2018 NBA Summer League Thread

[awhom111]

I remember when nobody cared about the Summer League and nobody knew anything about rosters until they were announced. Now it's less suspenseful with bigger names announced well before final press releases, but I am sure we will get a few interesting surprises.

Teams have started announcing their rosters:

Grizzlies:
https://www.nba.com/grizzlies/news/memphis-grizzlies-announce-2018-summer-league-mini-camp-roster-and-schedule-180626

Heat:
https://www.nba.com/heat/news/heat-summer-league-2018

Lakers:
https://www.nba.com/lakers/releases/180627-lakers-2018-summer-league-roster

The league has sneakily created a new parity measure by forcing the Warriors to have J.P. Tokoto on their summer league roster:
http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/summerleague-20180627

[gep]

I agree. Until about last year, I didn't even know when summer league games were. THANKS to DBR, I can easily follow summer league now:cool:

[JasonEvans]

The league has sneakily created a new parity measure by forcing the Warriors to have J.P. Tokoto on their summer league roster:
http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/summerleague-20180627

I hope many of you will join me in sporking awhom for this first rate trolling!

[rsvman]

I hope many of you will join me in sporking awhom for this first rate trolling!

Yep. Loved it, and sporked it before I got to your invitation to spork!

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Interesting, and I hope encouraging, that Quin Cook isn't on the summer league roster. I guess he doesn't have to play there to earn his spot on the big club! :cool:

[awhom111]

Harry and Marvin know who their Kings teammates will be:
https://www.nba.com/kings/news/kings-announce-2018-summer-league-roster

Magic:
https://www.nba.com/magic/news/orlando-magic-announce-nba-summer-league-roster-20180627

Mavericks:
https://www.mavs.com/mavericks-announce-roster-and-schedule-for-mgm-resorts-nba-summer-league-2018/

Spurs:
https://www.nba.com/spurs/spurs-announce-2018-utah-summer-league-roster

[Dukeford]

No more Summer League Andre? Has he decided to move on to something else?

[awhom111]

Grayson and his teammates on the Jazz:
https://www.nba.com/jazz/news/jazz-announce-mini-camp-roster-2018-summer-league

Frank will hopefully be back in action for the Pelicans alongside these guys:
https://www.nba.com/pelicans/news/pelicans-announce-mgm-resorts-nba-summer-league-2018-mini-camp-schedule-and-roster

Semi Ojeleye and the Celtics:
https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/celtics-2018-summer-league-roster-broadcast-schedule

Michael Gbinije will be with the Knicks:
https://www.nba.com/knicks/knicks-announce-2018-nba-summer-league-roster

Hawks:
http://www.nba.com/hawks/hawks-announce-2018-summer-league-roster

Hornets:
https://www.nba.com/hornets/press-releases/hornets-announce-2018-mini-camp-roster

Nets:
https://www.nba.com/nets/news/2018/06/29/brooklyn-nets-summer-league-breaking-down-the-roster

Nuggets:
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/summer-league-roster-mini-camp-062918

Pacers:
https://www.nba.com/pacers/news/pacers-announce-2018-rookie/free-agent-camp-roster

Raptors:
https://www.nba.com/raptors/raptors-announce-nba-summer-league-2018-roster


No more Summer League Andre? Has he decided to move on to something else?

Andre is the kind of player where he may just randomly pop up on a roster without much publicity. It's why I check all of them. Honestly, I am not sure his G League performance this season warrants a look in Summer League and the injury that ended his season was never disclosed so it is hard to say if he is back to his best shape right now. He can certainly be a solid professional somewhere even if it's not the NBA.

[Furniture]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/1013210576133111808/video/1

Harry is looking forward to Monday.

[awhom111]

Monday means actual games. All will be on ESPN3 and times listed are EDT.

Utah:
Hawks vs Grizzlies, 7pm NBATV
Spurs vs Jazz (Grayson), 9pm televised live locally, NBATV at 3am ET

Sacramento:
Heat vs Warriors, 9pm NBATV
Kings (Harry and Marvin) vs Lakers, 11pm NBATV

[DukeTrinity11]

Trae Young struggling mightily in this game for the Hawks while Jaren Jackson Jr. on the Grizzlies is looking pretty good.

[subzero02]

trae young finished 4 of 20 from the field and 1 for 11 from 3.

Grayson is playing now and appears to be fan favorite from the start( it helps that Utah is hosting one of the NBA summer leagues).

[Furniture]

trae young finished 4 of 20 from the field and 1 for 11 from 3.

Grayson is playing now and appears to be fan favorite from the start( it helps that Utah is hosting one of the NBA summer leagues).

Fan favourite? Yes indeed. On one play Grayson played good D and got a nice roar from the crowd. Big cheers just now as he comes back in!

[Billy Dat]

These cheers for Grayson are classic, this is a great situation for him.

[subzero02]

These cheers for Grayson are classic, this is a great situation for him.

The announcers said hundreds of fans showed up yesterday to get his autograph. Getting cheered outside of Cameron has to be kind of weird for Allen:rolleyes:

[nmduke2001]

Oh my goodness Marvin. Monster dunk on Wagner. Then a three.
Harry with his first NBA points as well. Harry has gained about 25 lbs.

[tbyers11]

Bagley just went nuts in the last 2 minutes.
-Spin move and hit the pull up J
-Dunk in secondary break that was absolutely amazing and should cause Mo Wagner to retire
-Hit an NBA 3

The other possession in this 4 possession sequence was Giles getting a hand on a Wagner 3 and running the floor and laying up a long outlet pass from DeAaron Fox that looked like it was going to be a about a foot too far

Nice 2 minutes of summer league

[Billy Dat]

Marvin with a SportsCenter-worthy highlight dunk on Mo Wagner and a nice 3 early on. Good to see Harry looking healthy. This Bagley, Giles, DeAaeon Fox, Frank Mason and Justin Jackson line-up is like a college hoops festival.

[subzero02]

Marvin with a SportsCenter-worthy highlight dunk on Mo Wagner and a nice 3 early on. Good to see Harry looking healthy. This Bagley, Giles, DeAaeon Fox, Frank Mason and Justin Jackson line-up is like a college hoops festival.


is he by any chance related to Aeon Flux?

[Furniture]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DukeNBA/status/1013964984232103936/video/1

[awhom111]

No Duke ties in the first game in Utah as the Grizzlies beat the Hawks 103-88
http://www.nba.com/games/20180702/ATLMEM#/boxscore

Grayson had 11 points, 8 rebounds, and 7 assists in 22 minutes as Utah beat the Spurs 92-76.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180702/SASUTA#/boxscore

In Sacramento, the Warriors beat the Heat 79-68 and we had our first excess fouling of the season as Bam Adebayo hit 7 and Damian Jones bested him with 8.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180702/MIAGSW#/boxscore

Both Harry and Marvin had their time to shine as the Kings beat the Lakers 98-93. Harry had 13 points in 29 minutes, although he did have 6 fouls while Marvin had 18 points and 6 rebounds in 32 minutes. De'Aaron Fox wanted some attention too, so he picked up 7 fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180702/LALSAC#/boxscore

Wednesday's Schedule (all times EDT, NBATV games also available on ESPN3):

Utah:
Spurs vs Hawks, 7pm NBATV
Grizzlies vs Jazz (Grayson), 9pm NBATV

Sacramento:
Heat vs Lakers, 9pm ESPN2
Warriors vs Kings (Harry and Marvin), 11pm NBATV

Here are a few more rosters:

Luke and the Pistons:
https://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/pistons/files/summerleague2018roster.pdf

Gary and the Blazers:
http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/trail-blazers-announce-2018-summer-league-roster

Clippers:
https://www.nba.com/clippers/news/2018-summer-league-roster

Bucks:
https://www.nba.com/bucks/release/bucks-announce-2018-summer-league-roster

Suns:
https://www.nba.com/suns/press-release/suns-announce-2018-summer-league-roster

[Billy Dat]

is he by any chance related to Aeon Flux?

He’s trying to cross over with the anime fans!

[TKG]

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/mdukao/picture214248259/alternates/FREE_960/Kings%20CC%200702_2_2

[DavidBenAkiva]

https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/mdukao/picture214248259/alternates/FREE_960/Kings%20CC%200702_2_2

Oh man I am seriously hoping this duo becomes THE frontcourt in 2-3 years. Marvin and Harry both possess games tailor-made for the NBA and compliment each other so well. Each can shoot it, run to the rim, and rebound. De'Aaron Fox has a couple of studs in the frontcourt and is a very exciting point guard that will get these two involved. As a cherry on top, Marvin and Harry have the opportunity to force a pair of Kentucky kids to the bench in Willie Cauley-Stein and Skal Labissier.

[FerryFor50]

Bagley just went nuts in the last 2 minutes.
-Spin move and hit the pull up J
-Dunk in secondary break that was absolutely amazing and should cause Mo Wagner to retire
-Hit an NBA 3

The other possession in this 4 possession sequence was Giles getting a hand on a Wagner 3 and running the floor and laying up a long outlet pass from DeAaron Fox that looked like it was going to be a about a foot too far

Nice 2 minutes of summer league

Mo might have gotten dunked on, but he definitely held his own against the Kings frontcourt. He also was jawing back and forth with Giles and was showing some real toughness. Wagner might be a hidden gem.

Giles was playing way too fast - doesn't have his "NBA legs" yet. But he definitely had some plus plays and was swarming on defense. Looks like he was ready to play his first ever NBA game.

Bagley was doing Bagley things, but you can definitely see he'll need to adjust a bit to the NBA - had his shot blocked straight up a couple of times and was getting pushed around a bit because he's not super strong. Once he starts to gain weight and muscle, he'll be fine.

[subzero02]

I hope Trae Young is more durable than he looks. He spends an awful lot of time picking himself up from the floor.

[tbyers11]

Mo might have gotten dunked on, but he definitely held his own against the Kings frontcourt. He also was jawing back and forth with Giles and was showing some real toughness. Wagner might be a hidden gem.

Giles was playing way too fast - doesn't have his "NBA legs" yet. But he definitely had some plus plays and was swarming on defense. Looks like he was ready to play his first ever NBA game.

Bagley was doing Bagley things, but you can definitely see he'll need to adjust a bit to the NBA - had his shot blocked straight up a couple of times and was getting pushed around a bit because he's not super strong. Once he starts to gain weight and muscle, he'll be fine.

I watched the first quarter and agree that Wagner looked pretty good. Although for a shooter, he didn't shoot very well.

Giles and, especially Bagley, do have to add strength and play better D. They didn't look like polished vets out there, but the potential shown from both in that 2 minute stretch was pretty exceptional

[awhom111]

The day started with the Spurs beating the Hawks 103-81.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180703/SASATL#/boxscore

Grayson was rested as the Jazz lost to the Grizzlies 95-92.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180703/MEMUTA#/boxscore

The Heat beat the Lakers 89-74 in Sacramento.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180703/MIALAL#/boxscore

Harry had 4 points in 28 minutes and Marvin had 7 points and 7 rebounds in 26 minutes as the Kings lost to the Warriors 71-54.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180703/GSWSAC#/boxscore

Here are Wendell's Chicago teammates:
https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-announce-2018-mgm-resorts-nba-summer-league-roster

Cavaliers:
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/releases/summer-league-roster-2018

The Pistons announced that Luke will be held out of Summer League.

[CameronBornAndBred]

How many points did Liangelo Ball score? :rolleyes:

[CDu]

Oof, rough game two for Bagley and Giles. Bagley went 3-16 from the field. Giles was only slightly better at 2-9.

[awhom111]

After a day off, we get a quadruple header on Thursday on NBATV and ESPN3 (times ET):
Lakers vs Warriors, 3pm
Heat vs Kings (Harry and Marvin), 5pm
Grizzlies vs Spurs, 7pm
Hawks vs Jazz (Grayson?), 9pm

[elvis14]

T

Grayson was rested as the Jazz lost to the Grizzlies 95-92.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180703/MEMUTA#/boxscore


Tuned in to watch this game and was quite disappointed when Grayson was rested.

Thanks awhom111 for all the updates.

[FerryFor50]

Oof, rough game two for Bagley and Giles. Bagley went 3-16 from the field. Giles was only slightly better at 2-9.

Bagley was pretty bad; he kept getting out-muscled inside. Had a few shots blocked one on one. But, to his credit, he kept playing hard and being aggressive and didn't let his bad night affect his effort.

Giles still looks like he plays too fast and is a bit clumsy at times. He'll figure it out, but I think Bagley and Giles were hurt by DeAngelo Fox sitting out. Frank Mason doesn't push the pace nearly as well.

[UrinalCake]

JP Tokoto checking in with a 2-8 (0-2) performance so far. Some things never change....

[Bob Green]

JP Tokoto checking in with a 2-8 (0-2) performance so far. Some things never change...

I always liked Tokoto. He couldn't shoot but he did a lot of other things like hustle and play defense.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I always liked Tokoto. He couldn't shoot but he did a lot of other things like hustle and play defense.

I loved his passion. Er, I meant "passing."

Seemed it was 50/50 likely to be a turnover.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

I always liked Tokoto. He couldn't shoot but he did a lot of other things like hustle and play defense.

He was a likeable enough kid, but that was the exact opposite of my take of Tokoto... except I’d agree, he wasn’t a great shooter.

I’d call him flashy, full of unfulfilled potential. I’ve seen hundreds of players over the year like him. He never got the mental toughness side of the game.

He was very talented, a good team mate, but never shed the soft label from me.
I never thought he did the dirty work of really hustling and playing D. I always felt like he coasted through on his athleticism looking for a big play moment.

His career was defined for me by one play...where he failed to even try to fight through the screen/hold (no foul, bang bang play), by a tough/scrappy Winslow that allowed Jones an uncontested drive to the rim for a big Duke win. He made no effort in a situation that screamed effort, but where there was no time to think about effort...it should have come from effort in his DNA and it wasn’t there.

He was soft, and worse, it was contagious on the teams he was on with young players like Brice Johnson, Meeks, Hicks, and Justin Jackson.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

Here’s the late game highlights from that game...note the Passive D from Tokoto...and the great plays from Jones if you must👏

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P9XCGc4OVHk

[Bob Green]

He was very talented, a good team mate, but never shed the soft label from me.
I never thought he did the dirty work of really hustling and playing D. I always felt like he coasted through on his athleticism looking for a big play moment.

I'm sure you watched him a lot more than me but I never thought he was soft. Perhaps I was deceived by his athleticism.

[Wander]

JP Tokoto checking in with a 2-8 (0-2) performance so far. Some things never change...


I always liked Tokoto. He couldn't shoot but he did a lot of other things like hustle and play defense.



He was a likeable enough kid, but that was the exact opposite of my take of Tokoto... except I’d agree, he wasn’t a great shooter.

In a decade of reading DBR, I think the most bizarre* argument I've ever gotten into was with a prominent poster in the 2016 preseason. They were genuinely taking the position that UNC was going to really miss Tokoto's quality 3 point shooting, which was one of their main reasons for thinking that anyone who thought UNC would end up better than UVA that year was an idiot.

*By "most bizarre" I mean just the most obviously wrong position taken by someone. If we're talking about straight-up weirdness, maybe that SIU fan who was 100% convinced that we would not only lose to them, but also lose our following few games because SIU so thoroughly dominates opponents that they experience a "Saluki hangover." Ah DBR...

[subzero02]

Grayson is struggling with his shot but he is distributing the ball very well. I think he has 8 assists through 2 and 2/3 quarters.

[moonpie23]

Grayson and Tre young get tangled up, some pushing, some judo.......double techs.....

grayson is a targeted player....that ish from college is gonna stick like a nickname...

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Grayson and Tre young get tangled up, some pushing, some judo....double techs....

grayson is a targeted player...that ish from college is gonna stick like a nickname...

I really, really doubt it.

[BigZ]

Yeah JJ didn’t have his reputation follow him into the MBA


Trae Young is terrible tho

[subzero02]

They just gave some interesting stats on Grayson from his college years.

He had 100+ baskets made around the rim as a sophomore; I believe 50+ as a junior and 30+ as a senior(carter/bagley effect).

Grayson is playing effective basketball on the offensive end but definitely lacks some elusiveness as a ballhandler. His quickness isn't likely to improve so he is really going go to have to focus on his handles.

9 pts 5 reb 8asts 3steals

[subzero02]

Yeah JJ didn’t have his reputation follow him into the MBA


Trae Young is terrible tho

MBA? I thought JJ had to delay taking the GMAT due to Philadelphia's surprise playoff run and therefore has yet to enroll in any MBA program. I've heard business school can be fiercely competitive but hopefully his classmates won't harass him over antics from over a decade ago. :-)

[WHOneedsSOX]

Now the Allen play is all over the news again. What'd he even do? Push Trae Young away with his head after Young started it all by trying to throw Allen down?

[awhom111]

Action finished in the other two summer leagues ahead of the main attraction in Las Vegas.

The Warriors finished sweeping the Sacramento league with a 77-71 win over the Lakers.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180705/LALGSW#/boxscore

Harry had 11 points and 12 rebounds and hit the 7 foul mark in 27 minutes while Marvin had an unusual line of 1 point in 29 minutes as the Kings lost to the Heat 86-76.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180705/MIASAC#/boxscore

San Antonio beat Memphis 94-87 as Deyonta Davis was worried about his team's rookie big overshadowing him so he picked up 8 fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180705/MEMSAS#/boxscore

Grayson had 9 points, 6 rebounds, and 8 assists in 27 minutes in Utah's 92-87 win over Atlanta.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180705/ATLUTA#/boxscore

Here are the remaining rosters:

Trevon's teammates on the Rockets:
https://www.nba.com/rockets/news/las-vegas-summer-league-schedule

Amile and the Timberwolves:
https://www.nba.com/timberwolves/timberwolves-announce-mgm-resorts-nba-summer-league-2018-las-vegas-roster

Sixers:
https://www.nba.com/sixers/76ers-announce-mgm-resorts-nba-summer-league-2018-roster-and-schedule

Thunder:
http://files.constantcontact.com/43f0f7c4501/012b3f7c-7cee-49e0-8977-278319cd3ffe.pdf

Wizards:
https://www.nba.com/wizards/wizards-announce-2018-summer-league-roster

Here is Friday's schedule as Las Vegas play starts (all times ET, games on NBATV also on ESPN3):
Rockets (Trevon) vs Pacers, 3:00pm NBATV
Raptors vs Pelican (Frank), 3:30pm ESPNU
Nets vs Magic, 5:00pm NBATV
Thunder vs Hornets, 5:30pm ESPNU
Bucks vs Pistons, 7:00pm NBATV
Celtics vs Sixers, 7:30pm ESPN
Cavaliers vs Wizards, 9:00pm NBATV
Mavericks vs Suns, 9:30pm ESPN
Nuggets vs Timberwolves (Amile), 11:00pm NBATV
Clippers vs Warriors, 11:30pm ESPN

[subzero02]

According to the front page, Luke Kennard is out for summer league play due to a left knee strain. I was really looking forward to watching him show off the developments in his game. JJ really took advantage of the Orlando summer league during his early years with the Magic.I believe the steady improvement he has shown throughout his career was facilitated by the time he spent as the focal point of his summer league squads. I hope Kennard can a follow a similar or even accelerated path of progression.

[JasonEvans]

Grayson had 9 points, 6 rebounds, and 8 assists in 27 minutes in Utah's 92-87 win over Atlanta.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180705/ATLUTA#/boxscore

Sportstalk radio in Atlanta is in full-on freak-out mode over Trae Young's summer league performance thus far. The Hawks traded away from Luca Doncic to get a guy who just went

vs. Utah 3-16 FGs, 1-8 3FGs, 7 Ast, 6 TOs
vs. SA 5-16 FGs, 1-5 3FGs, 3 Ast, 3 TOs
vs. Mem 4-20 FGs, 1-11 3FGs, 3 Ast, 2 TOs

So, he just shot 23% from the field, 12.5% from three with almost 4 turnovers per game... in the summer league against a bunch of guys who have only a small chance of even making a NBA roster. Yikes!

-Jason "the Hawks are the early favorite to make the top of the lottery again in 2019, that's for sure!" Evans

[dukelifer]

Grayson is struggling with his shot but he is distributing the ball very well. I think he has 8 assists through 2 and 2/3 quarters.

The announcers were impressed with his court awareness. His shooting will come but he was struggling yesterday. But he knows how to get to the line and can handle the physicality.

[devildeac]

Oh man I am seriously hoping this duo becomes THE frontcourt in 2-3 years. Marvin and Harry both possess games tailor-made for the NBA and compliment each other so well. Each can shoot it, run to the rim, and rebound. De'Aaron Fox has a couple of studs in the frontcourt and is a very exciting point guard that will get these two involved. As a cherry on top, Marvin and Harry have the opportunity to force a pair of Kentucky kids to the bench in Willie Cauley-Stein and Skal Labissier.

Whoa, MB3 still wearing Ferry's #? WTH?

:o:rolleyes:

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Grayson and Tre young get tangled up, some pushing, some judo....double techs....

grayson is a targeted player...that ish from college is gonna stick like a nickname...

I was just putting on the soccer pre-game and had the misfortune of catching the end of a rant by Cris Carter about how Grayson continues to have major behavioral issues and it is Coach K's fault that it is now continuing into the NBA. As the kids say these days, OMG...

[dukelifer]

I was just putting on the soccer pre-game and had the misfortune of catching the end of a rant by Cris Carter about how Grayson continues to have major behavioral issues and it is Coach K's fault that it is now continuing into the NBA. As the kids say these days, OMG...

The same Chris Carter that signed with an agent and became ineligible which contributed to the firing of his head coach and then had drug problems in his rookie year? The same Chris Carter is lecturing about behavioral issues?

[NSDukeFan]

I assume this is a different Cris Carter than the one who just caught touchdowns?

[FerryFor50]

Sportstalk radio in Atlanta is in full-on freak-out mode over Trae Young's summer league performance thus far. The Hawks traded away from Luca Doncic to get a guy who just went

vs. Utah 3-16 FGs, 1-8 3FGs, 7 Ast, 6 TOs
vs. SA 5-16 FGs, 1-5 3FGs, 3 Ast, 3 TOs
vs. Mem 4-20 FGs, 1-11 3FGs, 3 Ast, 2 TOs

So, he just shot 23% from the field, 12.5% from three with almost 4 turnovers per game... in the summer league against a bunch of guys who have only a small chance of even making a NBA roster. Yikes!

-Jason "the Hawks are the early favorite to make the top of the lottery again in 2019, that's for sure!" Evans

Yea, Young has looked awful. Poor shot selection (news flash, Trae: You're not Steph Curry), making bad decisions and isn't quite strong enough to absorb contact at the NBA level.

He may eventually figure it out, but if I'm a Hawks fan, I'm higher on Omari Spellman right now.

[Indoor66]

Sportstalk radio in Atlanta is in full-on freak-out mode over Trae Young's summer league performance thus far. The Hawks traded away from Luca Doncic to get a guy who just went

vs. Utah 3-16 FGs, 1-8 3FGs, 7 Ast, 6 TOs
vs. SA 5-16 FGs, 1-5 3FGs, 3 Ast, 3 TOs
vs. Mem 4-20 FGs, 1-11 3FGs, 3 Ast, 2 TOs

So, he just shot 23% from the field, 12.5% from three with almost 4 turnovers per game... in the summer league against a bunch of guys who have only a small chance of even making a NBA roster. Yikes!

-Jason "the Hawks are the early favorite to make the top of the lottery again in 2019, that's for sure!" Evans

Ahhhhh, the joys of "potential".

[CDu]

Sportstalk radio in Atlanta is in full-on freak-out mode over Trae Young's summer league performance thus far. The Hawks traded away from Luca Doncic to get a guy who just went

vs. Utah 3-16 FGs, 1-8 3FGs, 7 Ast, 6 TOs
vs. SA 5-16 FGs, 1-5 3FGs, 3 Ast, 3 TOs
vs. Mem 4-20 FGs, 1-11 3FGs, 3 Ast, 2 TOs

So, he just shot 23% from the field, 12.5% from three with almost 4 turnovers per game... in the summer league against a bunch of guys who have only a small chance of even making a NBA roster. Yikes!

-Jason "the Hawks are the early favorite to make the top of the lottery again in 2019, that's for sure!" Evans


Yea, Young has looked awful. Poor shot selection (news flash, Trae: You're not Steph Curry), making bad decisions and isn't quite strong enough to absorb contact at the NBA level.

He may eventually figure it out, but if I'm a Hawks fan, I'm higher on Omari Spellman right now.

To be fair, Curry wasn't this version of Curry back in the 2009 Summer League either. And he was two years older than Young is now at that time. Lots of guys struggled in summer league during their first introduction to the NBA and still turned out okay. Curry went 26-80 from the field (32.5%) and averaged just 4.2 assists to 3.6 turnovers per game in his summer league appearance. Derrick Rose was even worse, shooting 5-17 (29.4%) and having 5.5 assists to 4 turnovers per game in his summer league.

Not saying Young will be good or great in the NBA. Just saying I wouldn't worry too much about his performance in summer league.

[UrinalCake]

Too early to hit the panic button on Young, but that trade was terrible. It reeks of a GM trying to prove how smart he is by doing something shocking, instead of just making the smart play.

[Natty_B]

Now the Allen play is all over the news again. What'd he even do? Push Trae Young away with his head after Young started it all by trying to throw Allen down?

It really is all over the place today. Kinda glad this doesn't involve Duke anymore. When Redick started his career he didn't have NBA twitter pouring over his every move. Gonna be tougher for Grayson.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

It really is all over the place today. Kinda glad this doesn't involve Duke anymore. When Redick started his career he didn't have NBA twitter pouring over his every move. Gonna be tougher for Grayson.

I think it will be much much easier. By getting T'd up in his second game, he has brought it back on himself. But it's a blip on the side bar at ESPN.com saying "Young, Allen T'd up after summer league scuffle."

This is nothing compared to the 24/7 coverage he got previously.

But still, dude, maybe don't put yourself in these positions unless you want to get a Laimbeer reputation.

[subzero02]

I think it will be much much easier. By getting T'd up in his second game, he has brought it back on himself. But it's a blip on the side bar at ESPN.com saying "Young, Allen T'd up after summer league scuffle."

This is nothing compared to the 24/7 coverage he got previously.

But still, dude, maybe don't put yourself in these positions unless you want to get a Laimbeer reputation.

Grayson is highly aggressive and super competitive. He will consistently find himself in these situations based solely on his style of play. Toss in the fact that every once in a while an opponent will try to antagonize him for whatever reason and you have a scenario where Grayson will pick up a few technicals each year. It's not really that big of a deal honestly. It's part of the game when you play with a high level of aggression. I think that if he curtailed his intensity, his effectiveness as a player would suffer.

[sagegrouse]

I think it will be much much easier. By getting T'd up in his second game, he has brought it back on himself. But it's a blip on the side bar at ESPN.com saying "Young, Allen T'd up after summer league scuffle."

This is nothing compared to the 24/7 coverage he got previously.

But still, dude, maybe don't put yourself in these positions unless you want to get a Laimbeer reputation.

IMHO (where the H got tripped and fell out of line), there is nothing better in the NBA than being seen as a bad dude.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

IMHO (where the H got tripped and fell out of line), there is nothing better in the NBA than being seen as a "badI'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.I'm a real wanker for saying this.."

Well, it depends. I personally thought Bill Laimbeer was awesome. And Kevin McHale. And Oakley.

Lots of people don't/didn’t.

[fraggler]

I think it will be much much easier. By getting T'd up in his second game, he has brought it back on himself. But it's a blip on the side bar at ESPN.com saying "Young, Allen T'd up after summer league scuffle."

This is nothing compared to the 24/7 coverage he got previously.

But still, dude, maybe don't put yourself in these positions unless you want to get a Laimbeer reputation.

Stop. How did he bring it on himself and how could he have avoided this situation?

[moonpie23]

perhaps my post was not clear. I wasn't talking so much about GA's "play", as the immediate, and instantaneous media response. Grayson is a tough dude, and he's gonna find himself in physical confrontations often. Doesn't mean he's right or wrong, it just means he's gonna get the scrutiny from the press.. This happens to ANY two other new cats in the summer league and it's NOTHING...but, because it's Allen...well...tongues gotta wag...

he's just keepin' it gangsta.... :)

[Billy Dat]

Grayson is highly aggressive and super competitive. He will consistently find himself in these situations based solely on his style of play. Toss in the fact that every once in a while an opponent will try to antagonize him for whatever reason and you have a scenario where Grayson will pick up a few technicals each year. It's not really that big of a deal honestly. It's part of the game when you play with a high level of aggression. I think that if he curtailed his intensity, his effectiveness as a player would suffer.

I agree. While he is a choir boy off the court, he wears the black hat on the court. NBA players are going to test him as they would test any rookie, and his earned reputation is going to mean that guys like Trae Young, themselves trying to earn a rep, are also going to want to test him, or at least meet his aggression, lest they be labeled as soft. This kind of stuff will continue for a while and likely die down the more he is integrated into the league.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Stop. How did he bring it on himself and how could he have avoided this situation?

Hey, stay classy. Please don't tell me to "stop."

I never said anything was over the top. He and Young got tangled up. In a vacuum, it is a literal nonstory and no headlines.

I didn’t say he brought it on himself or that he could have avoided it. But, it was his second summer league game, and Grayson certainly does not get the benefit of the doubt anymore.

For bettwr and for worse, he has the agency to write his own story moving forward. I hope he makes the most of it.

[JasonEvans]

he's just keepin' it gangsta... :)

Grayson needs to get a half dozen tats and embrace his gangsta image. He could become one of the biggest endorsers around among bench players.

[sagegrouse]

I agree. While he is a choir boy off the court, he wears the black hat on the court. NBA players are going to test him as they would test any rookie, and his earned reputation is going to mean that guys like Trae Young, themselves trying to earn a rep, are also going to want to test him, or at least meet his aggression, lest they be labeled as soft. This kind of stuff will continue for a while and likely die down the more he is integrated into the league.

I think Grayson is doing just fine, assuming his shot returns. Hos court play, when I have seen it, had been excellent -- a ton of assists and quite a few boards.

So, we have a guy with NBA abilities, a multi-million dollar contract, a combative attitude, a Duke degree, and four years as Academic All-ACC. I'd say his "life arc" is pretty impressive.

[fraggler]

Hey, stay classy. Please don't tell me to "stop."

I never said anything was over the top. He and Young got tangled up. In a vacuum, it is a literal nonstory and no headlines.

I didn’t say he brought it on himself or that he could have avoided it. But, it was his second summer league game, and Grayson certainly does not get the benefit of the doubt anymore.

For bettwr and for worse, he has the agency to write his own story moving forward. I hope he makes the most of it.

You literally wrote that he brought it back on himself and that he needs to not put himself in these situations. Given this specific circumstance, I thought your statements inaccurate and inflammatory.

[fraggler]

I agree. While he is a choir boy off the court, he wears the black hat on the court. NBA players are going to test him as they would test any rookie, and his earned reputation is going to mean that guys like Trae Young, themselves trying to earn a rep, are also going to want to test him, or at least meet his aggression, lest they be labeled as soft. This kind of stuff will continue for a while and likely die down the more he is integrated into the league.

I agree. This is likely the worst it will get (I hope), since everyone in summer league is trying to prove something (especially a high lottery pick like Trae who has been terrible thus far). Once he is on the court with rotation players, he will likely be an afterthought for the most part.

[JNort]

Hey, stay classy. Please don't tell me to "stop."

I never said anything was over the top. He and Young got tangled up. In a vacuum, it is a literal nonstory and no headlines.

I didn’t say he brought it on himself or that he could have avoided it. But, it was his second summer league game, and Grayson certainly does not get the benefit of the doubt anymore.

For bettwr and for worse, he has the agency to write his own story moving forward. I hope he makes the most of it.
I think it's mostly you saying "don't put yourself in these positions". Frag was just wanting to point out that Grayson didn't put himself in a situation, I think.

[fraggler]

I think it's mostly you saying "don't put yourself in these positions". Frag was just wanting to point out that Grayson didn't put himself in a situation, I think.

Yes, basically.

[JNort]

Frank Jackson off to a great start! Still think trading him for cash considerations was a huggeee mistake. In a talented draft class I still think he could be the biggest steal (Perhaps not as big of a steal as Donovan was).

[tbyers11]

Frank Jackson off to a great start! Still think trading him for cash considerations was a huggeee mistake. In a talented draft class I still think he could be the biggest steal (Perhaps not as big of a steal as Donovan was).

Frank had a good game
13 pts (4-7 FG, 0-1 3PG, 5-5 FT), 6R, 1A, 3TO in 12 minutes

Duval off to an even better start with Houston
20 pts (7-10 FG, 2-2 3PG, 4-8 FT), 3R, 2A, 3TO in 23 minutes

Didn't watch either game. Going off box scores

[Billy Dat]

Frank had a good game
13 pts (4-7 FG, 0-1 3PG, 5-5 FT), 6R, 1A, 3TO in 12 minutes

Duval off to an even better start with Houston
20 pts (7-10 FG, 2-2 3PG, 4-8 FT), 3R, 2A, 3TO in 23 minutes

Didn't watch either game. Going off box scores

Frank sprained his ankle but reports are that x-rays are negative so I am guessing his Summer League is over. Still, though, nice debut! As for Trevon - good for him. It would be nice to play well enough to get signed by the end of Summer League.

[dukelifer]

Frank sprained his ankle but reports are that x-rays are negative so I am guessing his Summer League is over. Still, though, nice debut! As for Trevon - good for him. It would be nice to play well enough to get signed by the end of Summer League.

That is a really big game by Duval. He showed he belongs. If he has another similar game- he will be signed.

[subzero02]

I'm upset that I missed Duval's performance today. I am not surprised at all though. I posted in another thread that I thought the free flowing summer league games would give Trevon a chance to show off his strongest offensive attributes. Going 2 for 2 on 3s is a nice bonus. Hopefully he can stay above 30% from the arc for the remainder of his summer leagues games.

I guess AWHOM111 can answer this question

Could a team aside from the Rockets sign Duval to an NBA contract before the end of summer league play? Can the Rockets even sign him before the end of summer league?

[CDu]

I'm upset that I missed Duval's performance today. I am not surprised at all though. I posted in another thread that I thought the free flowing summer league games would give Trevon a chance to show off his strongest offensive attributes. Going 2 for 2 on 3s is a nice bonus. Hopefully he can stay above 30% from the arc for the remainder of his summer leagues games.

I guess AWHOM111 can answer this question

Could a team aside from the Rockets sign Duval to an NBA contract before the end of summer league play? Can the Rockets even sign him before the end of summer league?

Yes, and yes.

[subzero02]

Thanks. I wouldn't be surprised if someone wraps him up before league play ends. The Cavs take on the Wizards in a few minutes. I expect big things from Sexton throughout the year and wouldn't be surprised if he has a dominant Summer league.

[Furniture]

I'm upset that I missed Duval's performance today. I am not surprised at all though. I posted in another thread that I thought the free flowing summer league games would give Trevon a chance to show off his strongest offensive attributes. Going 2 for 2 on 3s is a nice bonus. Hopefully he can stay above 30% from the arc for the remainder of his summer leagues games.

I guess AWHOM111 can answer this question

Could a team aside from the Rockets sign Duval to an NBA contract before the end of summer league play? Can the Rockets even sign him before the end of summer league?

You can watch a replay on ESPN3.

[fraggler]

That is a really big game by Duval. He showed he belongs. If he has another similar game- he will be signed.

Watching the replay on WatchESPN - he definitely belongs. He should have several more assists but his teammates are hitting the side of the backboard and fumbling passes off their knees. Greg Anthony is doing a great job pointing out the little things that Duval is able to do that are pro level things (pocket passes in traffic, kick outs, etc.) and that the team simply runs better when he is in. His jumper still looks a little unnatural, but his release point is higher and more consistent now so the arc of the ball looks good. If he can get to league average as a shooter, he should have a solid career. I just hope he gets a real chance.

[awhom111]

Trevon had 20 points in 23 minutes as the Rockets beat the Pacers 92-89. What everyone really cares about is how many players picked up 7 fouls and neither team disappointed as Zhou Qi, De'Anthony Melton, and Aaron Holiday all hit that mark.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180706/HOUIND#/boxscore

Frank had 12 points and 6 rebounds in his 13 minutes and then Cheick Diallo committed 8 fouls in disappointment after he left the game as the Pelicans beat the Raptors 90-77.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180706/TORNOP#/boxscore

The Magic beat the Nets 86-80 in a game that lacked both Duke ties and excessive fouling.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180706/BKNORL#/boxscore

Also failing to produce any interesting storylines was the Hornets' 88-87 win over the Thunder.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180706/OKCCHA#/boxscore

The Pistons could have used Luke as their game turned into unintentional Virginia-Wisconsin territory when the Bucks beat them 57-47.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180706/MILDET#/boxscore

Guerschon Yabusele got into the fouling spirit with 7 as the Celtics beat the Sixers 95-89.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180706/BOSPHI#/boxscore

Aaron Harrison had 7 fouls for the Wizards in their 72-59 loss to the Cavaliers.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180706/CLEWAS#/boxscore

The Suns beat the Mavericks 92-85 in a game that was not as intriguing as it could have been.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180706/DALPHX#/boxscore

Amile had 12 points and 14 rebounds in 28 minutes the Timberwolves lost to the Nuggets 70-69.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180706/DENMIN#/boxscore

The day ended with Josh Magette picking up 7 fouls and helping the Warriors beat the Clippers 77-71.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180706/LACGSW#/boxscore

Here is Saturday's schedule (all times ET, games on NBATV also on ESPN3):
Trailblazers (Gary) vs Jazz (Grayson), 3:00pm NBATV
Spurs vs Pacers, 3:30pm ESPN2
Heat vs Pelicans (no Frank), 5:00pm NBATV
Knicks vs Hawks, 5:30pm ESPN2
Thunder vs Nets, 7:00pm NBATV
Suns vs Kings (Harry and Marvin), 7:30pm ESPN
Pistons vs Grizzlies, 9:00pm NBATV
Bull (Wendell) vs Cavaliers, 9:30pm ESPN2
Celtics vs Nuggets, 11:00pm NBATV
Sixers vs Lakers, 11:30pm ESPN

[Furniture]

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texas-sports-nation/rockets/article/Duke-s-Trevon-Duval-ready-for-shot-with-Rockets-13053990.php

This this the first article I have found since the draft with some quotes from Trevon. Looks like he is still talking to K. I’m really pulling for him.

“(Draft night was) very difficult, of course,” Duval said. “But God has a plan for me, and I’m just trying to stay the course right now.
“(Going undrafted) never really crossed my mind, until it happened. (I) definitely was shocked, but it happened. It’s the past. Now, I’m moving forward from it.”

Duval said he spoke to Krzyzewski after signing with the Rockets’ Summer League team.
“He told me to stay the course,” Duval said. “(He told me to) do what I do best and just focus on the goal and everything will take care of itself.”

[elvis14]

Really glad to hear that Duvall had a strong start. I hope he keeps it up and makes a roster.

Lots of posts about Grayson. Like someone said, he's playing well but not shooting well. Hope his shots start to fall. I've watched a few of his summer league games and he looks poised and in control. As for the Trae Young thing, I was watching that live. Let's preface this by saying that Young was something like 0 fer 13 when he went after Allen. TY had the ball with GA guarding him closely. GA had his left arm extended near TY when TY swung the ball with his arms under GA's left arm up towards his arm pit. Looked like he was attempting a Kevin Durant/Paul Pierce rip thru to draw a foul. Only problem is that TY brought the ball up under GA's arm pit, and GA, who is much stronger than TY didn't just give or flop (which I loved because GA has grit). At that point they were a bit tangled....instead of handling it properly TY then did all he could to try and throw GA. He failed. GA, after the ridiculous TY throw attempt, was bent at the waist and he did turn into TY with his shoulder, push TY off of him, stood up, put his arms in the air and backed away (and tripped a bit over the refs foot). Call should have been a PF on GA and a Tech on TY. Sadly, they T'd up GA too which was a mistake. Later ESPN brought it up during the Sportscenter intro as one of the top stories on a day where 2 WC matches and many Wimbledon matches were played (they suck).

[subzero02]

Grayson is struggling with his shot again but is still playing fairly well. He just got into another skirmish; this time involving Wade Baldwin IV... to be more accurate they got tied up for a second and Wade pushed Grayson in the face. The refs have decided to eject Wade Baldwin. There were cheers but more boos while Allen shot his free throws that were a product of the Baldwin ejection. His lightning rod status is undeniable. Hopefully he finds his shot soon so can display his full offensive arsenal in the coming days. My only other criticism of Allen's game is that he leaves his feet too often to make passes, even passes on the perimeter. He's getting away with it now but it's not a good habit to have.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Grayson is struggling with his shot again but is still playing fairly well. He just got into another skirmish; this time involving Wade Baldwin IV... to be more accurate they got tied up for a second and Wade pushed Grayson in the face. The refs have decided to eject Wade Baldwin. There were cheers but more boos while Allen shot his free throws that were a product of the Baldwin ejection. His lightning rod status is undeniable. Hopefully he finds his shot soon so can display his full offensive arsenal in the coming days. My only other criticism of Allen's game is that he leaves his feet too often to make passes, even passes on the perimeter. He's getting away with it now but it's not a good habit to have.

What a coincidence!

[4Gen]

Does any sane person think NBA execs are concerned about Grayson's shooting?

[subzero02]

Does any sane person think NBA execs are concerned about Grayson's shooting?

Everyone knows that he's an elite shooter. What remains to be seen is if he can continue to shoot at a high level while serving as the primary ballhandler. Grayson expends a lot of energy on dribble penetration and ball distribution; this could be part of the reason why he isn't shooting as well from outside. His best shooting performances in college seemed to occur when he played off ball. In the Michigan State game last year, he attributed his outstanding shooting performance to Trevon allowing him to play off the ball. That said, his shot might just be a little off presently and he could shoot lights out for the remainder of summer league play. Only time will tell.

[UrinalCake]

I dunno, we spent all last season “knowing” that Grayson was an elite shooter but watching him struggle with his shot for what felt like the whole season. He did play under control and control the tempo while racking up some assists. But it would be silly not to be at least a little concerned about his shooting.

[sagegrouse]

Everyone knows that he's an elite shooter. What remains to be seen is if he can continue to shoot at a high level while serving as the primary ballhandler. Grayson expends a lot of energy on dribble penetration and ball distribution; this could be part of the reason why he isn't shooting as well from outside. His best shooting performances in college seemed to occur when he played off ball. In the Michigan State game last year, he attributed his outstanding shooting performance to Trevon allowing him to play off the ball. That said, his shot might just be a little off presently and he could shoot lights out for the remainder of summer league play. Only time will tell.


I dunno, we spent all last season “knowing” that Grayson was an elite shooter but watching him struggle with his shot for what felt like the whole season. He did play under control and control the tempo while racking up some assists. But it would be silly not to be at least a little concerned about his shooting.

Speaking for the birdbrain here, I am not in the least concerned about Grayson's shooting in the NBA Summer League. When I have seen him play, he has looked like an NBA player -- very aggressive -- and has done an excellent job of seeing the court and distributing the ball

[subzero02]

Bagley and Giles vs. Ayton in the next game. it should be spitze...

[dukelifer]

Bagley and Giles vs. Ayton in the next game. it should be spitze...

Bagley working on his shooting and so far not so great. Needs to really improve that midrange game for the next level.

[subzero02]

Bagley working on his shooting and so far not so great. Needs to really improve that midrange game for the next level.

I agree.

I believe they sat Fox after the first summer league game in sacramento. I really think both Bagley and Giles are going to look a lot better playing alongside him; primarily because of the pace that he generates on the offensive end. Both teams are very jittery on that side of the ball right now.

[Furniture]

Bagley and Giles vs. Ayton in the next game. it should be spitze...

Harry is looking good!

[dukelifer]

Harry is looking good!

Impressed with his shooting. He has an array of shots. His ball handling is not great but he has been playing good D in spots.

[subzero02]

Harry is looking good!

Harry with 17 pts, 6 rebounds, 5 steals and 1 block. He plays with a chip on his shoulder. His energy on defense will keep him on the court even when his offensive game is stagnant.

Bagley with 16 pts, 7 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block.

Mr. Carter makes his summer league in few minutes.

[subzero02]

Carter is humiliating people with his blocks... one swat and and one shot he basically just pinned against the backboard and grabbed with two hands.

[dukelifer]

Carter is humiliating people with his blocks... one swat and and one shot he basically just pinned against the backboard and grabbed with two hands.

Carter having a solid game mostly cleaning up misses. Too bad his coach isn’t allowing him to showcase all his talents.

[subzero02]

16 pts. 8 rebounds 5 blocks on 50% shooting from the field ( 2 of 3 from the arc). Not a bad professional debut from Mr. Carter.


Our guys have played well thus far. It's unfortunate that Luke and Frank are out with injuries. I'm so happy that Giles is showing signs of greatness again. He seems like a really good kid and he deserves a shot to show everyone what he's still capable of doing on the court.

[awhom111]

Grayson had 16 points and 6 rebounds in 28 minutes while Gary had 16 points in 19 minutes as the Blazers beat the Jazz 93-78. Tony Bradley did not want to be forgotten so he picked up 8 fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180707/PORUTA#/boxscore

No Duke ties and not much fouling as the Pacers beat the Spurs 86-76.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180707/SASIND#/boxscore

The Pelicans were still solid without Frank as they beat the Heat 110-84.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180707/MIANOP#/boxscore

Michael Gbinije did not play as the Knicks beat the Hawks 91-89. Trae Young continued to accomplish summer league milestones as he had 7 fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180707/NYKATL#/boxscore

The Thunder beat the Nets 90-76 in another game with not much for us in storylines.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180707/OKCBKN#/boxscore

Harry had 17 points and 6 rebounds in 32 minutes and Marvin had 15 points and 7 rebounds in 32 minutes as the Kings lost to the Suns 71-63 in their first Las Vegas game.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180707/PHXSAC#/boxscore

The Pistons struggled again offensively without Luke and lost to the Grizzlies 73-70.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180707/DETMEM#/boxscore

Wendell had 16 points and 9 rebounds in 29 minutes as the Bulls beat the Cavaliers 86-81.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180707/CHICLE#/boxscore

Semi Ojeleye had 3 points in 21 minutes as the Celtics lost to the Nuggets 82-69.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180707/BOSDEN#/boxscore

Moe Wagner gave us 7 fouls to end the day as the Lakers beat the Sixers 96-79.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180707/PHILAL#/boxscore

Here is Sunday's schedule (all times ET, games on NBATV also on ESPN3):
Timberwolves (Amile) vs Raptors, 3:00pm NBATV
Wizards vs Spurs, 3:30pm ESPN2
Hornets vs Heat, 5:00pm NBATV
Trailblazers (Gary) vs Hawks, 5:30pm ESPN2
Mavericks vs Bucks, 7:00pm NBATV
Warriors vs Rockets (Trevon), 7:30pm ESPN2
Jazz (Grayson) vs Knicks, 9:00pm NBATV
Grizzlies vs Magic, 9:30pm ESPN2
Kings (Harry and Marvin) vs Clippers, 11:00pm NBATV
Lakers vs Bulls (Wendell), 11:30pm ESPN2

[brevity]

Kings (Harry and Marvin) vs Clippers, 11:00pm NBATV

Well...

https://www.nba.com/kings/news/marvin-bagley-iii-injury-update


Marvin Bagley III experienced a tweak in his right hip flexor/groin area during tonight's game vs. Phoenix in Las Vegas. He will undergo an MRI on Monday and more information will be shared at that time.

[DarkstarWahoo]

Carter is humiliating people with his blocks... one swat and and one shot he basically just pinned against the backboard and grabbed with two hands.

I know it’s summer league, but he looked REALLY good. He had a nice year at Duke, but I didn’t see that much like what I saw from him last night. Wouldn’t be the first guy to find another level when he got to the league.

[flyingdutchdevil]

I know it’s summer league, but he looked REALLY good. He had a nice year at Duke, but I didn’t see that much like what I saw from him last night. Wouldn’t be the first guy to find another level when he got to the league.

Don’t tell Mrs Carter that. Or she’ll use this as evidence ;)

[UrinalCake]

In non-Duke news, Ayton looked really good. It’s easy to see why he was the #1 pick, he should score 10 points a game just by cleaning up on the offensive glass and catching alley-oops off when his defender leaves to help. Knox also had a fine game, Knicks fans should feel dumb for booing him on draft day. I wasn’t a huge fan of his during his recruitment, but now I’m wondering what K could have done with him.

[AtlDuke72]

. . . Trae Young continued to accomplish summer league milestones as he had 7 fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180707


Why the hatred towards Trae Young? His line has 21 points, 11 assists and a plus 9 for his time on the court in a game his team lost. You chose to belittle him by pointing out his fouls. Why?

[fraggler]

Why the hatred towards Trae Young? His line has 21 points, 11 assists and a plus 9 for his time on the court in a game his team lost. You chose to belittle him by pointing out his fouls. Why?

Hatred? That's a little strong. He has fun tracking fouls during summer league since they allow 10 before disqualification. Read back a bit. He does it for all games and all players.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Well...

https://www.nba.com/kings/news/marvin-bagley-iii-injury-update

That's a big fat bummer.

[kAzE]

I know it’s summer league, but he looked REALLY good. He had a nice year at Duke, but I didn’t see that much like what I saw from him last night. Wouldn’t be the first guy to find another level when he got to the league.

I've been saying for awhile I think Carter has the most NBA ready game of anybody on the team last year, including Bagley. Carter is ready contribute on both ends with a winning NBA team right now.

[JasonEvans]

Carter is ready contribute on both ends with a winning NBA team right now.

Pity he won’t be on one.

Boom! That just happened!

[DukieInBrasil]

Why the hatred towards Trae Young? His line has 21 points, 11 assists and a plus 9 for his time on the court in a game his team lost. You chose to belittle him by pointing out his fouls. Why?

A) this is a Duke fan site and TY did not play at Duke
B) awhom very seldom lists stats for non-Duke players
C) awhom likes pointing out the excessive fouling allowed during summer league
D) chill out

[AtlDuke72]

A) this is a Duke fan site and TY did not play at Duke
B) awhom very seldom lists stats for non-Duke players
C) awhom likes pointing out the excessive fouling allowed during summer league
D) chill out

Are you his spokesman? His comment stated that Young “continued to accomplish summer league milestones. “ This seems like a derogatory post directed at Young, not a comment on excessive fouling. Not sure how this being a Duke fan site has anything to do with it.

[subzero02]

Are you his spokesman? His comment stated that Young “continued to accomplish summer league milestones. “ This seems like a derogatory post directed at Young, not a comment on excessive fouling. Not sure how this being a Duke fan site has anything to do with it.

Awhom111 mocks all players who record 7 or more fouls in summer league play. He's done it for at least several years now and I believe he even gives out "awards" at the end of the summer.

[NSDukeFan]

Awhom111 also tends to keep us all up to date about former players in summer league, G-league and overseas leagues, so probably deserves posters defending him/her.

[sagegrouse]

Awhom111 also tends to keep us all up to date about former players in summer league, G-league and overseas leagues, so probably deserves posters defending him/her.

Although I have received a first-hand report that Awhom111 is a real person, I prefer to believe he is a bot.

[AtlDuke72]

Although I have received a first-hand report that Awhom111 is a real person, I prefer to believe he is a bot.

Okay, I apologize to Awhom111 whomever or whatever you may be.

[JNort]

Are you his spokesman? His comment stated that Young “continued to accomplish summer league milestones. “ This seems like a derogatory post directed at Young, not a comment on excessive fouling. Not sure how this being a Duke fan site has anything to do with it.

The milestones comment also fits in with how awful he has been thus far. It's not like it's only being said here, the major sports networks and radio station have all been talking about how poor he's been at shooting, finishing, defense, etc... I mean when your touted as a supreme shooter with Steph comparisons and only shoot ~23% from the field and 12% from 3 your gonna get picked on a bit by basketball fans.


I thought it was a mistake for Atlanta to draft him but him playing poorly in summer league doesn't mean he is a bust, we just get our laughs as they come (in regards to bad comps)

[DukieInBrasil]

Duval busting out with an absolutely atrocious game so far. 0-8 FG, 0-3 3FG, 2:5 a:to. I don't think that type of game is indicative of his caliber, but his 1st game also didn't seem like a median game. That sort of variability might make teams think twice about his value. Of course, over 2 games it's kinda impossible to say which is more likely to be the norm, or if it's somewhere in the middle (most likely).

[dukelifer]

Duval busting out with an absolutely atrocious game so far. 0-8 FG, 0-3 3FG, 2:5 a:to. I don't think that type of game is indicative of his caliber, but his 1st game also didn't seem like a median game. That sort of variability might make teams think twice about his value. Of course, over 2 games it's kinda impossible to say which is more likely to be the norm, or if it's somewhere in the middle (most likely).

Duval needs to be consistent. He had these sort of up and down performances at Duke. He shows his flashes. He is a G leaguer until he works out the kinks in his overall game.

[DukieInBrasil]

Duval needs to be consistent. He had these sort of up and down performances at Duke. He shows his flashes. He is a G leaguer until he works out the kinks in his overall game.

that was what worried me, and what made me think he wasn't ready for NBA ball yet, although he is certainly capable of handling the G-league competently.
i don't think too many teams would be too too concerned with an occasional 0-fer, but 2:5 a:t ain't gonna get many looks. 0-8 0-3 1-2 certainly seems to confirm the "he can't shoot narrative".

[jacone21]

ESPN Summer League coverage needs more interviews. I think they can eventually work their way down to interviewing the yellow shirt security guys if they keep at it.

[Furniture]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBA/status/1016161849597923334/video/1

[brevity]

Harrys a dunkin.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NBA/status/1016161849597923334/video/1

I'll see your Harry Giles dunk and raise you Jabari Bird.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MryeyIg-WcU

After that dunk, I started to shop around for a Jabari Bird Celtics jersey, but the only ones I could find had the wrong number.

8486

#33? Dude, he wears #26.

[pfrduke]

Watching Wendell play against Mykhailuk and Newman ... sigh, too soon.

[subzero02]

Watching Wendell play against Mykhailuk and Newman ... sigh, too soon.

Oh what might have been if Carter had been able to stay on the floor in overtime.


Coach K said that Carter has one of the highest basketball IQ's of any player that he has coached. This really is evident in summer league, more so than it was during last season. He improved quite a bit in terms of his defensive positioning while at Duke. I remember him being caught in no man's land on more than occasion before we switched to a zone. It's apparent that he has a steep learning curve because these defensive extincts didn't advance over night; his in season improvement was likely masked due to our need to play zone. He is showing a real knack for proper timing and spacing. There's not much to criticize in terms of on court performance but I'd like to see him rebound a bit more aggressively and setup a stronger position to receive post entry passes. That said, he is probably the top rookie in summer league play thus far.

[awhom111]

Amile had 15 points and 13 rebounds in 31 minutes as the Timberwolves beat the Raptors 103-92.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180708/MINTOR#/boxscore

The Spurs beat the Wizards 95-90.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180708/WASSAS#/boxscore

The Hornets beat the Heat 94-90.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180708/CHAMIA#/boxscore

Gary had 8 points in 21 minutes as the Blazers beat the Hawks 85-68.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180708/PORATL#/boxscore

The Mavericks beat the Bucks 81-78.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180708/DALMIL#/boxscore

Trevon had 1 points in 17 minutes as the Rockets beat the Warriors 87-81.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180708/GSWHOU#/boxscore

Grayson was rested as the Jazz beat the Knicks 90-85. Michael Gbinije has not seen game action yet, but Mitchell Robinson made up for missing a season by committing 7 fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180708/UTANYK#/boxscore

There have been some exceedingly low point outputs this year, including the Bucks losing to the Magic 86-56.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180708/MEMORL#/boxscore

The Kings are enforcing a two Duke player rule. With Marvin out, they brought in Matt Jones and he had 3 points in 12 minutes while Harry had 8 points in 14 minutes before getting some rest as they lost to the Clippers 88-78.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180708/SACLAC#/boxscore

Wendell had 9 points and 7 rebounds in 25 minutes as the Bulls lost to the Lakers 69-60.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180708/LALCHI #/boxscore

Here is Monday's schedule (all times ET, games on NBATV also on ESPN3):
Pelicans (no Frank) vs Pistons, 3:00pm ESPNU
Raptors vs Thunder, 3:30pm NBATV
Pacers vs Cavaliers, 5:00pm ESPN2
Wizards vs Sixers, 5:30pm NBATV
Hornets vs Celtics, 7:00pm ESPN2
Warriors vs Mavericks, 7:30pm NBATV
Bucks vs Nuggets, 9:00pm ESPNU
Magic vs Suns, 9:30pm NBATV
Nets vs Timberwolves (Amile), 11:00pm ESPNU
Clippers vs Rockets (Trevon), 11:30pm NBATV


Okay, I apologize to Awhom111 whomever or whatever you may be.

I appreciate your feedback. I like that this board tries to be less negative and a little more sophisticated than other boards. I have nothing against Trae Young and I enjoy watching him play, but the narrative was there to be crafted so I took the opportunity in that case. I will endeavor to keep things light-hearted in the future and not try to cross the line into outright mean-spiritedness.

[Smitty1911]

I appreciate your feedback. I like that this board tries to be less negative and a little more sophisticated than other boards. I have nothing against Trae Young and I enjoy watching him play, but the narrative was there to be crafted so I took the opportunity in that case. I will endeavor to keep things light-hearted in the future and not try to cross the line into outright mean-spiritedness.

And now actual evidence that awhom is, in fact, a bot. No real person would be this gracious.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Oh what might have been if Carter had been able to stay on the floor in overtime.


Coach K said that Carter has one of the highest basketball IQ's of any player that he has coached. This really is evident in summer league, more so than it was during last season. He improved quite a bit in terms of his defensive positioning while at Duke. I remember him being caught in no man's land on more than occasion before we switched to a zone. It's apparent that he has a steep learning curve because these defensive extincts didn't advance over night; his in season improvement was likely masked due to our need to play zone. He is showing a real knack for proper timing and spacing. There's not much to criticize in terms of on court performance but I'd like to see him rebound a bit more aggressively and setup a stronger position to receive post entry passes. That said, he is probably the top rookie in summer league play thus far.
There was another MVP “stolen” at the 7th spot a few years back...

[brevity]

Update on Marvin:

Marc J. Spears (https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN) @MarcJSpearsESPN

The Kings say an MRI conducted this morning on forward Marvin Bagley III revealed a pelvic bone bruise. The No. 2 pick of the 2018 NBA Draft will miss the rest of summer league while resting for approximately 1-2 weeks.

5:57 PM - 9 Jul 2018 (https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/1016486425368260608)

CBS Sports says the same thing, but then unnecessarily expands for two more paragraphs here (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kings-rookie-marvin-bagley-iii-to-miss-rest-of-summer-league-with-pelvic-bone-bruise/).


While Summer League is a great chance for teams to get a look at their rookies and potential training camp invites, the actual results of the games have little meaning, and teams aren't going to risk making an injury worse. This would be the correct decision regardless of the player, but it's especially smart for the Kings to be cautious with the No. 2 overall pick.

If there is a bright side to this, it's that Sacramento already played a few Summer League games before the injury happened and got a chance to see Bagley in action. The Kings will have the entire summer to break down his game and figure out how to best implement it into next season. For now, their top priority should be keeping their prized rookie healthy.

Journalism.

[Furniture]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DukeNBA/status/1015693819206086657/video/1

Just in case anyone didn’t see this little gem. Our Gary over Bradley.

[awhom111]

A game that was supposed to have two Duke players when the schedule came out ended up with none as the Pistons beat the Pelicans 105-97.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180709/NOPDET#/boxscore

The Raptors lost to the Thunder 92-82, but won at fouling as Shevon Thompson had 8.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180709/TOROKC#/boxscore

The Cavaliers beat the Pacers 93-88.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180709/INDCLE#/boxscore

The Wizards beat the Sixers, who were more interested in the race to 7 fouls between Chris McCullough and Norvel Pelle, 87-75.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180709/WASPHI#/boxscore

Semi Ojeleye had 13 points and 7 rebounds in 32 minutes as the Celtics beat the Hornets 100-80.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180709/WASPHI#/boxscore

The Mavericks beat the Warriors 91-71.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180709/GSWDAL#/boxscore

The Nuggets beat the Bucks 90-83.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180709/MILDEN#/boxscore

Josh Jackson hit the 7 foul mark as the Suns beat the Magic 71-53.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180709/ORLPHX#/boxscore

Amile had 5 points and 12 rebounds in 26 minutes as the Timberwolves beat the Nets 78-69.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180709/BKNMIN#/boxscore

Trevon had 12 points in 14 minutes as the Rockets beat the Clippers 104-90. Everyone got into the foul act as Zhou Qi led the way with 9 while on the other side Sindarious Thornwell and Vincent Hunter reached 7.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180709/LACHOU#/boxscore

Here is Tuesday's schedule (all times ET, games on NBATV also on ESPN3):
Spurs vs Trailblazers (Gary), 4pm NBATV
Jazz (Grayson?) vs Heat, 4:30pm ESPNU
Hawks vs Bulls (Wendell), 6pm NBATV
Kings (Matt, Harry, but not Marvin) vs Grizzlies, 6:30pm ESPN2
Lakers vs Knicks, 8:30pm ESPN2

[dukelifer]

ACC and Duke guys dominated the high scorers today

[awhom111]

Gary had 20 points in 25 minutes as the Blazers beat the Spurs 95-89. Amida Brimah had 7 fouls and it held up as the last one of the summer as the start of the playoffs mean that actual rules of basketball will be enforced.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/SASPOR#/boxscore

Grayson had 17 points and 7 rebounds in 24 minutes as the Jazz lost to the Heat 98-90.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/UTAMIA#/boxscore

Wendell had 23 points and 6 rebounds in 27 minutes, but the Bulls lost to the Hawks 101-93.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/ATLCHI#/boxscore

Matt had 15 points in 19 minutes and Harry had 11 points and 12 rebounds in 24 minutes as the Kings beat the Grizzlies 94-80.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/SACMEM#/boxscore

Michael Gbinije finally entered a game, going scoreless in 13 minutes as the Knicks lost to the Lakers 109-92.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/LALNYK#/boxscore

Getting a schedule for the first day of the tournament portion of Summer League is always slow. I am going off of current WatchESPN listings, which I assume are accurate, but I do not know what the seedings are.

Here is Wednesday's schedule (all times ET, games on NBATV also on ESPN3):
Clippers vs Wizards, 4pm ESPNU
Kings (Matt and Harry) vs Cavaliers, 4:30pm NBATV
Nets vs Rockets (Trevon), 6pm ESPN2
Bulls (Wendell) vs Mavericks, 6:30pm NBATV
Pistons vs Timberwolves (Amile), 8:00pm ESPN2
Hawks vs Pacers, 8:30pm NBATV
Raptors vs Nuggets, 10:00pm ESPN2
Warriors vs Hornets, 10:30pm NBATV

[dukelifer]

Gary had 20 points in 25 minutes as the Blazers beat the Spurs 95-89. Amida Brimah had 7 fouls and it held up as the last one of the summer as the start of the playoffs mean that actual rules of basketball will be enforced.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/SASPOR#/boxscore

Grayson had 17 points and 7 rebounds in 24 minutes as the Jazz lost to the Heat 98-90.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/UTAMIA#/boxscore

Wendell had 23 points and 6 rebounds in 27 minutes, but the Bulls lost to the Hawks 101-93.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/ATLCHI#/boxscore

Matt had 15 points in 19 minutes and Harry had 11 points and 12 rebounds in 24 minutes as the Kings beat the Grizzlies 94-80.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/SACMEM#/boxscore

Michael Gbinije finally entered a game, going scoreless in 13 minutes as the Knicks lost to the Lakers 109-92.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/LALNYK#/boxscore

Getting a schedule for the first day of the tournament portion of Summer League is always slow. I am going off of current WatchESPN listings, which I assume are accurate, but I do not know what the seedings are.

Here is Wednesday's schedule (all times ET, games on NBATV also on ESPN3):
Clippers vs Wizards, 4pm ESPNU
Kings (Matt and Harry) vs Cavaliers, 4:30pm NBATV
Nets vs Rockets (Trevon), 6pm ESPN2
Bulls (Wendell) vs Mavericks, 6:30pm NBATV
Pistons vs Timberwolves (Amile), 8:00pm ESPN2
Hawks vs Pacers, 8:30pm NBATV
Raptors vs Nuggets, 10:00pm ESPN2
Warriors vs Hornets, 10:30pm NBATV

Trent is having an excellent summer league. He needs to quicken his release a bit but he has shown he can shoot it from multiple spots on the floor. He has a chance to make the big squad.

[luburch]

Watched two quarters of the Jazz game yesterday. Grayson was apparently playing through a minor injury.

His game looked solid. Engaged on defense and rebounded well. Made some great passes. Moved off the ball well. Still struggling when shooting off the dribble and against traffic in the lane like he did at Duke. I'm sure it'll improve since he's only a rookie and this is summer league, but that's his biggest knock right now.

[ChillinDuke]

Gary had 20 points in 25 minutes as the Blazers beat the Spurs 95-89. Amida Brimah had 7 fouls and it held up as the last one of the summer as the start of the playoffs mean that actual rules of basketball will be enforced.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/SASPOR#/boxscore

Grayson had 17 points and 7 rebounds in 24 minutes as the Jazz lost to the Heat 98-90.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/UTAMIA#/boxscore

Wendell had 23 points and 6 rebounds in 27 minutes, but the Bulls lost to the Hawks 101-93.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/ATLCHI#/boxscore

Matt had 15 points in 19 minutes and Harry had 11 points and 12 rebounds in 24 minutes as the Kings beat the Grizzlies 94-80.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/SACMEM#/boxscore

Michael Gbinije finally entered a game, going scoreless in 13 minutes as the Knicks lost to the Lakers 109-92.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180710/LALNYK#/boxscore

Getting a schedule for the first day of the tournament portion of Summer League is always slow. I am going off of current WatchESPN listings, which I assume are accurate, but I do not know what the seedings are.

Here is Wednesday's schedule (all times ET, games on NBATV also on ESPN3):
Clippers vs Wizards, 4pm ESPNU
Kings (Matt and Harry) vs Cavaliers, 4:30pm NBATV
Nets vs Rockets (Trevon), 6pm ESPN2
Bulls (Wendell) vs Mavericks, 6:30pm NBATV
Pistons vs Timberwolves (Amile), 8:00pm ESPN2
Hawks vs Pacers, 8:30pm NBATV
Raptors vs Nuggets, 10:00pm ESPN2
Warriors vs Hornets, 10:30pm NBATV

I got a great chuckle at your jab above in bold.

- Chillin

[CDu]

It's hard to overstate how well Carter has been playing so far in summer league. Averaging 16, 7.3, and 3.7 blocks per game, shooting 57% from the field, 50% from 3, and 79% from the FT line. His stat line is somewhat masked by the fact that he's playing alongside an unabashed gunner in Antonio Blakeney (who is averaging nearly a FGA per minute) and some really bad guards, which keeps him from getting more and better looks. But he's looked great in every facet of the game. Even in perimeter defense, which was a nightmare for him last year.

The SummerBulls took a tough L to the Hawks, as Trae Young was spectacular from 3. Young hit 7 of 13 from 3, and most were REALLY long because the Bulls were overplaying him anywhere near the line.

[Billy Dat]

I like these quotes from Trevon, he seems pretty media savvy in that he pivoted from a "Duke didn't feature me" angle to one that was more positive about the opportunity Duke afforded him.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/07/11/duval-rockets-summer-league/765767002/

Even in summer league, with its 10-minute quarters, the Rockets play at a fast pace, scoring 92 points in the opening game. Duval took advantage of the up-tempo game, something relatively uncommon at Duke.

"Breaking free of the cohesive Duke offense, Duval showed NBA-level ability.

Without last season' teammates -- no Marvin Bagley lll or Wendell Carter to force a deliberate pace, no other ball-handlers such as Gary Trent Jr. and Grayson Allen -- Duval unleashed his real identity.

“I think it helped me a little bit,” Duval said. “I always like playing fast in transition. So, this pace is for me.”

With Duval playing in an offense he prefers, he was also able to showcase his improvement -- capitalizing on success he found in his lone season with the Blue Devils. He took pride in getting everyone involved, collecting 5.6 assists per game in college, and lists that as his top skill.

“I would say my playmaking ability since I played on a team with four other NBA players,” Duval said. “So, I think I’ve learned to create for really good players and also play with other really good players.”

[flyingdutchdevil]

It's hard to overstate how well Carter has been playing so far in summer league. Averaging 16, 7.3, and 3.7 blocks per game, shooting 57% from the field, 50% from 3, and 79% from the FT line. His stat line is somewhat masked by the fact that he's playing alongside an unabashed gunner in Antonio Blakeney (who is averaging nearly a FGA per minute) and some really bad guards, which keeps him from getting more and better looks. But he's looked great in every facet of the game. Even in perimeter defense, which was a nightmare for him last year.

The SummerBulls took a tough L to the Hawks, as Trae Young was spectacular from 3. Young hit 7 of 13 from 3, and most were REALLY long because the Bulls were overplaying him anywhere near the line.

A bunch of us are higher on Carter than Bagley (and that isn't to say we aren't high on Bagley).

Carter is so smart, so calculated, so strong. I absolutely love his game.

With all of our guys playing so well in Summer League, I'm still surprised we didn't slaughter ever team in our path.

[Acymetric]

I like these quotes from Trevon, he seems pretty media savvy in that he pivoted from a "Duke didn't feature me" angle to one that was more positive about the opportunity Duke afforded him.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/07/11/duval-rockets-summer-league/765767002/

Even in summer league, with its 10-minute quarters, the Rockets play at a fast pace, scoring 92 points in the opening game. Duval took advantage of the up-tempo game, something relatively uncommon at Duke.

"Breaking free of the cohesive Duke offense, Duval showed NBA-level ability.

Without last season' teammates -- no Marvin Bagley lll or Wendell Carter to force a deliberate pace, no other ball-handlers such as Gary Trent Jr. and Grayson Allen -- Duval unleashed his real identity.

“I think it helped me a little bit,” Duval said. “I always like playing fast in transition. So, this pace is for me.”

With Duval playing in an offense he prefers, he was also able to showcase his improvement -- capitalizing on success he found in his lone season with the Blue Devils. He took pride in getting everyone involved, collecting 5.6 assists per game in college, and lists that as his top skill.

“I would say my playmaking ability since I played on a team with four other NBA players,” Duval said. “So, I think I’ve learned to create for really good players and also play with other really good players.”

Good interview...but does anyone question the validity of the pace issue? We definitely looked to push the ball in transition (some of Duval's greatest mistakes were in that part of the game, actually) and didn't exactly play a slow pace. Bagley and Carter could both run the floor. Allen looked to push the ball up the court on the break regularly as well. We were easily inside the top 30% of teams in possessions per game, and there were (by my count, may have missed one or two) only 3 major conference teams averaging at least 2 possessions per game more than us. There are ~15 major conference teams that averaged more possessions per game in total, but several of those are so close that the difference makes no difference.

[arnie]

I like these quotes from Trevon, he seems pretty media savvy in that he pivoted from a "Duke didn't feature me" angle to one that was more positive about the opportunity Duke afforded him.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/07/11/duval-rockets-summer-league/765767002/

Even in summer league, with its 10-minute quarters, the Rockets play at a fast pace, scoring 92 points in the opening game. Duval took advantage of the up-tempo game, something relatively uncommon at Duke.

"Breaking free of the cohesive Duke offense, Duval showed NBA-level ability.

Without last season' teammates -- no Marvin Bagley lll or Wendell Carter to force a deliberate pace, no other ball-handlers such as Gary Trent Jr. and Grayson Allen -- Duval unleashed his real identity.

“I think it helped me a little bit,” Duval said. “I always like playing fast in transition. So, this pace is for me.”

With Duval playing in an offense he prefers, he was also able to showcase his improvement -- capitalizing on success he found in his lone season with the Blue Devils. He took pride in getting everyone involved, collecting 5.6 assists per game in college, and lists that as his top skill.

“I would say my playmaking ability since I played on a team with four other NBA players,” Duval said. “So, I think I’ve learned to create for really good players and also play with other really good players.”

I may have missed it, but don’t recall a single OAD at Duke or anywhere saying his school’s Defensive strategy didn’t adequately prepare him for the NBA or show off his defensive abilities.

[ChillinDuke]

Good interview...but does anyone question the validity of the pace issue? We definitely looked to push the ball in transition (some of Duval's greatest mistakes were in that part of the game, actually) and didn't exactly play a slow pace. Bagley and Carter could both run the floor. Allen looked to push the ball up the court on the break regularly as well. We were easily inside the top 30% of teams in possessions per game, and there were (by my count, may have missed one or two) only 3 major conference teams averaging at least 2 possessions per game more than us. There are ~15 major conference teams that averaged more possessions per game in total, but several of those are so close that the difference makes no difference.

Have you ever heard the scientific concept of "sleep on it"? Not the term, I'm sure you've heard the term. But there's a concept out there (I've never researched it, but have been told about it by of my old high school teachers) that while you are unconscious, the brain is still active and thinking about the issues that were facing you during your conscious day. As such, when you wake up, sometimes you have newfound thoughts or solutions to concepts that were previously giving you difficulty. I have certainly experienced this in my life, whether or not the science is true or if the concept is simply a myth).

I think this concept holds true for a college basketball season as well. Sometimes the offseason "reset" gives the body and mind a chance to recalibrate all of the learnings from a full season that were hard to integrate into your game with only short-term breaks filled with practice and game prep. At least, that's my theory. Maybe it's totally wrong, or (probably) only partially right.

I think you see that with a lot of these guys after they leave the program. That, plus the spacing is better in the NBA which never hurts.

So, no, I don't think the pace thing is really all that valid quantatively. But qualitatively, maybe Trevon needed to take a little break to further adjust his game to the quicker pace than he had seen in high school.

And regardless, the pace thing is an easy narrative to cling to when asked stupid media questions.

- Chillin

[UrinalCake]

I think we played a fast pace early on but the switch to the zone meant slowing it down. My eye test tells me we didn’t run much, which really hurt Duval.

[phaedrus]

I think we played a fast pace early on but the switch to the zone meant slowing it down. My eye test tells me we didn’t run much, which really hurt Duval.

We also (relatedly) forced few turnovers, which reduced opportunities for transition offense. I don't think we played a deliberately slow offense, nor did the presence of Bagley or Carter slow us down - just the opposite.

[jv001]

We also (relatedly) forced few turnovers, which reduced opportunities for transition offense. I don't think we played a deliberately slow offense, nor did the presence of Bagley or Carter slow us down - just the opposite.

You are partially correct, but Bagley and Carter not being able to play Duke's man2man was part of the reason Duke went to Zone and the zone helped slow the pace of play. GoDuke!

[phaedrus]

You are partially correct, but Bagley and Carter not being able to play Duke's man2man was part of the reason Duke went to Zone and the zone helped slow the pace of play. GoDuke!

Yes, that's true. I was referring to the notion implied in the article that Duval had to slow down his transition game so Bagley and Carter could plod their way down the court and take their positions in the low post. To the contrary, Carter and especially Bagley regularly made Duval (and everyone) look good in transition.

[Steven43]

With all of our guys playing so well in Summer League, I'm still surprised we didn't slaughter ever team in our path.
That’s not a dig at Duke’s coaching is it? Even if it isn’t I have heard so many instances on radio, internet and podcasts of Duke’s coaching getting slaughtered since the season ended that it’s really shocking. Various sports media members are outright ripping how Duke’s defense was coached and the type of defense that was used, how the players were coached overall, and the type of offense that was run.

I have NEVER seen Coach K and his staff talked so poorly about in four decades of following Duke basketball. It seems there has been a sea change in perception. These are not all Duke and Coach K haters, either. And even the long-time haters, while berating Duke overall, at least used to generally speak highly of Duke’s coaching. Not anymore. Something is going on, but I don’t know what.

[DukieInBrasil]

That’s not a dig at Duke’s coaching is it? Even if it isn’t I have heard so many instances on radio, internet and podcasts of Duke’s coaching getting slaughtered since the season ended that it’s really shocking. Various sports media members are outright ripping how Duke’s defense was coached and the type of defense that was used, how the players were coached overall, and the type of offense that was run.

I have NEVER seen Coach K and his staff talked so poorly about in four decades of following Duke basketball. It seems there has been a sea change in perception. These are not all Duke and Coach K haters, either. And even the long-time haters, while berating Duke overall, at least used to generally speak highly of Duke’s coaching. Not anymore. Something is going on, but I don’t know what.

the elevation of the "hot take" has supplanted actual critical thinking. Also everybody loves taking pot-shots at the supposed "king of the hill".

As far as the reality of the team goes i think there were a few flaws, and maybe there was some lack of gelling as a unit, but i have no basis on that. Duke had serious issues with spacing with Bagley and Carter being on the floor together that 2 of the 3 perimeter guys couldn't do what they do best, so our offense ended up being less than the sum of its parts. And it was still a really, really good offense. We started 4 Fr. and they didn't play defense very well, up until we used zone, and in addition to the defensive woes, by playing both Bagley and Carter together so much, the team couldn't really defend teams that went small all that well. Still, even in the zone the defense improved markedly from its first use until the end of the year.
The team needed more outside shooting and the fact that our starting PG was an atrocious 3pt shooter really hurt. Bagley and Carter shot about as many 3s as was appropriate, maybe Carter should have taken a few more, but his rebounding was so important that it makes sense to not have him outside all that much. The fact that we really only used 2 volume shooters from 3 meant that we were highly susceptible to either or both of them being cold.

In the end, all of this complaining goes away if Grayson's layup didn't roll off the rim, or perhaps if Carter doesn't foul out after a couple of pretty questionable calls.

[Wander]

The team needed more outside shooting and the fact that our starting PG was an atrocious 3pt shooter really hurt. Bagley and Carter shot about as many 3s as was appropriate, maybe Carter should have taken a few more, but his rebounding was so important that it makes sense to not have him outside all that much. The fact that we really only used 2 volume shooters from 3 meant that we were highly susceptible to either or both of them being cold.

In the end, all of this complaining goes away if Grayson's layup didn't roll off the rim, or perhaps if Carter doesn't foul out after a couple of pretty questionable calls.

Agree with all this. In hindsight, you might say we should have given more of Duval's minutes to O'Connell. But you have to put yourself in the moment – IMO it made sense at the time to take a little bit of a risk on Duval's talent. Also, as far as the "pace" argument, I'm not sure it would have really made sense to cancel our plans to center our offense and defense around Bagley and Carter (which generally performed great) and instead build it to maximize the use of a player who can't shoot.

All this is a long way of saying that I don't think any of the summer league results invalidate our coaching this year.

[drummerdevil]

I have to say, watching some of these Carter highlights is making me see where his mom was coming from when she said she was disappointed (disgusted?) with how Bagley got most of Carter's shots. I just watched a clip where he got the ball at the free throw line, pump faked, drove and dropped in a floater. Who knew he could do that? Have I forgotten him doing that all year?

[UrinalCake]

I have to say, watching some of these Carter highlights is making me see where his mom was coming from when she said she was disappointed (disgusted?) with how Bagley got most of Carter's shots. I just watched a clip where he got the ball at the free throw line, pump faked, drove and dropped in a floater. Who knew he could do that? Have I forgotten him doing that all year?

You've forgotten. He had plenty of those types of plays for us. At 1:25 is almost exactly the same type of play you're describing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASpTAlRLbAo&t=10s

With that said, there's no question he has a right to feel like Bagley's reclassification took focus away from him. He would have been a much more featured player and gotten many more shots. But also consider that if you remove Bagley from the team then you likely have Javin starting at the 4, which means Carter is double teamed every time he touches the ball. Or you'd have Bolden at the 5 and Carter at the 4, which means the lane is clogged and Carter has a smaller player guarding him who can contest him at the three point line.

A couple weeks ago some writer had a good breakdown of Carter's numbers during those games when Bagley sat out. Bottom line is that Carter had more total shots but made a lower percentage, for about the same amount of production.

[DukieInBrasil]

I have to say, watching some of these Carter highlights is making me see where his mom was coming from when she said she was disappointed (disgusted?) with how Bagley got most of Carter's shots. I just watched a clip where he got the ball at the free throw line, pump faked, drove and dropped in a floater. Who knew he could do that? Have I forgotten him doing that all year?

at the college level, Bagley was really, really good at that too.
I remember Carter getting the ball out at the elbow area a few times, he shot a few jumpers, and he drove the ball a few times. He never looked better at doing it than Bagley. Sample size and all that.

[UrinalCake]

Another video that shows one of Wendell's better games. Much of this was him matched up against Moore, a very large player who (somewhat foolishly) declared for the draft.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppz0nZQpSbc

Wendell did a little of everything, and I think having Bagley next to him is what allowed him to show such a full range of skills. The biggest knock on him prior to the draft was his ability to defend on the perimeter, that's why he was picked 7th instead of 3rd or 4th. Also note that he was limited by foul trouble in a lot of games, and he played through an Achilles injury late in the season. Anyone criticizing how Duke utilized him or suggesting that Duke held him back is just plain wrong IMO.

[awhom111]

The tournament started with the 17 seed Clippers beating the 16 seed Wizards 89-74.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180711/LACWAS#/boxscore

Matt had 7 points and 6 rebounds in 24 minutes and Harry had 7 points and 6 assists in 21 minutes, but the 21 seed Kings lost to the 12 seed Cavaliers 96-84 and will now move to the consolation bracket.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180711/SACCLE#/boxscore

Trevon had 9 points in 13 minutes for the 5 seed Rockets as they beat the Nets 109-102.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180711/BKNHOU#/boxscore

Wendell had 19 points and 9 rebounds in 30 minutes as the 24 seed Bulls beat the 9 seed Mavericks.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180711/CHIDAL#/boxscore

Amile had 6 points and 15 rebounds in 29 minutes, but the 8 seed Timberwolves lost to the 25 seed Pistons 64-59.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180711/DETMIN#/boxscore

The 18 seed Hawks beat the 15 seed Pacers 107-101.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180711/ATLIND#/boxscore

The 29 seed Raptors beat the 4 seed Nuggets 85-77.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180711/TORDEN#/boxscore

The day ended with the 13 seed Hornets beating the 20 seed Warriors 87-69.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180711/GSWCHA#/boxscore

Here is Thursday's schedule (all times ET, games on NBATV also on ESPN3):
(26) Heat vs (9) Pelicans, 4pm NBATV
(23) Knicks vs (10) Celtics, 4:30pm ESPN2
(27) Grizzlies vs (6) Thunder, 6pm NBATV
(30) Sixers vs (3) Sun, 6:30pm ESPN2
(19) Spurs vs (14) Bucks, 8:00pm NBATV
(17) Clippers vs (1) Lakers, 8:30pm ESPN2
(22) Jazz (Grayson?) vs (11) Magic, 10:00pm NBATV
(18) Hawks vs (2) Trailblazers (Gary), 10:30pm ESPN2

[ice-9]

It's hard to overstate how well Carter has been playing so far in summer league. Averaging 16, 7.3, and 3.7 blocks per game, shooting 57% from the field, 50% from 3, and 79% from the FT line. His stat line is somewhat masked by the fact that he's playing alongside an unabashed gunner in Antonio Blakeney (who is averaging nearly a FGA per minute) and some really bad guards, which keeps him from getting more and better looks. But he's looked great in every facet of the game. Even in perimeter defense, which was a nightmare for him last year.

The SummerBulls took a tough L to the Hawks, as Trae Young was spectacular from 3. Young hit 7 of 13 from 3, and most were REALLY long because the Bulls were overplaying him anywhere near the line.

Yeah, he looks real good. I'm thinking about taking him and/or Ayton next season for fantasy.

I always thought Carter's game was better suited for the NBA than Bagley's, though perhaps as a key role player vs. featured player. Like a Horford rather than a Porzingis. Horford is a monster on D though.

[Steven43]

Yeah, he looks real good. I'm thinking about taking him and/or Ayton next season for fantasy.

I always thought Carter's game was better suited for the NBA than Bagley's, though perhaps as a key role player vs. featured player. Like a Horford rather than a Porzingis. Horford is a monster on D though.

It seems as if there are an awful ot premature conclusions being drawn from a few loosely-structured summer games comprised of mostly second-tier players as well as many others who won’t ever make an NBA roster. I wish someone would do an analysis of how players in previous years have done in summer basketball as compared to how they did during the actual season. Might be revealing.

[ice-9]

Now now, can’t we be a little more sunshine from time to time?

All that said, rebounds and blocks in college do predict rebounds and blocks reasonably well in the NBA. I’d assume the same for summer league. We know Carter has a serviceable 3-pointer.

The big questions will be his defense and fouling.

[mkirsh]

That’s not a dig at Duke’s coaching is it? Even if it isn’t I have heard so many instances on radio, internet and podcasts of Duke’s coaching getting slaughtered since the season ended that it’s really shocking. Various sports media members are outright ripping how Duke’s defense was coached and the type of defense that was used, how the players were coached overall, and the type of offense that was run.

I have NEVER seen Coach K and his staff talked so poorly about in four decades of following Duke basketball. It seems there has been a sea change in perception. These are not all Duke and Coach K haters, either. And even the long-time haters, while berating Duke overall, at least used to generally speak highly of Duke’s coaching. Not anymore. Something is going on, but I don’t know what.

I think part of this is different priorities. Ie, if your only goal is develop Wendell Carter for the NBA, you would do a lot of things differently than if your only goal is develop Trevon Duvall, or if your goal is to actually win basketball games. So when people take a very narrow view it's easy to criticize, but when you have to evaluate the competing demands Coach K faced it's much harder to second guess the decisions he made.

[Indoor66]

I think part of this is different priorities. Ie, if your only goal is develop Wendell Carter for the NBA, you would do a lot of things differently than if your only goal is develop Trevon Duvall, or if your goal is to actually win basketball games. So when people take a very narrow view it's easy to criticize, but when you have to evaluate the competing demands Coach K faced it's much harder to second guess the decisions he made.

As I see it, it is quite simple. K is the coach of Duke first and individual players second. Players are recruited in the best interest of Duke and Duke's needs. That is what it is all about. It is not about showcasing individuals for the NBA draft. That aspect is a byproduct of fulfilling the primary purpose to win games for Duke.

Keep your eye on the ball

[JasonEvans]

It seems as if there are an awful ot premature conclusions being drawn from a few loosely-structured summer games comprised of mostly second-tier players as well as many others who won’t ever make an NBA roster. I wish someone would do an analysis of how players in previous years have done in summer basketball as compared to how they did during the actual season. Might be revealing.

The NBA names an all-summer league team which could be a good indication of who was playing well.

In 2017 the all-summer league 1st team was:
Lonzo Ball - went on to be on the NBA all-rookie 2nd team
Dennis Smith - went on to be on the NBA all-rookie 2nd team
John Collins - went on to be on the NBA all-rookie 2nd team
Josh Jackson - went on to be on the NBA all-rookie 2nd team
Caleb Swanigan - failed to develop into a rotation player for the Blazers in his first season

The 2017 all-summer legaue 2nd team was:
Bryn Forbes - Had a decent season off the bench for the Spurs. His summer play showed he was ready to be a NBA regular
Wayne Selden - Injuries have marred his career thus far but when healthy he was a 20 mpg player for the Griz
Jayson Tatum - So umm, yeah, he had a good rookie season. NBA all-rookie 1st team
Chieck Diallo - struggling to find a consistent role for the Pelicans
Kyle Kuzma - NBA all-rookie 1st team

Ben Simmons was injured and did not play summer league but you may be wondering, what about Donovan Mitchell? What did the other amazing rookie do in the summer? Well, he did not make the all-summer league teams because he did not play the full league season. After 5 games it was abundantly clear he was a ridiculous stud (he was averaging 24 points per game and utterly dominating including a 37 point, 8 steal game) so the Jazz shut him down because there was nothing left to see against this level of competition.

I have not looked at other summers, but the bottom line in 2017 was that summer league gave us a good read -- though not a perfect one -- on who some of the best players in the rookie class would be. While each team still has a few more games to play, I would say the early play of Knox, Ayton, Carter, and Sexton have probably stood out the most among rookies.

-Jason "it may be worth noting that Quinn Cook was also one of the better players in 2017 summer league" Evans

[Billy Dat]

I think part of this is different priorities. Ie, if your only goal is develop Wendell Carter for the NBA, you would do a lot of things differently than if your only goal is develop Trevon Duvall, or if your goal is to actually win basketball games. So when people take a very narrow view it's easy to criticize, but when you have to evaluate the competing demands Coach K faced it's much harder to second guess the decisions he made.

This is a good point and one I was going to make. Most of the criticism you see if the way X coach handled Y player has to do with the fact that the writer/talking head is NBA focused and is purely looking at how the player was developed for the NBA. It is pretty rare to find any NBA-focused writer who thinks any college coach does a good job showcasing their players for the NBA. I feel like the worm has turned on Cal, too. He gets pilloried for asking his players to drive all the time instead of letting fly from 3. Duke and Kentucky are always going to get the brunt of the criticism because we are the two biggest college hoops brands who bring in the most blue chip talent.

[JNort]

The NBA names an all-summer league team which could be a good indication of who was playing well.

In 2017 the all-summer league 1st team was:
Lonzo Ball - went on to be on the NBA all-rookie 2nd team
Dennis Smith - went on to be on the NBA all-rookie 2nd team
John Collins - went on to be on the NBA all-rookie 2nd team
Josh Jackson - went on to be on the NBA all-rookie 2nd team
Caleb Swanigan - failed to develop into a rotation player for the Blazers in his first season

The 2017 all-summer legaue 2nd team was:
Bryn Forbes - Had a decent season off the bench for the Spurs. His summer play showed he was ready to be a NBA regular
Wayne Selden - Injuries have marred his career thus far but when healthy he was a 20 mpg player for the Griz
Jayson Tatum - So umm, yeah, he had a good rookie season. NBA all-rookie 1st team
Chieck Diallo - struggling to find a consistent role for the Pelicans
Kyle Kuzma - NBA all-rookie 1st team

Ben Simmons was injured and did not play summer league but you may be wondering, what about Donovan Mitchell? What did the other amazing rookie do in the summer? Well, he did not make the all-summer league teams because he did not play the full league season. After 5 games it was abundantly clear he was a ridiculous stud (he was averaging 24 points per game and utterly dominating including a 37 point, 8 steal game) so the Jazz shut him down because there was nothing left to see against this level of competition.

I have not looked at other summers, but the bottom line in 2017 was that summer league gave us a good read -- though not a perfect one -- on who some of the best players in the rookie class would be. While each team still has a few more games to play, I would say the early play of Knox, Ayton, Carter, and Sexton have probably stood out the most among rookies.

-Jason "it may be worth noting that Quinn Cook was also one of the better players in 2017 summer league" Evans
Frank Jackson in very limited time last year and again this year completely stands out. Dude just needs to stay healthy. Also Grayson has been so great at dang near everything that if his 3 shot was falling he would probably be the talk of summer league.

[subzero02]

Karl Malone is hilarious. He has been by far the most entertaining in game interview that I've heard during summer league. He criticizes the heavy focus on 3 point shooting( he believes and I do to an extent that post play will have a resurgence), the freedom of movement rules, double technicals( get the guilty party, leave the other guy alone) and AAU basketball. He also essentially said "when is somebody going to lift weights"... the attractive in game female commentator says "yeah, some of these guys are smaller than me." If he wants to have one, he's got a long future in broadcasting IMO. You can see him during the 3rd quarter of tonight's Jazz game.

[elvis14]

Karl Malone is hilarious. He has been by far the most entertaining in game interview that I've heard during summer league. He criticizes the heavy focus on 3 point shooting( he believes and I do to an extent that post play will have a resurgence), the freedom of movement rules, double technicals( get the guilty party, leave the other guy alone) and AAU basketball. He also essentially said "when is somebody going to lift weights"... the attractive in game female commentator says "yeah, some of these guys are smaller than me." If he wants to have one, he's got a long future in broadcasting IMO. You can see him during the 3rd quarter of tonight's Jazz game.

I turned on the Jazz game to watch Grayson play. Never saw Grayson but left the game on for most of the 3rd quarter because I was enjoying Karl Malone so much. What a refreshing, genuine guest.

[awhom111]

Playoff games continued with the Heat beating the Pelicans 110-106.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180712/MIANOP#/boxscore

Semi Ojeleye had 21 points and 6 rebounds in 29 minutes while Michael Gbinije did not play as the Celtics beat the Knicks 82-75.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180712/NYKBOS#/boxscore

The Grizzlies beat the Thunder 92-85.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180712/MEMOKC#/boxscore

The Sixers beat the Suns 88-86.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180712/PHIPHX#/boxscore

It took extra basketball for the Bucks to beat the Spurs 83-75.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180712/SASMIL#/boxscore

The Lakers beat the Clippers 82-69 in the battle of Los Angeles.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180712/LACLAL#/boxscore

It was a rest day for Grayson, but the Jazz still beat the Magic 75-70.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180712/UTAORL#/boxscore

Gary had 10 points and 6 rebounds in 23 minutes as the Blazers beat the Hawks 95-69.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180712/ATLPOR#/boxscore

Here is the Consolation Friday schedule (all times ET, games on NBATV also on ESPN3):
Nets vs Pacers, 4pm ESPNU
Knicks vs Pelicans, 4:30pm NBATV
Wizards vs Mavericks, 6pm ESPNU
Suns vs Spurs, 6:30pm NBATV
Timberwolves (Amile) vs Nuggets, 8:00pm ESPNU
Magic vs Thunder, 8:30pm NBATV
Kings (Matt and Harry) vs Warriors, 10:00pm ESPNU
Clippers vs Hawks, 10:30pm NBATV

[DukieInBrasil]

I noticed Grayson and Trevon didn't play in their respective games. Did their teams just decide they'd seen enough and didn't want to risk injury (seems unlikely in TD's case since he hasn't bee signed afaik). Were they being rested due to games on consecutive days? Frank Jackson also didn't play in a recent Pelicans game (DNP-CD), is he injured this summer too? I know Marvin got shut down to prevent a minor injury from getting worse.

On a dif't note: i see that Yante Maten is playing for the Heat this summer. As a UGA grad student, i have been following him since he blew it up his Jr. year. As a TA for the Soils & Hydrology course, which is required for all Forestry, Crop Soil Science and a handful of other majors, i covered a lab one day for a fellow TA. Turns out Yante majored in Wildlife, which is a degree in the Forestry school. Cool that a scholarship athlete decided to follow a degree which requires several classes with labs. We went out to a soil pit that day, and i asked a question about why would we expect soil horizon to be deeper here than the pit we saw the previous week. Everybody mumbled and shifted around, not wanting to answer. Then Yante spoke up, gave a thoughtful, detailed, correct response. I was impressed. I prattled on for a bit and then turned the students loose to do the tasks of the lab that day. After a few minutes, Yante came over and asked a question about soil horizonation and the properties of that horizon affecting vegetation. Again, i was impressed. Not only was he majoring in something atypical for scholarship athletes, but he was engaged in the class, answering questions correctly, asking detailed questions, and appeared to be a thoughtful intelligent young man. Walking up out of the woods i asked him why he chose wildlife as a major, and he said he wanted to manage hunting leases on his family's (or member's?) property. He also said he felt compelled to get a degree, b/c he was the 1st in his family to go to college. I'd see him around the building in the hallway at times, and it's amazing how much taller and ripped he is compared to everyone else. Every time i ever saw him he was engaged in some sort of conversation about school work or class. I am more impressed with him scholastically than most of my non-athlete students. Needless to say, i am pulling for him and hope he has a good career. I hope he makes generational amounts of money, and gets to put that wildlife degree to use some day. Thanks for helping destroy stereotypes about scholarship athletes Yante!!!

[jimsumner]

I noticed Grayson and Trevon didn't play in their respective games. Did their teams just decide they'd seen enough and didn't want to risk injury (seems unlikely in TD's case since he hasn't bee signed afaik). Were they being rested due to games on consecutive days? Frank Jackson also didn't play in a recent Pelicans game (DNP-CD), is he injured this summer too? I know Marvin got shut down to prevent a minor injury from getting worse.

On a dif't note: i see that Yante Maten is playing for the Heat this summer. As a UGA grad student, i have been following him since he blew it up his Jr. year. As a TA for the Soils & Hydrology course, which is required for all Forestry, Crop Soil Science and a handful of other majors, i covered a lab one day for a fellow TA. Turns out Yante majored in Wildlife, which is a degree in the Forestry school. Cool that a scholarship athlete decided to follow a degree which requires several classes with labs. We went out to a soil pit that day, and i asked a question about why would we expect soil horizon to be deeper here than the pit we saw the previous week. Everybody mumbled and shifted around, not wanting to answer. Then Yante spoke up, gave a thoughtful, detailed, correct response. I was impressed. I prattled on for a bit and then turned the students loose to do the tasks of the lab that day. After a few minutes, Yante came over and asked a question about soil horizonation and the properties of that horizon affecting vegetation. Again, i was impressed. Not only was he majoring in something atypical for scholarship athletes, but he was engaged in the class, answering questions correctly, asking detailed questions, and appeared to be a thoughtful intelligent young man. Walking up out of the woods i asked him why he chose wildlife as a major, and he said he wanted to manage hunting leases on his family's (or member's?) property. He also said he felt compelled to get a degree, b/c he was the 1st in his family to go to college. I'd see him around the building in the hallway at times, and it's amazing how much taller and ripped he is compared to everyone else. Every time i ever saw him he was engaged in some sort of conversation about school work or class. I am more impressed with him scholastically than most of my non-athlete students. Needless to say, i am pulling for him and hope he has a good career. I hope he makes generational amounts of money, and gets to put that wildlife degree to use some day. Thanks for helping destroy stereotypes about scholarship athletes Yante!!!

Jackson is out with a foot injury. Will not play the remainder of the summer-league.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2802/frank-jackson

[luburch]

I noticed Grayson and Trevon didn't play in their respective games. Did their teams just decide they'd seen enough and didn't want to risk injury (seems unlikely in TD's case since he hasn't bee signed afaik). Were they being rested due to games on consecutive days? Frank Jackson also didn't play in a recent Pelicans game (DNP-CD), is he injured this summer too? I know Marvin got shut down to prevent a minor injury from getting worse.

Grayson is dealing with a slight leg strain. Might have something to do with it.

[rsvman]

Jackson is out with a foot injury. Will not play the remainder of the summer-league.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2802/frank-jackson

Wow. He can't catch a break.

[Truth&Justise]

I noticed Grayson and Trevon didn't play in their respective games. Did their teams just decide they'd seen enough and didn't want to risk injury (seems unlikely in TD's case since he hasn't bee signed afaik). Were they being rested due to games on consecutive days? Frank Jackson also didn't play in a recent Pelicans game (DNP-CD), is he injured this summer too? I know Marvin got shut down to prevent a minor injury from getting worse.

On a dif't note: i see that Yante Maten is playing for the Heat this summer. As a UGA grad student, i have been following him since he blew it up his Jr. year. As a TA for the Soils & Hydrology course, which is required for all Forestry, Crop Soil Science and a handful of other majors, i covered a lab one day for a fellow TA. Turns out Yante majored in Wildlife, which is a degree in the Forestry school. Cool that a scholarship athlete decided to follow a degree which requires several classes with labs. We went out to a soil pit that day, and i asked a question about why would we expect soil horizon to be deeper here than the pit we saw the previous week. Everybody mumbled and shifted around, not wanting to answer. Then Yante spoke up, gave a thoughtful, detailed, correct response. I was impressed. I prattled on for a bit and then turned the students loose to do the tasks of the lab that day. After a few minutes, Yante came over and asked a question about soil horizonation and the properties of that horizon affecting vegetation. Again, i was impressed. Not only was he majoring in something atypical for scholarship athletes, but he was engaged in the class, answering questions correctly, asking detailed questions, and appeared to be a thoughtful intelligent young man. Walking up out of the woods i asked him why he chose wildlife as a major, and he said he wanted to manage hunting leases on his family's (or member's?) property. He also said he felt compelled to get a degree, b/c he was the 1st in his family to go to college. I'd see him around the building in the hallway at times, and it's amazing how much taller and ripped he is compared to everyone else. Every time i ever saw him he was engaged in some sort of conversation about school work or class. I am more impressed with him scholastically than most of my non-athlete students. Needless to say, i am pulling for him and hope he has a good career. I hope he makes generational amounts of money, and gets to put that wildlife degree to use some day. Thanks for helping destroy stereotypes about scholarship athletes Yante!!!

That's a great story about Yante Maten--sounds like an outstanding young man.

[NSDukeFan]

Wow. He can't catch a break.

That’s too bad Duke’s floors are still affecting him. 😀

[awhom111]

Consolation Friday started with the Pacers beating the Nets 116-79.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180713/BKNIND#/boxscore

Michael Gbinije had a scoreless 10 minutes in the Knicks' 102-83 win over the Pelicans.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180713/NYKNOP#/boxscore

The Mavericks beat the Wizards 96-92.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180713/WASDAL#/boxscore

The Suns beat the Spurs 90-55.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180713/SASPHX#/boxscore

Amile had 5 points and 9 rebounds in 27 minutes and lost part of a tooth as the Timberwolves beat the Nuggets.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180713/MINDEN#/boxscore

The Thunder beat the Magic 87-85.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180713/ORLOKC#/boxscore

Matt had 3 points in 22 minutes as Harry joined the resting crew for the Kings' 69-67 win over the Warriors.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180713/SACGSW#/boxscore

The night ended with the Hawks beating the Clippers 97-81.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180713/ATLLAC#/boxscore

Here is the Round of 16 Saturday schedule (all times ET, games on NBATV also on ESPN3):
(25) Pistons vs (24) Bulls (Wendell), 4pm NBATV
(12) Cavaliers vs (5) Rockets (Trevon), 4:30pm ESPN2
(29) Raptors vs (13) Hornets, 6pm NBATV
(26) Heat vs (10) Celtics, 6:30pm ESPN2
(30) Sixers vs (14) Bucks, 8:30pm ESPN2
(27) Grizzlies vs (22) Jazz (Grayson?), 10:30pm ESPN2

[awhom111]

Wendell ended his 6 points and 16 rebounds in 30 minutes as the Bulls lost to the Pistons 72-66.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180714/DETCHI#/boxscore

Trevon had 4 points in 14 minutes as the Rockets lost to the Cavaliers 92-87 and he will now have choices to make about his future.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180714/CLEHOU#/boxscore

It took overtime for the Raptors to beat the Hornets 87-84.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180714/TORCHA#/boxscore

Semi Ojeleye had 9 points in 26 minutes as the Celtics beat the Heat 74-72.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180714/MIABOS#/boxscore

The worst seed Sixers beat the Bucks 91-89.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180714/PHIMIL#/boxscore

Grayson was rested as the Jazz had their summer ended with a 92-86 loss to the Grizzlies.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180714/MEMUTA#/boxscore

Here is the Quarterfinal Sunday schedule (all times ET)
(25) Pistons vs (1) Lakers, 4pm ESPN
(29) Raptors vs (12) Cavaliers, 6pm ESPN2
(10) Celtics vs (2) Trailblazers, 8pm ESPN2
(30) Sixers vs (27) Grizzlies, 10pm ESPN2

[awhom111]

The top seeded Lakers continued their run with a 101-78 win over the Pistons.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180715/DETLAL#/boxscore

The Cavaliers beat the Raptors 82-68.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180715/TORCLE#/boxscore

Gary had 8 points in 22 minutes while Semi Ojeleye did not play as the Trailblazers beat the Celtics 95-80.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180715/BOSPOR#/boxscore

One of very low seeds was going to move on and it was the Grizzlies beating the Sixers 82-73.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180715/PHIMEM#/boxscore

Here is the Semifinal Monday schedule (times ET, games on ESPN2):
(12) Cavaliers vs (1) Lakers, 8:30pm
(27) Grizzlies vs (2) Trailblazers (Gary), 10:30pm

[niveklaen]

Okay, I apologize to Awhom111 whomever or whatever you may be.

Smart - keep the AI friendly...

[awhom111]

There was extra basketball to start the semifinals as it took two overtimes (still shorter than an overtime in a regular game) before the Lakers beat the Cavaliers 112-109.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180716/CLELAL#/boxscore

Gary had 6 points in 25 minutes as the Blazers beat the Grizzlies 97-92.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180716/MEMPOR#/boxscore

The final will be on ESPN at 10pm ET on Tuesday. In the end, the two undefeated top seeds make it to the final, which is impressive given that teams were sorted on only three games, but I guess both teams had the advantage of getting one bye in the playoffs.

[subzero02]

Sexton appears to be a fiercely competitive individual. Enduring all of Cleveland's losses next year could be challenging. He will have a chance to play a pivotal role for the Cavs as a rookie; based on his choice of Bama out of high school, maybe being a major part in the rotation is more important to him than team wins.

[awhom111]

Gary had 12 points in 23 minutes to help the Blazers win it all by beating the Lakers 91-73.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180717/PORLAL#/boxscore

[UrinalCake]

Gary had 12 points in 23 minutes to help the Blazers win it all by beating the Lakers 91-73.
http://www.nba.com/games/20180717/PORLAL#/boxscore

0-6 from three though. He’s always been a streaky shooter.

[JasonEvans]

Josh Hart was name Summer League MVP. The All-NBA Summer League first team is LA's Hart along with Chicago's Dukie Wendell Carter, New York's Kevin Knox, Cleveland's Collin Sexton and Milwaukee's Christian Wood.

The second team was: Deandre Ayton of Phoenix, Portland's Wade Baldwin, Jaren Jackson Jr. of Memphis, Lakers guard Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, and Atlanta's Trae Young.