have to play some walk-ons for depth" but the NCAA accepted the argument that it would mean too many snaps for the non-suspended players during that four game stretch.

tteettimes
08-06-2018, 05:17 PM
Jeff Gravely—-WRAL-TV just said the players were selling Jordan brand shoes on E-Bay for as much as $2500.00 a pair....geeze Louise
Bubba said they do their best to “educate” their players but they had weak moments
Fedora said no one on the team is blaming any of the suspended players team mates

UrinalCake
08-06-2018, 05:24 PM
Chazz Surratt is one of the 13. He will miss the first 4 games. His de-committment is sure looking like a good thing for Duke.

I was so happy for him last year when he fulfilled his lifelong dream of throwing a touchdown pass for Duke.

OldPhiKap
08-06-2018, 05:31 PM
Fedora said no one on the team is blaming any of the suspended players team mates

That’s awfully big of them.

MarkD83
08-06-2018, 06:39 PM
As if we didn't already know unc and the NCAA are such farces. There are teams with less talented players that play all the time and there are no safety issues. They should have said "to keep unc competitive we will stagger the suspensions"

Bob Green
08-06-2018, 06:54 PM
This Charlotte Observer article says:

UNC football players should send NCAA a message -- by boycotting (https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article216190755.html)


This is a serious proposition and I can promise you the coaching staff and administration will lean on these kids unmercifully to keep them from even considering boycotting any games. But if those young men will show the courage, leadership, loyalty and toughness that we know they have, then they can right this wrong and strike a vital blow for the rights of all the young men and women exploited by the billion-dollar industry of college sports.

That's a mature response.

DukieInKansas
08-06-2018, 07:20 PM
This Charlotte Observer article says:

UNC football players should send NCAA a message -- by boycotting (https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article216190755.html)



That's a mature response.

Do you think Roy helped write the editorial? Quote: "But “dad gum,” rules are rules and these young men need to be punished — or so says the NCAA and its minion UNC."

Strange I was taught that rules were rules and you played the game based on the rules. If you didn't abide by the rules, you were cheating. If you don't like the rules, work on changing them - but do so before you break them, not after.

dukelifer
08-06-2018, 07:38 PM
This Charlotte Observer article says:

UNC football players should send NCAA a message -- by boycotting (https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article216190755.html)



That's a mature response.

Clearly they broke the rules but if you give players things that they do not need to compete and claim that they “belong” to the players- shouldn’t the schools simply stop that practice. They could also tell the students that the shoes belong to the school and if they lose them they have to pay for them. If the players sold their helmets- that would be one thing- but clearly they did not want the shoes they were given and were happy to trade the shoes for something they needed/wanted more- money.

WiJoe
08-06-2018, 09:00 PM
suspensions should be four LAST four games of regular season AND bowl game. No practices, either.

basketball, for instance, last games of regular season, first two games of conference tournament and first two of NCAA tournament.

devildeac
08-07-2018, 07:17 AM
Congrats to the Shoe-niversity of North Carolina for staying in the spotlight!

I guess we can refer to them as ShoeNC for a while now.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
08-07-2018, 07:57 AM
This morning Golic and Wingo compared this situation to students on scholarships who get free books reselling them back to the bookstore at the end of the semester. I cannot fathom this level of stupidity.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
08-07-2018, 08:01 AM
This Charlotte Observer article says:

UNC football players should send NCAA a message -- by boycotting (https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article216190755.html)



That's a mature response.

I like it and would take it further. All UNC sports should boycott for the upcoming school year. No, wait... the next five school years.

That would send a message I could get behind!

UrinalCake
08-07-2018, 08:52 AM
This morning Golic and Wingo compared this situation to students on scholarships who get free books reselling them back to the bookstore at the end of the semester. I cannot fathom this level of stupidity.

That analogy simply does not work in this situation. UNC players would never buy books.

Highlander
08-07-2018, 09:17 AM
Jeff Gravely—-WRAL-TV just said the players were selling Jordan brand shoes on E-Bay for as much as $2500.00 a pair...geeze Louise
Bubba said they do their best to “educate” their players but they had weak moments
Fedora said no one on the team is blaming any of the suspended players team mates

The irony here is strong. The UNC Board of Governors and the NCAA threw the proverbial book at NC State back in the 80's for (wait for it) 3 players selling shoes the players received for free. State's basketball program got 2 years of probation and a postseason ban. In addition, State was barred from off-campus recruiting for a year, got no paid recruiting visits for a year, and was limited to 12 (instead of the customary 15) basketball scholarships for two academic years. Jim Valvano resigned as AD and was later fired as bball coach, and State basketball has never fully recovered.

Fast forward 30 years later. UNC football caught 12 of their players selling shoes and they give them... a 4 game suspension.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/12/13/nc-state-put-on-ncaa-probation/3b418a31-215f-4026-bfa7-139c154a6f3b/?utm_term=.bbf42c189a53

OldPhiKap
08-07-2018, 09:23 AM
The irony here is strong. The UNC Board of Governors and the NCAA threw the proverbial book at NC State back in the 80's for (wait for it) 3 players selling shoes the players received for free. State's basketball program got 2 years of probation and a postseason ban. In addition, State was barred from off-campus recruiting for a year, got no paid recruiting visits for a year, and was limited to 12 (instead of the customary 15) basketball scholarships for two academic years. Jim Valvano resigned as AD and was later fired as bball coach, and State basketball has never fully recovered.

Fast forward 30 years later. UNC football caught 12 of their players selling shoes and they give them... a 4 game suspension.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/12/13/nc-state-put-on-ncaa-probation/3b418a31-215f-4026-bfa7-139c154a6f3b/?utm_term=.bbf42c189a53

Wait until you see what they do to Cleveland State over this . . . .

tteettimes
08-07-2018, 09:24 AM
I guess by now we all should know......
It’s not What you did........but Who you are

elvis14
08-07-2018, 10:03 AM
Does anyone know where there's a list of all the cheating? I can think of some of them off the top of my head but there's been so many:


Austin/Blake/etc
Tami HansTravel given a job, sleeping with her boss, using UNCheat to travel to see ND play
Wheels for Heels and Fats Thomas
Will Graves busted for pot while living in Roy's house
PJ and all the crap around that
Some crap about mouth guards
Nearly 30 years of systematic cheating by using fake classes to keep thousands athletes eligible to play (including many mens hoops players)
Buying their way out of the cheating scandal and then spending millions on PR to keep their sheep blindly following
shoeNC (the current scandal)


Anyone keep a full list anywhere. The full list for this dishonest athletic program has be quite interesting.

On another note the difference between NCSU's punishment and shoeNC really shows the bias and how UNC and $$ drive the ACC and NCAA.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
08-07-2018, 12:33 PM
Does anyone know where there's a list of all the cheating? I can think of some of them off the top of my head but there's been so many:


Austin/Blake/etc
Tami HansTravel given a job, sleeping with her boss, using UNCheat to travel to see ND play
Wheels for Heels and Fats Thomas
Will Graves busted for pot while living in Roy's house
PJ and all the crap around that
Some crap about mouth guards
Nearly 30 years of systematic cheating by using fake classes to keep thousands athletes eligible to play (including many mens hoops players)
Buying their way out of the cheating scandal and then spending millions on PR to keep their sheep blindly following
shoeNC (the current scandal)


Anyone keep a full list anywhere. The full list for this dishonest athletic program has be quite interesting.

On another note the difference between NCSU's punishment and shoeNC really shows the bias and how UNC and $$ drive the ACC and NCAA.

FITS used to do a great job, for you old schoolers.

PackMan97
08-07-2018, 01:07 PM
Don't forget about the tutor that was paying off parking tickets.

UrinalCake
08-07-2018, 01:16 PM
Tydreke Powell calling into a radio show and revealing that players were instructed to fake a screening test for learning disabilities so they could get diagnosed with ADD and be given prescriptions for adderall.. not surprisingly, that recording has been removed from the interwebs.

NSDukeFan
08-07-2018, 02:46 PM
Tydreke Powell calling into a radio show and revealing that players were instructed to fake a screening test for learning disabilities so they could get diagnosed with ADD and be given prescriptions for adderall.. not surprisingly, that recording has been removed from the interwebs.

That was just misspeaking, kind of like when they admitted to SACS they had cheated, but it didn’t happen when talking with the NCAA.

PackMan97
08-07-2018, 02:55 PM
Tydreke Powell calling into a radio show and revealing that players were instructed to fake a screening test for learning disabilities so they could get diagnosed with ADD and be given prescriptions for adderall.. not surprisingly, that recording has been removed from the interwebs.


You can't erase the interwebs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb_afwa5BZo

OldPhiKap
08-07-2018, 04:32 PM
FITS used to do a great job, for you old schoolers.

Agreed, FITS always put things in their proper context.

Son of Mojo
08-07-2018, 06:22 PM
Was just watching PTI and got so mad hearing Wilbon defend these actions ...how can that network keep perpetuating the myth that all of what goes on there is acceptable??

devildeac
08-07-2018, 07:48 PM
The irony here is strong. The UNC Board of Governors and the NCAA threw the proverbial book at NC State back in the 80's for (wait for it) 3 players selling shoes the players received for free. State's basketball program got 2 years of probation and a postseason ban. In addition, State was barred from off-campus recruiting for a year, got no paid recruiting visits for a year, and was limited to 12 (instead of the customary 15) basketball scholarships for two academic years. Jim Valvano resigned as AD and was later fired as bball coach, and State basketball has never fully recovered.

Fast forward 30 years later. UNC football caught 12 of their players selling shoes and they give them... a 4 game suspension.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/12/13/nc-state-put-on-ncaa-probation/3b418a31-215f-4026-bfa7-139c154a6f3b/?utm_term=.bbf42c189a53

Yea, it would have been nice to see some consistency here but who am I kidding. Disgusting.

UrinalCake
08-07-2018, 08:41 PM
You can't erase the interwebs:

That video hits most of the high points, but there were more details in the full interview including Powell talking about the players carpooling over to their advisor's house so they could pick up their assignments that had been completed for them. The radio show that did the interview used to have the original full audio in their archives, but took it down after a few months.

UrinalCake
08-07-2018, 08:44 PM
Yea, it would have been nice to see some consistency here but who am I kidding. Disgusting.

Honest question for those who were around then... according to the local talk radio (who many Duke and State fans have accused of being heavily biased towards UNC), the reason State received harsher penalties was because there were many more students involved selling shoes over a longer period of time. He also said that some of the State players sold tickets to games. In the case of the CHeats it was only a handful of players selling shoes that they had been issued and it got shut down after a couple of days.

Is there any truth to this? Again the State scandal was before my time so I don't know what actually happened.

devildeac
08-07-2018, 11:02 PM
Honest question for those who were around then... according to the local talk radio (who many Duke and State fans have accused of being heavily biased towards UNC), the reason State received harsher penalties was because there were many more students involved selling shoes over a longer period of time. He also said that some of the State players sold tickets to games. In the case of the CHeats it was only a handful of players selling shoes that they had been issued and it got shut down after a couple of days.

Is there any truth to this? Again the State scandal was before my time so I don't know what actually happened.

We were in Georgia from 1981-86 so I can't help you here. I'm unlikely to believe some local ShoeNC shill like you mentioned above on this one. Jim Sumner likely could recall many of the details. Darn shame that Olympic Fan can't help us with this one :(.

WiJoe
08-07-2018, 11:13 PM
Darn shame that Olympic Fan can't help us with this one :(.

It's not that he CAN'T. He WON'T. Blame goes to the mods. They drove him away. It's more than a darn shame.

PackMan97
08-07-2018, 11:57 PM
Honest question for those who were around then... according to the local talk radio (who many Duke and State fans have accused of being heavily biased towards UNC), the reason State received harsher penalties was because there were many more students involved selling shoes over a longer period of time. He also said that some of the State players sold tickets to games. In the case of the CHeats it was only a handful of players selling shoes that they had been issued and it got shut down after a couple of days.

Is there any truth to this? Again the State scandal was before my time so I don't know what actually happened.

There were two issues with State back in the day.

1) There was the "improper benefits" of selling comp shoes and tickets, which in the end was more or less, no big deal. The NCAA punished and life went on. I don't think these would have been much more than a speed bump in V's success. Yes, the penalties were more than Carolina received, but it was also a different time.

2) There was the moral issue where we took kids who were unprepared for college, put them in the easiest courses we could find and did our best to keep them in good academic standing until their eligibility ran out. State wasn't even progressing kids toward a degree, it was an easy A from this department. An easy A from that department. Whatever or wherever the next passing grade could be found. Zero progress toward graduation. This was the FAR FAR bigger sin. It was the one that caused State's professors and academics to rebel and for the NCAA to issue new guidelines such as "progress toward degree". This is what caused State to no longer be competitive as we put new rules in place to assess academic eligibility after the fall semester and spring semester, where most schools only did it once at the end of the school year and used summer school to catch back up if there were a problem. We also put in new guidelines for recruiting kids, higher requirements for test scores and basically could not recruit the same kinda kids that everyone else was (the Schacklefords, the Washburns, etc). These new self imposed academic based restrictions started State's "long winter".

#2 wasn't really an NCAA issue, but it is what got State flayed in the court of public opinion because it was morally wrong even if it wasn't an NCAA violation. It did lead to some changes in the way the NCAA did some things (see requiring a certain GPA plus progress toward a degree). All our courses were real, just easy and didn't form a coherent course of study. We can of course can see how UNC-CH dealt with it...the creation of the AFAM Potemkin curriculum.

InSpades
08-08-2018, 12:59 AM
Was just watching PTI and got so mad hearing Wilbon defend these actions ...how can that network keep perpetuating the myth that all of what goes on there is acceptable??

There was a similar reaction on another ESPN show (I can't recall the name, but they had 4 "sports reporters" on giving their take). The gist of the response was "it's their shoes, they can do whatever they want w/ them".

How stupid can you be? So it would be okay if Duke gave each basketball player a dozen pairs of exclusive Nike shoes that they could sell for $300 each? Where do you draw the line? How can you be so short-sighted? ESPN is infuriating sometimes (and by sometimes I mean often).

devildeac
08-08-2018, 07:53 AM
There were two issues with State back in the day.

1) There was the "improper benefits" of selling comp shoes and tickets, which in the end was more or less, no big deal. The NCAA punished and life went on. I don't think these would have been much more than a speed bump in V's success. Yes, the penalties were more than Carolina received, but it was also a different time.

2) There was the moral issue where we took kids who were unprepared for college, put them in the easiest courses we could find and did our best to keep them in good academic standing until their eligibility ran out. State wasn't even progressing kids toward a degree, it was an easy A from this department. An easy A from that department. Whatever or wherever the next passing grade could be found. Zero progress toward graduation. This was the FAR FAR bigger sin. It was the one that caused State's professors and academics to rebel and for the NCAA to issue new guidelines such as "progress toward degree". This is what caused State to no longer be competitive as we put new rules in place to assess academic eligibility after the fall semester and spring semester, where most schools only did it once at the end of the school year and used summer school to catch back up if there were a problem. We also put in new guidelines for recruiting kids, higher requirements for test scores and basically could not recruit the same kinda kids that everyone else was (the Schacklefords, the Washburns, etc). These new self imposed academic based restrictions started State's "long winter".

#2 wasn't really an NCAA issue, but it is what got State flayed in the court of public opinion because it was morally wrong even if it wasn't an NCAA violation. It did lead to some changes in the way the NCAA did some things (see requiring a certain GPA plus progress toward a degree). All our courses were real, just easy and didn't form a coherent course of study. We can of course can see how UNC-CH dealt with it...the creation of the AFAM Potemkin curriculum.

Thanks for the additional background/info. Very helpful/useful to know.

devilsadvocate85
08-08-2018, 08:53 AM
There was a similar reaction on another ESPN show (I can't recall the name, but they had 4 "sports reporters" on giving their take). The gist of the response was "it's their shoes, they can do whatever they want w/ them".

How stupid can you be? So it would be okay if Duke gave each basketball player a dozen pairs of exclusive Nike shoes that they could sell for $300 each? Where do you draw the line? How can you be so short-sighted? ESPN is infuriating sometimes (and by sometimes I mean often).

Whenever I see these media and other types talking about this, I wait for anyone to chime in and raise a question that seems so obvious -- "What is to stop boosters of a school from guaranteeing star players that their shoes and other gear will be worth exorbitant amounts of money?" This would be no different than just letting the boosters pay the players.

UrinalCake
08-08-2018, 09:14 AM
Thanks for the info, PackMan. The response of the university is so glaringly different in State’s case, versus the CHeats who have done everything they can to cover things up and escape punishment. I also vaguely remember a State player who got suspended for letting a friend sleep on his couch, it was deemed an impermissible benefit of some sort. The NCAA is just absurd.

And yes, from perusing social media it does appear that public opinion is on SHOE-NC’s side regarding the latest suspensions. People are portraying the players to be poor kids who just needed the money to buy food. Mostly it gives more fuel to the fire for those arguing that players should be paid.

Bob Green
08-08-2018, 09:25 AM
It's not that he CAN'T. He WON'T. Blame goes to the mods. They drove him away. It's more than a darn shame.

This is 100 percent false. OF left of his own volition.

du_bb1
08-08-2018, 09:58 AM
This Charlotte Observer article says:

UNC football players should send NCAA a message -- by boycotting (https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article216190755.html)



That's a mature response.

Late to the party-But this letter/editorial was written by Bob Orr, unc grad and former NC supreme court judge. One would think a former judge would
prefer people/players followed the rules/governing laws-and maybe a bit less hubris-but then again he is a unc grad

PackMan97
08-08-2018, 10:03 AM
I also vaguely remember a State player who got suspended for letting a friend sleep on his couch, it was deemed an impermissible benefit of some sort. The NCAA is just absurd.

The "friend" was former State football player turned agent runner, Eric Leak. Leak let CJ Leslie sleep on his couch and borrow his car. Leak was also linked to an investigation in violating NC agent laws regarding some UNC athletes. Charged with and eventually cut a deal with the feds on multiple counts of Medicare fraud unrelated to his sports agency.

I don't think the NCAA got the "couch + car borrowing" suspension wrong. I have no doubt some additional benefits were provided, just not proven. Leak is not someone who plays by the rules and that's why he is now a convicted felon.

Just a little more background on that "absurd" action by the NCAA.

PackMan97
08-08-2018, 10:05 AM
This Charlotte Observer article says:

UNC football players should send NCAA a message -- by boycotting (https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article216190755.html)

That's a mature response.

In defense of Carolina's defense...I'm pretty sure they've been boycotting for the past few years at least ;)

UrinalCake
08-08-2018, 11:25 AM
Just a little more background on that "absurd" action by the NCAA.

Thanks for clarifying... the version that I heard was that a player had a friend from high school who was visiting for the night and allowed him to sleep on the couch in his dorm room. I guess I shouldn't believe everything I read on the internet :)

I've also heard that another school (not in the ACC) was penalized because their players held a car wash to raise money and connected their hose to the school's water supply. And another anecdote was that at one point schools were allowed to provide granola bars as snacks to their athletes but only if the protein content fell below a certain percentage, otherwise it would be considered a meal and therefore impermissible.

PackMan97
08-08-2018, 11:46 AM
I've also heard that another school (not in the ACC) was penalized because their players held a car wash to raise money and connected their hose to the school's water supply. And another anecdote was that at one point schools were allowed to provide granola bars as snacks to their athletes but only if the protein content fell below a certain percentage, otherwise it would be considered a meal and therefore impermissible.

Female golfer used a water hose not avaialble to the rest of the students to wash her car. Ordered to pay $20.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9325352/ncaa-penalizes-golfer-washing-car

NCAA deregulates protein stuff. Apparently anything other than a meal that got over 30% of its calories from protein was considered a "muscle building supplement" and was thus banned. Because decades old "science".
http://www.ironmagazine.com/2018/ncaa-removes-protein-regulations/

Spanarkel
08-08-2018, 11:57 AM
Thanks for the info, PackMan. The response of the university is so glaringly different in State’s case, versus the CHeats who have done everything they can to cover things up and escape punishment. I also vaguely remember a State player who got suspended for letting a friend sleep on his couch, it was deemed an impermissible benefit of some sort. The NCAA is just absurd.

And yes, from perusing social media it does appear that public opinion is on SHOE-NC’s side regarding the latest suspensions. People are portraying the players to be poor kids who just needed the money to buy food. Mostly it gives more fuel to the fire for those arguing that players should be paid.

ALL scholarship athletes in ALL Power 5 Conferences are supposedly getting cost-of-attendance "supplements" that are most likely in the $4,000-$5,000 per year range for ACC schools.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/article86062792.html

Highlander
08-08-2018, 12:49 PM
There were two issues with State back in the day.

1) There was the "improper benefits" of selling comp shoes and tickets, which in the end was more or less, no big deal. The NCAA punished and life went on. I don't think these would have been much more than a speed bump in V's success. Yes, the penalties were more than Carolina received, but it was also a different time.

2) There was the moral issue where we took kids who were unprepared for college, put them in the easiest courses we could find and did our best to keep them in good academic standing until their eligibility ran out. State wasn't even progressing kids toward a degree, it was an easy A from this department. An easy A from that department. Whatever or wherever the next passing grade could be found. Zero progress toward graduation. This was the FAR FAR bigger sin. It was the one that caused State's professors and academics to rebel and for the NCAA to issue new guidelines such as "progress toward degree". This is what caused State to no longer be competitive as we put new rules in place to assess academic eligibility after the fall semester and spring semester, where most schools only did it once at the end of the school year and used summer school to catch back up if there were a problem. We also put in new guidelines for recruiting kids, higher requirements for test scores and basically could not recruit the same kinda kids that everyone else was (the Schacklefords, the Washburns, etc). These new self imposed academic based restrictions started State's "long winter".

#2 wasn't really an NCAA issue, but it is what got State flayed in the court of public opinion because it was morally wrong even if it wasn't an NCAA violation. It did lead to some changes in the way the NCAA did some things (see requiring a certain GPA plus progress toward a degree). All our courses were real, just easy and didn't form a coherent course of study. We can of course can see how UNC-CH dealt with it...the creation of the AFAM Potemkin curriculum.

Great detail Packman. Thanks! I read the total # of infractions for selling merchandise/tickets for NC State was over 600 documented instances. UNC's totaled 13 people over a couple of weeks (I'm not sure exactly how many instances of selling each player participated in, but I believe it is safe to say it's likely well below NC State 600+ over 4 years. The NC State scandal also came about due to the publishing of the expose' book "Personal Fouls," by Peter Golenbock, so they were not self reported by NC State, at least initially.

The irony for me is how UNC alums led the charge to flay NC State in public for their transgressions, when their program it turns out was just as fraudulent in its academic endeavors.

tteettimes
08-08-2018, 02:03 PM
And we ALL know where Jay Bilas stands on this 😈😈😈😈😈

75Crazie
08-08-2018, 02:40 PM
The irony for me is how UNC alums led the charge to flay NC State in public for their transgressions, when their program it turns out was just as fraudulent in its academic endeavors.
Uh uh … "just as" --> "magnitudes more".

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
08-08-2018, 03:00 PM
Female golfer used a water hose not avaialble to the rest of the students to wash her car. Ordered to pay $20.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9325352/ncaa-penalizes-golfer-washing-car

NCAA deregulates protein stuff. Apparently anything other than a meal that got over 30% of its calories from protein was considered a "muscle building supplement" and was thus banned. Because decades old "science".
http://www.ironmagazine.com/2018/ncaa-removes-protein-regulations/

Well, and now today agents can represent players, including paying for their expenses. I guess if the NCAA knew this was coming, they couldn't swing a hammer at UNC.

Tom B.
08-08-2018, 04:35 PM
I was so happy for him last year when he fulfilled his lifelong dream of throwing a touchdown pass for Duke.


Ah yes, let's enjoy the moment again.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNtlV_cEoNk




I think this needs to be on a billboard somewhere:


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Ima Facultiwyfe
08-08-2018, 07:10 PM
I think its time the Crazies and Wackos start a "not our rival" chant. The University of Noncompliance is not worthy of a rivalry with Duke in any department I can think of. It's a farce.
Love, Ima

Dr. Rosenrosen
08-08-2018, 08:00 PM
“We're in our install periods now. We're installing all of our schemes on offense, defense and special teams," Fedora said Monday.

Truer words have never been spoken by a Cheater.

dudog84
08-08-2018, 08:49 PM
Was just watching PTI and got so mad hearing Wilbon defend these actions ...how can that network keep perpetuating the myth that all of what goes on there is acceptable??


There was a similar reaction on another ESPN show (I can't recall the name, but they had 4 "sports reporters" on giving their take). The gist of the response was "it's their shoes, they can do whatever they want w/ them".

How stupid can you be? So it would be okay if Duke gave each basketball player a dozen pairs of exclusive Nike shoes that they could sell for $300 each? Where do you draw the line? How can you be so short-sighted? ESPN is infuriating sometimes (and by sometimes I mean often).

I can help fix that for ya...I stopped watching anything other than live game action on the worldwide leader years ago. And sometimes mute the audio of that as well.

CameronBornAndBred
08-08-2018, 10:58 PM
Ah yes, let's enjoy the moment again.


Best soccer toss ever.

cato
08-09-2018, 12:06 AM
I can help fix that for ya...I stopped watching anything other than live game action on the worldwide leader years ago. And sometimes mute the audio of that as well.

Yep. One of the beauties of DVR/streaming is the ability to watch only what goes on in the stadium.

PackMan97
08-09-2018, 08:54 AM
I saw a News & Observer article today which had the headline of "Former UNC board members call out the current board: ‘clearly bad governance’". I was very excited to read about how the BoG were dropping the ball on UNC and their cheating ways. Turns out it was just about partisan politics and not even worthy of a link from the DBR.

/sigh

Devil549
08-10-2018, 11:40 PM
The NCAA should burn their Manuel and either write a new simpler vision or don’t have any rules....I guess they are close to that now.

If you ever had the bad fortune to need to read the NCAA Manuel basically it is written by lawyers for lawyers.

College athletics has become a business driven by football and men’s basketball.....why you may ask.....they funded all the other sports for the most part.

OldPhiKap
08-11-2018, 07:11 AM
The NCAA should burn their Manuel and either write a new simpler vision or don’t have any rules...I guess they are close to that now.

If you ever had the bad fortune to need to read the NCAA Manuel basically it is written by lawyers for lawyers.

College athletics has become a business driven by football and men’s basketball....why you may ask....they funded all the other sports for the most part.

What did Manuel ever do to you? And Juan they gonna burn him?

UrinalCake
08-11-2018, 08:29 AM
Are we talking about Manuel Noriega? Lin-Manuel Miranda? I didn’t know he was so hard to read 8-)

CameronBornAndBred
08-11-2018, 08:37 AM
The NCAA should burn their Manuel...

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OldPhiKap
08-11-2018, 08:52 AM
8565

brevity
08-11-2018, 09:35 AM
The NCAA should burn their Manuel and either write a new simpler vision or don’t have any rules...


What did Manuel ever do to you? And Juan they gonna burn him?


Are we talking about Manuel Noriega? Lin-Manuel Miranda? I didn’t know he was so hard to read 8-)

Amateurs. This was the perfect place for a Jackie Manuel (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Manuel) joke. “Did you mean Jackie Manuel? Why should he get all the blame?”

OldPhiKap
08-11-2018, 09:54 AM
“Richard Manuel is dead . . . “

https://youtu.be/mVYQIYKAkLI

(Don’t care if I’m the only one who likes it —still worth posting)

75Crazie
08-11-2018, 06:26 PM
A Fawlty Towers reference always justifies a thread highjack, well done.

Pghdukie
08-11-2018, 09:02 PM
N O is reporting thru Right to know the cheats have spent 21 Million in legal bills defending the school since the AFAM scandal broke.

Dr. Rosenrosen
08-11-2018, 10:17 PM
N O is reporting thru Right to know the cheats have spent 21 Million in legal bills defending the school since the AFAM scandal broke.
And they’ll say it all came from non-state funds. But think of how else $21M could have been used...

martydoesntfoul
08-12-2018, 03:34 PM
N O is reporting thru Right to know the cheats have spent 21 Million in legal bills defending the school since the AFAM scandal broke.Interesting note from the article below. Unfortunately, there is also a depressing reminder the Cheats successfully argued the classes were legit when offered, but not now according to its revised definition. Pathetic.

“Attorneys for athletes in the federal case, Jenkins vs. NCAA, contend the UNC decision makes it hard for the NCAA to claim that athletes are being fairly compensated with a free college education when the NCAA has little say whether classes are legitimate.”

CameronBornAndBred
08-12-2018, 09:54 PM
8564


A Fawlty Towers reference always justifies a thread highjack, well done.

Happy at least one person caught that! :cool:

UrinalCake
08-17-2018, 04:04 PM
Pretty good article with a summary of the cheaters' cheating.

link (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/sports/north-carolina-suspensions-shoes.html)

dudog84
08-17-2018, 05:02 PM
Pretty good article with a summary of the cheaters' cheating.

link (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/sports/north-carolina-suspensions-shoes.html)

That's not a summary, that's a scathing indictment. Thanks for the link. New York Times no less, so it's getting more than regional attention.

Additional bonus: I don't think I've heard or read of "hair shirts" since Barney Jones' class.

devildeac
08-17-2018, 06:56 PM
Pretty good article with a summary of the cheaters' cheating.

link (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/sports/north-carolina-suspensions-shoes.html)


That's not a summary, that's a scathing indictment. Thanks for the link. New York Times no less, so it's getting more than regional attention.

Additional bonus: I don't think I've heard or read of "hair shirts" since Barney Jones' class.

Very nice find. Thanks for sharing. However:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene

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TKG
08-18-2018, 08:26 AM
Pretty good article with a summary of the cheaters' cheating.

link (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/sports/north-carolina-suspensions-shoes.html)

Would like to see the Raleigh N&O reprint this piece.

HereBeforeCoachK
08-18-2018, 12:03 PM
Would like to see the Raleigh N&O reprint this piece.

...Steve Wiseman, call your office.....

devildeac
08-18-2018, 01:29 PM
...Steve Wiseman, call your office....

Steve *might* get in trouble for something like that.

Now, Dan Kane, OTOH...

:D

UrinalCake
08-29-2018, 12:56 PM
Rashaad McCants has published a book that was released today. Would love to find out if any more comes out that we didn’t already know. It won’t make any difference - he’s already proclaimed on national TV that his education was nonexistent and fraudulent - but will be fun to read nonetheless.

https://posthillpress.com/book/plantation-education-the-exploitation-of-the-modern-day-athlete-student

devildeac
08-29-2018, 02:06 PM
Rashaad McCants has published a book that was released today. Would love to find out if any more comes out that we didn’t already know. It won’t make any difference - he’s already proclaimed on national TV that his education was nonexistent and fraudulent - but will be fun to read nonetheless.

https://posthillpress.com/book/plantation-education-the-exploitation-of-the-modern-day-athlete-student

Written by a tutor, I'd guess. :rolleyes:

killerleft
08-29-2018, 02:46 PM
Written by a tutor, I'd guess. :rolleyes:

Mary Willingham wrote the foreword. Maybe she helped.

The description by the PostHill Press talks about 'slaves' and 'slavemasters', so I don't guess Rashad is pulling any punches.