Duke men's golf!!

[duketaylor]

Pretty sure they set a new team record over in Raleigh with this:

http://results.golfstat.com/public/leaderboards/gsnav.cfm?pg=teamPlayer&tid=14914

By far, best I've ever seen. Awesome!! Please finish it off!!! Leading up to the ACC Tourney either next week or week after.

GO DEVILS!!!!!

[Tripping William]

Pretty sure they set a new team record over in Raleigh with this:

http://results.golfstat.com/public/leaderboards/gsnav.cfm?pg=teamPlayer&tid=14914

By far, best I've ever seen. Awesome!! Please finish it off!!! Leading up to the ACC Tourney either next week or week after.

GO DEVILS!!!!!

Very cool. ACC Tournament is this coming Friday/Saturday/Sunday at Old North State. We’re going to try to attend, probably on Saturday. Believe Duke is the 6-seed.

[awhom111]

Pretty sure they set a new team record over in Raleigh with this:

http://results.golfstat.com/public/leaderboards/gsnav.cfm?pg=teamPlayer&tid=14914

By far, best I've ever seen. Awesome!! Please finish it off!!! Leading up to the ACC Tourney either next week or week after.

GO DEVILS!!!!!

That was pretty close to a jinx moment. Wake beat our Saturday round by one stroke today, but our round was good enough to win.

[BlueTeuf]

That bears some further explanation. Duke's final round was the third lowest of the tournament, right? Excellent play during clutch time.

[Tripping William]

Good news: Duke is under par as a team (-2).

Bad news: They are 10 shots behind 1st place GaTech.

Ugly news: That’s only good enough for 9th place.

Round 2 tomorrow. Hoping for some upward movement from the Blue Devils.

[Tripping William]

Big Moving Day so far for the Devils. Now in 1st, with a -15 day by the team thus far.

[chrishoke]

Duke cards the low score of the day and rises to a tie for fourth.

[Tripping William]

The Devils never really caught fire and ended up 5th. Wake did catch fire and moved all the wy up to 3rd. But GaTech staved off the Deacs and 2nd-place Clemson. The Walsh kid from UVa (built like Patrick Reed) was low medalist.

[sagegrouse]

The first round of the 54-hole NCAA regional tournament is complete, and the Devils are in tenth place at -3. We have some ground to make up, as only the top six teams go to the NCAA championships in Stillwater, OK. Duke is three shots out of sixth place. Texas leads all teams at -13. Georgia Tech and tournament host, NC State, are second and third.

Chandler Eaton is Duke's best at -2 (T-15). Duke's #1 player, Alex Smalley, faltered late in the round to drop to even par.

Tournament scoring can be followed here (http://results.golfstat.com/public/leaderboards/gsnav.cfm?pg=team&tid=15137&_ga=2.160328765.1062825057.1526305730-362792064.1509125209).

Go Duke!

[MCFinARL]

The first round of the 54-hole NCAA regional tournament is complete, and the Devils are in tenth place at -3. We have some ground to make up, as only the top six teams go to the NCAA championships in Stillwater, OK. Duke is three shots out of sixth place. Texas leads all teams at -13. Georgia Tech and tournament host, NC State, are second and third.

Chandler Eaton is Duke's best at -2 (T-15). Duke's #1 player, Alex Smalley, faltered late in the round to drop to even par.

Tournament scoring can be followed here (http://results.golfstat.com/public/leaderboards/gsnav.cfm?pg=team&tid=15137&_ga=2.160328765.1062825057.1526305730-362792064.1509125209).

Go Duke!

Unfortunately, the men have more regionals than the women, and only the top five teams from each regional go instead of the top six. Duke is currently five shots out of fifth place.

[chrishoke]

I think the title of this thread needs to be changed.

[MCFinARL]

I think the title of this thread needs to be changed.

Or at least the punctuation marks.

[sagegrouse]

Unfortunately, the men have more regionals than the women, and only the top five teams from each regional go instead of the top six. Duke is currently five shots out of fifth place.

Thanks for the correction.

[MCFinARL]

Or at least the punctuation marks.

Actually, after today's performance, I have changed my mind about the punctuation marks--they have been re-earned. After day 2, Duke now sits at -15, tied for 3rd place after a -12 round on the day. If they can keep it together tomorrow, they will advance.

[sagegrouse]

Actually, after today's performance, I have changed my mind about the punctuation marks--they have been re-earned. After day 2, Duke now sits at -15, tied for 3rd place after a -12 round on the day. If they can keep it together tomorrow, they will advance.

Jake ** freaking ** Shuman!!! Seven birdies and no bogies for -7 and a score of 64. Evan Katz was -3 and the other three Duke players were -1. Consistent performance throughout the lineup.

[Highlander]

Jake ** freaking ** Shuman!!! Seven birdies and no bogies for -7 and a score of 64. Evan Katz was -3 and the other three Duke players were -1. Consistent performance throughout the lineup.

Based on this, looks like we finished at -22 and advanced to Stillwater. Do I have that right?

http://results.golfstat.com/public/leaderboards/gsnav.cfm?pg=team&tid=15137&_ga=2.160328765.1062825057.1526305730-362792064.1509125209

[chrishoke]

Based on this, looks like we finished at -22 and advanced to Stillwater. Do I have that right?

http://results.golfstat.com/public/leaderboards/gsnav.cfm?pg=team&tid=15137&_ga=2.160328765.1062825057.1526305730-362792064.1509125209

Yes, we came in 2nd - the top 5 advance to the championships.

[burnspbesq]

Duke is off to a flying start in the third round of the NCAA championship, and has taken over the lead at -12.

[Bluedog]

Duke is off to a flying start in the third round of the NCAA championship, and has taken over the lead at -12.

And UNC is currently tied for last place! Beautiful. Hope it continues. Let's go Duke!

[chrishoke]

Duke ends round 3 with a 3 stroke lead, 10 under for the tournament, despite a double bogey on the final hole.

[duketaylor]

Live scoring: http://results.golfstat.com/public/leaderboards/gsnav.cfm?pg=teamPlayer&tid=15139

Top 8 after tomorrow go to match play for national title. How many has Duke won in men's golf? U might ask. A big zero. Would love to see one!!!
This is the best chance to-date. Let's will them on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 9F9F9F9F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AGDukesky]

Amazing effort by the team to demolish the course record. Hope they do better tomorrow than Alabama did after setting the previous record yesterday...

[burnspbesq]

Duke’s cushion over ninth place is 20 strokes. They don’t have to play exceptional golf tomorrow in order to make it to match play, but another under-par performance would help with seeding.

The Cheaters aren’t quite dead yet. They are one stroke off the cut line, and three teams that are close are still on the course.

[burnspbesq]

Duke’s cushion over ninth place is 20 strokes. They don’t have to play exceptional golf tomorrow in order to make it to match play, but another under-par performance would help with seeding.

The Cheaters aren’t quite dead yet. They are one stroke off the cut line, and three teams that are close are still on the course.

Dadgumit! Every team that had to blow up in order for the Cheaters to climb up to 15th, and play tomorrow, blew up. They are ten strokes out of eighth, but stranger things have been known to happen.

[chrishoke]

After 6-9 holes of the final medal play round, Duke is the only team under par and leads by 7 strokes. The heels are in last and 16 strokes from the 8h and final spot.

[grossbus]

Not showing Duke at all. Should be better tomorrow.

[MCFinARL]

Not showing Duke at all. Should be better tomorrow.

Not only that, but the commentators had the temerity to say it was a "good thing" that Duke was in first place because the first place team going into match play doesn't usually win. So maybe Ok State is choosing strategically not to pass Duke and move into first place.

Hope someone on the Duke staff has that as bulletin board fodder.

[grossbus]

Well, we are not in first place now. A pretty ugly day.

[Tripping William]

Well, we are not in first place now. A pretty ugly day.

Nor are we DFL (as a silver lining).

[MCFinARL]

Well, we are not in first place now. A pretty ugly day.

Yes, but--a team ranked 28th is likely to enter match play as the second seed. The other teams currently in position to get to match play (with some movement definitely still possible in the bottom spots) are ranked 1, 2, 3, 6, 9, 13, 15, with the team currently in 9th being #4 ranked Vandy.

So even if Duke loses in match play tomorrow and this is it, making the top eight is a pretty impressive accomplishment. This is not a result that was expected.

[duketaylor]

Yes, but--a team ranked 28th is likely to enter match play as the second seed. The other teams currently in position to get to match play (with some movement definitely still possible in the bottom spots) are ranked 1, 2, 3, 6, 9, 13, 15, with the team currently in 9th being #4 ranked Vandy.

So even if Duke loses in match play tomorrow and this is it, making the top eight is a pretty impressive accomplishment. This is not a result that was expected.
Perhaps not expected, but not terribly surprising either, given their recent success. Second at regionals. back-to-back wins fairly recently. Thus, playing with confidence. Duke looks to finish 2nd and seeded same. Excellent, opposite from host and #1 OSU. I think Vandy gets in and Bama doesn't.

[MCFinARL]

Perhaps not expected, but not terribly surprising either, given their recent success. Second at regionals. back-to-back wins fairly recently. Thus, playing with confidence. Duke looks to finish 2nd and seeded same. Excellent, opposite from host and #1 OSU. I think Vandy gets in and Bama doesn't.

That might have been nice (generally like Vandy better than Bama) but it looks like Alabama is finishing well to stay in the top 8.

[AtlDuke72]

Not only that, but the commentators had the temerity to say it was a "good thing" that Duke was in first place because the first place team going into match play doesn't usually win. So maybe Ok State is choosing strategically not to pass Duke and move into first place.

Hope someone on the Duke staff has that as bulletin board fodder.

Why not just give the trophy to OK State now. How in the world does a top rated team get to play the Championship on its home course ????????

[sagegrouse]

Why not just give the trophy to OK State now. How in the world does a top rated team get to play the Championship on its home course ????????

Ask Oregon. Both the men and the women won on its home course in Eugene two years ago.

Duke finished second, based on its stunningly good play Friday through Sunday. Today the Devils recorded 306 in the final round, the worst of any team. Scores ranged from 75 to 79.

But tomorrow is another day. Duke will face off against either Alabama or Texas, depending how their tie is resolved.

[duketaylor]

Ask Oregon. Both the men and the women won on its home course in Eugene two years ago.

Duke finished second, based on its stunningly good play Friday through Sunday. Today the Devils recorded 306 in the final round, the worst of any team. Scores ranged from 75 to 79.

But tomorrow is another day. Duke will face off against either Alabama or Texas, depending how their tie is resolved.

Duke plays Texas. If advancing plays winner of Bama and A&M.

[Rich]

Well, we are not in first place now. A pretty ugly day.

We were in first place and in the mix most of the day. +7 on the final three holes (with three double bogeys) did us in.

[Rich]

Ask Oregon. Both the men and the women won on its home course in Eugene two years ago.

Duke finished second, based on its stunningly good play Friday through Sunday. Today the Devils recorded 306 in the final round, the worst of any team. Scores ranged from 75 to 79.

But tomorrow is another day. Duke will face off against either Alabama or Texas, depending how their tie is resolved.

And let's remember that Arizona as the #8 seed won the women's tournament. Anything can happen once you reach match play, but it seems anything from here on for this team is gravy.

[burnspbesq]

And let's remember that Arizona as the #8 seed won the women's tournament. Anything can happen once you reach match play, but it seems anything from here on for this team is gravy.

It’s very early, but Duke has a 3-2 lead. Jake won his first hole, and the other four matches are all square.

[duketaylor]

It’s very early, but Duke has a 3-2 lead. Jake won his first hole, and the other four matches are all square.

Halfway thru Duke leads 3 matches and trails 2. All 5 matches have at least 2 hole leads.

GO DUKE!!!

[Bluedog]

Is it common to have to potentially play 7 rounds of golf in such a short timespan in any other tournament during the year? Or is that unique to the NCAA tournament? Seems like a LOT of golf to me. Puts an emphasis more on endurance and muscle recovery than perhaps other events (if it's truly that rare). Interesting also that they'd choose a different format just for the NCAA tournament, but I get that they did it to increase drama/make it more exciting for viewers with matchplay.

[rsvman]

Is it common to have to potentially play 7 rounds of golf in such a short timespan in any other tournament during the year? Or is that unique to the NCAA tournament? Seems like a LOT of golf to me. Puts an emphasis more on endurance and muscle recovery than perhaps other events (if it's truly that rare). Interesting also that they'd choose a different format just for the NCAA tournament, but I get that they did it to increase drama/make it more exciting for viewers with matchplay.

I'm pretty sure it's unique to the tournament, and I agree with you that fatigue could really play a role.

[MCFinARL]

Halfway thru Duke leads 3 matches and trails 2. All 5 matches have at least 2 hole leads.

GO DUKE!!!

Duke hanging in there. Two matches are over--Smalley won 5 and 4, Eaton lost 4 and 3. Pendaries is up three through 13 and Shuman is up 2 through 12. Katz is down 3 through 14, so he would have to pull a rabbit out of the hat to win or even square it. But if Pendaries and Shuman can hold on, Duke will advance.

[Tripping William]

Duke hanging in there. Two matches are over--Smalley won 5 and 4, Eaton lost 4 and 3. Pendaries is up three through 13 and Shuman is up 2 through 12. Katz is down 3 through 14, so he would have to pull a rabbit out of the hat to win or even square it. But if Pendaries and Shuman can hold on, Duke will advance.

Can we perhaps merge this (temporarily) to the I Don't Want to Jinx It thread? :o

[Bluedog]

Duke hanging in there. Two matches are over--Smalley won 5 and 4, Eaton lost 4 and 3. Pendaries is up three through 13 and Shuman is up 2 through 12. Katz is down 3 through 14, so he would have to pull a rabbit out of the hat to win or even square it. But if Pendaries and Shuman can hold on, Duke will advance.

Looks like it's going to come down to Shuman. Katz down 3 thru 15 and Pendaries up 4 thru 14, which would even the score at two apiece. Shuman is up 1 thru 13 now.

[nmduke2001]

Looks like it's going to come down to Shuman. Katz down 3 thru 15 and Pendaries up 4 thru 14, which would even the score at two apiece. Shuman is up 1 thru 13 now.

I hope Shuman can hold on. Ghim is the #1 ranked amateur in the world.

[Bluedog]

I hope Shuman can hold on. Ghim is the #1 ranked amateur in the world.

Wow, did not realize that. How do the pairings get decided? Looks like Duke put its #5 player against Texas' #1, thinking they were basically going to concede that match and compete on the others (which seems like a good strategy honestly). Ghim finished stroke play in third place at -6 (one off the leader) while Shuman was T65 at +14, so this would clearly be a major upset. The rest of Duke's contingent was T15, T32, T32, 36 after stroke play.

[nmduke2001]

Wow, did not realize that. How do the pairings get decided? Looks like Duke put its #5 player against Texas' #1, thinking they were basically going to concede that match and compete on the others (which seems like a good strategy honestly). Ghim finished stroke play in third place at -6 (one off the leader) while Shuman was T65 at +14, so this would clearly be a major upset. The rest of Duke's contingent was T15, T32, T32, 36 after stroke play.

Scottie Scheffler is #29. So if we win, we would have beaten #1 and #29 in the world to do it.

http://www.wagr.com/en/Mens-Ranking.aspx?page=1&pagesize=50

[chrishoke]

All square with 2 to go. Slippingt away.

[grossbus]

Once up four, match is now all square with 2 to go. Shuman was very shaky on the last whole. Ghin in the fairway on 17. Shuman again right into the deep rough.

[grossbus]

Ghin rinses his second shot!

[Hingeknocker]

I tuned in just in time to Ghim put it in the drink!

Time to take advantage...

[grossbus]

All square going to 18. Need a good drive.

[Hingeknocker]

Well, Ghim had an absolutely brilliant shot after the penalty to get a gimme bogey. Shuman ended up with a pretty tricky putt for his bogey, and he made it!

On to 18. This is tense.

[grossbus]

Ghin in fairway bunker. Shuman on right side of fairway. Both probably layups.

[Hingeknocker]

Ghim's drive found a fairway bunker. Shuman is on the fairway, but on the wrong side of the dogleg.

Still need to come up with some big shots.

[grossbus]

Jake puts second pin high. Great shot.

[Hingeknocker]

Beautiful second shot by Shuman! In the middle of the green, will have an eagle putt.

Ghim laid up out of the bunker, and still has a third shot from the fairway upcoming.

[Hingeknocker]

Ghim's approach ends up on the front fringe. HUGE chance to win here.

[grossbus]

Two putts to win match.

[MCFinARL]

Awesome! Shuman eagles on 18 to win the match!

[grossbus]

Drains the eagle!

[Hingeknocker]

Only needed one putt!

What a performance over the last two holes from Shuman.

[Tripping William]

Only needed one putt!

What a performance over the last two holes from Shuman.

Sweet! Looks like Alabama defeated Texas Tech 3-2, so the Devils get the Tide next.

[nmduke2001]

I'm pretty sure it's unique to the tournament, and I agree with you that fatigue could really play a role.

If you follow the women's thread you'll see a lot of discussion around push carts. Our women do not use them. Most other teams do. There is some thought that Duke is too fatigued in the later days to compete at their best because they are carrying for so many holes.

I did notice some of men's teams using the push carts as well, but did not see the Duke players using them (I really only saw the end of the Shuman match and neither he nor Ghim were using one).

[grossbus]

The Augusta player who won the individual championship was using one.

I am absolutely convinced the women were disadvantaged when the tourney was played in central Florida a couple of years ago. Heat and humidity a bad combo for 36 holes.

Shuman’s second shot on 18 was a beauty. Went back to the bag and changed to a hybrid. Nailed it.

[75Crazie]

It sure seems like our Duke players are directed to not use push carts. I would be interested in hearing the rationale for that.

[sagegrouse]

It sure seems like our Duke players are directed to not use push carts. I would be interested in hearing the rationale for that.

I always heard that toting a bag expended less energy than dragging a cart.

[Tripping William]

8378

[SoCalDukeFan]

If you follow the women's thread you'll see a lot of discussion around push carts. Our women do not use them. Most other teams do. There is some thought that Duke is too fatigued in the later days to compete at their best because they are carrying for so many holes.

I did notice some of men's teams using the push carts as well, but did not see the Duke players using them (I really only saw the end of the Shuman match and neither he nor Ghim were using one).

I can not imagine any coach requiring a play to use a cart or to carry.

The Duke women decide if they want to use a cart or carry. Lisa and Leona Maguire and Jaravee Boonchant seem to prefer to carry. Ana Belac has done both but carried in the NCAAs. Virginia Elena Carta generally uses a cart.

When I was younger I preferred to carry. Now prefer the cart. Planning on getting an electric cart. Any recommendations?

I will say there is a familiarity aspect to it. If you have always carried then dealing with a cart on hilly holes requires a mental change that may not be good. Thinking about the cart rather than the golf. After a few rounds you do get used to it. Probably the same thing with going to electric, one reason why I have not as yet.

SoCal

[nmduke2001]

Struggling early. Down in 4 matches and up in 1. Again, very early.

[chrishoke]

Duke is now up 1 in 3 matches, down 3 in one, and even in one.

[rasputin]

Duke is now up 1 in 3 matches, down 3 in one, and even in one.

Now Duke is 1 up in one match, 1 down in another, 5 down (ouch) in another, and all square in two matches. This has been very volatile.

[chrishoke]

Shuman, this morning's hero, is now dow 6 after 8 holes. That eagle putt on the 18th sure took a lot out of him.

[nmduke2001]

Shuman, this morning's hero, is now dow 6 after 8 holes. That eagle putt on the 18th sure took a lot out of him.

Shuman is not playing terrible. His opponent is rolling.

[rsvman]

I always heard that toting a bag expended less energy than dragging a cart.

You may have heard this, but it is definitely not true. Not even close.

And these days you don't drag a cart, you push it. It goes in front of the player. And they are so much smoother than the old carts people used to drag.

[nmduke2001]

Not looking good at all. Duke down by 2 or more in 4 of the 5 matches. The 5th match is tied. It will take a minor miracle at this point to come back.

[Pghdukie]

Thanks to all for the updates.

[SoCalDukeFan]

2nd in the stroke portion, took down Texas and the number 1 ranked player. Duke Men should hold their heads high.
Earned a spot in the East Lake Cup for next year as well.

SoCal

[duketaylor]

Awesome showing and easily the best team performance in Duke men's golf history at the nationals (as far as I can remember). Duke's only had a smattering of NCAA visits. None when I played and just a few for teams after me up until the last few years.

Media guide: http://www.goduke.com/fls/4200/media-guides/mgolf/2015-16/2015-16_Duke_MGolf_Media_Guide.pdf

Looking at this, Duke has only had a showing this impressive in 2011 when they lost in the semi-finals as well. So Duke is trending in a very positive direction. Very happy. Way to go!!

Go DUKE!!!

[English]

Awesome showing and easily the best team performance in Duke men's golf history at the nationals (as far as I can remember). Duke's only had a smattering of NCAA visits. None when I played and just a few for teams after me up until the last few years.

Media guide: http://www.goduke.com/fls/4200/media-guides/mgolf/2015-16/2015-16_Duke_MGolf_Media_Guide.pdf

Looking at this, Duke has only had a showing this impressive in 2011 when they lost in the semi-finals as well. So Duke is trending in a very positive direction. Very happy. Way to go!!

Go DUKE!!!

Out of curiosity, does Duke give full scholarships for the golf team?

[Bluedog]

Out of curiosity, does Duke give full scholarships for the golf team?

Duke gives out the equivalent of 4.5 full scholarships to the team. I don't know how they currently have it allotted for the roster of 11, but I assume that the majority have partial scholarships. Women's golf gives out the equivalent of 6 full scholarships. Those are the NCAA maximums -- golf is considered an "equivalency sport" so coaches can divide up the scholarships as they see fit.

[CameronBornAndBred]

The PGA guys are calling the college push cart boys a buncha wimps.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/pga-tour-pros-are-all-over-college-golfers-for-using-push-carts-at-the-ncaa-championship/ar-AAy2pVK?li=BBnb7Kz

[Bluedog]

The PGA guys are calling the college push cart boys a buncha wimps.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/pga-tour-pros-are-all-over-college-golfers-for-using-push-carts-at-the-ncaa-championship/ar-AAy2pVK?li=BBnb7Kz

That's what I had thought was a major rationale for NOT using them -- peer pressure and afraid of being labeled "soft." But it is funny considering the PGA guys don't have to carry their own clubs either -- they have caddies. Isn't that even wimpier? :p

I think do whatever works to give you a competitive advantage...

[duketaylor]

Not a fan of the pull carts, either. Have toted my own bag 36 several times. Used to be rare to see at the club, then some of the older women started using them, now they're pretty common. Still not a fan.

[duke79]

The PGA guys are calling the college push cart boys a buncha wimps.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/pga-tour-pros-are-all-over-college-golfers-for-using-push-carts-at-the-ncaa-championship/ar-AAy2pVK?li=BBnb7Kz


That's what I had thought was a major rationale for NOT using them -- peer pressure and afraid of being labeled "soft." But it is funny considering the PGA guys don't have to carry their own clubs either -- they have caddies. Isn't that even wimpier? :p

I think do whatever works to give you a competitive advantage...


Not a fan of the pull carts, either. Have toted my own bag 36 several times. Used to be rare to see at the club, then some of the older women started using them, now they're pretty common. Still not a fan.


Yea, I was never a fan of using a pull cart.......I always figured it was sort of "wimpy" and only for the old folks, but now that I'm past 60 and I have a heavy bag with a lot of stuff in the bag (yea, I need to get a so-called "walking bag"), I've had to resort to using a pull cart when I walk a course (and I strongly prefer walking over riding in a cart!).

On a somewhat related topic, I recently played a local course where they had "golf boards" available to rent.....it's like a motorized, over-sized skateboard with an electric four-wheel drive system, handle bars to hold on to and two speeds with a switch on the handle bars to speed up or slow down. You can either stand facing forward on the board or you can stand sideways (like a skateboard). You turn the board by leaning in one direction or the other (also like a skateboard). You can't make tight turns on it but it's fairly maneuverable and, at most courses, is allowed to go anywhere (other than on the greens). It's not as harmful to the course as an full-sized golf cart. It's sort of a cool way to play golf, if you don't want to walk. I strongly prefer it over a golf cart because you can play your own ball, go any where, and it's just plain fun to use!

See video below:

http://www.golfboard.com/golfboardtv/

Has anyone else used one of these?

[House G]

This was mentioned in another thread but I thought I would post here also. I don’t follow fall golf much but our men’s team, as many of you know, is one of the better teams in the country. Although the consolation match, beating Ok State (#1) is a nice accomplishment.
http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211778538&DB_OEM_ID=4200